[00:19] <Funhouse> this thing after a command -d, is that called a flag?
[00:20] <Funhouse> i guess option
[00:20] <Funhouse> can there be more than one option sometimes like can i do -d -vvv ?
[00:21] <sarnold> it depends on the program, but it's very common, yes
[00:23] <MrMobius> I'm running ubuntu server on a newer netbook with 4gb ram but can't see how much battery is left since it's just a console. Would ubuntu desktop be likely to run well on a netbook? I just need console windows and the battery indicator, no web browsing or streaming.
[00:24] <tomreyn> Funhouse: GNU getopt is one way how these options are interpreted by applications and scripts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getopt - but there are others, so it's good to read !man pages and run applications with --help or -h
[00:24] <Funhouse> sarnold, thank you
[00:26] <tomreyn> MrMobius: then you're probably better off with some configurable tiling window manager. something like sway or i3, or even just tmux or byobu.
[00:26] <sarnold> MrMobius: try this? grep -r . /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/
[00:26] <MrMobius> tomreyn: ya tmux is what I use with ubuntu server and am happy with it. I just need to see how much battery is left which is the only reason to install a window manager.
[00:26] <tomreyn> MrMobius: you can configure most of these to run some CLI command and output the result somewhere on the screen, like building your own 'text desktop'
[00:27] <signofzeta> or use a GNU screen hardstatus line.  Mine has temperatures and free memory.
[00:27] <MrMobius> sarnold: yes, I have that set up now. I don't quite trust myself to switch out of what im doing and run that often enough to make sure the battery doesnt go dead
[00:28] <tomreyn> take a look at byobu, it shows such stats on the bottom
[00:28] <sarnold> MrMobius: another option is to try a fancy prompt plugin like liquidprompt or starship
[00:28] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh that's cool
[00:30] <tomreyn> and i never heard of liquidprompt or starship, that's cool, too :)
[00:31] <sarnold> I installed liquidprompt (in a 'jfdi' sense) a few years ago and it drastically improved my relationship with git :)
[00:32] <sarnold> I spent *years* with a simple "\$ " prompt, the fancier things felt so sluggish..
[00:32] <sarnold> but knowing what branch I'm on and how dirty the working directory is really was a nice change
[00:33] <tomreyn> no doubt of that if you git a lot.
[00:36] <tomreyn> MrMobius: in byobu, press F9 to enter the configuration menu, then select "toggle status notifications", then enable battery
[00:40] <MrMobius> thanks
[00:48] <DarkenedGentlema> What's the best practice for configuring networking on ubuntu 22.04 LTS?  /etc/netplan/01.conf, /etc/systemd/network/eth0.network?
[00:49] <Bashing-om> !netplan | DarkenedGentlema
[00:50] <DarkenedGentlema> That doesn't really help.
[00:59] <sarnold> netplan if you don't mind yaml; systemd .network files if you'd rather not use yaml, I think :)
[01:03] <tomreyn> DarkenedGentlema: for a desktop you'd probably want network manager, though (you didn't say what you're running)
[01:14] <tomahawk> i am not feeling well, need oxygen
[01:15] <tomahawk> i hope for a doctor
[01:17] <sarnold> getting medical advice on irc is not a great idea. please call a real doctor.
[01:29] <esv> what does it mean a repository is in a distUpgrade configuration file?
[01:32] <sarnold> heh that doesn't sound familiar; can you pastebin more context?
[01:34] <esv> I have the following file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft-edge.list.distUpgrade, which points to the repository where MSFT edge lives:
[01:35] <esv> deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge/ stable main
[01:35] <sarnold> aha!
[01:35] <sarnold> do-release-upgrade renames sources files with nonstandard repositories to ...distUpgrade, so that they're still around, but no longer influence apt
[01:35] <esv> but seems to be disabled or at least my box does not find the MSFT edge stable pkg
[01:35] <esv> thnx
[01:36] <esv> so, it can go
[01:36] <esv> gone
[01:36] <esv>  
[01:36] <esv> :D
[01:36] <sarnold> rename the file to end in .list -- and edit the line if necessary to reflect the new version
[01:36] <sarnold> hah, that also works, if you don't want it around any more ;)
[01:37] <esv> well, I cleaned up the distUpgrade ones and enabled the repos I am interested in using the .list ones.
