[00:21] <nyo> oerheks, I tried even this https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3051821.html?sid=afae2eda32875995ae33027215340ca8#3051821
[00:58] <henrique> BR?
[02:40] <gebbione> hi folks, i am trying to understand how a software got installed as i dont see it through the ubuntu package manager nor it is installed with snap but it is there.
[02:40] <gebbione> I have /usr/bin/slack -> ../lib/slack/slack
[02:41] <gebbione> but i dont remember how i got it there
[02:41] <gebbione> maybe with a deb installation
[02:41] <gebbione> but how do I uninstall it correctly given that i cannot do it with apt
[02:41] <sarnold> try dpkg -S /usr/lib/slack/  and see if that gives any results
[02:42] <gebbione> do i just remove the /usr/lib/slack folder ?
[02:42] <gebbione> it gives me -> slack-desktop: /usr/lib/slack
[02:42] <sarnold> cool, try apt purge slack-desktop
[02:43] <gebbione> it worked, thank you
[02:43] <gebbione> let see if i can install one with snap now
[03:14] <gebbione> what annoys me with snap is that it looks like stuff is hidden
[03:14] <gebbione> where are the actual installation files kept?
[03:14] <gebbione> i had a look around but cannot see a folder with its library content
[03:17] <ravage> gebbione, https://snapcraft.io/docs/data-locations#heading--system
[03:24] <gebbione> thank but i think what i was looking for is https://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-format
[03:25] <gebbione> it is linked from that page
[03:28] <ravage> that was not your question but im glad you found an answer
[05:25] <alkisg> nyo_: UTC+3 here, I'm online now if you still have issues
[06:37] <dw1> is there a way to programmatically read current system notifications
[06:45] <dw1> i guess dbus-monitor "interface='org.freedesktop.Notifications'"
[06:47] <fenix_vd> hi guys
[06:59] <scooterman222> hi
[07:00] <forgotmynick> I want to get samba setup so I can do windows file versioning. With shadow_copy2 docs say I need to use a file system capable of snapshotting. The server will contain files that change infrequently so I’d like to make sure I get a ‘version’ every time someone modifies a file. With btrfs I’d need to manually/script a snapshot. Is there a way to do this automatically?
[07:07] <ravage> forgotmynick, https://medium.com/@Dylan.Wang/how-to-use-zfs-zfs-auto-snapshot-package-samba-to-support-windows-shadow-copy-on-ubuntu-18-04-15001c9580fc
[07:51] <Guest53> https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=7137538439457445826&hl=en_US&gl=US
[08:14] <dreamon> trying to start "mii-tool" from terminal. "No interface specified" .. all examples work without specify a interface. manpage I dont unterstand really what option do I have to use?
[08:55] <ajay_> hi
[08:55] <johnau> i've accidentally filled up my main drive, 0 bytes free, by running a docker image that exploded in size once it was running... what can I do to get space back so the system can function (cant remove programs because logs cant be written)
[08:56] <nikolam> it seems I can not set the default option in GRUB to boot. Whenever I set it and dot update-grub it again asks for the first, Ubuntu option. Would like to set other OS as default for now and have an option to change it.
[08:56] <nikolam> Xubuntu 22.04 LTS , updated.
[08:58] <nikolam> as I understand, I am free to edit /etc/default/grub and it's changes should be reflected after update-grub?
[08:59] <nikolam> I have found that script " awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg " lists grub options
[09:01] <nikolam> and that grub-set-default should set default option in grub to boot from
[09:04] <nikolam> I have set it to 5 as GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 in /etc/default/grub and did update-grub and will see if that will have effect
[09:05] <nikolam> maybe beside update-grub I also needed to issue grub-install /dev/sda afterward.. let's see.
[09:08] <nikolam> It's all the same. changes in /etc/default/grub for default boot option are not reflected after reboot , after update-grub and grub-install..
[09:10] <nikolam> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved and GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true also did not work when set in /etc/default/grub
[09:11] <CatalinS> Can you please help with an issue related to apt ?
[09:11] <Habbie> CatalinS, just ask your question
[09:14] <santosh> join #r/linux
[09:15] <CatalinS> There is this output: https://pastebin.com/Z3CnzYnc following these commands being run by a provision script in packer inside ADO: https://pastebin.com/vQevNAyi
[09:15] <CatalinS> any idea what could be causing that file not to exist ?
[09:15] <CatalinS> 2022-09-09T08:06:58.6917933Z [0;36m azure2: Get:48 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/multiverse amd64 c-n-f Metadata [508 B][0m
[09:15] <CatalinS> 2022-09-09T08:07:05.1807751Z [1;31m==> azure2: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal_multiverse_cnf_Commands-amd64 - open (2: No such file or directory)[0m
[09:17] <CatalinS> I know not how this can be fixed, other than maybe disabling multiverse.
