[01:44] <laguna> do you have to type sudo gufw everytime you boot up to get behind a firewall or is there a way to automate it
[02:09] <jhutchins> laguna: Once you set it up it should come up with networking (and shut down with it).
[02:09] <jhutchins> !gufw
[02:16] <laguna> ubottu thanks for the reference pages i will try to set up automatic without having to use gufw
[02:26] <jhutchins> laguna: gufw should do it, but it's really good to get at that low level table stuff and know that you're in control.
[02:26] <jhutchins> laguna: PS: Ubottu's our bot.
[02:27] <anaximander> How can I allow non-root users to add new WiFi networks in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS?
[02:27] <laguna> hutchins ok thanks
[02:28] <jhutchins> anaximander: Could you explain the conditions that make this necessary?
[02:29] <jhutchins> anaximander: sudo allows users to execute specified commands with root privilege, but it's text/console oriented.
[02:31] <anaximander> jhutchins: Sorry, I meant without sudo or root access. The issue is I'm trying to configure a laptop for my son who's 10. I'd like for him not to have sudo access yet, but he'll need to be able to connect to the WiFi network at school without sudo/root access
[02:31] <anaximander> I can find instructions for older versions of Ubuntu on how to adjust the network manager or polkit settings to allow this, but I'm having trouble finding instructions for 22.04...
[02:32] <jhutchins> anaximander: sudo doesn't necessarily mean full root access - like I said, it can be done on a per-command basis.
[02:33] <jhutchins> anaximander: If you could get the ssid and credentials for the school network, you could make it an option in network manager that an ordinary user could enadble.
[02:33] <oerheks> once connected and stored in keyring, no need for root access anymore.
[02:33] <kushalkumaran> If I recall correctly, you don't need root access to connect to wifi if you're logged in to a graphical session. You only need root if you want to store the wifi connection for all users
[02:33] <oerheks> ' available for all users' option in settings.
[02:33] <anaximander> jhutchins: Yes, but then I either need to give my son sudo privileges - which I'd like to avoid - or give him my password - which I'd also like to avoid. There must be a way to allow a user without sudo privileges to connect to a new wifi network...
[02:34] <anaximander> KushalKumaran[m]: It does prompt for a sudo password when you try to connect, though maybe I could test to see what happens if you just decline...
[02:34] <oerheks> anaximander, then you need to park your car in front of the school, use sudo and grant access.
[02:34] <oerheks> just once.
[02:35] <jhutchins> Another option is to give your son root access, audit his usage, and develop trust and responsibility.
[02:37] <anaximander> oerheks: That is one hack, but there has to be a more elegant solution... I'd also have to do that for my in-laws, my parents', my sister's place, etc. Like, doable as a regular workaround, but surely there's a way to edit the setting...
[02:38] <jhutchins> anaximander: I still think restricted sudo privileges are probably what you have in mind.
[02:38] <anaximander> jhutchins: Oh, maybe - so that it grants narrow privileges...
[02:38] <jhutchins> anaximander: Editing the settings is exactly the kind of thing that takes root privileges.
[02:39] <jhutchins> anaximander: Exactly.  You can enable a single command with specific arguments, with or without the user's password.
[02:39] <anaximander> KushalKumaran[m]: Yeah, when I try to connect to a wifi network as a user without sudo privileges, it says "System policy settings prevent the modification of network settings for all users"
[02:40] <jhutchins> Mrmph.  Sure would be nice if something said WHERE those policies are, since _you_ didn't set them.
[02:40] <anaximander> The instructions I've found for Ubuntu from ~2012 to 2018 involve modifying policy kit or network manager settings to allow users to add their own wifi networks though, seems a lot simpler...
[02:41] <jhutchins> anaximander: Yeah, that sounds likely.  GUI networking is not my thing, I'll let someone who knows it better take this on.
[02:41] <jhutchins> anaximander: You'll be interested in the subtler uses of sudo though.
[02:42] <anaximander> jhutchins: Thanks for your help, and I'd totally forgotten about sublter uses of sudo - I have done that once on a server before, but years back. Thanks for the reminder!
[02:48] <anaximander1> Aha, figured it out with some googlefu - modifiying this polkit file for NetworkManager worked! https://code.luasoftware.com/tutorials/linux/ubuntu-prompt-system-policy-prevents-modification-of-network-settings-for-all-users/  Thanks all
[03:06] <Guest5843> I downloaded a raspberry pi .img file, and I would like to shrink one of the partitions in this file.  I run 'tune2fs -l /dev/loop0p2' and noticed that there many Reserved blocks on it.  I decreased number of reserved blocks, but still cannot shrink that filesystem.  How do I approach debugging this problem?
[03:14] <guiverc> Guest5843, the easiest way is to re-create the img file (https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-image-legacy); the image file is intended to be RO/unchanged
[04:13] <asan> I was looking at kernel headers on my ubuntu 18.04(5.4.0 kernel) P. In a syscall I was looking which should have some flags supported on 4.2 and above according to man pages. I couldnt find the same flag in my kernel headers.
[04:46] <alkisg> Palemoon + adobeflash-plugin worked fine in 20.04 for old edu apps, fails in 22.04, but works in 22.04 either on VMs or when nomodeset is defined on real boxes.
[04:46] <alkisg> What should I test as a workaround, an older kernel or an older xorg?
[05:40] <bf> hello
[05:44] <arraybolt3> bf: Hi! Anything we can help you with?
[05:47] <bf> @arraybolt3, Hi, just testing IRC. I haven't used this in years and did not know it is still popular.
[05:47] <arraybolt3> bf: Quite popular, actually. This particular channel is for live chat support if you need help with your Ubuntu system.
[05:48] <arraybolt3> There's also channels for general chat, like #ubuntu-offtopic.
[05:48] <EriC^^> good morning all
[05:48] <arraybolt3> (And there's plenty of other IRC networks out there - Libera.Chat is mostly open-source software stuff.)
[05:49] <arraybolt3> EriC^^: o/
[05:49] <EriC^^> arraybolt3: o/
[05:49] <bf> @arraybolt3, Ok, thank you. I will check that out. I thought you would need to register a nickname and a password to connect to a channel, but it seems to just work without that here.
[05:49] <arraybolt3> bf: Some channels will require you to register first, but a lot of them don't.
[05:50] <arraybolt3> bf: If you'd like, I can find the registration instructions so that you can get into all of the channels (except private ones, obviously).
[05:55] <bf> @arraybolt3, Thanks. But I have to leave soon so I will check that out later.
[05:55] <arraybolt3> bf: https://libera.chat/guides/registration for whenever you feel like it or find the need to use it. Thanks for stopping by!
[05:57] <bf> @arraybolt3, Thank you. I look into it later. Bye!
[09:08] <Ali_A> I have a dependency problem I can not install clang
[09:08] <Ali_A> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:08] <Ali_A>  clang : Depends: clang-16 (>= 16~) but it is not going to be installed
[09:08] <Ali_A> I also tried adding the respective reporsitries here https://apt.llvm.org/
[09:10] <Ali_A> I am running 18.04 and I added bionic repos but still same issue, tried the script and still same issue
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: did you add external ppa's of any kind to your system?