[01:38] <sarnold> alright, sounds good then
[01:39] <esv> thanks, I just suck with Ubuntu, glad it is my desktop so I can brush up a tad.
[01:39] <sarnold> heh, that's one way to get good, force yourself to deal with it up close and personal, hehe
[01:39] <sarnold> .. just so long as it doesn't drive you to ragereplace it, I guess :)
[01:44] <esv> the other option is Windows, u tell me. :)
[01:44] <sarnold> that's what I switched away from!
[01:46] <esv> yeah, unfortunately I still need my winblows machine
[02:16] <pycurious1> Does anyone know how this rsync works -> https://dpaste.org/nANZB ?
[02:18] <sarnold> that %d/./.screenrc thing is a bit odd, I wonder why %d/.screenrc wasn't used
[02:19] <pycurious1> sarnold: does ssh replace those %d and %r etc with values?
[02:19] <sarnold> pycurious1: yeah, check out the table at the end of ssh_config(5)
[02:22] <pycurious1> sarnold: thanks! That helps a lot! not sure why %d/./.screenrc - but at least it looks like it should work
[02:23] <sarnold> yeah, it's a bit odd but i can't see why it *shouldn't* work, right? hehe
[03:13] <omega_doom> Why do i often have "The following packages have been kept back"? Do i need to do dist-upgrade?
[03:14] <sarnold> maybe, but it could also be apt 'phasing' the packages
[03:14] <sarnold> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345
[03:15] <omega_doom> This time i get "The following packages have been kept back" almost every upgrade.
[03:17] <omega_doom> Once i did dist-upgrade but was forced to rollback it because upgrade was faulty.
[03:17] <Bashing-om> omega_doom: One can check the status of phasing: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html .
[03:17] <omega_doom> now i have "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 17 not upgraded."
[03:18] <Khaotic> :wave:
[03:18] <Khaotic> crap this isnt discord
[03:18] <Khaotic> Hey o7
[03:20] <jhutchins> Khaotic: We mostly respond to support questions for Ubuntu, social niceties not required.
[03:20] <jhutchins> Khaotic: Hello.
[03:20] <jhutchins> o/
[03:31] <allysson_> Hello
[03:38] <VeridicalMech> Hello?
[03:39] <sarnold> hi
[03:39] <VeridicalMech> Wow people actually use this
[03:39] <sarnold> thousands, yeah :)
[03:39] <VeridicalMech> Tbh I expected it to be empty
[03:39] <sarnold> there's dozens of us!
[03:52] <omega_doom> i don't see phasing for these 17 packages in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[03:54] <sarnold> perhaps the upgrade requires removing a package in order to satisfy dependencies; try an apt-get dist-upgrade   --- and pay attention to what packages it suggests to remove, if any
[03:57] <omega_doom> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 17 not upgraded.
[03:57] <omega_doom> apt-get dist-upgrade didn;t do anything.
[04:03] <omega_doom> there is qtbase-opensource-src and i have qt packages kept back maybe i need to wait.
[04:12] <sarnold> omega_doom: you could try an apt policy qtbase-opensource-src   to learn more; or try apt install qtbase-opensource-src  -- it should tell you the consequences ..
[04:16] <omega_doom> Unable to locate package qtbase-opensource-src
[04:17] <sarnold> argh, sorry
[04:18] <sarnold> I didn't realize the source package didn't build a corresponding binary package
[04:18] <sarnold> you can see the binary packages built from that source package on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.15.3+dfsg-2ubuntu0.2
[04:19] <sarnold> it's time for me to head out, good luck :)
[05:42] <emmy1999> Hi boys, I just got into Docker and using Portainer to manage it. I plan on using Nginx Proxy Domain to route to subdomains. Should I install it inside of Portainer or should it be separate?
[05:48] <yensito> Hello anyone can help me? i did touch firefox settings and did a mes now i cant use the browser
[06:20] <alkisg> yensito: which ubuntu version, 22.04 with snap firefox or 20.04 with deb firefox?