[09:42] <CatalinS> it's ubuntu 20.04
[10:45] <cuppls> Hi there! I have some funny problems that I live with since a couple of years. The 1st one: I cannot change my brightness at startup, I only can change it after closing my laptop and re-open it
[10:46] <cuppls> I tried to goole around, but I only found solutions for the opposite problem (people who cannot change brightness after having closed their laptops)
[11:05] <nomicon> how do I set the VC Keymap in Ubuntu 22.04.1 ?
[11:05] <micka-france> Hi, I need help to solve a wake issue from hibernate in 22.04.1 fresh upgrade. Tried : Suspend -> result is ok. Hibernate -> image to swap OK, image restore OK but screen is black. Using a ssh on my phone to the ubuntu pc and firing systemctl suspend then power on, solve the black screen issue.
[11:12] <nomicon> localectl set-keymap broken on 22.04 ?
[11:15] <mncheck> I get this jammy candidate from apt-cache policy: 1:1snap1-0ubuntu2 . how does this work? I get No packages found with apt-cache show 1:1snap1-0ubuntu2 so what is happening here?
[11:21] <luna> found and reported a bug with the design of the new installer
[11:24] <stevenm_> luna, was it titled "Stop this snap madness RIGHT NOW!" ?
[11:25] <luna> stevenm_: nope
[11:25] <stevenm_> aww
[11:37] <Intelo> how to remove calculator app from xubuntu (not ubunut)? how to do it from terminal? what is the name of the gui app?
[11:41] <bluesabre> sudo apt remove mate-calculator
[11:41] <murmel> mncheck: any weird repo enabled which could have a bogus snap package?
[12:00] <jeronimo> my asus laptop drivers need a recent kernel (>=5.17)
[12:00] <jeronimo> what would you recommend?
[12:04] <mncheck> murmel, maybe right, I removed all sources.list.d and now apt-cache show shows pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_1snap1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[12:05] <murmel> mncheck: oh you meant firefox. thought you were talking about snapd itself. yeah those are the debs, which install the snap version of ff
[12:05] <Intelo> bluesabre thanks
[12:06] <jeronimo>  install a mainline kernel? https://linuxhint.com/install-upgrade-latest-kernel-ubuntu-22-04/
[12:06] <mncheck> murmel, I fail to set enterprise TLS CA for the snap and trying to use debian testing firefox-esr
[12:06] <murmel> mncheck: use rather the ppa
[12:06] <murmel> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:07] <murmel> mncheck: ^
[12:07] <murmel> mncheck: they have firefox and firefox-esr
[12:08] <mncheck> murmel, thanks
[12:09] <murmel> mncheck: I really wonder why you would choose debian testing version xD. it would have made more sense to probably use the ff from linuxmint, which at least is the same ubuntu base
[12:09] <mncheck> murmel, any way to make firefox-esr provide a command "firefox"?
[12:10] <murmel> mncheck: alias?
[12:10] <mncheck> murmel, that's why I asked here, it was out of desperation + hope to have more recent firefox than stable
[12:10] <mncheck> murmel, I mean update-alternatives
[12:11] <mncheck> murmel, I think I could probably add an alias to /etc/profile.d/something but that won't work with non-shell execs
[12:12] <murmel> mncheck: sudo update-alternatives --install path/to/symlink command_name path/to/command_binary priority
[12:13] <i_> xnj 'nj
[12:13] <mncheck> murmel, thanks
[13:01] <Teckla> Hey all, just a quick note in case anyone else has been having this problem, under Hyper-V, when I would restart Ubuntu, the screen would go black, and stay black (even though the VM was running)
[13:01] <Teckla> The fix is to switch from Wayland to X
[13:02] <zaggynl> huh, haven't had that usecase before, odd that switching to X solves it
[13:02] <Teckla> Yeah, not sure what's going wrong there, but easy enough fix  :)
[13:10] <tomreyn> you may want a kernel with CONFIG_DRM_HYPERV=y for wayland
[13:15] <JanC> that's probably always a good idea on Hyper-V?
[13:18] <jeronimo> I'm having trouble getting multi channel audio to work on linux. I have the xonar u1. It's recognized but I don't get audio when I switch to optical.
[13:27] <artemis> i'd try to check in pavucontrol (pulseaudio) and aumix (terminal volume control), see if something is on mute or volume @ 0, ... just to be sure you checked. I don't know about optical thingy tho...could be driver related or whatnot.
