[00:08] I just tried running Libre Office Calc and it won't run. Anyone else seeing this? This was on a new installation of Ubuntu Studio [00:13] Ricardus: what happens when you run it from a terminal window? [00:13] it gives me a java error or something. Here, let me do it [00:13] !paste | Ricardus [00:13] Ricardus: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:15] tomreyn: it wasnt a java error. Heres the terminal output: https://dpaste.com/27NDUDS6P [00:19] Ricardus: that's a warning, it's possibly a side effect of the underlying issue, which we have not yet determined. [00:19] if you think it can be a problem with your system users' configurations for libeoffice, you can run lcalc --safe-mode which will make it start temporarily with a fresh user profile and helps to restore a broken configuration. [00:21] tomreyn: same console errors. If anyone else has any ideas please post them and I will see them in the morning. I need to get home. [00:26] Ricardus: make sure you have package default-jre installed. and maybe describe how you installed libreoffice-calc (unless it was installed as part of installing ubuntustudio) [00:56] wow hello ubuntu [00:56] irc!!!! [00:57] is anyone here [00:58] BRO [00:58] IS ANYONE HERE [00:58] penderdrill: this is a support channel. Do you need help with ubuntu? [00:58] y6es [00:58] i forget what the advantage of using a swapfile is [00:58] isn't is just like [00:58] extra ram [00:59] penderdrill: if you have a modern pc with at least 16gb of member, you don't need swap [00:59] yeah that's what i thouight [00:59] i used to have like a 2 ghz cpu [00:59] and i was running linux mint [00:59] 4 gb of ram or something [00:59] it was painful man. [01:00] i was tryna run it for a script [01:00] because i couldnt actually run a virtual machine on my main pc LOL [01:00] i had like 8 gb of ram and a terrible graphics card [01:01] penderdrill: if you'd like to just chat, feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic [01:01] penderdrill: we try to keep this channel specific to support questions and help [01:06] clarkk: i think i want to partially withdraw the suggestion for zsync i made previously. it is certainly helpful if you have, for example, a copy of the ubuntu 22.04.*0* iso and want to upgrade this to 22.04.1. but i just tried zsync from a 20.04.2 iso to 22.04.1 and this only saved me 1.5% of the download, while calculating what's missing took 21 minutes. So it's probably not useful for *this* use case. [01:11] clarkk: a better streategy may be to install using debootstrap (but that's complicated) or using the server installer (which is a much smaller download - but you would need to download more later) === M4he is now known as mahe === Scotty_Trees3 is now known as Scotty_Trees [02:03] Hi [02:03] How can I assign a static ip on ubuntu? [03:01] !interfaces [03:02] Sigh. /etc/network/interfaces still works, it'll cause Network-Manager to ignore it. === brassado is now known as sam_sepi0l [03:45] or use netplan. it should work wihtout bugging out on just a static ip [03:51] mybalzitch I think I missed your first message [03:52] mybalzitch I reverted to the old netplan and did apply als well but I still do not get the internet. I do get LAN ip though [03:54] this was just in reply to "how to assign a static ip" [03:55] are you setting a default route? [03:55] and dns server? [03:55] ok, how can I revert to workign dhcp? [03:55] mybalzitch no I changed my mind. I just want my internet back now [03:55] Intelo: restore the backup you made of the netplan config file [03:56] https://netplan.io/examples [04:03] mybalzitch this https://imgur.com/nWKkDNe.png was working before. I made changes, then reverted back. did 'sudo netplan apply'. Now I wonder why I get the ip 192...46 but no interent. I get 'ping google' message as 'Temporary failure in name resolution'. How can I fix this? [04:06] mybalzitch how do I fix ? [04:26] you don't have dns configured [04:27] try a sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd [04:42] mybalzitch thakns [05:44] Good morning! What is a replacement for PuTTY SOCKS5? Something that runs as a service, preferably. What is a replacement for PuTTY SOCKS5? Something that runs as a service, preferably. So I don't need to see the PuTTY-window all day long? I know it's a Windows question but only Linux people use PuTTY, so most Windows users have no clue