[06:22] <yensito> i have firefox 91.11.0esr (64bit)
[06:22] <yensito> oh
[06:22] <yensito> i have with DEB
[06:23] <yensito> i did
[06:23] <yensito> i did go to privacy &security then to vew certificates and i did remove it all!
[06:23] <yensito> now when it say "your certificates" there is nothing, and when i try to surf a webpage it dont let me enter
[06:23] <yensito> I think i need to import all certificates again but i dont know here they are ow where to download
[06:25] <alkisg> yensito: strange that you have firefox esr, but anyway try to close it, then mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bad, then re-run firefox
[06:27] <yensito> alkisg, damn! i think it works ! you saved me !
[06:28] <yensito> also i did learn a new think on how to move bad configs hehe
[06:28] <alkisg> yensito: ok, if you need anything like bookmarks they're in ~/.mozilla.bad
[06:28] <yensito> thank you so much bro!
[06:28] <alkisg> 👍️
[06:28] <yensito> i did backup the bookbarks before
[06:28] <yensito> so now i will just import them
[06:28] <yensito> bookmarks*
[07:57] <manwhowouldbekin> Hello! Could someone tell me how I should approach resolving this? Should I invest time in resolving this? https://pastebin.com/pe20Ge1h
[08:09] <jelly> since 20.04, gnome terminal opens different profiles each in their own window.  How do I revert to opening a new tab in the same window that I clicked, regardless of the profile chosen?
[08:11] <ledeni> jelly, make your profile and make default
[08:12] <yensito> i did retired from ubuntu when they remove gnome in version 2.0 to 3.0
[08:12] <yensito> because my pc does not support 3.0 so i need to stick to gnome to it works, not everybody have access to a better computer
[08:15] <yensito> I did use ububuntu debian and linux, thank you to nelson mandela
[08:22] <complotist> Hello.  What would be the best way to log what a remote script connecting through ssh is doing ?
[08:23] <complotist> as it doesn't open a bash prompt (it seems), nothing gets logged in ~/.bash_history (or because the way the connexion ends, nothing gets saved; I'm not sure)
[08:24] <complotist> s/open a/&n interactive/
[09:33] <oerheks> last reboot | less
[09:50] <g105b> I'm running 22.04 and trying to install the package php8.1-dev but I'm getting the following error, and unsure how to proceed, please can someone advise? https://termbin.com/5qw9
[09:51] <oerheks> pop os?
[09:51] <g105b> Yes, how did you know?
[09:51] <oerheks> g105b, see tiopic, no derivate support, i am sure pop os has iots own channel here on #libera
[09:51] <g105b> Oh I see the URLs
[09:52] <g105b> oerheks, ok I thought this was to do with APT rather than the distribution.
[09:52] <oerheks> and the ondrey ppa, also not supported even if you had ubuntu
[09:52] <g105b> No, but I thought the process of resolving this issue would be package/distro agnostic
[09:52] <g105b> Sorry, I'll ask elsewhere.
[09:53] <oerheks> #system76 or https://chat.pop-os.org/
[10:11] <ryanx1337> yo
[10:11] <ryanx1337> what's good
[10:11] <g105b> ryan-c: cheese
[11:13] <Guest87> Has the oomd killing off applications such as firefox been fixed yet?
[11:14] <oerheks> the only application i know that uses OOM killer frequently, is only Firefox
[11:14] <Guest87> Right. Has that been fixed yet with 22.04.1?
[11:20] <Maik> Guest87: read the releasenotes
[11:20] <Maik> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[11:21] <oerheks> guest i don' t know, do you have a bug report number?
[11:21] <Maik> Guest87: also https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-point-release-changes/29835
[11:22] <oerheks> and one can change settings per application https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/choom.1.html
[11:23] <Guest87> Reading through the release notes, they haven't backported the patch yet from git to 22.04.
[11:26] <Maik> Guest87: 22.04 is over, when you run 22.04 you automatically have 22.04.1 via the updates, so you basically run 22.04.1 already
[12:16] <hermano> Since installation of ubuntu 22.04 and back to 20.04 I have had sever problems with headset where during the usage, ubuntus sound settings goes nuts. Literally the output device dissapears during the listening with headset. It got a bit better by using pipewire, but problems are back.
