[02:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[12:39] <thesyldat> Howdy
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> o/
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> i got green on black on hexchat thesyldat 
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> o/
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> wich mac models do you run ubuntu on cbreak 
[15:49] <cbreak> currently none
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> i had some good experiences wich bionic & focal on several models
[15:49] <cbreak> What I did do is build a hackintosh, which is a non-mac running macos. It has a fat32 EFI
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> just not too old ones or newer models and m1
[15:50] <cbreak> yeah, the arm macs are tricky. I read it took the devs months to get anything working even at a barebones level
[15:50] <ogra> but luckil someone has done it now ... so you wont anymore 
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> asahi linux is a cool project
[15:50] <ogra> *luckily
[15:52] <cbreak> ogra: I wouldn't be surprised if it takes months or years for all hardware to work properly, unless apple is a lot more open with their specs / api / hardware interfaces than I'd expect from them.
[16:05] <ogra> cbreak, well, i think most of the M1 stuff works in asahi ... but i wouldnt invest money into HW until there is a working GPU driver 
[16:08] <cbreak> I'm eyeing the framework laptops
[16:10] <ogra> well, if i stay with intel i'm old fashioned and just get a new XPS13 ... but once i can actually run ubuntu natively i'll surely move into apples ARMs 🙂
[16:12] <cbreak> I use AMD on my new machines. Works ok.
[16:12] <cbreak> and even works with ECC memory, unlike most of the intel stuff :)
[16:14] <ogra> i used to use AMD exclusively for ages ... but eventually switched back to intel (dont even know why, it just happened) ... i *do* prefer arm64 but still have not found an ARM laptop that i'd use as daily driver yet
[16:15] <ogra> ARM is the future (and i'm preaching that since a decade being laughed at 🙂 )
[16:15] <tomreyn> no, no, RISC-V is the future
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> ogra: this was the article ive seen recently; https://www.linuxhintbd.xyz/2022/09/how-to-try-ubuntu-new-installer-on-your-current-install.html
[16:20] <ogra> tomreyn, RISC-V is the far future ... 🙂 
[16:23] <tomreyn> the far future is the PQC, the personal quantum computer ;)
[16:25] <arraybolt3> What would you even use that for?
[16:25] <arraybolt3> I mean, the way QCs work is weird...
[16:34] <ogra> oh ! 
[16:34] <ogra> omgubuntu has a new css
[16:35] <ogra> (but still no mention of the new unity flavour or of the ubuntu summit ... looks like joey recently just talks about themes and new flatpak'd software)
[16:39] <leftyfb> there's a new unity flavor?
[16:40] <leftyfb> I don't see it mentioned here: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[16:41] <hggdh> leftyfb: just been approved, docs are running behind
[16:41] <leftyfb> interesting
[16:41] <cbreak> ubuntu for phones? ubuntu for IOT? :)
[16:41] <leftyfb> I didn't think that community was all that big/active 
[16:42] <cbreak> or ubuntu blockchain NFT scamedition?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> there are still users on unity
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> had a customer of mine last still running xenial
[16:44] <enigma9o7[m]> if xenial/unity users upgraded to bionic, did they keep unity?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> i think yes
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> dont think i did that lts upgrade
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !bionic
[16:50] <ravage> no ZFS on the kinetic canary ISO. should i be worried? i like my ZFS :)
[16:50] <ravage> (no ZFS install option)
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> enigma9o7[m]: i only find The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. on the releasenotes
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> maybe Maik or rs2009 will remember?
[16:52] <enigma9o7[m]> ah ok that makes sense, it uses the `ubuntu-desktop` pacakge so they could chang eit on people.  if you want to use unity you need `ubuntu-unity-desktop`
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah that i tested a lot unity-desktop on ubuntu-desktop with gnome
[16:54] <rs2009> upgrading from xenial to bionic would install GNOME, but also keep Unity7 iirc (since ubuntu-desktop added GNOME to its dependencies)
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> that makes sense rs2009 tnx
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> so users could make their own transition back then
[16:59] <leftyfb> ravage: you want to ask that in #ubuntu-next
[16:59] <ravage> i can get the canary build of jammy and ask here
[16:59] <ravage> dont think that makes a difference
[17:00] <ravage> it is a question about the new installer
[17:01] <ogra> ravage, ask in the discours thread ... the backend is subiquity (the server installer) i'd assume it can do zfs and just doesnt expose that in the UI yet
[17:01] <ravage> ogra, ok. thanks :)
[17:03] <ogra> lotuspsychje, you mean you didnt notice that everything you want to do all of a sudden requires ten more clicks than in unity ? 
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> ogra: i mostly clean installed most lts releases
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> and yeah transition to gnome/activities worked on my nerves :p
[17:04] <ogra> sure ... but the gnome desktop really adds a lot longer ways to reach what you need
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> but now on jammy, lucky i got all my workspaces back
[17:04] <ogra> i use workspace-matrix ...
[17:05] <ogra> that gives me the good old rows/clums setup i need on my laptop 
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> the workspaces indicator from gnome extensions here
[17:05] <ogra> *columns
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> looks cool ogra 
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell-extensions
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> that indicator sits inside this
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> for those who want
[17:07] <ogra> i think most of them have been dropped from that package though ... to push people to wards using the normal extension system instead of debs
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/x9lro5/unity_petition_to_bring_back_this_default_first/
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> speaking of
[17:48] <pizza> thats hot
[20:46] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue752 now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue752 :D