what I'm talking about.So I don't need to see the PuTTY-window all [05:44] day long? I know it's a Windows question but only Linux people use PuTTY, so most Windows users have no clue what I'm talking about. [05:45] Dunno what happend with this paste. Hope you can read it anyway. [05:48] Rexodus: np, I got it. [05:49] If you want something that runs on Windows, I'm not sure what would do the trick there. It may be true that most Windows users don't know about this sort of thing, but you might just try #windows to see if tech savvy people there know better. [05:49] just minimize the window? [05:55] hi! i ran the command sudo apt-get purge snapd and it deleted half of my programs, is there a way to get them back? [05:56] oerheks: It burns my eyes to see a application filling my taskbar which I don't use. But you gave me an idea. I can move it to the systemcorner. I know there is software for that. Anyway, thanks all for the answers and sry offtopicness :P [05:57] tripp4h: What all programs vanished? Firefox most likely, what else? [05:57] tripp4h, reinstall snapd? [05:57] else, no [05:58] Most likely the programs that vanished were installed as Snaps, and getting rid of snapd would likely also throw your Snap apps out the window (I don't know that for sure, but I'd assume that would happen). [05:58] i get this error trying to reinstall snapd: Err:1 http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-updates/main amd64 snapd amd64 2.51.1+21.04 [05:58] 404 Not Found [IP: 193.166.3.5 80] [05:58] programms might stil be there, arraybolt3 ?? [05:59] Oh no. hirsute? That's an old and EOL release. [05:59] tripp4h, run apt update first [05:59] !eolupgrades [05:59] End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [05:59] (Back up all your data before trying an upgrade, you may just want to do a clean install of Ubuntu 22.04 after backing up to get your system back into a sane state) [05:59] oh hirsute .. upgrade please [06:08] i did this apt-get purge snapd because i couldn't update snap-store in software [06:08] tripp4h, that is because hirsuite is EOL. [06:08] tripp4h: That's probably because your release went end-of-life. Once a release is no longer supported, updates don't come through anymore (at least for apt, presumably for snap also). [06:08] use the eolupgrade wiki [06:09] The only way to fix an end-of-life release is to upgrade to or install a supported release. Otherwise, problems like inability to update things are normal and to be expected. [06:10] If you absolutely have to get back access to your original apps before upgrading, you can *try* to reinstall snapd by changing your /etc/apt/sources.list file to point to the old-releases repo, then you should be able to install snapd. But really, a clean-install would probably be the best idea at this point. [06:10] (The eolupgrades wiki page linked to above has instructions on how to switch to the old-releases repo.) [06:10] do a fresh install, much more fun [06:14] oerheks: i couldn't update snap-store because the task was always running, tried to kill it a few times. [06:15] oerheks: i want to save my configuration files and programs. and other files. [06:23] Hello [06:25] why when i do sudo do-release-upgrade the program cannot find all the files for the update? [06:26] tripp4h, after the old-releases trick? [06:26] Why did it happen to me? [06:26] dpkg: error: error executing hook 'if { test "$DPKG_HOOK_ACTION" = add-architecture || test "$DPKG_HOOK_ACTION" = remove-architecture; } && test -x /usr/share/pkg-config-dpkghook; then /usr/share/pkg-config-dpkghook update; fi', exit code 4 [06:28] tripp4h: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades - it explains how to get around that problem. And also, **back up your data before you do this.