[00:41] <dunpeal> Is snap going to eventually replace apt? If not, what would be the division of labor between them?
[00:50] <genii> "problematic"
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> dunpeal: Probably not. Ubuntu actually has a pure-Snap variant called Ubuntu Core, but it's not even close to something you could use for desktop use. I think it's mainly designed for IOT stuff.
[02:24] <dunpeal> arraybolt3: I see, so how will the division of duties be between the two? Which packages will be managed by Snap, and which by Apt?
[02:25] <arraybolt3[m]> dunpeal: No clue. Might be interesting to debate about it in #ubuntu-discuss:libera.chat.
[02:25] <arraybolt3> (Oh thanks Matrix. I meant #ubuntu-discuss.)
[02:29] <dunpeal> arraybolt3: I'm on Matrix too, and I think it worked. I pinged you in #ubuntu-discuss:libera.chat 
[02:30] <arraybolt3[m]> dunpeal: Oh I forgot that LOL. It looked wrong in IRC, but in Matrix it worked right. So I guess 👍️
[06:24] <KBar> Morning! How can I disable kernel updates? They're messing up my Oracle VM VirtualBox kinetic guest.
[06:25] <arraybolt3[m]> KBar: I think you can just uninstall the latest broken kernel with apt and it will automatically make the updates stop while also rolling back the bad update.
[06:29] <KBar> I tried uninstalling the new version a couple of days ago and the whole process broke the VM in the end. Perhaps I did it wrong. I had to chroot and update the initramfs.
[06:30] <KBar> I just don't want `apt upgrade` to ever upgrade them. I did `apt-mark hold ...` is it enough?
[06:31] <arraybolt3> KBar: Dunno, it might be.
[07:05] <alkisg> Hi all; what's the current kernel in 22.10 live cds?
[07:06] <arraybolt3[m]> !info linux-image-generic kinetic
[07:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (lets see if this does it)
[07:06] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (5.19.0.15.15, kinetic): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta. Size 3 kB / 20 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x.)
[07:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Newest ISOs were built today, so that's probably the kernel.
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[07:59] <alkisg> Thank you arraybolt3 :)
[07:59] <alkisg> (want to test a sound issue with a new laptop with amd 4800something; sound won't work in previous releases)
[08:00] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: No problem. I also happen to have a Kinetic ISO booted in a VM right now and can confirm the kernel version is in fact 5.19.
[09:04] <Rastersoft> Hi all
[09:05] <Rastersoft> I'm having problems with the vboxsf module in a virtualized instance of kinetic
[09:05] <Rastersoft> Am I the only one?
[09:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Rastersoft: Not sure, I don't use VBox that often. It might take a while for someone who's here to notice and reply, so you may want to leave your IRC client open for a while (hours, possibly a few days) to get a response.
[09:08] <Rastersoft> arraybolt3[m] I'll do it.
[09:19] <luna__> wooho new daily images for the first time in some days \o/
[09:25] <guiverc> :)
[09:26]  * luna__ downloads to test in my Virtualbox test VM
[10:16] <luna__> is there any report for the problems with the keyboard layout selector in g-i-s in 22.10?
[11:14] <KBar> Rastersoft: shared folders not working? (i.e. Permission denied)
[11:16] <KBar> also what OS is your host?
[11:17] <Rastersoft> No, they just aren't mounted, and can't compile the module using the Guest aditions because can't find the configuration file (although it is there) and can't find some symbols.
[11:17] <Rastersoft> My host OS is Ubuntu 22.04
[11:18] <KBar> Rastersoft: `uname -r`?
[11:18] <KBar> from guest
[11:19] <Rastersoft> 5.19.0-15-generic
[11:19] <KBar> Rastersoft: right. Boot into 5.15, purge the new version and do `apt-mark hold ...`
[11:20] <KBar> also, is it set up properly? 
[11:23] <KBar> do you have one under "machine folders" in "shared folders" tab? also make sure your user is in the vboxsf group 
[11:24] <KBar> but the problem is with the kernel 5.19, had the same exact issue until i reverted back to 5.15
[11:26] <Rastersoft> I'm going to try compile now the guest iso
[11:30] <Rastersoft> Ok, now the mounting points do work
[11:30] <Rastersoft> but now the dynamic resolution...
[11:31] <KBar> did you downgrade the kernel?
[11:31] <Rastersoft> yes
[11:31] <Rastersoft> the vboxvideo module is loaded
[11:31] <KBar> Rastersoft: check your /var/log/apt/history.log
[11:32] <KBar> and search for 'linux'. it should have upgraded/installed 5 or 6 packages
[11:32] <KBar> among them is `linux-libc-dev`
[11:32] <KBar> you need to downgrade it as well
[11:32] <Rastersoft> I didn't use the virtualbox packages, I compiled the drivers from the guest aditions iso
[11:33] <KBar> what you're saying doesnt make sense. did you download guest additions ISO from Oracle's website or did you install it from the repositories?
[11:34] <Rastersoft> I used the "Insert "guest aditions" iso" option from the menu
[11:35] <KBar> good. thats how you're supposed to do it. but the question is, where did you get this specific version of Oracle VM VirtualBox? `sudo apt install virtualbox virtualbox-guest-additions iso` or you downloaded both (and their dependencies) from Oracle's website?
[11:41] <Rastersoft> Just did "sudo apt install virtualbox" Nothing else
[11:42] <Rastersoft> So the guest-additions iso was downloaded automagically by virtualbox
[11:46] <Rastersoft> anyway, I can set manually a bigger resolution, so I'll call it a day
[11:46] <Rastersoft> (I hope that I used that expression right :-D )
[11:46] <Rastersoft> KBar Thanks for your help!
[11:48] <KBar> anyway, they should match each other. heres how i fixed it. 1) boot into old kernel 2) `apt purge linux-headers-5.19.0-15 linux-modules-extra-5.19.0-15-generic linux-image-5.19.0-15-generic linux-headers-5.19.0-15-generic linux-modules-5.19.0-15-generic` 3) download previous version of linux-hardware from lp and install via `sudo dpkg -i`: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/20220819.git8413c63c-0ubuntu2/+build/24299
[11:48] <KBar> 318/+files/linux-firmware_20220819.git8413c63c-0ubuntu2_all.deb 4) download previous version of all linux-* packages that APT upgraded and run `sudo dpkg -i` on them as well, in my case there were 4 of them: linux-headers-generic, linux-generic, linux-image-generic, linux-libc-dev. they're available on lp: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu (i think they're meta packages so maybe this step is redundant but i did it anyway). dont forget to
[11:48] <KBar>  update-initramfs if it didnt.
[11:49] <KBar> for some reason `sudo apt install package=version` didn't work so had to find and install these packages manually
[13:09] <luna__> got an answer from jbicha
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[15:03] <Rastersoft> Hi again:
[15:06] <Rastersoft> I'm installing Kinetic in VirtualBox, and if I check the "use privative drivers" part, it hangs when it boots for the first time.
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