[09:10] <Ali_A> yes,
[09:11] <Ali_A> The ones from https://apt.llvm.org/
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: unmet dependencys often arise when external ppa's conflict with the way apt does things
[09:11] <Ali_A> I have not definitely add anything before I got that error
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: you could share a pastebin apt apt's full output + your sources.list so volunteers can take a look for you
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> *with
[09:15] <Ali_A> lotuspsychje
[09:15] <Ali_A> do you mind how can I share the full output
[09:15] <Ali_A> like what exactly you want?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:18] <Ali_A> I am running through ssh so give me sometime it is hard to copy things
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: if you on cli, you can try pastebinit or termbin
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit
[09:20] <Ali_A> https://pastebin.com/f3V45WY3
[09:21] <Ali_A> IDK if this is useful but I am running ubuntu through ec2
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: ok tnx, now pastebin the output apt gives you after installing clang?
[09:22] <Ali_A> ~$ sudo apt install clang
[09:22] <Ali_A> Reading package lists... Done
[09:22] <Ali_A> Building dependency tree
[09:22] <Ali_A> Reading state information... Done
[09:22] <Ali_A> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[09:22] <Ali_A> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> in a pastebin plz Ali_A
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: ok share again in your paste now
[09:25] <Ali_A> https://pastebin.com/ypLENXYS
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> Ali_A: what gives sudo apt autoremove
[09:26] <Ali_A> give me a sec + btw, I tried older version of clang so it is not about the latest clang version
[09:26] <Ali_A> auto remove says nothing
[09:27] <taikeshii> lingopad
[09:27] <Ali_A> I mean like 0 installed 0 upgraded 0 remove
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> no sure then why clang does that then
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> maybe someone else might have an idea to try Ali_A
[09:27] <Ali_A> do I need a specific component because I am running a VM
[09:27] <Ali_A> aws VM
[10:23] <dreamer> so, I just did a do-release-upgrade to 22.04 (from 20.04) and the behavior of the tty is super weird and annoying. it keeps automatically switching from tty1 to tty7 - is there a way to disable this?
[10:31] <oxfuxxx> dreamer are you running xorg/wayland session or graphic login manager? try to terminate/kill the graphic sessions if any and tell us if it keeps switching tty.
[10:32] <Ali_A> so, my problem was kinda solved, there was a commented line on llvm I didn't do and now I installed it
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> !yay Ali_A
[10:32] <Ali_A> the problem is I installed an older version of clang and I don't know how to remove it, when I try to remove clang it selects clang 16 but I am sure clang 6 is installed
[10:58] <imi> hi is there any screen flags to make screen attach to a (first one, random doesn't matter) detached session?
[11:01] <dreamer> oxfuxxx: there should be lightdm, but it never starts. I need to install the nvidia driver first which is not enabled yet
[11:01] <dreamer> it seems that killing lightdm did the trick (even though it never started in the first place. probably was stuck in some restart loop I guess ..)
[11:07] <dreamer> so `ubuntu-drivers devices` command doesn't return anything. what am I missing?
[11:07] <joeyaa> hello
[11:08] <dreamer> these drivers should be in multiverse no?
[11:08] <joeyaa> missed it, which driver di you need ?
[11:11] <dreamer> whatever is the latest available for gtx1080
[11:11] <dreamer> I see the latest official is `515.65.01`
[11:11] <dreamer> but I doubt this is in ubuntu
[11:11] <dreamer> I can't find any atm
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | dreamer
[11:12] <joeyaa> have you tried the graphical installer ? had no issue installing a recent nvidia driver
[11:12] <dreamer> why would I use a graphical installer?
[11:12] <dreamer> I don't even have xorg running atm ..
[11:13] <dreamer> lotuspsychje: as said `ubuntu-drivers` doesn't install anything
[11:13] <dreamer> I don't see any `nvidia-driver*` package in apt
[11:13] <mncheck> on focal in Files places Devices I get "not authorized" when clicking the label/IdLabel corresponding to /dev/sda2. sda2 is "660" and group "disk", running "groups" include "disk", rebooted multiple times since user was added to supplementary group "disk". Running udiskctl mount -b /dev/sda2 mounts it successfully. How to collect information why Files responds "not authorized"?
[11:14] <dreamer> so I'm wondering is the do-release-upgrade disabled some extra repos that contain the driver?
[11:14] <dreamer> (I can't find which, but possibly that's the issue?)
[11:16] <ravage> !info nvidia-driver-515
[11:18] <dreamer> again: this package does not exist on my system
[11:18] <dreamer> I am on amd64
[11:18] <ravage> then you do not have the restricted componoent enabled
[11:18] <dreamer> which repo does this package reside in?
[11:19] <dreamer> I have no idea what "restricted component" is. I don't use ubuntu regularly. usually am on debian and this is unusual :)
[11:19] <ogra> well, in debian you have main, non-free etc
[11:19] <ravage> ^^
[11:19] <ogra> restricted is the supported bit of "non-free" in ubuntu
[11:19] <dreamer> ok, so I need `main universe multiverse restricted` ?
[11:19] <ogra> (the unsupported portion is called "multiverse")
[11:19] <ogra> right
[11:20] <ogra> that should always be there by default
[11:20] <dreamer> well it is not :)
[11:20] <ravage> maybe not on a server install. and as you have no GUI that may be the install you did
[11:21] <dreamer> I have no GUI because the driver is broken
[11:21] <dreamer> but I did originally start this system (~4 years ago?) as a server install because it has the least cruft
[11:21] <ravage> a default focal install usually has retricted enabled and an upgrade does not disable it
[11:21] <dreamer> ok, fingers crossed that `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` does the trick :)
[11:21] <ravage> so no idea what happened there
[11:22] <dreamer> yeah no idea, I didn't modify these files, the release upgrade did :)
[11:25] <dreamer> hmm, lightdm still isn't starting
[11:25] <dreamer> and KMS is broken now
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> dreamer: sudo lshw -C video, did driver pickup?
[11:26] <ogra> restricted holds network card drivers, so it is also always ebaled on server installs
[11:26] <dreamer> lotuspsychje: hmm, how do I know if it's using the driver?
[11:26] <ogra> (and possibly also controller drivers for some weird disk controllers)
[11:26] <dreamer> I mean I see the card there
[11:26] <dreamer> nvidia-smi works
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> dreamer: at bottom: driver=....
[11:27] <dreamer> ah: `configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0`
[11:27] <ogra> lspci -k works too ...
[11:27] <dreamer> so, driver is running. but kms wasn't done and lightdm doesn't start
[11:28] <dreamer> restarting lightdm flickrs the screens a bit. then just see a blinking cursor. will check the logs I guess ..
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> wich flavour of ubuntu are you on dreamer
[11:28] <joeyaa> sudo systemctl get-default
[11:28] <joeyaa> what does this give ?
[11:28] <joeyaa> maybe you are on text only mode
[11:28] <dreamer> yeah lightdm just fails to start
[11:28] <dreamer> `graphical.target`
[11:29] <dreamer> lotuspsychje: iirc ubuntu server install. and then added xorg/fluxbox/etc. manually
[11:29] <dreamer> this was years ago. went from 18.04 -> 20.04 and now -> 22.04
[11:29] <dreamer> `xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080
[11:30] <dreamer> that's weird
[11:31] <dreamer> ok this is probably the lightdm userscript I had that set displays. lets disable that
[11:32] <oerheks> fluxbox .. pretty old thing. 1.5.3 released in 2013
[11:32] <dreamer> if it's stable you don't have to fix it
[11:32] <dreamer> (there's only a single bug I've encountered in the past ~decade that still needs fixing ..)