** [06:28] arraybolt3: I know this but [06:28] scribz, on what ubuntu version, and what did you do? [06:28] How the fuck can I see the log [06:29] scribz, oh please, keep teh language in this channel family friendly, thanks [06:29] oerheks: 22.04 LTS [06:29] oerheks: here's a paste of it: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/pKvKW4JZhj/ [06:30] oerheks: I need to see the logs but when kernel panic happens there is no logs [06:32] tripp4h, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? [06:34] oerheks: how the fuck can i see the fucking logs [06:35] scribz: If you've hit a kernel panic, you probably aren't going to be able to see the logs since they won't have been saved to disk. If your system works normally after a reboot, then good. If not, then you should try to boot from a live USB. And if that doesn't work, your hardware may be failing, in which case a RAM test would be the next thing to do. [06:35] arraybolt3: I know such fucking simple things [06:35] I don't know what happen after upgrading [06:36] But first of all I had "illegal function" then I finalised the upgrade from chroot [06:36] scribz: Sorry, that's all the answer I have. This happens every time you try to update? (Also, please, your language is making this painful for the users in this room. I get that this is upsetting and annoying, and I do want to help you fix it.) [06:36] pnbeast: Man it is good, but it happens automatically when I was upgrading debian ... please rant over there, thanks [06:37] arraybolt3: It happen from nowhere in the past I had problems with some vars in shell (by default) [06:38] oerheks: It happen "itself" [06:38] scribz: So it just randomly happened and now is gone? [06:39] Or is it happening regularly when you try to do something and is still obstructing your work? [06:40] First I got "illegal fuction" and I think it's due to this -> [06:40] Unpacking libc6:amd64 (2.31-13+deb11u4) over (2.31-13+deb11u3) ... [06:40] dpkg: error: error executing hook 'if { test "$DPKG_HOOK_ACTION" = add-architecture || test "$DPKG_HOOK_ACTION" = remove-architecture; } && test -x /usr/share/pkg-config-dpkghook; then /usr/share/pkg-config-dpkghook update; fi', exit code 4 [06:40] Now I did the chroot [06:41] I'm not a dumb, basically I would have to set up gentoo or even LFS [06:42] oerheks: here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Jpy66dTstB/ [06:42] But I want to keep the install because I don't have the internet connection all the time [06:43] arraybolt3: ? [06:43] tripp4h: There's your problem. You need to change fi.archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com all through that file. You can do that by running "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and then editing the file by hand. [06:43] oerheks: ? [06:44] arraybolt3: it's so simple to solve my "kernel" errors [06:44] scribz, you are not using ubuntu, so no help [06:44] scribz: I still can't understand what's gone wrong. Please explain - are you able to reliably reproduce this issue by doing the same thing again? [06:44] scribz: Also, what OS are you using? [06:44] oerheks: normally i'd stab you with a knife man, you're really annoying [06:44] arraybolt3: debian [06:45] tripp4h, you did that wrong, you need to edit current lines to old-releases.. [06:45] !ops [06:45] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant [06:45] !ops | scribz is using highly unacceptable language [06:45] scribz is using highly unacceptable language: Please see above [06:45] now please leave yourslef, thanks [06:46] tripp4h: Apologies for the chaos, if you could wait for a bit while things stabilize, we can get back to helping your upgrade work. (Or if you want, we can keep working through this, but things may be a bit hectic.) [06:47] tripp4h, else you can start over with the original sources.list > /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list [06:48] ubottu: because scribz left the jail in Jan of 2022 [06:49] tobybl: kurwa slyszysz [06:49] tripp4h: nie wiem co mi sie zjebalo kurwa [06:49] !ops | scribz is continuing to cause trouble [06:49] scribz is continuing to cause trouble: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant [06:49] arraybolt3: I'm talking to him in polish [06:49] tripp4h: co kurwo nie odpisujesz [06:50] tripp4h: masz szczescie ze jestes za natem kurwo [06:50] * scribz is going to left the channel and eat something [06:50] because I'm mad === beaver is now known as pong [07:25] great tip, tomreyn . Thank you [07:27] !cookie | tomreyn [07:27] tomreyn: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [07:34] oerheks: i got this error: Err http://old-releases.ubuntu.com main Release 404 Not Found [IP: 185.125.190.40 80] [07:37] tripp4h: Oy. That's odd. Care to show your /etc/apt/sources.list file again? [07:47] there is something missing , ' hirsute' before ' main' https://askubuntu.com/questions/1340397/how-does-sources-list-for-hirsute-hippo-21-04-looks-like [07:51] hey [07:52] anybody there ? [07:54] .. === halvors1 is now known as halvors [08:23] I have two keys -> one in `apt-key list` and one under `gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/slack.list` and I get a warning during `sudo apt update` [08:23] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/V7ZFVWmL/ [08:24] this is the key in the `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/slack.list` -> `deb https://packagecloud.io/slacktechnologies/slack/debian/ jessie main` [08:25] varaindemian, see this answer https://askubuntu.com/a/1403964/64683 [08:25] it needs some steps, as apt key add is depreciated [08:25] oerheks: so I should delete it [08:26] deleted and now I get some other warnings :( [08:27] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mD67eMy6/ [08:29] ubuntru [08:29] ! [08:31] no, not deleting they key .. [08:33] `sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys C6ABDCF64DB9A0B2` [08:34] why not [08:38] ubuntu tealtabbycat [08:39] can we help you guest89 ? [08:39] oerheks: that doesn't solve my problem [08:39] I stil get the same errors after exporing the key [08:39] apparently there are two separate keys.. [08:44] I keep getting this now: [08:44] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cY023RXM/ [08:45] maybe there is no key .. [08:46] https://quan.hoabinh.vn/blog/2022/5/101-fix-missing-key-issue-for-slack-apt-repo-in-debian-ubuntu [08:46] what about this.. [08:47] same method, i think? [08:47] yea [08:47] ubuntu [08:47] part one is export, part 2 is [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/something.gpg] [08:48] mtd utils ples [08:48] please [08:48] oerheks: yeah, but I cannot see that key under `sudo apt-key list` [08:48] varaindemian, correct. [08:48] it is not in your keyring. [08:50] oerheks: I see some other Slack key that is in the keyring.. [08:50] if that one does not match, no need to remove i guess [09:02] !bg | Guest89 [09:02] Guest89: опитайте #ubuntu-bg за български потребители . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently [09:05] man !bg [09:08] Man !bg [09:08] man !bg [09:08] no chanel [09:09] lotuspsychje: ? I think you *may* have triggered the wrong factoid. [09:13] arraybolt3: Guest89 is from bulgaria, has a bit of problems to formulate his question, hence the redirect [09:13] but seems like the bg channel is empty [09:13] lotuspsychje: Ah. [09:14] Guest89: so if you want volunteers to help you, please elaborate your ubuntu question, see also !details [09:15] bulgaria [09:15] ? [09:35] OK, understood, tomreyn - thanks for testing it. It's interesting to know, anyhow. Thanks for your help === Furor is now known as Colere === arraybolt3_ is now known as arraybolt3 [10:07] what is a good partitioning scheme for an initial install on a 500GB disk on a system with 16GB? Is /:250GB swap: 32GB /home:250GB ok? [10:07] Sorry, I mean /home: 218GB [10:07] 16GB RAM [10:08] clarkk: for swap it goes x2 of te amount of ram [10:08] 32GB then? Got that. What about the rest? [10:09] clarkk: you can get that to be done automaticly in the installer [10:09] I understand that. I'd like recommendations tho [10:19] clarkk: 2x the amount of RAM used to be recommended for swap, however nowadays 2GB and smaller swapfiles are common. With 16 GB of RAM, you might not even need a swapfile, depending on what you're doing with your system. [10:19] Also, you don't need swap to be on a separate partition - a swapfile should work just fine unless you're using a weird filesystem that doesn't support them. [10:20] My system's default, out of the box configuration only gave me 1 GB of swap space on a 16 GB RAM system. [10:20] (I'm on Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.) [10:21] As for your root and home, I would recommend that you not separate out your root and /home partitions - while there may be some benefits to doing so (like the ability to share your /home with multiple different distros), those benefits are minimal, and potentially unsafe to use. [10:22] Also, if you run out of space on either /home or /, you're going to end up trying to figure out how to move space to the filled partition. Which could be painful. [10:22] clarkk: ^ [10:23] TL;DR: Just go with the defaults that Ubuntu gives you if you click "Erase disk and install Ubuntu". Assuming you intend on wiping the whole disk and going Ubuntu-only, that is. [10:27] arraybolt3, thanks for your advice. I'll