[00:13] I just upgraded my server to 22.04 it now tells me that there are 204 packages that are upgradeable but when I try to run them it says all 204 have been kept back. Any insight into why that might happen? [00:16] nm found an answer [00:25] what was it? [00:27] Probably an upgrade vs dist-upgrade [00:28] probably apt phasing [00:28] 204 phased packages ? [00:28] * genii phases himself over to the coffeepot [00:30] ogra: that's the fun! apt doesn't say why :( [00:53] what genii said [00:53] and had to be repeated several times because every time I did it it would remove stuff too and then other packages would show up as upgradeable lol [00:54] just made it through everything [00:55] woot [00:56] ravage: Does btrfs support sending incremental snapshots between machines (replication) like zfs does? [01:00] Or at least between btrfs instances === xenial is now known as Guest3819 [01:43] I have a digitalocean VPS running Ubuntu. If I do wget www.google.com then it works but if I do wget 164.92.121.50/mdill.axx then that doesn't work. Though that wget line works from home, just not on the digitalocean server! If I do ufw status, then it says inactive. So it dosen't seem to be a firewall issue. I also have a VPS server from vultr. And that line doesn't work there either! [01:44] can you curl 164.92.121.50 [01:44] ? [01:45] from home, yes. From the VPS, No! [01:46] what response do you get? [01:46] from home- I get some HTML [01:46] barg do u hav e an csgo server on your vps [01:46] from the VPS- I get no response [01:47] kriztmark: a what server?! [01:47] counter strike global offensive [01:47] no [01:48] i tried ping and nmap on that 164 IP. Ping works. Nmap shows port 80 as filtered (not open) [01:48] From home, nmap shows port 80 open [01:48] barg: http servers allow name-based virtualization -- you may need to supply the server name via a --header="Host: whateverthenameis" option [01:48] From VPS, I can wget www.google.com [01:49] barg: I tried tracepath and got a result that matches this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=857342. Might be a starting point for you [01:49] I can't connect to it from here either [01:51] sarnold: I don't think there is a domain associated with the IP [01:51] yeah, I get "filtered" from nmap from home to 164.92.121.50 port 80 [01:51] barg: i don't seem to be able to connect to 164.92.121.50 (a digital ocean ip address) on ports 80 (http) or 443 (https) fro multiple locations. i suspect that you have a 'special' setup at home, where you can just seemingly connect anywhere - maybe a http proxy? [01:51] no my connection from home is very very normal [01:52] it's not if you can connect to an ip address from there which no one else can connect to [01:52] i think others can too just some can't [01:52] I would suspect firewall rules on the 164.92.121.50 (or a router leading to it) that block traffic to port 80 except from your home network [01:53] digitalocean don't know what my home network is! [01:53] where *is* that 164.92... machine located? [01:53] probably NY [01:54] I mean, whose network is it on? [01:55] i don't know. it's a computer I set up with digitalocean [01:55] so digitalocean run the network it is on [01:56] interestingly this online port scanner can't see it.. so maybe I am the only person that can see it, though that makes no sense! https://hackertarget.com/nmap-online-port-scanner/ [01:56] i thought that online port scanner would see it but it didn't.. very strange. [01:57] AWS, I remember, made it very easy to set the firewall rules (security profile) so that only the IP that created a server could get at it... [01:58] so I think you need to check into the way that server is set up. [01:58] If digitalocean does it's a new thing. Never did with my droplets. [02:03] digitalocean do have a free configurable 'cloud firewall', but it doesn't seem to be active by default. https://docs.digitalocean.com/support/check-your-cloud-firewall-settings/ [02:07] ah darn i did have a firewall rule on that web server, doh [02:07] sorry about that [02:08] :) glad you found it. [02:22] thanks [03:07] When I press alt,ctrl,f1/12 , login to a tty, startx, from second user, the first user and all other tty users' desktop is not reachable via applications like x2go, anydesk etc. Its a black screen. How can I login GUI users and let them work simultaneously and also screenshare/access their account and they can share each others desktop? e.g I use [03:07] tty1, then switch to tty2, now person connecting to tty1 remotely will get a black screen. <= whats the solution? The only solution I see is to have many