[11:33] <dreamer> ok! I think I have a working session! thnx all
[11:33] <dreamer> still annoying that kms doesn't work. terminal looks super weird
[11:33] <dreamer> but I'm in xorg now so it's all good man
[11:34] <dreamer> oh right, I forgot that it installed firefox via snap and now it's unusable -_-
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> FF transition worked like a charm for my upgrade
[11:37] <dreamer> it doesn't open my profile at all
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> dreamer: before upgrading, its always wise to read the releasenotes
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> will prevent a lot of furstrations afterwards
[11:41] <dreamer> uhg, I hate snap so much :)
[11:41] <dreamer> like why the F would I want a folder called `snap` in my home dir ..
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[11:41] <dreamer> ok thnx
[11:41] <dreamer> hope this is the last of my frustrations for today ..
[11:58] <imi> hi, snap refresh is unable to update snap-store, because it is already running. Is there a workaround here? Should I just kill it?
[12:09] <ogra> imi, just kill it or wait til the timer runs out and it does a forced upgrade on its own
[13:02] <g105b> I'm trying to debug an issue I'm having on Ubuntu server 18.04. It looks like the error is getting collected by apport, but this is new to me and I don't know where it logs anything. Can anyone help?
[13:02] <Dan39> g105b: ..
[13:03] <gourve_l> Hi! Does anyone know if Ubuntu 22.04 will support mongodb packages in the future? It seems that the mongodb team is quite close to release packages compatible with libssl3 on their PPA
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:04] <g105b> Dan39, I'm aware I'm a newb, but that's why I'm asking here.
[13:04] <Dan39> g105b: ...
[13:05] <oerheks> https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/finding-ubuntu-crash-reports/
[13:05] <g105b> Do your dots mean I'm asking a silly question?
[13:05] <oerheks> xdg-open https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)
[13:05] <Dan39> g105b: dots mean you haven't even asked a question lol
[13:05] <oerheks> that shows all your bugreports
[13:05] <Dan39> what is wrong? you didn't say at all
[13:05] <oerheks> best thing is to have alaunchpad account.
[13:06] <oerheks> Dan39, he asked a question.
[13:06] <Dan39> just that you are getting a notification about a error collected?
[13:08] <Dan39> g105b: does something else happen, or just the notification?
[13:08] <g105b> A piece of software on my server is generating a core dump. I looked in /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern and it shows that apport is used to collect the dump, but I don't know what apport is or where it logs to.
[13:09] <Dan39> is it secret info what the name of this software is?
[13:09] <g105b> No, it's a PHP script.
[13:09] <oerheks> apport collects logs and other info, and sends it to launchpad. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[13:12] <g105b> OK thanks, looks like I can configure where the coredumps are output locally.
[13:16] <g105b> Now I need to figure out what the hell a core dump is :D
[13:18] <Dan39> haha, google will tell you :P
[13:21] <Dan39> with something like php, which i think isn't really supposed to core dump (i mean, no program really should, but php should prevent a script from causing a core dump i think) i wonder if you will get any useful information from it
[13:22] <Dan39> g105b: what does the apport info say?
[13:25] <ViperXL75> I'm sitting here on a big mystery. When my TV is turned off, the Ubuntu machine will become somewhat unresponsive so I can't VNC into it. I need to turn ON the TV. After about a minute I can VNC back into the Ubuntu machine. I captured the syslog here. That is what i saw when I tailed the file. https://controlc.com/72ae1ee0
[13:25] <ViperXL75> Any pointers?
[13:26] <Dan39> wow that is the worst pastebin i've ever seen
[13:31] <g105b> Dan39, the most coherent message from apport I've extracted so far is "Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted." but I was hoping to be able to see a backtrace or something - there's 20MB of information in the crash file, so I'm sure there's something in there that I could use to debug this.
[13:41] <ViperXL75> Dan39: I didn't know here was a rule on how to copy/paste a log.
[13:47] <Dan39> ViperXL75: did i say there was?
[13:48] <Dan39> ViperXL75: could you grab more logs, that looks kinda cut off. journalctl capturing logs there? maybe pastebin the full `journalctl -b` and topic says Pastes to https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:48] <no_gravity> Hello! When I type "fire" into the start menu, multiple "Firefox" show up. I would like to delete them all except one. But how?
[13:50] <no_gravity> Looks like its files in /home/user/.local/share/applications/
[13:50] <g105b> no_gravity, take a look in ~/.local/share/applications
[13:50] <g105b> oh, you already got there.
[13:50] <leftyfb> no_gravity: what version of ubuntu and how did you install firefox?
[13:50] <joeyaa> hello, can you check in software center? maybe you have multiple versions (snap, deb..)
[13:50] <no_gravity> g105b: Yeah, will delete them there now
[13:50] <g105b> no_gravity, That's where I manage things in the application menu. You can grep the files in there for mention of firefox.
[13:50] <Dan39> no_gravity: hold on
[13:50] <leftyfb> no_gravity: that is not the correct solution
[13:51] <no_gravity> leftyfb: Why not?
[13:51] <leftyfb> no_gravity: what version of ubuntu and how did you install firefox?
[13:51] <g105b> no_gravity, maybe you used Software Centre to install firefox with deb and flatpak/snap/whatever ?
[13:51] <no_gravity> leftyfb: Can't really remember. I guess FF was there from the start? How do I find my Ubuntu version?
[13:52] <no_gravity> g105b: Not that I remember.
[13:52] <Dan39> ^ that's what i was thinking. do you maybe have both a snap and a system package of it installed at same time? but the system package shouldn't put a destkop file into ~/.local afaik
[13:52] <Dan39> so maybe a snap and a flatpak at same time?
[13:52] <no_gravity> Dan39: I don't think I have a snap of FF.
[13:52] <Dan39> though i guess you could've also done it manually by accident
[13:52] <leftyfb> no_gravity: ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy firefox ; snap search firefox|grep ^firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:53] <ViperXL75> Dan39: Ohhhh hold on. Now I know what the pain is. Lemme grab some more logs.
[13:53] <no_gravity> leftyfb: 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[13:53] <Dan39> ViperXL75: based on the timestamps in that 1st log it looks like gdm didn't even start booting up until the TV was on
[13:54] <no_gravity> leftyfb: "snap search firefox" only lists installed snaps?
[13:54] <leftyfb> no_gravity: ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy firefox ; snap search firefox|grep ^firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:56] <no_gravity> I removed all the .desktop files from ~/.local/share/applications now except the one FF entry I want to keep. Do I need to restart the DE now?
[13:56] <no_gravity> Because they still show up when I type "fire" into the start menu.
[13:57] <ViperXL75> Dan39: This is the bigger capture. I just removed some entries of jellyfin cuz it floods my log.    https://controlc.com/d7241f35
[13:57] <leftyfb> no_gravity: good luck
[13:58] <no_gravity> Holy moly, trying to reload the DE I presse CTRL+ALT+ESC. Some x appeared. I clicked and now there is no desktop at all anymore!