[13:28] <artemis> ^jeronimo
[13:30] <jeronimo> artemis: I read that but ubuntu recently switched to pipewire. I assumed that those tools don't work on the new backend
[13:31] <oerheks> jeronimo, pipewire? not yet..
[13:31] <oerheks> LTS usually does not introduce new services.
[13:32] <oerheks> next 22.10 will
[13:32] <jeronimo> oerheks: ah I thought kubuntu 22.04 is using pipewire
[13:33] <jeronimo> oerheks: thanks, I will try!
[13:34] <oerheks> there is an extended manual howto install https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/pipewire-replace-pulseaudio-ubuntu-2204/
[13:35] <ogra> flavours might actually have switched in 22.04 ...
[13:36] <ogra> (ubuntu-desktop has not ... but who knows if kubuntu did 🙂 )
[13:36] <oerheks> not Kubuntu, AFAIK
[13:37] <jeronimo> maybe I installed it myself
[13:37] <jeronimo> so I guess it's my fault it's not working then
[13:37] <jeronimo> I just checked systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager
[13:38] <ogra> pipewire is installed by default but only for RDP and such, not for audio
[13:38] <jeronimo> ah k
[13:39] <ogra> so yopu have pipewire, pipewire-bin and pipewire-media-session ... but not pipewire-pulse and pipewire-audio-client-libraries installed by default
[13:40] <jeronimo> I see. what are the chances pipewire would work better?
[13:40] <ogra> for that use-case ? not great i think ...
[13:43] <ogra> jeronimo, did you check with pavucontrol yet ?
[13:43] <mncheck> murmel, do you have something for chromium? it doesn't seem to load ~/.pki/nssdb . like the ppa for firefox?
[13:45] <jeronimo> ogra: yes I did. I also just discovered a TU106 device
[13:45] <jeronimo> apparently it can do 5.1 over hdmi
[13:47] <ogra> mncheck, that path wopnt work, the snap sotres stuff under ~/snap/chromium/current ... (unlike the firefox snap which has full support for that stuff, i dotn think chromium has that bit added)
[13:48] <ogra> mncheck, for firefox there are guides summarized under https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-customize-the-firefox-snap-with-enterprise-policies/23074
[13:54] <jeronimo> @ogra: but then I need to switch to the nvidia driver which overheats the system
[13:55] <ogra> jeronimo, huh ? to use your usb card ?
[13:55] <ogra> that does not need the nvidia driver
[13:56] <jeronimo> no I mean the TU106 device can do 5.1 surround over hdmi
[13:56] <ogra> ah, right ... but you wanted to get the xonar to work
[13:56] <jeronimo> when I use my dedicated gtx 2060 graphics card
[13:56] <ogra> yeah
[13:56] <jeronimo> ogra: yeah sorry got sidetracked
[13:58]  * jeronimo is installing aumix
[13:58] <ogra> well, do you see your xonar in "cat /proc/asound/cards" ?
[13:59] <jeronimo> yes
[14:00] <ogra> and in pavucontrol in the "Configuration" tab ?
[14:00] <jeronimo> C-Media Electronics Inc. USB Advanced Audio Device at usb-0000:04:00.4-1.1, ful
[14:00] <jeronimo> yes
[14:00] <mncheck> ogra, thanks, I was planning to do away with snaps and installed https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa now I am trying to do something for chromium and if I knew a ppa for chromium I would do the same
[14:01] <mncheck> ogra, I mean currently I am configuring chromium, not firefox anymore
[14:01] <ogra> mncheck, well, the PPA is perhaps fine for home use, but note that it is a test-build PPA, there is no guarantee it will stay around
[14:01] <ogra> i'd not use it for any business
[14:02] <mncheck> ogra, first I tried to use debian testing and murmel recommended this ppa
[14:03] <ogra> well ... the only officially supported package is the snap ... all else is up to you ...
[14:03] <mncheck> ogra, with debian testing I can install firefox-esr/testing but I'm not sure how to apt_preferences it in a way that is future-proof for broken dependency resolution
[14:03] <mncheck> I mean when updates appear
[14:04] <ogra> you should indeed never mix debian and ubuntu packages .... that will definitely end in tears
[14:04] <ogra> (library versions differ ... all of a sudden ubuntu libs get replaced by debian libs due to some dependencies etc etc)
[14:04] <jeronimo> brb
[14:05] <mncheck> ogra, I thought proper apt_preferences could fix that
[14:05] <mncheck> (not that I know the right preferences)
[14:07] <ogra> mncheck, that wont help, simply dont mix distros ...