many vbox guests for each user. (not optimal). [03:59] can I install firefox (no desktop manager) on a vps with 1g ram. install x2goserver there. then access published apps via x2gocllent from a remote pc? [04:45] Can someone see my messages? [04:45] Thousands can. [04:46] Ok, I was messaging since ages and no one replied. I thought maybe I was mute [05:25] Intelo: use xrdp or x2go to create these sessions; then these go into virtual displays and work fine no matter which vt you're viewing [05:26] Then to share these virtual sessions with other people, use vnc or anydesk or any other tool [05:27] Re: vps, sure, but firefox with 1 GB RAM isn't really useful, a single gmail page requires more than that [05:40] alkisg step 1, tty1, login to x via startx, step 2: allow remote user to access screen, that goes ok. 3: I switch to tty7, The moment I do it, the remote access person sees a black unusable screen. [05:41] Intelo: startx doesn't give you a virtual screen, so that's exactly my advice, don't use it [05:41] It conflicts with your use case [05:50] alkisg so what do I use then? [05:50] Intelo: as I said, you use xrdp or x2go; these create the virtual screens for you [05:51] People that login using xrdp or x2go get virtual screens that do not map to VTs and can share their screens using VNC or anydesk or whatever else they want [05:51] so I have to create new session of lets say "user1" via x2go from a) remote user b) where ? (as I am local to myself) [05:52] Remote users use x2go.You use lightdm or gdm or whatever DM you have [05:52] Then each one of you can share their screen with vnc, anydesk etc [05:52] I.e. you don't need any fancy stuff, just a default ubuntu installation, plus apt install xrdp [05:53] No configuration needed at all === Starmina87958512 is now known as Starmina8795851 [05:54] ok let me conclude my issues: can you tell me exact steps so I can see user1,2,3 screen, use it, and the user1,2,3 can also remote access it. [05:54] Secondly, I just observed anydesk works on low bandwidth, x2go is not usable on low bankdwidth. anydesk is paid. High cost. Any sugestions? [05:56] 1) Install Ubuntu, 2) Login with lighdm/gdm, 3) Install xrdp, 4) Remote users login with xfreerdp or windows mstsc, 5) install vnc or anydesk or epoptes.org for screen sharing between users [05:57] 3) can be x2go also. right? [05:58] Right, but it requires more bandwidth [05:58] alkisg ok, which is the fastest on low band? [05:58] And it makes it somewhat harder to login from windows remote clients [05:58] And it won't be portable in the wayland era later on [05:59] The proprietary solutions,while for open source, it's between xrdp and x2go [05:59] vnc, x2go , rdp or ? [05:59] VNC is the worst on low bandwidth [05:59] ok [06:00] alkisg I think if I login to user1 via x2go and someone else logs in to user1 from another remote locaiton. I think we both will see the same desktop. Thus sharing? [06:01] so no need for anydesk [06:01] or teamviewer [06:01] Intelo: you shouldn't login to the same session, it will cause data corruption [06:01] oh, what kind of ? sure? [06:01] Many programs are not designed for simultaneous access, e.g. if you open the dconf database twice, you'll break it [06:02] then I have to use proprietry software. There seems no other solution? [06:02] And it won't be screen sharing, it will be a new session [06:02] The one I wrote above [06:02] You login with your OWN user locally, THEN you share the userX screen [06:02] If you want to initiate the userX screen, then you should use xrdp or x2go after you login with your OWN user locally [06:03] Then that virtual session can be paused or resumed elsewhere [06:03] Do NOT use local session for remote users [06:03] there is slight confusion , if eliminated, will solve all [06:03] when we say "login" , let it be UI login [06:04] so if I login "locally" on multiple accounts lets say acc1, acc2, acc3 <-- this is not what you are sayhing? [06:05] the only way I can login locally to multiple users is via tty [06:05] and that is not what you are sayhing [06:05] When we say "locally", we need to redefine if you mean "at the display manager" or "after login, using x2go, to do a second login in a window" [06:05] isee [06:05] My suggestion is that you only login once at the display manager. Only one vt should have xorg running. [06:05] so if I understand correctly, I will login via x2go locally [06:06] AFTER you normally login at the DM, of course [06:06] ok [06:06] So you login as intelo at the DM, then you login as user1 using x2go, in a window [06:06] Then user1 can take over that session if they login from