[13:58] <no_gravity> Where am I now? In nirvana? My windows are still there. But no desktop :)
[13:58] <Dan39> ViperXL75: what ubuntu release are you using?
[13:59] <ViperXL75> i think 20
[13:59] <ViperXL75> hold on
[13:59] <Dan39> ViperXL75: is there a reason you aren't using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ ? just a friendly question
[14:00] <Dan39> you realize that controlc site is very annoying to scroll the paste on, and when loaded half the entire page is an ad
[14:01] <ViperXL75> need an account for that
[14:01] <Dan39> i take that back about stupid paste.ubuntu.com , last i recall i did not have to login to paste. wow.
[14:01] <ViperXL75> for paste.ubuntu.com
[14:01] <Dan39> sorry
[14:02] <oerheks> any pastebin without javascript will do; termbin.com
[14:02] <Dan39> termbin.com is nice
[14:02] <ViperXL75> also good
[14:02] <ViperXL75> sec
[14:02] <ogra> Dan39, that was before it was abused for things like credit card data lists and such 😉
[14:02] <no_gravity> Ha, I typed "plasmashell" and now my desktop is back.
[14:03] <Dan39> ogra: so maybe they should've filtered them out better haha, but i guess the bad guys keep getting around the filters or something, whatever
[14:03] <ogra> (the team was simply not able to manage all the teardown requests anymore that came from authorities)
[14:03] <Dan39> ViperXL75: could you look at `journalctl -b` make sure there is nothing you don't want pasted, pipe that thru ur grep then pipe thru termbin.com
[14:04] <no_gravity> But Firefox still shows up multiple times :/
[14:04] <no_gravity> Gonna restart ...
[14:04] <Dan39> ogra: sounds like they should've gotten better at preventing those people from creating pastes in the first place instead of being reactive and having to remove them (without creating a login haha)
[14:05] <Dan39> but whatever, just use different pastebin now
[14:05] <ogra> only one of the persons needs to be logged in btw ... if the poster was logged in, the viewer does not get a request ... and the other way around
[14:06] <Dan39> the other way around? i can give him a URL to paste with ?
[14:06] <ogra> yuo can use i.e. pastebinit from cmdline ... and the viewer will be asked to log in first
[14:07] <Dan39> o_O
[14:07] <Dan39> neat i guess
[14:07] <ogra> or you log in and paste through a browser and the viewer will not be asked
[14:07] <Dan39> gocha
[14:07] <ogra> it is a tradeoff indeed ...
[14:13] <ViperXL75> Dan39: Oh goodness. I looooove termbin.com. Thanks man.     Here's the output:  https://termbin.com/covz8
[14:16] <oerheks> So you are running debian?
[14:20] <Dan39> oerheks: what makes you say that, because you see the debian-sa1 messages?
[14:20] <oerheks> yes? never seen those before
[14:21] <Dan39> looks like a package that ubuntu probably provides
[14:21] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/sysstat/filelist
[14:22] <ravage> -> /usr/lib/sysstat/debian-sa1
[14:23] <Dan39> ViperXL75: i'm trying to think of a decent solution to your issue. i wonder if anyone else has any thoughts...
[14:24] <Dan39> ViperXL75: i have a feeling it is acting as expected. gdm won't start if there is no monitor connected... i myself would probably try to make a custom Xorg.conf to specify a specific resolution etc. for this scenario, but not sure if there is a more proper solution
[14:29] <Dan39> in my experience, indeed linux/xorg has some troubles initializing Xorg if the monitor is not connected during bootup, which i assume the TV is acting like in the scenario. most monitors go into a default power save mode i believe, instead of completely off, so will communicate resolution info even when "off". maybe the TV doesn't do that
[14:31] <oerheks> maybe it is this old VNC issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033436/how-to-use-ubuntu-18-04-on-vnc-without-display-attached
[14:33] <Dan39> oerheks: sure, you can run a VNC server, but by the sounds of ViperXL75 having it connected to a TV, i was thinking he probably wants to use it on the TV at a later point
[14:33] <Dan39> ViperXL75: do you want to be able to use the TV later? like is this a media PC you are making?
[14:33] <Dan39> or is only headless fine?
[14:42] <ViperXL75> Dan39: this is indeed a mediaPC. The "tv" that I'm talking about is actually the HDMI-input of my xbox. So i can remotely turn on the Xbox (within the same LAN) and then I can get to the PC.
[14:43] <ViperXL75> But i've been slowly checking around about an idea how to do this.
[14:44] <ViperXL75> oerheks: reading about that old question.
[14:46] <ViperXL75> The setup is a PC that does some SMB share, some mediaserer, some mediaplayer to the TV, some emulator. Just a bit of everything.   xD
[14:56] <jhutchins> ViperXL75: So the XBox does HDMI passthrough?
[14:57] <oerheks> some xbox's have hdmi in, to pass your cable company through
[14:57] <oerheks> maybe you need an app installed?
[14:59] <Dan39> hmmm, interesting scenario. i see some pretty old posts about setting an xorg option IgnoreEDID and then configuring specific resolution modes. seems like mixed results. my thought is to get Xorg to start up and output with a specific modeline without any monitor connected. i'm not sure it is possible though. some report that the gfx card won't allow it
[15:01] <Dan39> ViperXL75: what do you VNC in to do? if you need to just do some configuration and stuff maybe run a separate vnc server for just that. if you need to configure like your mediaplayer via it's GUI then that might not be an option though i guess, unless you configure it via VNC first, then close it and re-open once the xbox/TV is turned on
[15:02] <Dan39> but depends on exactly what you want to do via VNC
[15:04] <ogra> ViperXL75, is there any reason that you do not use the built in VNC server of the desktop and instead added xvnc (which is really old and crappy) ?
[15:05] <Dan39> since when is x11vnc crappy?
[15:05] <ogra> your log clearly shows xvnc gets an EDID event from your Tv an shuts down until it sees the TV EDID again
[15:05] <ogra> Dan39, well, it is old and crusty 🙂
[15:05] <Dan39> old sure, not crappy in my experience. better than the other options. i've tested. had the best performance and reliablity (compard to builtin X and also other x0vncserver or whatever setups)
[15:05] <ogra> and GNOME comes with a VNC server builtin
[15:06] <ogra> you just need to enable it
[15:06] <Dan39> GNOME wayland or xorg?
[15:06] <ogra> both
[15:06] <oerheks> jups
[15:06] <Dan39> i doubt that crap is any good
[15:06] <ogra> (it defaults to RDP on wayland though)
[15:06] <Dan39> but i haven't tested the GNOME builtin one tbh
[15:06] <ogra> well, it will work integrated with the desktop and not trigget itsef on/off on random EDID events
[15:06] <ogra> *trigger
[15:07] <ogra> (i assume at lest)
[15:07] <Dan39> i tested the Xorg builtin (turned on via Xorg.conf) and i believe he one from tigervnc and tightvnc, and x11vnc
[15:08] <Dan39> ogra: but will GNOME even start up if no monitor is connected at all? if it will, that may be a good solution here to try
[15:08] <ogra> it should ... and you should indeed set up auto-login so a session starts
[15:09] <Dan39> ogra: how would it know the resolution?
[15:09] <ogra> it will default to one i guess ... you have to try
[15:09] <Dan39> ViperXL75: are you using GNOME?