[14:08] <ogra> since we import from debian, the package names are all the same but the binaries are built completely different
[14:08] <ogra> (and are at different versions)
[14:38] <Milencho> what could be the reason with pci-e wifi ax210 to have lower speed for download compare to upload
[14:39] <Milencho> with windows it's fine (almost max)
[14:39] <Milencho> ubuntu 22.04.1 lts
[14:39] <Milencho> kernel is 5.15
[14:48] <jeronimo> did anyone get multi channel audio to work with nvidia TU106(HDMI), usb xonar U1(optical cabel), and the renoir amd(hdmi)
[14:48] <jeronimo> ot*
[14:49] <jeronimo> or*
[14:51] <ogra> the usb oe shoudl just work if you pick the digital-out in pavucontrol
[14:51] <ogra> s/oe/one/
[14:55] <jeronimo> ogra: yeah the renoid hdmi device does work only not with the 5.1 surround sound profile
[14:55] <jeronimo> renoir*
[15:10] <tomreyn> Milencho: the power saving configuration; it's firmware.
[15:10] <tomreyn> i mean the firmware that's loaded. and the driver would be potential cause #3.
[15:19] <jeronimo> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-5.19.5-051905-generic with 1
[15:20] <jeronimo> I switched to the latest mainline kernel
[15:20] <jeronimo> and then switched to nvidia drivers and got this error
[15:21] <jeronimo> I need the newest kernel for my hardware to work properly
[15:21] <jeronimo> do I need to switch to another distro with a newer kernel?
[15:23] <oerheks> 5.19 is unsupported on 22.04, you could try 22.10 beta ..
[15:24] <oerheks> !next
[15:26] <jeronimo> oerheks: ok thanks
[15:27] <ogra> jeronimo, note that the mainline kernels are solely for testing and bug verification, they are lacking a lot of (security) patches, do not use the ubuntu config and do never get updated if you install them ... you will hit problems with using such a kernel
[15:29]  * ogra points to https😕/wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds ... "These kernels are not supported and are not appropriate for production use. " ...
[15:29] <ogra> hmpf ... silly emoji plugin
[15:35] <mncheck> jammy, how do I extend the default groups for new users?
[15:35] <jeronimo> ogra: thx
[15:35] <jeronimo> for the warning
[15:38] <rfm> mncheck, there's /etc/adduser.confm EXTRA_GROUPS, at least for users added with adduser.  (I don't know if any of the GUI user dialogs use adduser, though.)
[15:39] <leftyfb> rfm: I was just about to post that. My google-fu wasn't as quick this morning :)
[15:39] <anddam> howdy, I disabled gdm service using "sudo systemctl disable gdm"
[15:40] <anddam> now I am not able to enable it and having gdm start at system boot by default
[15:40] <stevenm_> am I right in thinking that... https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer ... isn't a fork/continuation of ... https://launchpad.net/ubiquity
[15:40] <anddam> currently "systemctl | grep -i gdm" has no output
[15:40] <leftyfb> anddam: what issue do you get when you try to enable it again?
[15:41] <stevenm_> i.e. "ubuntu-desktop-installer" (what a vague name) doesn't borrow anything from the debian-installer / parman (unlike Ubiquity which does)
[15:41] <stevenm_> also is Canonical abandoning launchpad for github now?
[15:42] <anddam> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/e5wr
[15:42] <stevenm_> ah crap I'm not in #ubuntu-devel - my bad!
[15:42] <johnfg> hi folks
[15:42] <luna__> hey
[15:42] <leftyfb> anddam: what version of ubuntu? Why did you disable gdm to begin with?
[15:42] <anddam> 22.04
[15:43] <anddam> because it is running in qemu and at times I had a blank screen in the viewer, but the system was still running
[15:43] <leftyfb> anddam: apt-cache policy gdm3
[15:43] <anddam> I think this was related to some power saving mode, so booting the system and letting it stay at the gdm prompt would trigger this
[15:43] <johnfg> I needed/wanted to install dropbox on 22.04 for some files too large for thunderbird.  https://itslinuxfoss.com/install-dropbox-ubuntu-22-04/ shows it available, but I don't see it through the gui, nor does apt search dropbox find it.
[15:43] <anddam> anyway I resolved to disable gdm and use startx
[15:43] <mncheck> rfm, I decomment EXTRA_GROUPS would it keep ubuntu default extra groups... I don't want to loose ubuntu extra groups but extend them
[15:44] <johnfg> Has something changed so that I need to install it manually?
[15:44] <anddam> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/8v2e
[15:44] <mncheck> if ubuntu update changes the default groups I want to go with the change, but have my own local extra groups appended...
[15:44] <ioria> anddam,  sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target  and reboot
[15:45] <leftyfb> mncheck: it will keep the defaults
[15:45] <anddam> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/default.target → /lib/systemd/system/graphical.target.