elsewhere [06:06] Then they can share their screen with you using anydesk or vnc [06:06] but I cannot share user1 screen without proprietry software <-- problem [06:07] Nope, you can use vnc just fine [06:07] Both x2go and xrdp allow a remote user to take over the session you started in a window [06:07] Then you can use vnc for screen sharing [06:08] so with x2go and vnc, 2 people can login to same acc1 at the same time? thus resulting in screenshare / simultaneous access of same session? [06:08] No. Only one person should login to one account, otherwise you have file corruption [06:08] oh [06:08] When the remote user1 logs in using xrdp, your session in a window will close [06:08] so vnc is different [06:09] THEN you will do VNC screen sharing and you will see the single login [06:09] 2 people can login/access acc1 at same time via vnc but not via x2go and rdp? [06:09] VNC is screen sharing, it's not "double login", which would run all the processes twice, open all files twice, corrupt them etc [06:10] x2go and xrdp are logins, not screen sharing. VNC is screen sharing [06:10] I see [06:10] (there are some plugins that alter some behavior but let's ignore them for now as you're already confused :)) [06:10] is this relevant here? https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:usage:desktop-sharing [06:10] That's the plugin ^ :) [06:11] It uses vnc to do screen sharing; it's essentially the same as running vnc directly. Don't bother with it, it'll just confuse you [06:11] so if I use it, I can do "connection to local desktop" option in drop down of x2go client and that will be like vnc? [06:11] Sure [06:12] https://imgur.com/5yHtAyl.png [06:12] But note that this will only work if user1 wants to connect to intelo desktop [06:12] It won't allow user1 to connect to user1 desktop [06:12] alkisg I found "connectiosn to local desktop, x2go as a whole and vnc as VERY slow as compared to anydesk.... not even usable [06:13] Yes, that plugin is slower than VNC, that's why I suggested to completely ignore it [06:13] alkisg I have server+client on both machines [06:13] alxndr I don't know why x2go is also slower than anydesk. I have low band [06:13] 5mbp connection [06:14] for users [06:14] even 2mpbs [06:14] Because anydesk is proprietary so its developers get paid better [06:14] only anydesk works [06:14] ya... :) [06:14] Thank you! if you get into any other ideas, do let me know! [06:15] I'm not aware of any issues, the solution I suggested works fine [06:15] So I'm not sure of which ideas you need :) [06:15] else I have to install x2go on a VPS with 1g ram and only x11,xorg,firefox [06:15] You may want to state your goal [06:15] alkisg ideas on low band [06:16] alkisg let them access a browser. thats all (for now) [06:16] Because up to now you've been asking for specific tools but you haven't mentioned the actual goal [06:16] Hello there, a question [06:16] for all other things, I use terminal, vpn etc. and that is working super fine [06:16] Because "multiple 2 mbps connections to 1 GB RAM VPS" doesn't sound like a good approach for anything [06:17] E.g. if your whole plan is to do IP spoofing, use a proxy server, not a remote firefox... [06:17] i'm trying to connect through FTP to a virtual machine server i have but i forgot the password and/or port of the user, i have access to the machine through ssh, so i connect, change the user password and use the port than apparead in config but still no connection. [06:17] what i'm doing wrong? [06:17] my config file https://nopaste.net/LQ4DY5TRBv [06:18] i even try to make an anonymous connection but to no avail. [06:18] is a test server therefore security is not so much a concern [06:18] the ftp program is vsftpd [06:19] alkisg no. browser is needed because users are developers. they deploy code via vpn / terminal. but they want to run / see app in browser. The app is huge.js file. they need to load in browser very often [06:19] alkisg lets say you are a reactjs dev, [06:20] alkisg its complicated to explain here [06:20] Intelo: then each connection will need 2 GB RAM. For 10 users, that's 20 GB RAM [06:20] alkisg no, each user will take slice of screen/browser on vps, [06:20] bankdwidth is not an issue for vps [06:21] If you want multiple users to connect to a SINGLE session that's a completely different issue [06:22] Then you don't even have multiple users, it's just one, the one that runs that single session [06:22] even sessions can be different [06:23] multi x2go [06:23] One session = 2 GB. Differnt session = multiple * 2 GB [06:23] each user comes, connects, lauenches browser, goes away [06:23] Right, so a single resettable session [06:23] alkisg are you telling me that one session needs 2g ram in reality? [06:23] Intelo: sure, if you open a browser in a heavy-javascript page [06:23] I see. [06:23] I am doomed [06:24] anydesk seems the only way :( [06:24] alkisg all what you said [06:24] Why, anydesk won't need 2 GB for the browser? [06:24] alkisg no because if I have to use anydesk, I will do it on my local machine. that has 32 g ram [06:25] Intelo: and why can't you use xrdp/vnc to your local machine? [06:25] slow. thats why [06:25] users can't connect via vnc/x2go/ etc [06:25] What's your upload speed? [06:25] Do a speed test and tell me [06:26] 2mb [06:26] 2mbps [06:26] Yeh that won't really work for multiple users even with anydesk. For one user, THEN another user, it might [06:27] Pay for a better line rather than paying for a vps [06:27] well on anydesk, it goes fine. I tried [06:28] with 3 users [06:28] wait. no [06:28] actually for one with 5mbps up (server) . 2mbps down (client) [06:29] alkisg anyway. It was great talking to you! [06:30] I will try. Dont'think there is any workaround anydesk $cost [06:32] Cheers Intelo === scoobydoo_ is now known as scoobydoo [07:05] hello [07:05] i have a serious issue on a server that is about to be used in production [07:05] apparently it tried to auto upgrade over night [07:05] now almost any command i type, i'm getting /usr/bin/sudo: Input/Output error [07:06] seems to be some kind of filesystem issue, but can't see what it tried to do... [07:06] i can cd to /var/log and look at some messages, and i see that it tried to auto-upgrade. but it appears to be in a broken state === scoobydoo_ is now known as scoobydoo [07:10] or maybe some partitions failed to remount? [07:11] i have lots of these mounted: /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core20_1623.snap on /snap/core20/1623 type squashfs (ro,nodev,relatime,x-gdu.hide) [07:12] this is what i see for the rootfs: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv on / type ext4 (ro,relatime) [07:12] its read only mounted [07:24] gabejackson: usually input/output error is related to hardware failure (hdd) [07:24] yeah i would like to run fsck on it [07:24] but i can't [07:24] is there a way to download a fsck binary somehow? i have a tmpfs that seems to be working [07:25] wget gives me input/output error, but curl seems to be working. so may be able to download something [07:25] i dare not restart to run fsck as i only have remote access currently [07:25] ah [07:26] can you run 'sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999' ? [07:26] it would upload a paste of dmesg's output [07:26] yeah i got dmesg output from /var/log/dmesg [07:26] one min. thx [07:26] gabejackson: really what you want to do is try to install smartmontools somehow and run a smart test on the hdd, to see its health [07:27] fsck wont help much if it's a hardware failure (which it sounds like it is based on the input/output error) [07:28] https://dpaste.com/9GUPC5QRE [07:28] sorry, nc didn't work input/output error [07:29] i'm still looking for the read-only mount in dmesg [07:30] it may be more of a volume manager issue because of the auto-upgrade / unattended upgrade which shouldn't have run... [07:31] what happens if you try to remount rw? [07:31] sudo mount -o remount,rw / [07:32] i get /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error [07:33] if i run without sudo, i get mount: /: cannot remount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv read-write, is write-protected. [07:33] gabejackson: i see in the kernel line there's a "ro" there [07:33] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-5.4.0-125-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv ro [07:34] i'm sure its the upgrade that killed it [07:34] why would there be an ro there? [07:34] hmm, maybe it's something from outside ubuntu, something related to the vm or so? [07:34] 'write-protected' seems odd [07:34] its just a NUC with ubuntu server on it [07:36] can i mount /boot and fix it? [07:36] if i do mount /boot it gives me mount: /boot: special device /dev/disk/by-uuid/191b470b-16a2-4403-b943-4a70e7e1a32b does not exist. [07:36] what's "parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" give? [07:37] input/output error [07:37] fdisk -l ? [07:37] do you have the root password? maybe "su" still works if sudo is shot [07:37] true [07:38] i'll try [07:38] nah both are shot [07:38] is there a way to get binaries and run them them on the tmpfs? [07:40] which ubuntu version is this? [07:41] Linux gumbi 5.4.0-125-generic #141-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 10 13:42:03 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [07:41] cat /etc/issue [07:41] Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS [07:41] !fdisk focal === diskin is now known as Guest6013 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [07:42] !info fdisk focal [07:42] fdisk (2.34-0.1ubuntu9.3, focal): collection of partitioning utilities. In component main, is required. Built by util-linux. Size 118 kB / 506 kB [07:42] gabejackson: this is the fdisk .deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/u/util-linux/fdisk_2.34-0.1ubuntu9.3_amd64.deb [07:43] gabejackson: are you able to somehow access grub remotely? [07:44] will be difficult [07:44] it's a nuc which is accessible, but nobody there knows what to do [07:44] and it'll need a hdmi cable and screen or so? [07:44] and keyboard [07:44] was able to download the de [07:44] deb [07:45] gabejackson: ok, you could unpack the .deb using dpkg -x /path/to/deb /path/to/fdisk/dir [07:45] dpkg seems to be working [07:45] let me try. [07:46] gah, but dpkg-deb isn't working [07:47] gabejackson: i think you'd need to access the server somehow, maybe restart and hope for the best, if it doesnt work then hook up some kind of live usb and assess whether the hdd is still ok, it very much sounds like some hardware failure, missing partitions and input/output error and whatnot [07:47] yeah [07:47] thanks eric! [07:48] ar x /path/to/fdisk.deb might work to unpack it [07:48] np, goodluck! [08:00] @EriC^^ isn't it maybe an LVM issue? [08:00] ugprade from LVM to LVM2 or similar, thats' why i couldn't activate the VGs correctly or so? [08:00] i'm not sure how ubuntu by default deals with volume groups etc [08:00] Hi [08:01] How do I modify the Lubuntu GUI installer "Encrypt Partition" Encryption settings. It's using AES-128 XTS Plain64 I think. I want to choose a different cipher if possible. [08:01] This is a LUKS encryption setup. [08:04] is it normal that so many /var/lib/snapd/* things are mounted, or is this part of an upgade process? [08:05] can somebody tell me if this "mount" looks normal? https://dpaste.com/HESTV47UE [08:07] I mean, does it work? [08:09] gabejackson: you could see what was upgraded in /var/log/apt/history.log [08:13] seems empty. [08:16] odd, maybe /var/log/dpkg.log? [08:16] grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log === solsTiCe3 is now known as solsTiCe === jesopo is now known as jess [08:33] EriC^^: [08:33] i dared to reboot and it magically recovered....... [08:33] Hi YES [08:33] GOOD [08:33] gabejackson: yay [08:33] still need to figure out WHAT it was though [08:34] gabejackson: try 'sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999' [09:02] Hi, I install ubuntu -server then installed firefox. so it might be bare xorg/x11. How do I start firefox from terminal? [09:05] Intelo, "firefox" [09:06] ravage no if I run "firefox" , it says "no display environment variable specified [09:06] then you have to configure your desktop environment correctly [09:07] ubuntu server does not come with one [09:07] does firefox snap not pull in Xorg/Wayland? [09:08] i dont think snaps install any deb packages [09:08] oke, logical. [09:09] one could setup a xvfb virtual framebuffer [09:10] EriC^^: https://termbin.com/8n59 [09:11] oerheks ravage don't I just need `export DISPLAY=pcNameHere:0.0` [09:11] if you have Xorg running you can do that [09:12] ravage oerheks what is the good way? [09:12] why do you want firefox on your server? [09:12] oerheks because that is the only thing I need [09:13] want to keep it minimalistic [09:13] don't want desktop env [09:13] !info xvfb [09:13] xvfb (2:21.1.3-2ubuntu2.1, jammy): Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server. In component universe, is optional. Built by xorg-server. Size 845 kB / 2,234 kB [09:13] so sudo apt install xvfb? [09:13] and then? [09:14] oerheks ^ [09:15] ravage or do I need 'xinit' and then startx? [09:15] xvfb-run firefox http://something .. but you will get no sreen, you need xorg for that [09:15] I need screen [09:15] the real firefox [09:15] oerheks so I should now install xorg ? [09:16] the install something like xubuntu [09:16] *then [09:16] it does not use a lot of ressources [09:16] ravage no. its xfce and many gui apps.. [09:17] good luck, not installing xorg [09:17] Do I need `apt install xorg` or `apt install xinit`? [09:17] oerheks I didnt said I dont want xorg... did I? [09:18] gabejackson: looks ok [09:19] Intelo, you can install xserver-xorg [09:22] ravage difference between xorg and xserver-org and xinit? [09:23] ravage difference