go with that [10:28] clarkk: Glad to help! Oh, also, seriously consider enabling disk encryption. If your system gets stolen or physically accessed when powered off, that will keep people out of your data. [10:29] Disk encryption should always be enabled on a system except in very specific circumstances. You can access it with the "Advanced options" button after selecting "Erase Disk and install Ubuntu" in the installer. [10:30] with encryption, always make sure you have a backup of your precious files === _miruoy is now known as miruoy === _miruoy is now known as miruoy === _miruoy is now known as miruoy [11:10] you [11:13] stop that please saltd , this is the ubuntu support channel not meant for random rant [11:16] lotuspsychje sorry, forgot about ubuntu === Starmina87958510 is now known as Starmina8795851 [11:49] arraybolt3: I separate out /home from / for one main reason; the ability to reinstall the OS (wiping the / filesystem) without losing the configuration for all of the programs I use. this comes in particularly useful should one commit the unfortunate mistake of attempting to install any kind of nvidia GPU driver. [12:00] amdj, Good point. I've not been able to get to the install part yet, but when I do, I'll probably do that [12:07] pretty much everything you configure without superuser privileges (e.g. password prompt), whether it's taskbar layout, desktop background, lock screen user photo, firefox bookmarks or addons, file manager view preferences, etc etc is stored in your home directory. so not having to do that all over again every time you reinstall or clean upgrade is quite nice. === solsTiCe9 is now known as solsTiCe [12:10] Привет всем, кто может помочь? [12:10] faeton786, english only please [12:10] !ru [12:10] Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [12:11] Danila, i need help ! [12:12] state your problem, and ubuntu version ? [12:12] I'm having trouble booting the ubuntu installer. It shows the very first menu of 4 options, and then goes blank/black, and then doesn't do absolutely anything more. Does anyone have any idea how I can find out what is failing? [12:13] clarkk, on what videocard? [12:13] nvidia gives this problem sometimes, see the nomodeset factoid [12:13] !nomodeset [12:13] Systems with certain graphics chipsets may not boot properly out of the box. "Temporarily Add a Kernel Boot Parameter for Testing" as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters to add the "nomodeset" parameter there. [12:14] oerheks, MSI Twin FROZR II N460GTX Hawk, which is a GeForce GTX 460 chipset [12:15] nomodeset might be your fix [12:15] I have Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS, the problem is that I have fps drops in games, Dota 2 (50-100 fps) and Worlds of Tanks (proton port 20 fps) laptop msi GT72VR video card GTX 1070 mobile. On Windows in Dota 2 I have 120 fps, I looked at the reviews on youtube and for people Dota 2 on Linux is better than on Windows, I don’t understand what my problem is. Sorry for transliteration. [12:17] faeton786: can you reproduce your issue by changing to a different nvidia driver version? [12:17] Is there any power user? [12:19] !ask | crush2 your ubuntu question [12:19] crush2 your ubuntu question: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [12:19] lotuspsychje: I got a kernel panic when I did the upgrade [12:19] In other words I can't boot debian I can't even see any log [12:19] Right now I'm using NVIDIA's proprietary driver metapackage 515 software [12:20] crush2: are you on debian or ubuntu? [12:20] murmel: I'm not a newbie so debian [12:20] crush2: this is #ubuntu [12:20] faeton786: ubuntu-drivers list [12:21] crush2: so whay are you in #ubuntu? [12:21] It is almost the same distro, I can't join debian because some stupid op set the channel for registered [12:21] crush2: so? register? [12:21] Sure I can register my nick on temporary email but wouldn't waste my time on it [12:21] I mean you are not a newbie [12:21] nvidia-driver-515, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-515-generic-hwe-20.04) [12:21] nvidia-driver-390, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-390-generic-hwe-20.04) [12:21] nvidia-driver-418-server, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-418-server-generic-hwe-20.04) [12:21] nvidia-driver-470-server, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-470-server-generic-hwe-20.04) [12:21] nvidia-driver-470, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-470-generic-hwe-20.04) [12:21] crush2, registering