[15:10] <Dan39> i assume so since i see gdm, but let's not assume
[15:10] <ogra> in any case i think the builtin one is the better choice
[15:10] <Dan39> in this case it might be because of the scenario
[15:10] <Dan39> performance and reliablity wise when i tested about 2 years ago it wasn't ;)
[15:18] <Dan39> actually, i'm not sure if Xorg itself has it's own builtin, from what i could find it looks like the "builtin extension" would be the tigervnc-xorg-extension
[15:28] <ArtfulDodger_> Hey! I read "/usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/netplan failed with exit status 1" in syslog, but where do we find logs for netplan?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: bug #1988681 i requested an apport-collect maybe related to yours?
[15:32] <oerheks> !info yamllint
[15:35] <alkisg> Hi lotuspsychje , no my case was "data corruption", not "crashes"; I solved it by installing vbox from oracle instead of from ubuntu's repositories
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:35] <oerheks> not sure netplan writes a log.. , one can try; sudo netplan –d apply # to debug
[15:37] <oerheks> yay, 3.3 arrived https://snapcraft.io/blender
[16:07] <chaotix> Hi anybody here?
[17:04] <morganu> Ubunrusoul is here, just ask
[17:05] <morganu> !ask!chaotix
[17:05] <morganu> !ask |chaotix
[17:06] <oerheks> morganu, long gone..
[17:13] <morganu> I have been having a problem of "browser" slowing down my 20.04 when "browser" ={chrome,firfox} and the prob builds up slowly. I have been having it for 2 years.  Working solution: kill "browser" before it gets too slow, else logout if possible|hold power button.  AND memtest86+ freezes in the first cycle AND the "built-in Dell hardware-tester says all is perfect.  (Temps has been checked) - - -  What else could
[17:13] <morganu> I do to diagnose this issue? (Used computer from friend who cant give report, I rewrote the whole hard drive with 20.04 - - and thatnks.
[17:16] <morganu> oerheks, , minor victory. I successfully=remembered how to use ubbottu
[17:18] <morganu> I would like to try to diagose this again before installing 22.04
[17:21] <jhutchins> morganu: This does not seem to be a Well Known Problem.  Even on low-resource systems, browsers tend to adapt to what is available and usually work just fine.
[17:22] <jhutchins> morganu: What hardware do you have?  Have you partitioned your drive?  Does the system swap?  Have you tried clearing the browser cache?
[17:23] <jhutchins> morganu: I presume you're using the default gnome desktop, which is pretty heavy.  You could try lxde or xfce - no need to re-install, just add the new DE and try it.
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> falkon browser is pretty lightweight too
[17:25] <morganu> HW Dell optiplex 9020 =, not partitioned --Does the system Swap?  (I let Ubuntu set up swap if that's what you mean, aka vanilla). - -  I dont recall about browser cache [How do I do that?] - -
[17:27] <morganu> only "special' thing I run is U-tweaks for the dock position. - -  Every desktop I try (budgie, matae) fails in some way. I dont remembe if I tried gnome-classic this time aka with 22.04) - - isnt xfce a really different windows only not gui environment???
[17:28] <jhutchins> morganu: Linux desktop environments run "on top of" the text-based CLI environment, which is always present.
[17:28] <morganu> lotuspsychje, I run many windows butnow am down to say under 30 and it was slowing down. (So I decided to use brave today, lol.
[17:29] <jhutchins> morganu: XFCE is a very nice lightweight desktop, it just does what I want and stays out of the way.  It does not have as many integrated applications as gnome.
[17:30] <morganu> jhutchins, yes. I am only interested in using a gui. (now) - - later I have asirations but it is or will be over 90 in here again...
[17:30] <jhutchins> morganu: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32050?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
[17:30] <jhutchins> morganu: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-clear-firefox-cache
[17:30] <morganu> tomreyns and I worked over this a couple of years ago and I gave up.
[17:31] <morganu> I will look up chrome-cache.
[17:32] <jhutchins> morganu: The optiplex looks like it came with windows 10, so it shouldn't have any problem with a current linux distro.
[17:32] <jhutchins> morganu: How much RAM?
[17:33] <morganu> 8 gigs of ram.
[17:34] <morganu> I dont want to lose my saved passwords. Or history. Or bookmarkes. - they are not cookies and ther site data, are they?
[17:36] <morganu> OK noted: chrome just started up 294MBy f cache data cleared.
[17:37] <morganu> Now I will see what that does. Cold I have a sucker program (made up that term) running?
[17:37] <alexandre> l
[17:38] <morganu> Please remember that MEMTEST86+ freezes in the first cycle. ***
[17:40] <morganu> Wait wait dont tell me:: I am looking up THAT and got some results. Y'all thanks but wait until I check this aspect out. - First time I learched this.
[17:40] <morganu> searched/googles/ducked it...
[17:45] <morganu> someone said: The most likely cause - LP #1876157: Memtest86+ in Ubuntu 20.04 doesn't work. So if the memtest you ran was from Ubuntu 20.04 images, try running memtest from Ubuntu 18.04 images.
[17:45] <nyo> hello I installed kubuntu but I need safe graphic boot entry in grub
[17:45] <nyo> how to do that?
[17:46] <ioria> add nomosedet or use Recovery nyo
[17:46] <ioria> *nomodeset
[17:46] <morganu> IIR I can run memtest from before-the-boot from a USB. - - Is this true?  Do I have to do anything special like hold down some key during the boot?  I dont remember that choice shoing up like it did with theCD boot versions.
[17:46] <nyo> ok I press e at grub menu and I have codes
[17:46] <nyo> where should I write nomodeset?
[17:47] <nyo> just in a new line?
[17:47] <ioria> nyo, in the 'Linux' line  after splash
[17:47] <nyo> like linux /boot/vmlinuz-etc nomodeset ?
[17:48] <ioria> yes
[17:49] <nyo> ok I am trying thanks
[17:49] <ioria> no prob
[17:49] <nyo> battery low on this laptop will reconnect
[18:08] <oerheks> nomodeset is an option during the 1st stage of install, with F6 IIRC
[18:29] <SpankySpank> Anyone have scrunched / squished search bar in "Show Applications" window in Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS?  Running in a VM using VMware Workstation.
[18:30] <jhutchins> SpankySpank: Have you loaded the VMWare drivers?
[18:31] <SpankySpank> Yep - VMWARE tools were loaded.
[18:31] <SpankySpank> I'll check again though.
[18:37] <SpankySpank> OK - here's what I get there....
[18:37] <SpankySpank> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3XVmfgJcMs/
[18:41] <sharm629> hello
[18:52] <SpankySpank> OS otherwise seems to be working fine.
[19:34] <AugustusCaesar24> I have an ubuntu server 20.04 and I am trying to install a python package with pip and I keep getting an error that  the package is only for python 3.9 and up
[19:34] <AugustusCaesar24> I have python 3.9 installed, but pip keeps thinking that its not installed
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> AugustusCaesar24: How did you install Python3.9?
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> !python3 focal
[19:35] <AugustusCaesar24> I think I did sudo apt install python3.9 or something
[19:35] <AugustusCaesar24> what does "!python3 focal" mean?
[19:36] <arraybolt3> That was me trying to look something up with the bot.
[19:36] <arraybolt3> It... didn't work.