[12:17] <hermano> Otherwise I am quite happy with 22.04, I hope to avoid moving back to Ubuntu 18.04 or even moving away from ubuntu, due to these sound problems.
[12:18] <hermano> Intestering plugging in bluetooth works awesome.
[12:18] <rapha> hi all!
[12:18] <hermano> If i unplugg/plugg-in the headset the sound device comes back.
[12:19] <R4v3n> hermano, usb or mini-jack ? With or without mic ?
[12:19] <rapha> can somebody help me to try and get an nvidia gpu working on a headless server? (i just need cuda) ... everything's installed but according to nvidia-smi, no device was found...
[12:19] <hermano> R4v3n, Headset is "Jabra Evolve 20 MS", but same issue with another brand.
[12:20] <hermano> R4v3n, USB.
[12:20] <R4v3n> rapha, are you sure your version of the driver supports your GPU ? are you sure "nouveau" is blacklisted ?
[12:20] <rapha> aha, "blacklist nouveau", one thing to try
[12:20] <R4v3n> hermano, I have no experience with USB headsets, sorry. Good old mini-jack :)
[12:20] <johnny_> is this a irc channel?
[12:21] <rapha> my gpu is an RTX2060 i'd sure hope that'd be supported by 515
[12:21] <rapha> johnny_: yes it is
[12:21] <R4v3n> it seems johnny_
[12:21] <johnny_> thanks
[12:22] <R4v3n> rapha, driver from ubuntu's repo or the script from the nvidia website ?
[12:22] <rapha> ubuntu
[12:22] <R4v3n> should have disabled nouveau itself so
[12:23] <R4v3n> which GPU ? which nvidia driver version ?
[12:23] <rapha> ah ok
[12:23] <rapha> RTX2060 and driver 515
[12:23] <rapha> R4v3n: https://i.imgur.com/dUFkqUD.png
[12:26] <rapha> just found out that i might want to try blacklisting i2c_nvidia_gpu ... rebooting now, but it usually takes 8-10 minutes
[12:26] <R4v3n> too recent stuff for me but, look at your top lines in your dmesg. "module verification failed" seems not cool as it taints kernel
[12:26] <rapha> isn't that normal for binary modules R4v3n?
[12:26] <ogra> yeah
[12:26] <rapha> ok
[12:26] <ogra> rapha, di you use the -server package of the driver ?
[12:26] <rapha> yes, ogra
[12:26] <ogra> *did
[12:27] <rapha> perhaps that's for enterprise hardware only? mine is a consumer card..
[12:27] <ogra> hmm, hat should work then
[12:27] <ogra> nah
[12:27] <rapha> ok
[12:27] <R4v3n> weird, I don't have those messages on all my setups (with nvidia driver from ubuntu's repos, or with the script from nvidia website)
[12:27] <rapha> the server is a DELL PowerEdge R820 rack server for what it's worth ... before that the card was in a PowerEdge T320 which is a tower.
[12:28] <blockg> yo
[12:28] <rapha> R4v3n: the i2c message stuff i remember having on the T320 as well. the others, can't remember.
[12:28] <R4v3n> ok
[12:29] <R4v3n> (i'm using Supermicro ang Gigabyte servers, no dells ^^)
[12:30] <rapha> what i can definitely say about the dells is that the mechanical design is super practical and sometimes downright sexy
[12:31] <rapha> things like lifting the balcony with the top 2 CPUs and their RAM out and putting it back in are just superbly done
[12:33] <R4v3n> well, pretty simple on supermicro's multinodes racks too :) and half the price of Dell
[12:36] <helloworldV2> how to i scroll in irssi?
[12:38] <rapha> pg up pg down, no?
[12:43] <rapha> R4v3n: okay, problem found. my custom power cable isn't up to snuff. i thought i could get away without Sense A / Sense B, alas, apparently not.
[12:44] <rapha> at least it seems the drivers are correctly installed.
[12:46] <helloworldV2> bruh
[12:47] <rapha> R4v3n: https://i.imgur.com/dl5iHnc.jpg ... unsure about the lower left and upper right pins on the motherboard connector (right in the picture). from what i think to understand about the PCI-E specs, Sense A and B should either be GND or not connected at all ... so went for not connected at all.