is not that expensive, no help here .. see topic [12:21] oerheks, I've booted the install disk. I'm at the menu with the options, "Try or Install Ubuntu", "Ubuntu (safe graphics)", "OEM install (for manufacturers", "Test Memory". I don't see any way to add the nomodeset parameter. The second option may be the one I need, but does it just run the live disk, or the installer? [12:22] clarkk: press e on the option and it should let you edit the boot stanza. [12:22] find the "linux" or "kernel" line and add "nomodeset" to the end. [12:22] press F10 to boot the modified stanza. [12:22] ok amdj. What does the second option boot into, out of interest? The live disk or the installer? [12:23] I don't actually know, I haven't used that one [12:23] I imagine the live session [12:23] at the try ubuntu/live mode, press F6 nomodeset? [12:24] faeton786: try a 470 and compare your fps, see if you can reproduce [12:26] faeton786: use a !paste bin next time you want to share several lines to the channel [12:27] oerheks, F6 doesn't seem to do anything [12:29] I pressed e and added nomodeset [12:29] waiting to see the result now [12:29] amdj, +1 [12:31] Thanks a lot for the tip! Hugs! === OpenSource is now known as UNIX [12:54] So, I added the nomodeset to the boot line, and it's booted the live disk, not the installer :( [12:54] once in live mode, the install icon is on your desktop [12:55] oerheks, OK, thanks - I just spotted it. Installing now :) [12:55] have fun! [12:55] heh [12:55] and you can play a game while installing :-D [13:02] Hi, I've been searching for a while about how to create a bootable live USB installation with an encrypted persistent storage, but it looks like this isn't so straightforward. I'm willing to invest some time on this, and was wondering about how the live USB boot sequence works. I'm struggling to find technical documentation on this, could anyone [13:02] please give me some pointers about that? [13:03] there are guides for persistance, but not encrypted. [13:03] Yeah, that's the point... [13:03] Guest9130: you can create yourself luks or (?) dm-crypt [13:04] luks uses dm-crypt, so not precisely "or" [13:04] and indeed, the keywords are "luks" and "cryptsetup" [13:04] use a 2nd usb ? [13:05] crush2_ Yeh, I've already been running encrypted disk with LUKS for a while now. But now I'm willing to have it done with a live USB, not a system install [13:05] Yeah it's of course possible [13:06] oerheks or a second partition on the same device, it would have the same effect, but how to set up the live USB system to decrypt the persistence partition, that's the issue [13:11] I've defined how I want my EFI disk. Where should the boot loader go - on /dev/sda, or on /dev/sda1, which is a fat32 partition for EFI, or on the root partition? [13:13] When it says bootloader, does it mean grub? [13:13] I believe so. I think I remember having had success telling it to put the bootloader on the EFI partition. [13:15] I don't really understand what it means when it says /dev/sda. That's just the device? How does it write files to the device? Surely it would need a partition to do that, like sda1? [13:15] grub gets installed to a drive in most cases [13:16] Jeremy31, a drive, as opposed to a partition? Where will the actual files be located (excuse if this is a silly question) [13:16] clarkk: a partition, yes [13:16] EFI needs to be a partition as it is a VFAT filesystem [13:17] clarkk: with efi, it doesn't matter what you choose for grub's target, or whether you supply one [13:17] it can be in the MBR of a drive or an EFI partition. [13:17] Most installs are using efi today [13:17] not sure if you can put the OS on a vfat one, haven't seen it done ever. [13:17] clarkk: it will just write it to the first esp it finds [13:18] esv, yes, my motherboard supports EFI. I have a blank partition ready for it, formatted in fat32 [13:26] I'm going to put the bootloader on the root partition. Does that seem right? [13:26] because I want all the grub files there [13:29] that seems wrong. but as discussed above, if you're providing the device path of the partition containing your root partition to grub-install, it will probably still work since it will likely just ignore it. [13:31] the boot loader