[19:36] <oerheks> !info python3 focal
[19:36] <arraybolt3> !info python3.9 focal
[19:36] <arraybolt3> oerheks: thank
[19:36] <arraybolt3> s/thank/thanks/
[19:37] <AugustusCaesar24> I have both python and python3 aliased to python3.9, but I am not sure if that does anything
[19:37] <arraybolt3> Hmm... I wonder what /usr/bin/python points to?
[19:38] <genii> You might want to see if python3-pip versus python-pip is installed
[19:38] <arraybolt3> AugustusCaesar24: You should probably be very careful (like, careful to the point of near-paranoia) with all things Python on Ubuntu. It's a core system component, and you can make your whole computer go berzerk if you mess it up somehow.
[19:39] <nyo> hello, I need to set resolution to 1024x768 instead of current 640x480 in kubuntu. from settings I have only 640x480. I guess I have to play with xrandr and config files. any help? thanks
[19:39] <arraybolt3> If you're going to do something that seems dangerous to get it to work, do yourself a favor and back up all your data first.
[19:39] <jhutchins> AugustusCaesar24: It sounds like the python package doesn't know how to play nicely with Ubuntu.
[19:39] <arraybolt3> nyo: Are you using a virtual machine, or just a computer with a small monitor?
[19:40] <nyo> arraybolt3, computer with monitor that can go up to 1280x1024
[19:40] <nyo> I have KVM switch
[19:40] <nyo> that probably blocks edi infos
[19:40] <arraybolt3> nyo: Oh OK.
[19:41] <arraybolt3> xrandr is probably the solution - I don't remember how to fiddle with it, but stick around, someone here might know.
[19:41] <nyo> the pc is new I never played with nforce graphics
[19:41] <AugustusCaesar24> arraybolt3 its mostly a virtual machine so I feel pretty solid messing with it, but I will be sure to keep that noted going forward in case I mess with real servers and computers
[19:41] <nyo> arraybolt3, I played a bit with xrandr without success
[19:41] <jhutchins> nyo: Are you sure you have the right drivers for your video chipset?  Generic VESA drivers usually come up with 640x480
[19:41] <sarnold> nyo: there's some advice on https://askubuntu.com/a/789553/33812 for configuring X11 to ignore your edid
[19:41] <oerheks> nyo, if you get that higher resolution without KVM, you found the culprit
[19:42] <arraybolt3> nyo: You mentioned nforce, does that mean you have NVIDIA graphics? If so, did you install the proprietary drivers?
[19:42] <oerheks> oh edid block..
[19:43] <nyo> No i haven't installed anything nvidia it is a fresh kubuntu install
[19:43] <nyo> I had to use nomodeset to enter gui
[19:43] <nyo> here pastebin of xrandr verbose https://pastebin.com/hRdbPH5r
[19:44] <arraybolt3> nyo: Yikes. I'd run "sudo software-properties-kde", then go to the Additional Drivers tab and install the NVIDIA drivers for your system. That may make things a lot easier.
[19:44] <nyo> I would like to use nouveau drivers
[19:44] <sarnold> nyo: oh nice, you might not need to do the edid override stuff, there's a 1024x768_60.00 in there that might work
[19:44] <nyo> I think is the one I have added
[19:45] <nyo> but maybe best to use the nouveau way
[19:45] <arraybolt3> nyo: Ah, that makes sense. Then I guess try the EDID override and see how that helps.
[19:45] <nyo> I try this guide and then we will see
[19:45] <nyo> https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Nvidia/DriverNouveau
[19:45] <ioria> nyo, what's your video card ?
[19:46] <nyo> the strange problem is that when I had the fresh install I added nomodeset to grub then I wrote reboot in shell inside kde. then after reboot it went to 640x480. the early boot was nomodeset by manual so no idea why the system changed the resolution by itself
[19:47] <nyo> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[19:47] <ioria> nyo, run this cmd :  cat /proc/cmdline   and paste here the output
[19:48] <oerheks> new computer, but an ancient nvidia gpu that needs nvidia-304 ?
[19:49] <ioria> that's not available anymore
[19:49] <oerheks> workaround; edit ' /etc/modprobe.d/local-video.conf'  and set;  options nouveau noaccel=1
[19:49] <oerheks> old trick, 16.04  from https://askubuntu.com/questions/588538/whats-the-correct-driver-to-use-with-a-geforce-6150se-nforce-430-on-ubuntu-and
[19:50] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks, ioria: They probably meant that it was a fresh installation (which they stated later on).
[19:50] <nyo> ioria, BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-46-generic root=UUID=1f28d72f-8ead-43e6-9401-d3854c19d9a3 ro nomodeset nomodeset quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[19:51] <ioria> nyo, ok; what happens if you boot 'without' nomodeset ?
[19:51] <nyo> ioria, blank screen
[19:52] <nyo> nouveau driver should support that graphic card
[19:53] <ioria> nyo, i guess so; we can try with another desktop env; shall we ?
[19:53] <oerheks> try without KVM
[19:53] <nyo> I would like kde and sorry I cannot remove kvm easily the pc is in another room now
[19:53] <nyo> complicated to move
[19:54] <ioria> as a test nyo , as a test
[19:54] <nyo> I can take the pc and go in a new room with other monitor thought
[19:54] <oerheks> wel, try the noaccel trick ?
[19:54] <nyo> oerheks, I can try that
[19:55] <nyo> how to see if I am using nouveau right now?
[19:55] <ioria> you're using nomodeset, no way nouveau is loaded
[19:55] <ioria> btw, lspci -nnk
[19:56] <nyo>  Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau
[19:56] <ioria> nope
[19:56] <nyo> on the geforce line
[19:57] <ioria> you have to check : Kernel driver in use
[19:57] <ioria> not Kernel modules
[19:58] <nyo> https://pastebin.com/nDdh7w1V
[19:58] <nyo> I don't see kernel driver in use
[19:58] <ioria> nyo, yes, it's NOT laoded
[19:59] <nyo> maybe I should start the system without modeset and to shell?
[19:59] <nyo> or the noaccell option
[20:01] <SpankySpank> Example of my "Show Applications" screen I posted earlier (scrunched up Search Bar): https://bit.ly/3RMokUa
[20:01] <nyo> oerheks, how to see if I am using nouveau if the system blanks the screen without nomodeset? boot to shell will load the driver?
[20:03] <oerheks> bacause of nomodeset, you seem to use nvidiafb
[20:04] <oerheks> so, with that noaccell you get the same result, a limited 2d screen
[20:05] <oerheks> on top of that, KVM migh bug you too.. i think KDE is too heavy for your goal.
[20:05] <nyo> I can use xfce I like it
[20:06] <nyo> problem is if I try without nomodeset I get blank screen
[20:06] <nyo> maybe with noaccell it will go fine
[20:06] <nyo> but I don't know if nouveau will get loaded
[20:06] <nyo> what do you think oerheks ?
[20:06] <enigma9o7[m]> I have a 6150 on one of my pc.  the nvidia-304 is not available anymore, gotta use nouveau.