[15:45] <rfm> mncheck, the way I read the adduser.conf man page, you have to set EXTRA_GROUPS to the full list (the man page has the default list)
[15:45] <ioria> and reboot
[15:45] <mncheck> the same goes for dconf favirote-apps. I created a /etc/dconf/db/something.d/00-favorite-apps but now the ubuntu default apps are lost. I don't know how can I just extend the default apps.
[15:45] <anddam> ioria: no changes
[15:46] <anddam> ioria: I mean after rebooting
[15:46] <anddam> i.e. gdm did not start, trying to enable it returns the same error message
[15:46] <leftyfb> rfm: that's not true. The EXTRA_GROUPS is only the list of additional groups you want to add. You do not need to add the full list of defaults in there
[15:46] <anddam> not error, just message
[15:46] <ioria> anddam, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[15:46] <mncheck> leftyfb, man adduser says there is also /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local and I would like adduser to merge whatever the distro says and my EXTRA_GROUPS perhaps from adduser.local
[15:47] <leftyfb> mncheck: /usr/local/sbin is empty by default in ubuntu
[15:48] <anddam> question: if I enable gdm by hand I see Xwayland being run, is this what I'd get with a default Ubuntu 22 install?
[15:48] <anddam> ioria: gdm.service is not active, cannot reload.
[15:48] <anddam> I started the service and tried again
[15:48] <ioria> and ?
[15:48] <anddam> ioria: go no output at all
[15:49] <anddam> https://termbin.com/1wnt
[15:49] <mncheck> leftyfb, yes but https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/adduser.8.html#files it says adduser.local I don't understand it suggesting an executable but what should it do
[15:49] <mncheck> maybe I create a script what is it doing
[15:49] <leftyfb> mncheck: just modify /etc/adduser.conf as you need
[15:49] <mncheck> will it be called?
[15:49] <mncheck> leftyfb, ok
[15:49] <ioria> anddam, please, again   sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[15:50] <anddam> and reboot, I guess
[15:50] <anddam> that exited with 0
[15:50] <ioria> yep
[15:50] <anddam> just a moment, need to complete running a program
[15:50] <mncheck> anyone about extending dconf favorite-apps defaults?
[15:50] <ioria> ok
[15:51] <anddam> back the Xwayland question, my issue was trying a Qt program on wayland, it suddenly worked after I started manually the graphical session, then I figured that start is actually starting… X
[15:51] <anddam> so I wanted to go back to gdm to use "Ubuntu default" that I gather is wayland nowadays, but now the Qt app works and I see the server is Xwayland
[15:52] <anddam> is this always the case in Ubuntu 22 or a default installation would use just Wayland without the X compatibility layer?
[15:57] <tomreyn> anddam: ubuntu 22.04 (but not kubuntu 22.04) defaults to wayland unless nvidia proprietary drivers are used.
[15:58] <tomreyn> (it possibly also falls back to X for nouveau, not sure)
[15:59] <mncheck> leftyfb, thanks for the help. I added EXTRA_GROUPS in /etc/adduser.conf and logged in with a new user. pam_mkhomedir.so is enabled and I logged in with an sssd-ad user. if in terminal I type groups I cannot see the extra groups I added. is this not using adduser? I created a usre with sudo adduser something. if I su -l something and then type groups I cannot see the EXTRA_GROUPS. I only had #ADD_EXTRA_GROUPS=1.  I uncommented and the adduser... now
[15:59] <mncheck> adds the group but it didn't add what was listed as defaults in the comment of ubuntu distribution. but the sssd-ad user still didn't get the groups. I think the setting wasn't extended but overwritten and that this pam stack wouldn't use adduser.
[16:02] <oerheks> adduser vs useradd ..
[16:03] <mncheck> hm
[16:05] <mncheck> also, I found /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*.overrides files installed which set the favorite-apps according to glib-compile-schemas, however I don't want to set them but just extend them, how can I do that?
[16:35] <backthen> The Ubuntu software store app doesn't open for me. I just see the OS's top bar attempting to open it for a few seconds. Anything to diagnose?
[16:36] <mncheck> according to group.conf in libpam-modules package I could give users groups with pam_group in the pam stack...
[16:47] <oerheks> backthen, did you run updates lately?
[16:51] <backthen> oerheks: yes I just attempted the commands given by top answer here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231932/ubuntu-software-doesnt-open-in-ubuntu-20-04
[16:52] <oerheks> sudo killall snap-store && sudo snap refresh snap-store
[16:52] <oerheks> but make sure you are updated
[16:56] <backthen> says 'snap-store: no process found'
[16:56] <backthen> I thought the Ubuntu default store is different from Snap store
[16:57] <oerheks> it is, on 22.04 ..