needs to go on the ESP, and there only. but i'm not sure what exactly you are doing there (which commands you are running) to put the boot loader somewhere, anyways. === ScR is now known as ScRamble [13:32] if this is the ubuntu desktop installer then the target you choose will be ignored [13:34] tomreyn, I'm just hesitant to put files somewhere where I cannot access them. But it does indeed seem that the recommended way is to select the drive, not a partition, for the bootloader [13:35] by, "cannot access them", I mean, cannot look at them, cannot inspect them, etc [13:35] if they're on a partition, then it's more understandable to me, because I can see them there [13:36] Most files will be in /boot/grub and /boot/efi [13:36] clarkk: The ESP is, by definition, a FAT32 file system. ubuntu can mount FAT32 file systems. [13:36] the grub files can be on their own partition or as a subdirectory of the rootfs, I have systems with both setups. [13:37] ESP gets mounted as /boot/efi [13:37] ah, that's useful [13:37] the EFI files need their own location as stated before MBR or a vfat partition [13:37] ok, so I'll choose /dev/sda then? [13:38] choose, where? [13:38] what's the worst it can happen? need to reinstall again? [13:38] esv, yes, I'm doing this for someone, and need to finish it, and setting everything up by the end of today :D [13:38] tomreyn: I think he's probably on the Manual Partitioning screen of Ubuntu Desktop. [13:38] arraybolt3, correct [13:38] There's a dropdown menu at the bottom of that screen that says something like "Boot loader location" or some such. [13:39] correct arraybolt3 [13:39] clarkk: so then it's irrelevant what you choose, as explained before [13:39] sorry I didn't explain it fully [13:39] ok [13:39] thanks [14:19] arraybolt3: here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/T8gRWGN3hp/ [14:20] tripp4h: Yikes, that looks somewhat scrambled. One moment, I'll give you a sources.list file you can just drop in place. [14:21] tripp4h: https://bpa.st/YMNA [14:22] tripp4h: Run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list", then when nano opens, press and hold Ctrl+K until everything is deleted out of the file. Then copy the contents of the pastebin I sent, and paste them into the file with Ctrl+Shift+V (the shift is important). Then press Ctrl+S to save, Ctrl+X to exit, then try a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade". [14:28] It seems like we're up an running :) Now doing the initial setup. What are everyone's thoughts on livepatch? With my own systems, I like to manage the updates myself, so I can update at a time that's convenient to me. This system is for someone else, so I'd consider this system working differently. Is there anything that I need to consider? [14:29] clarkk: Livepatch is only free for non-commercial use, so the user should be allowed to make that choice for themselves. [14:30] arraybolt3, this is non-commercial [14:30] The system will naturally tell you when it needs to restart (at least my Ubuntu Desktop system does), so an occasional reboot should be no problem. [14:30] No, I want to set up as much as I can. [14:30] clarkk: Yeah, but what if they decide to start a small business and use their computer as the main computer for that business? [14:31] arraybolt3, They're retired. Never going to happen [14:31] clarkk: Well, at least inform them that it's on, and give them clear instructions for how to turn it off just in case. [14:31] arraybolt3, fine. Are there any negative aspects of it? [14:32] any considerations? [14:32] Not that I'm aware of, but I've heard that the free version might give you beta patches or something like that? That's possibly from an unreliable source, so don't take my word for it there. I don't personally know of any downsides other than the licensing, but then again I don't use Livepatch so... === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [14:33] arraybolt3, thanks. I just clicked the button to set it up, and it wants authentication to Ubuntu One. Not going to do that, so I'll skip [14:33] Someone who actually works for Canonical might have the answers you're looking for, like sarnold. [14:33] That makes sense. [14:34] arraybolt3, it's ok. The user is fairly PC literate. They can manage the updates [14:40] tomreyn: it was installed with the OS === arraybolt3_ is now known as arraybolt3 [15:12] is there a