[20:07] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], thanks. what should I do? it seems I have nouveau but without using nomodeset I have blank screen on loading kde
[20:07] <enigma9o7[m]> then use nomodeset
[20:08] <enigma9o7[m]> I don't think that causes any issues other than having to set your video mode with xrandr if it isnt already right
[20:08] <nyo> that's the point enigma9o7[m] I am stuck at 640x480
[20:08] <nyo> I would like to use 1024x768 but I don't know well xrandr
[20:08] <nyo> can you help me with xrandr enigma9o7[m] ?
[20:08] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah ok.  Well first just try `xrandr -s 1024x768`
[20:09] <enigma9o7[m]> kde also has display settings....
[20:09] <nyo> settings in kde is 640x480 probably because of missing edi infos from monitor due to kvm switch
[20:09] <nyo> gonna try that command
[20:09] <enigma9o7[m]> but I agree xfce might be better cuz of that video card
[20:09] <nyo> Size 1024x768 not found in available modes
[20:10] <nyo> so I have to add that mode I think enigma9o7[m] ?
[20:10] <enigma9o7[m]> run `xrandr` and it lists modes
[20:11] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], here it is but I tried to add 1024 before https://pastebin.com/Y8pkba7n
[20:11] <enigma9o7[m]> If the mode isnt there then yeah you gotta add it, which I'd hav eto look up how to do if I had to.
[20:11] <nyo> seems there is one that I added but doesn't go
[20:11] <nyo> I don't understand
[20:11] <nyo> this xrandr issue
[20:12] <nyo> maybe I will take a nvidia 730 from another computer and play with it
[20:12] <enigma9o7[m]> if you bypass the kvm and boot, monitor is fine?
[20:13] <oerheks> make sure the pci bus is correct
[20:13] <oerheks> 740 looks like pcixpress 2 ?
[20:13] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], I cannot do that right now. I then would need to use another monitor
[20:13] <nyo> oerheks, is fine the cards will just go slower at pcie 2 or 1
[20:14] <oerheks> good luck!
[20:16] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], can we try with your help this xrandr stuff?
[20:17] <pikapika> GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 does not work
[20:17] <nyo> also you said this videocard is not good for kde. you mean kde is too heavy for it?
[20:17] <pikapika> What can I do?
[20:17] <enigma9o7[m]> i dont know it, i'd have to look that up.  for me that wasnt necessary.  with ubuntu 16.04 the nvidia-304 driver worked and was included.  when 18.04 rolled around, it was no longer included but there were patches to make it work anyway.   But since 20.04 I've used nouveau...
[20:18] <enigma9o7[m]> which is automatic built in so I didnt have to do anything, and it detected my monitor well enough to be able to set resolutions myself
[20:18] <enigma9o7[m]> without adding modes
[20:18] <nyo> I tried xrandr --output vga-0 --mode 1024x768 and it says
[20:19] <nyo> warning: output vga-0 not found; ignoring
[20:19] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], :)
[20:19] <pikapika> Xubuntu 20.04
[20:19] <enigma9o7[m]> try capitol VAG
[20:19] <enigma9o7[m]> VGA
[20:19] <nyo> same
[20:19] <nyo> how to see the name of video card?
[20:20] <enigma9o7[m]> no switches; share that output if you want
[20:20] <enigma9o7[m]> just run `xrandr`
[20:21] <enigma9o7[m]> if i could remember that magic termbin command others here suggest i'd tell you...
[20:21] <sarnold> | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:21] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], https://pastebin.com/a7rZasRc
[20:23] <nyo> if I boot to shell can I see if the nouveau driver is loaded? how to do that? lsmod?
[20:23] <enigma9o7[m]> it seems to just call it default
[20:23] <nyo> oh the cmd someone wrote before
[20:24] <nyo> ok how to boot to shell?
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> lsmod probably.  i use tools like `inxi -G` or `glxinfo|grep version`
[20:25] <nyo> I have the noaccell option saved under nouveau
[20:26] <enigma9o7[m]> If I keep answering you I'm the blind leading the blind, other people know this better.  If I wanted to get out of desktop back to shell, I'd just kill my login manager.  like `sudo service gdm3 stop`
[20:26] <jhutchins> I am nearly certain that nobody has looked at /bar/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:26] <enigma9o7[m]> but if I wanted to boot to shell I dunno what I'd do. I guess i'd look up how to disable that service before rebooting.
[20:26] <jhutchins> s/bar/var/
[20:26] <nyo> I got interesting news here gonna pastebin
[20:27] <nyo> https://pastebin.com/pbUSB6aA
[20:28] <nyo> enigma9o7[m], no there should be a way from grub
[20:28] <nyo> to boot into shell without kde
[20:28] <enigma9o7[m]> oh, from grub theres some type of recovery root shell perhaps.  anyways from kde you could still do what i said, just kill sddm instead....
[20:29] <enigma9o7[m]> but yeah i see your inxi says no driver is loaded
[20:29] <enigma9o7[m]> not even nouveau
[20:30] <nyo> so what it means enigma9o7[m] ?
[20:30] <nyo> I am using nomodeset
[20:31] <nyo> I try to boot into shell meanwhile and see what happens after I start startx
[20:34] <nyo> gonna try it now will go back in a while I hope thanks to everyone enigma9o7[m] oerheks etc
[20:42] <pjs> anyone have any tips/tricks to wake up an external monitor. Not sure why but in the last 2 months it doesn't wake up once I disconnect it from my laptop and put the machine to sleep. It used to work fine just reconnecting it.
[20:43] <sarnold> xset dpms might be able to help
[20:48] <pjs> sarnold: I do: xset dpms force off
[20:49] <nyo> Hi guys, enigma9o7[m] oerheks
[20:49] <pjs> wait 5-10 seconds, then wake up the screen with no luck (this used to work when this would randomly happen).. same with ctrl+alt+F2 and back.. also used to work, now no
[20:49] <nyo> I have 1024 x 768 right now
[20:49] <nyo> I only booted to rescue mode and it got 1024x768
[20:49] <nyo> dunno why
[20:49] <nyo> then rebooted
[20:49] <nyo> and it's fine
[20:49] <nyo> I wonder why all this mess
[20:49] <enigma9o7[m]> Probably how the switch was set when you booted.
[20:49] <nyo> gonna take a supreme coffe right now ;-)
[20:49] <nyo> I dunno
[20:49] <nyo> I haven't touched it today still
[20:50] <enigma9o7[m]> Perhaps you booted thefirst time while it was set to the other machine.
[20:50] <enigma9o7[m]> kvm switch
[20:50] <nyo> yeah but only 1 machine on today
[20:50] <enigma9o7[m]> maybe softboot better than cold boot for some reason
[20:52] <enigma9o7[m]> but in any case glad its better.  hopefully with nouveau.  cuz even vesa can do 1024x768 but its slow.
[21:14] <SpankySpank> Disable "Hide Top Bar" Gnome Extension was my solution.
[21:23] <AVML> Need a little guidance. Was home labbing with MAAS and deployed some servers. Realized I didn't really need MAAS and deleted it away. However, It looks like snap and apt are both pointing to , what used to be, the mass server. I was able to successfully remove the apt proxy/redirect.. However. snap still keeps erroring pointing to the old MAAS
[21:23] <AVML> server.  How can I tell it to stop:)
[22:09] <jhutchins> I think there's a ppa-purge command, not sure where to find it.
[22:16] <AVML> Yea i been searching and can't find anything on how to get rid of mass configs on servers provisioned by it.
