[02:03] good morning === arraybolt3_ is now known as arraybolt3 [12:39] Howdy [12:40] o/ [12:42] i got green on black on hexchat thesyldat === Scotty_Trees2 is now known as Scotty_Trees [15:47] o/ [15:47] wich mac models do you run ubuntu on cbreak [15:49] currently none [15:49] i had some good experiences wich bionic & focal on several models [15:49] What I did do is build a hackintosh, which is a non-mac running macos. It has a fat32 EFI [15:49] just not too old ones or newer models and m1 [15:50] yeah, the arm macs are tricky. I read it took the devs months to get anything working even at a barebones level [15:50] but luckil someone has done it now ... so you wont anymore [15:50] asahi linux is a cool project [15:50] *luckily [15:52] ogra: I wouldn't be surprised if it takes months or years for all hardware to work properly, unless apple is a lot more open with their specs / api / hardware interfaces than I'd expect from them. [16:05] cbreak, well, i think most of the M1 stuff works in asahi ... but i wouldnt invest money into HW until there is a working GPU driver [16:08] I'm eyeing the framework laptops [16:10] well, if i stay with intel i'm old fashioned and just get a new XPS13 ... but once i can actually run ubuntu natively i'll surely move into apples ARMs 🙂 [16:12] I use AMD on my new machines. Works ok. [16:12] and even works with ECC memory, unlike most of the intel stuff :) [16:14] i used to use AMD exclusively for ages ... but eventually switched back to intel (dont even know why, it just happened) ... i *do* prefer arm64 but still have not found an ARM laptop that i'd use as daily driver yet [16:15] ARM is the future (and i'm preaching that since a decade being laughed at 🙂 ) [16:15] no, no, RISC-V is the future [16:20] ogra: this was the article ive seen recently; https://www.linuxhintbd.xyz/2022/09/how-to-try-ubuntu-new-installer-on-your-current-install.html [16:20] tomreyn, RISC-V is the far future ... 🙂 [16:23] the far future is the PQC, the personal quantum computer ;) [16:25] What would you even use that for? [16:25] I mean, the way QCs work is weird... [16:34] oh ! [16:34] omgubuntu has a new css [16:35] (but still no mention of the new unity flavour or of the ubuntu summit ... looks like joey recently just talks about themes and new flatpak'd software) [16:39] there's a new unity flavor? [16:40] I don't see it mentioned here: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours [16:41] leftyfb: just been approved, docs are running behind [16:41] interesting [16:41] ubuntu for phones? ubuntu for IOT? :) [16:41] I didn't think that community was all that big/active [16:42] or ubuntu blockchain NFT scamedition? [16:42] there are still users on unity [16:43] had a customer of mine last still running xenial [16:44] if xenial/unity users upgraded to bionic, did they keep unity? [16:46] i think yes [16:46] dont think i did that lts upgrade [16:46] !bionic [16:46] Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) is the 28th release of Ubuntu and an !LTS release. Download at https://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/ - Release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes [16:50] no ZFS on the kinetic canary ISO. should i be worried? i like my ZFS :) [16:50] (no ZFS install option) [16:51] enigma9o7[m]: i only find The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. on the releasenotes [16:52] maybe Maik or rs2009 will remember? [16:52] ah ok that makes sense, it uses the `ubuntu-desktop` pacakge so they could chang eit on people. if you want to use unity you need `ubuntu-unity-desktop` [16:54] yeah that i tested a lot unity-desktop on ubuntu-desktop with gnome [16:54] upgrading from xenial to bionic would install GNOME, but also keep Unity7 iirc (since ubuntu-desktop added GNOME to its dependencies) [16:55] that makes sense rs2009 tnx [16:56] so users could make their own transition back then [16:59] ravage: you want to ask that in #ubuntu-next [16:59] i can get the canary build of jammy and ask here [16:59] dont think that makes a difference [17:00] it is a question about the new installer [17:01] ravage, ask in the discours thread ... the backend is subiquity (the server installer) i'd assume it can do zfs and just doesnt expose that in the UI yet [17:01] ogra, ok. thanks :) [17:03] lotuspsychje, you mean you didnt notice that everything you want to do all of a sudden requires ten more clicks than in unity ? [17:03] ogra: i mostly clean installed most lts releases [17:04] and yeah transition to gnome/activities worked on my nerves :p [17:04] sure ... but the gnome desktop really adds a lot longer ways to reach what you need [17:04] indeed [17:04] but now on jammy, lucky i got all my workspaces back [17:04] i use workspace-matrix ... [17:05] that gives me the good old rows/clums setup i need on my laptop [17:05] the workspaces indicator from gnome extensions here [17:05] *columns [17:06] looks cool ogra [17:07] !info gnome-shell-extensions [17:07] gnome-shell-extensions (42.1-0ubuntu1, jammy): Extensions to extend functionality of GNOME Shell. In component universe, is optional. Built by gnome-shell-extensions. Size 167 kB / 1,138 kB [17:07] that indicator sits inside this [17:07] for those who want [17:07] i think most of them have been dropped from that package though ... to push people to wards using the normal extension system instead of debs [17:08] yeah [17:27] https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/x9lro5/unity_petition_to_bring_back_this_default_first/ [17:27] speaking of [17:48] thats hot [20:46] UWN: Issue752 now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue752 :D === Scotty_Trees2 is now known as Scotty_Trees