[16:59] <backthen> Oh I'm on 20.0.4.5
[17:02] <realivanjx> is there a way to make samba and nautilus faster? i only get like 40 MBps with nautilus. with windows 10 vm (virtualbox nat) on same machine i can get 80-90 MBps
[17:09] <backthen> Given that it's company machine, could IT be preventing access to the Ubuntu store? Don't know how friendly is Linux for installing big brother IT apps
[17:10] <scooterman222> how does linux communicate from the kernel to the actual physical hard disk
[17:17] <oerheks> scooterman222, interesting question ..
[17:18] <oerheks> examine the kernel source?
[17:18] <scooterman222> even if it's a little odd, or full of technical jargon i'd never understand- i'd be interested in reading about the processes involved with that, if just for the poetry.
[17:19] <oerheks> How would that be ubuntu support related?
[17:19] <oerheks> join #ubuntu-offtopic for that poetry
[17:21] <oerheks> backthen, so if you kill gnome-software, does it solve?
[17:36] <backthen> oerheks: hmm interestingly an update notification popped up asking to install/upgrade Snapstore. Perhaps the earlier commands worked. This had never happened before
[17:36] <oerheks> ah good
[17:36] <oerheks> that is why i asked you to update, one reason software center is borking
[17:41] <johnfg> ?
[17:46] <nyo_> alkisg, are you there?
[17:47] <nyo_> is there someone that can help me to fix a modeline on my xorg.conf?
[17:48] <oerheks> nyo_, if you have not tested it without KVM, i am out.
[17:49] <nyo_> ok anyway I have the solution with xrand
[17:49] <nyo_> it just doesn't take the modeline from xorg
[17:49] <oerheks> .. and certainly on Kubuntu
[17:50] <nyo_> yes kubuntu
[17:50] <nyo_> should I switch to #kubuntu?
[17:50] <nyo_> here anyway the pastebin of my xorg https://pastebin.com/SiABCjJu
[17:52] <croberts> is kubuntu as stable as gnome?
[17:52] <nyo_> I prefer the menus of kde
[17:53] <nyo_> I cannot stand activities button
[17:53] <oerheks> croberts, pretty much yes
[17:53] <nyo_> to switch windows
[17:53] <croberts> cool ty
[17:54] <nyo_> btw I will see to find a better kvm
[17:54] <nyo_> oerheks,
[17:57] <Milencho> tomreyn, what can i do about the drivers
[17:57] <Milencho> i think it's a bit shitty - latest drivers (kernel 5.15)
[17:57] <Milencho> and download speed is ....
[17:57] <nyo_> fount a good kvm here  :-) https://www.aten.com/it/it/products/kvm/switch-kvm-per-rack/cs1308/
[17:58] <Milencho> any suggestions - intel PCI-E AX210 - but download speed is horrible
[17:58] <Milencho> 5.530358] iwlwifi 0000:29:00.0: loaded firmware version 66.f1c864e0.0 ty-a0-gf-a0-66.ucode op_mode iwlmvm
[18:46] <jhutchins> Milencho: Network drivers generally work or don't work, there aren't "hot rod" drivers that are faster than the standard ones.
[18:48] <jhutchins> Milencho: You could check the messages from network manager to see what it's negotiating; check dmesg or journalctl to see what the system thinks is happening.
[18:48] <rob0> When I had ADSL some years back, what I would do to speed things up: I would get out and push!
[18:48] <jhutchins> WiFi performance is almost always controlled by signal strength and quality.
[18:52] <jhutchins> Milencho: Download speeds can be affected by storage speed.  What kind of free RAM do you have?  What kind of "disk" storage?
[19:08] <Milencho> justache, i have 32 gb ram
[19:08] <Milencho> avaiable 27
[19:09] <Milencho> jhutchins, strange that with usb dongle i can reach the normal speed
[19:09] <Milencho> on the phone is ok , also on windows laptop (but different pci)
[19:10] <jhutchins> Milencho: Which kernel are you on?
[19:11] <Milencho> 5.15
[19:12] <Milencho> strange is that upload is double to download on every speed test
[19:12] <Milencho> upload is almost on max speed
[19:23] <jhutchins> Milencho: Theoretical upload speeds are the same as download, usually limited by your carrier.
[19:24] <Milencho> jhutchins, agree
[19:24] <Milencho> but now sure what could be the reason
[19:25] <Milencho> i will change the slot (pretty sure that will not help) but ...