[23:03] <Intelo> Hi
[23:05] <Intelo> If my os ever crashes or I change hardware. How can I retain my OS on new hardware? It won't be compatible if I just plug in the  old ubuntu installed disk in the new PC or the PC with changed CPU or MB. So what is the best option? I thought of virtualbox based OS that is portable but that would a huge waste of resources as host OS will also need
[23:05] <Intelo> something to run
[23:05] <murmel> why wouldn't it run on the new hw?
[23:06] <Intelo> because it would have old drivers etc
[23:06] <Intelo> and old configs
[23:06] <AlexC> so?
[23:06] <murmel> all drivers are included (except nvidia)
[23:06] <Intelo> so linux is just portable by nature?
[23:06] <murmel> yes
[23:06] <AlexC> I did swap my entire PC with my old linux install, worked just fine
[23:06] <Intelo> you just plug HDD on any PC?
[23:06] <murmel> yes
[23:06] <Intelo> a 100%? all the time?
[23:06] <AlexC> suppose to be
[23:07] <murmel> with the exception that you need to make sure in which "mode" you boot
[23:07] <murmel> uefi or legacy/bios
[23:07] <Intelo> interesting
[23:07] <murmel> linux is not windows
[23:07] <murmel> or rather the whole unix family
[23:07] <Intelo> thanks! that solved a lot of problems before then arose
[23:08] <Intelo> is x2go still the best free remote desktop app?
[23:08] <nonix4_> hints on how to turn monitors back on after idle lockscreen?
[23:08] <nonix4_> (when ssh'd in from another host)
[23:08] <murmel> Intelo: when you use wayland gnome has xrdp included in their gnome session
[23:09] <nonix4_> (with default wayland session, on amdgpu)
[23:09] <Intelo> ok
[23:12] <sarnold> well, linux isn't *completely* compatible... if you swap out your amd64 system for a power9 system, it won't Just Work :)
[23:12] <murmel> sarnold: but it's very unlikely :P arm64 however :)
[23:15] <sarnold> murmel: yeah :(
[23:15] <nonix4_> does wayland have any way for controlling/disabling (buggy-as-usual) DPMS, or do I need to switch to X.org to be able to control DPMS?
[23:17] <murmel> nonix4_: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=238202
[23:25] <nonix4__> Thanks murmel. But gdb user already shows sleep-inactive-ac-type as nothing, and it still dpms-blanks on lockscreen.
[23:27] <nonix4__> gdm* user that is. Haven't tried changing the related -battery- value... is that actually used for desktops (... connected to ups)?
[23:28] <bumblefuzz> I've used ubuntu for almost a decade
[23:28] <bumblefuzz> and I've never had a problem updating
[23:28] <bumblefuzz> now I'm getting an error: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://cli.github.com/packages stable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 23F3D4EA75716059
[23:28] <bumblefuzz> why would a pubkey be missing?
[23:29] <bumblefuzz> why would the system not be able to download a new pubkey?
[23:29] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[23:29] <bumblefuzz> 22.04.1
[23:29] <arraybolt3> Also, cli.github.com? Sounds like you're using a third-party repo, in which case they should probably have given you instructions on importing the public key when you added the repo.
[23:29] <murmel> nonix4__: not 100% sure, and imho, the system first has to realize that there is a ups
[23:30] <bumblefuzz> I've not installed anything from github explicitly
[23:30] <bumblefuzz> so this has to be on ubuntu's end
[23:30] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: https://github.com/cli/cli/blob/trunk/docs/install_linux.md
[23:30] <murmel> ubuntu doesn't install github stuf
[23:30] <bumblefuzz> how do I check what packages are using it?
[23:30] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: Ubuntu does not come with the Github CLI stuff included by default. Either you or someone else with access to your computer has hadded it.
[23:30] <arraybolt3> s/hadded/added/
[23:31] <bumblefuzz> how do I check what packages are using it?
[23:31] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: Try running "apt-cache show gh", that's the GitHub CLI if I'm understanding correctly.
[23:31] <bumblefuzz> yeah, there's a bunch of output
[23:31] <arraybolt3> If it says it's installed, that's likely your problem. If you don't want it and are sure no one else who uses this computer needs it, you should be able to uninstall it and then get rid of the GitHub CLI repo.
[23:31] <bumblefuzz> not sure what it means
[23:32] <bumblefuzz> 'apt-get remove gh'
[23:32] <bumblefuzz> ?
[23:32] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: Well try "dpkg-query -s gh | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link it spits out.
[23:32] <arraybolt3> That will let me see for sure if it's installed.
[23:32] <bumblefuzz> https://termbin.com/o26f
[23:33] <arraybolt3> Yep. Someone installed the GitHub CLI on your system.
[23:33] <bumblefuzz> how do I remove it
[23:33] <arraybolt3> So... before we dive into fixing this, are you absolutely sure you didn't install this, and if so, who might have installed it?
[23:33] <bumblefuzz> honestly, I don't know
[23:33] <bumblefuzz> I don't really use github
[23:33] <bumblefuzz> I MIGHT'VE tried to download something from github once
[23:34] <bumblefuzz> but I honestly don't remember this thing
[23:34] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: Personally, I'd clean-install Ubuntu at this point for fear of a security breach, but if you're sure that's unnecessary, you can run "sudo apt purge gh" to begin with.
[23:34] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: Once that's done, run "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | nc termbin.com 9999" so I can find the file that contains the GitHub repo info.
[23:35] <arraybolt3> (You might be able to recognize it yourself - if you're sure you're looking at the right file, run "sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<file name>", replacing <file name> as appropriate. Then run "sudo apt update".)
[23:35] <bumblefuzz> https://termbin.com/eyra
[23:36] <arraybolt3> bumblefuzz: OK, "sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/github-cli.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/github-cli.list.distUpgrade && sudo apt update".
[23:36] <bumblefuzz> thanks
[23:36] <bumblefuzz> update runs smoothly now
[23:37] <bumblefuzz> never seen this issue before
[23:40] <nonix4__> murmel: ... although ideally I'd just want to blacklist DPMS for any DP1.2 "master" devices (since the chain will fail on DPMS)
[23:40] <AVML> Trying to refresh with snap and I'm getting this sudo snap refresh lxd --channel=5.4/stable
[23:40] <AVML> error: cannot refresh "lxd": Post "https://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/refresh": proxyconnect tcp:
[23:40] <AVML>        dial tcp 192.168.20.10:8000: connect: no route to host...  That IP used to be an old MAAS server that's gone.  Anyone know how to get it to stop .
[23:42] <sarnold> AVML: this suggests "sudo snap set system proxy.http ..." and "sudo snap set system proxy.https ..."  https://askubuntu.com/a/1146047/33812 -- but it's also three years old
[23:42] <nonix4__> AVML: quick look at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20snapd.conf indicates snap may be reading those settings from apt
[23:43] <murmel> nonix4__: did you find this already (mind you it's for gnome 3.24) https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/316929/display-is-not-capable-of-dpms-after-gnome-wayland-update
[23:44] <AVML> Thanks to both of yal  unset system proxy for both http and https did it.
[23:45] <sarnold> \o/
[23:49] <nonix4__> murmel: thanks, that busctl in comments there can be handy, and is 3.28 -compatible too :)