[12:47] <oerheks> irssi, for page up and down, see this bind command https://askubuntu.com/a/651811
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:57] <matt_> hello. I have an issue on Ubuntu 22.04 where if I use a browser that nests the focus with dialog boxes, I eventually can't do anything because the mouse focus seems to be on another "layer". Example: open email. Click attachment button. Firefox nothing happens. Chrome will at least open file browsing window but then can press the submit button to complete the attachment presumably because it thinks the focus is still on the file browsing
[12:57] <matt_> window maybe?
[13:18] <mrt> slm
[13:43] <R4v3n> rapha, can't you find an adapter, to copy the design or to order it ? That could be cleaner :)
[13:45] <rapha> hahah
[13:45] <rapha> no
[13:45] <rapha> dell doesn't tell you about even the existence of a 12V connector
[13:45] <rapha> let alone its specs
[13:45] <rapha> let alone a cable like this
[13:46] <rapha> this is datacenter hardware, it's not supposed to have a feckin GPU in it
[13:46] <rapha> and i had to saw off part of the GPU's plastic covering to make it physically fit
[13:46] <R4v3n> rapha, i mean a bit of search like this : https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/cpu-power-connected-to-gpu.3716574/
[13:46] <rapha> but if i succeed i will have 48 CPU cores and 384 GB of RAM to play Tomb Raider on mwahahahah
[13:47] <SudoBash> Server hardware isn't really geared towards that sort of workload...
[13:47] <R4v3n> rapha, oh yes yes I know that. My 8 GPUs gigabyte server at work is design for quadros & teslas only. But unofficially, gigabyte is selling an adapter for GTX GPU ^^
[13:47] <ravage> !ot
[13:47] <rapha> SudoBash: i have 2000W of power available. the GPU needs 160W. i've staked this out very well.
[13:48] <rapha> sorry ravage
[13:48] <rapha> R4v3n: got a link to that server?
[13:48] <SudoBash> it's not that, server CPU's aren't really designed for gaming, but server workloads?
[13:48] <R4v3n> https://www.gigabyte.com/Enterprise/GPU-Server/G250-G52-rev-500
[13:48] <rapha> just a j/k SudoBash ... it'll for CUDA
[13:48] <rapha> +be
[13:48] <rapha> thx R4v3n
[13:48] <R4v3n> 8x 1080Ti
[13:49] <R4v3n> for opencl
[13:49] <rapha> also, R4v3n it's using Ubuntu ;)
[13:49] <R4v3n> pretty great :)
[13:49] <R4v3n> it is
[13:49]  * rapha bookmarks that to show to the boss when things are too slow again
[13:49] <R4v3n> SudoBash, well, games are not really design for CPUs :D I mean, games are not that hard with CPUs, compared to some scientific algorithms
[13:50] <R4v3n> rapha, that's an "old" model, I bet there's a newer
[13:50] <rapha> we always buy old ... academia ... money's always tight
[13:50] <R4v3n> btw it's pretty loud when it's loaded (and eat a lot of power)
[13:50] <R4v3n> but it's a great machine
[13:50] <SudoBash> Go try gaming on a XEON and come back and let us know performance and of any crashes you experience
[13:51] <R4v3n> SudoBash, on Linux or Windows ? :D
[13:51] <rapha> oh the R820 is loud as well ... think starting turboprop when it's booting up
[13:51] <R4v3n> because on windows, no problem
[13:51] <R4v3n> SudoBash, I have some good old Itanium2 somewhere, I could try :p
[13:51] <gordonjcp> I'm using a dual Xeon machine right now
[13:51] <rapha> SudoBash: i have in fact done this ... Shadow of the Tomb Raider ... no crash. insane performance. the GPU become the only bottleneck, it's like letting it off a leash.
[13:51] <gordonjcp> what do you want to test?
[13:52] <SudoBash> Maybe my CPU was bad when I tried then?
[13:52] <rapha> gordonjcp: i'm stuffing an RTX into a rack server which is not made for it. i just wanted confirmation that Sense A and Sense B are intended to be pulled low to GND.
[13:52] <gordonjcp> rapha: probably
[13:52] <rapha> SudoBash: perhaps ... Xeons are very stable in my experience.