[19:30] <Milencho> jhutchins, just checked on 2.4 ghz i have better speed :_D
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> !ping
[20:19] <arraybolt3> arraybolt3[m]: test
[20:27] <bray90820> Is there a way to check in ther terminal if an app has an update without installing it
[20:27] <bray90820> Spesifically the snap store
[20:28] <jhutchins> bray90820:
[20:29] <jhutchins> bray90820: Not sure which option goes with with which tool (apt aptitude apt-get) but there's a dru-run or noop option on all of them.
[20:29] <jhutchins> bray90820: I know under most conditions the system will prompt you y/n to install.
[20:29] <bray90820> Yeah I am scripting it thio
[20:29] <jhutchins> bray90820: Also, "!info <pkg>" should give the current version.
[20:29] <oerheks> apt list --upgradable
[20:30] <bray90820> Kinda wanted to do it headless
[20:30] <oerheks> so easy to find...
[20:30] <jhutchins> There's also --download-only
[20:31] <bray90820> oerheks: Thanks
[20:32] <oerheks> that is what you see if you run apt update https://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/update-package-cache-ubuntu-800x461.png
[20:33] <bray90820> oerheks: Oh that might not work for the snap store
[20:33] <oerheks> snap refesh something?
[20:35] <toddc> snap refresh will update all snaps that are not running
[20:35] <bray90820> oerheks: I am talking about the snap store itself not the snap apps
[20:36] <toddc> I.E. snao store runs all the time unless you kill it
[20:36] <oerheks> snap store is a snap itself, no?
[20:37] <bray90820> Yes
[20:37] <toddc> yes but it is always running
[20:37] <oerheks> and if you want to include ALL apps in your script, you need to make 2 lines
[20:37] <bray90820> No
[20:37] <oerheks> sudo killall snap-store && sudo snap refresh snap-store
[20:38] <oerheks> no?
[20:38] <bray90820> oerheks: Correct but before I do that I want to see if an update is needed
[20:38] <bray90820> I don't wanna kill it if I don't need to
[20:39] <oerheks> for snap, no clue
[20:39] <oerheks> what have you found sofar?
[20:39] <bray90820> I'm looking and not really finding anything sadly
[20:43] <oerheks> snaps will update automaticly anyway
[20:43] <oerheks> :-D
[20:43] <oerheks> snaps are good
[20:44] <oerheks> polo___, fix your connection
[20:46] <krytarik> bray90820: Apparently there is "snap refresh --list" - would that work?
[20:47] <bray90820> krytarik: No
[20:47] <krytarik> Why not specifically?
[20:47] <bray90820> I'm looking to update the snap store not individual snap apps
[20:48] <oerheks> sudo snap refresh snap-store
[20:48] <bray90820> I wanna check if there is an update before updateing it
[20:48] <oerheks> nope.
[20:49] <bray90820> Whah do you mean by nope
[20:49] <leftyfb> bray90820: snap info snap-store
[20:49] <leftyfb> that will tell you the available versions
[20:50] <leftyfb> bray90820: mind you, unless you have manually configured snap to put off updates for up to 90 days, snaps will update on their own without your intervention
[20:50] <bray90820> leftyfb: Ooohhh Thanks
[20:51] <bray90820> That is exactly what I wanted Thanks
[20:52] <oerheks> good spot ... why did i not find that
[20:53] <bray90820> Hey I didn't find it ether
[21:08] <anddam> tomreyn: sorry for the late reply, would a "default" wayland session show /usr/bin/Xwayland process? I see a gdm-wayland-session process as well
[21:09] <anddam> ah I see the bottom-right gdm setting popup menu showing "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu on Xorg"
[21:12] <murmel> anddam: Xwayland is there to run legacy stuff. ubuntu on xorg runs the actual x server
[21:23] <rachdooo> hi
[21:23] <luna__>  hi
[21:30] <Scotty_Trees> is this the correct channel for a quick support question?
[21:30] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Yep.
[21:30] <Scotty_Trees> ok thanks.
[21:30] <Scotty_Trees> I've uninstalled Libreoffice on 22.04 so I can install LibreOffice Fresh via their official ppa
[21:31] <Scotty_Trees> after I go to remove libreoffice, no issue there, but when I run autoremove, it wants to remove 74 packages
[21:31] <Scotty_Trees> my question is, is it okay to autoremove this 74 packages: https://i.ibb.co/5FbxkcT/Screenshot-from-2022-09-09-17-29-04.png
[21:32] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Oh don't do that.
[21:32] <Scotty_Trees> that's why I came here to ask :)
[21:32] <arraybolt3> A lot of that stuff just looks like LibreOffice stuff, but you're about to lose some fonts, too.
[21:32] <arraybolt3> Install LibreOffice Fresh first, then try autoremove and show us the list then.