between xorg and xserver-org * [09:23] I understand xinit now but whats the diff of above ^ [09:24] am I disconnected? [09:28] Intelo, you are not disconnected [09:28] Intelo: as I said, you use xrdp or x2go; these create the virtual screens for you [09:29] some few hours ago.. [09:30] EriC^^: btw, looking at the current dmesg, the ro flag is still in the initial BOOT_IMAGE command. guess that's normal for the boot partition where the kernel is located [09:30] oerheks forget that message. that is another question..... [09:30] gets remounted later in the dmesg: [ 5.000321] systemd[1]: Starting Remount Root and Kernel File Systems... [09:30] i see [09:33] Intelo: install ubuntu-mate or xfce or whatever normally. Then create /usr/local/bin/mate-session that will override /usr/bin/mate-session. In in, run: marco & firefox [09:33] Intelo: this will be your minimal DE, with minimal effort. You don't need to reinvent the wheel [09:34] You will still need 2 GB per session though, as the problem is in firefox, NOT in the desktop environment [09:34] If you install a 32bit system (e.g. debian), then you can get that down to 1.5 GB per session. The DE doesn't matter. [09:39] alkisg what you said is understood! but what if I want to make it even more minimalistic and only have xorg? [09:40] Intelo: then you'll save 1 GB *disk* space (not RAM), is that important to you? [09:40] for 20 virtual machines, + updates, yes maybe [09:40] and ram also... [09:40] xfce's ram != xorg ram alone [09:40] No, RAM won't be affected, it will be the same [09:41] Since the DE won't run with that minimal mate-session [09:41] are you sure? xorg bare and xfce take same rame/ [09:41] Yes I'm sure [09:41] ok.. [09:41] If you want to 1 GB save disk space, sure, install plain xorg and something like nodm [09:42] And create an .xsessionrc instead of a mate-session script [09:42] how to run firefox from command line then (if not mate-session) [09:44] You need a window manager like marco or openbox, and firefox [09:44] You can run them from wherever you like, `marco & firefox` would be the command for these two [09:46] Note the you'll be missing some things like keyring, authentication managers and portals, if these annoy your users you can just install mate/xfce then, with the same ram :) [09:48] Or just install a VM with a desktop.. [09:49] in that case, lxde would be the most light weight? [09:51] alkisg I just installed marco and I have a gui now [09:54] Is LXDE / lubuntu the lightmost weight Desktop env? [09:54] When you use a session override, they are all the same [09:55] (the mate-session script I said) [09:55] If you don't use a session override, then it's lubuntu < xfce, mate, kde < gnome [09:55] oh, gnome is even heavier than kde? [09:58] Yes [09:59] But all the DE savings are negligible when you end up opening a browser. That's what wastes RAM. === xenial is now known as Guest3142 [10:14] alkisg ya, browsers are very heavy these days [10:15] firefox is a dragon.. that is why i use chome [10:15] :) [10:17] anybody see what happened here shortly before the root filesystem became read only ? [10:17] https://dpaste.com/8WZRR8P93 [10:19] gabejackson, no? [10:20] what is this snapd stuff anyway? [10:20] !snap [10:20] Snaps are containerised software packages similar to Flatpaks and AppImages. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io [10:20] and snapd is the deamon to control/update/start them [10:22] alkisg also, lxde vs lxqt? [10:25] " Lubuntu moved to the LXQt desktop with the release of Lubuntu 18.10 in October 2018, due to the slow development of LXDE.." [10:25] also no gnome dependencies.. [10:31] thx oerheks [10:31] Hi [10:32] My ubuntu 20 randomly goes to reboot [10:32] I keep reading conspiracy theories that canonical is going to 100% replace all deb packages with snap. Is there any truth to that? [10:32] or logs out [10:33] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cMZjKmvcJF/ [10:33] here is syslog [10:35] Speaking of xebian, why is it that live-build no longer works with jammy? [10:39] stewmu, short answer; no. [10:39] and xebian, what is that? [10:39] not an ubuntu flavor. [10:40] Unit193 posted xebian, debian sid with xfce. Don't know why he posted it here, must have made a mistake. [10:40] stew wrong channel, try #debian [10:41] anyone knows solution to my problem [10:41] Payam, random reboot, check your powersupply and memory, memtest86 [10:41] How come lubuntu latest lts version is 16.04.3 LTS and ubuntu LTS is on 22.x ? ref https://lubuntu.net/downloads/ [10:42] That's the old lubuntu website. Here is the new one. https://lubuntu.me/ [10:42]