cli tool that can let me define a checkpoint for the system, so that I can go back to precisely that checkpoint with a command? (I am ok with a reboot after that- but any installs/changes to the drive i want to be able to remove) [15:13] pycurious: did you use lvm during install? [15:14] !backup | pycurious [15:14] pycurious: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup, !borg, and !cloning [15:15] lotuspsychje: can i do that on a running system, and then revert? [15:15] https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/using-zfs-snapshots-clones#1-overview [15:15] I only have one drive on that system [15:15] using zfs means a fresh reinstall, afaik [15:19] oerheks: isnt there a way in zfp to go back to a snapshot and reboot? [15:20] pycurious, yes [15:20] it is all in that url [15:22] and tons of more sites with explanation, like https://www.howtogeek.com/devops/how-to-install-and-configure-zfs-on-ubuntu/ [15:25] arraybolt3: thanks! i upgraded to version 22.04.1! i lost my opera settings when uninstalling snapd with purge, do you think there's a way to get them back? [15:27] see if there is a opera folder in ~ /snap/ ? else no. [15:29] oerheks: i re-installed it at least now there's /snap/opera folder [15:30] oerheks: other things i should do when i accidently uninstalled snapd? i hope the update restored all the files [15:31] tripp4h: Ouch. If you purged snapd, you might have lost stuff permanently, especially if you're reinstalling stuff now. [15:31] Make sure any important data that's left in ~/snap/ is backed up elsewhere before you start installing anything else. [15:31] tripp4h: ^ [15:34] if the snap/opera folder survived upgrading, perhaps the settings are still there [15:48] tripp4h, afaik, the upgrade process (even about snapd) does not touch the home directory at all === xenial is now known as Guest4058 [16:25] Asking to ask sucks, I know, but does anyone want to help an old man with a grub annoyance? [16:26] OpenSorce, why not describe the annoyance? [16:26] Okay, so I installed Ubuntu along with Windows 10 and everything was fine grub-wise. Then I got the bright idea to put Android in there too (androidx86 project). Android replaced my grub. I got my old menu back with 'sudo grub-install/update-grub' from the Ubuntu install but the android grub is still hiding in there somewhere. I can't set the resolution and if I hit c at the grub menu and then exit out it shows me the android grub menu. [16:26] I'm old and not entirely up on UEFI grub yet. Where is this pesky android grub menu hiding and how should I get ride of it? [16:26] . [16:27] s /ride/rid [16:28] OpenSorce: it's the EFI menu netry. Chechk with efibootmgr. and delete it with it [16:29] solsTiCe, thank you! I knew it was likely something simple. [16:59] OpenSorce: This probably isn't a problem, but it struck me that you listed "install" before "update". That should be the other way around, do update first, then install. [17:10] jhutchins, will do. Thanks :-) [17:11] Sadly, I'm just doing this to get my resolution back :-P [17:30] OpenSorce: Once you've run update, the next install will reference updated/current files. [17:32] Hi all === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [17:46] all [18:11] Hi, I have a question. I am new to Ubuntu and updated to JJ. I am having issues with my browser Chromium & FF crashing/freezing forcing me to reboot. Any idea on where I should look to fix this? [18:13] first check if you use wayland or xorg. wayland can cause problems in general. logout. click your username and them the gear icon. login with an xorg session [18:14] Here's my system info. I am pretty stuck. Most of the time it works well, like using this webbased irc client. Then it'll randomly freeze. bc@bc-MacBook:~$ neofetch [18:15] bc@bc-MacBook [18:15] OS: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS x86_64 [18:15] Host: MacBook5,1 1.0 [18:15] Kernel: 5.15.0-47-generic [18:15] Uptime: 13 mins [18:18] COE: feel free to share this again, but like this: neofetch | nc termbin.com 9999 [18:18] this should return a url you can post here [18:19] yeah so I accidentally cycled my computer lol. So the GUI is infact wayland. How can I change this to improve stability [18:20] Change to XORG iirc is what was mentioned. [18:20] i wouldn't *generally* expect wayland to cause problems, but maybe ravage knows more than i do. [18:21]