[21:32] <Scotty_Trees> i have the ubuntu restricted extras package as well, fyi
[21:33] <Scotty_Trees> arraybolt3, yeah that was my first thinking, I just wanted to make sure.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Good thinking. If it wasn't for the fonts, I would risk it, but to be clear, it would be a risk. But with the fonts involved too, no. Don't do that. People use fonts. :)
[21:33] <Scotty_Trees> i did remove libreoffice and did run apt clean, so is a reboot needed or just go ahead and install the ppa of LibreOffice Fresh?
[21:37] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Eh, you can reboot just in case.
[21:37] <Scotty_Trees> yeah no worries, will do, thanks. brb
[21:58] <phonixgeist> hey guys... question.. in Ubuntu 22.04 is there a way to have two independent docks?
[21:59] <murmel> not that I know of
[22:00] <phonixgeist> murmel, jmm... or something similar to a dock?
[22:01] <phonixgeist> I want to have a separate "bar/dock" for some special apps...
[22:02] <Scotty_Trees> arraybolt3, installed the ppa and then after a update and a reboot installed apt install libreoffice
[22:02] <Scotty_Trees> thought i was going to get libreoffice 7.4, but I'm still on 7.3, welp!
[22:02] <murmel> phonixgeist: I am not sure if you can run ubuntu dock and dock to dash (or any other dock) at the same time
[22:02] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Nice, and... crummy.
[22:02] <murmel> Scotty_Trees: isn't it called libreoffice-fresh?
[22:02] <oerheks> Scotty_Trees, LO 7.4 has not even arrived in snapstore yet
[22:03] <Scotty_Trees> omg did I install the wrong package, that is something I would do
[22:03] <murmel> Scotty_Trees: but when I look at the ppa, there is no 7.4
[22:04] <cbreak> phonixgeist: it's possible if you install kde :/
[22:04] <cbreak> but you might not want that
[22:04] <phonixgeist> cbreak, why I wouldnt?
[22:04] <Scotty_Trees> hmm, the flatpak is already at 7.4, not sure why the ppa version wouldn't be as well
[22:05] <cbreak> because it'd replace your whole desktop environment
[22:05] <cbreak> well, not really replace, but you have to chose between kde plasma and the other ones you have installed at login time
[22:05] <murmel> Scotty_Trees: maybe they have packaging issues. who knows
[22:05] <phonixgeist> cbreak, not good indeed..
[22:05] <arraybolt3> Installing multiple DEs *can* go horribly wrong.
[22:05]  * cbreak likes KDE
[22:06] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Maybe try this? https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/?type=deb-x86_64&version=7.4.0&lang=en-US
[22:06] <arraybolt3> If it looks like it's going to shred your system somehow, don't let it install, just FYI. Sometimes packages can be messed up and cause problems like that.
[22:07] <Scotty_Trees> arraybolt3, yah i prob should've done it that way first, but always preferred the terminal approach first
[22:07] <oerheks> ' candidate' .. at your own risk https://snapcraft.io/libreoffice
[22:09] <phonixgeist> I found floating dock... is good but it's not an independent dock.. is basically a copy of the dock...
[22:09] <Scotty_Trees> I used libreoffice-fresh on EndeavourOS for over a year, personally never had any issues
[22:18] <jhutchins> breoffice
[22:19] <jhutchins> !info libreoffice
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !fnfo sdl
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl2
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl2-dev
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> hmm
[22:24] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl-dev
[22:24] <DynamiteDan> not lucky
[22:24] <oerheks> use the bot in PM, please
[22:24] <DynamiteDan> ah okay. Sorry
[22:24] <oerheks> try !find
[22:24] <sarnold> or try apt-cache search
[22:24] <oerheks> that would do too
[22:25] <oerheks> run apt update and go wild
[22:25] <jhutchins> I wonder what magical wonders the newer version has brought to us mere mortals.
[22:25] <UNIX> https://github.com/kritiksoman/GIMP-ML trying to get this installed and I get problems when I try to get sudo apt install python python-cairo python-gobject-2
[22:25] <oerheks> 7.4 is a major point, they wrote
[22:26] <oerheks> not sure exactly why, but it was released aug 18?
[22:27] <oerheks> UNIX that might need python2, which is obsolete
[22:27] <sarnold> UNIX: try this instead? https://github.com/kritiksoman/GIMP-ML/tree/GIMP3-ML
[22:27] <oerheks> one could install it, but why?
[22:27] <oerheks> oh, [June 2] GIMP3-ML branch development started.
[22:27] <UNIX> Ok
[22:39] <UNIX> I did that and have no idea if it is installed. gimp doesn't have the new option in layers menu