[13:53] <R4v3n> yep
[13:53] <gordonjcp> rapha: weirdly my HP Z800 needs a bit sawn out of the plastic-and-metal card support lid to let me fit a GTX970
[13:53] <SudoBash> yea, for server loads, I always read that's what they were optimized for instead of desktop work loads
[13:53] <rapha> gordonjcp: same here! only plastic though. had to saw off about 6cm.
[13:53] <gordonjcp> SudoBash: the Xeon is pretty good for video editing
[13:53] <gordonjcp> SudoBash: ludicrous RAM bandwidth, which is what you need
[13:53] <R4v3n> btw rapha, now we are using EPYCs for our CPU algorithms, that's great for the price, very great
[13:54] <gordonjcp> rapha: yeah I think I need to mill out a bit of the plastic to leave room
[13:55] <rapha> R4v3n: it's OCR in my case. and I/O speed (and consequently CPU) is the bottleneck before the data have been uploaded to the GPU. then for a brief period the GPU can become maxed out. but yeah, if i was given enough budget i bet it would be awesome to mix EPYC CPUs with something like a modern Tesla ... alas, all i get is this RTX2060.
[13:56] <rapha> gordonjcp: GTX980 is what i use for gaming at home btw. no money in the bank for an RTX, i assume same for you?
[13:57] <Arlion> Good Morning, I'm troubleshooting a very weird issue I've seen once every couple of months now. systemd appears to re-init, which kicks the journal and network process to also restart. This directly effects keepalived to failover. https://paste.centos.org/view/f1798dde
[13:57] <Arlion> Anyone seen anything like this. Exactly nothing appears in the logs.
[13:58] <oerheks> Arlion, and what doe the centos guys say of this?
[13:58] <Arlion> i didn't want to log into ubuntu to make a paste.
[13:58] <Arlion> they are ubuntu 18
[13:59] <Arlion> So, in the same night. My other openstack environment does the exact same thing, and my ceph cluster. In the same night. I lost keepalived to failover on a dozen different servers and I don't have anything to move on
[14:00] <gordonjcp> rapha: yeah I can't really justify that sort of money, tbh
[14:00] <oerheks> 18.04 got an systemd update today; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/systemd
[14:00] <gordonjcp> rapha: I could buy a ridiculous machine for video editing but it's a hobby, if it was a tool for a job then I'd spend the money
[14:00] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/systemd/+changelog
[14:01] <Arlion> so i was hesitant to blame automatic patching because the automatic patching kicks off 30-60 minutes after the outage...
[14:03] <Arlion> systemd restart at: [Wed Sep 14 05:20:44 2022], unattended upgrades kicks off at "2022-09-14 06:20:51,402 INFO Packages that will be upgraded:"
[14:03] <nysk> test
[14:03] <Arlion> all my servers are set to utc time to, so i have no reason to believe a tz issue in these logs
[14:03] <Arlion> nysk: test recieved
[14:10] <Arlion> oerheks: after doing more research i think i have enough to go on to resolve this issue. I'm tired of waking up at 2am to resolve this issue so i appreciate your time.
[14:17] <tomreyn> Arlion: are you saying no messages were logged by journald between Aug 30 and Sep 14?
[14:17] <tomreyn> that would be a really long time for no logs
[14:18] <Arlion> that is dmesg, of course journal is logging, but nothing in those logs are antyhing remotly interesting. just auditd and every minute crontab kicking off.
[14:19] <Arlion> My current solution is to apt-mark hold haproxy, keepalived and haproxy.
[14:19] <tomreyn> i see. i can't come up with a good theory as to what might trigger the systemd restart other than unattended-upgrades
[14:20] <oerheks> only the recent update today, 20 hrs ago?
[14:20] <Arlion> yea, i would agree with you just this time and last time the unattended upgrades ran 30-60 minutes after systemd restarting. So yeah, im setting those packages on hold and see how things change.
[14:20] <tomreyn> you just listed haproxy twice.
[14:20] <Arlion> keepalived, haproxy and systemd
[14:20] <Arlion> oerheks: all logs are in ITC
[14:20] <Arlion> UTC
[14:22] <tomreyn> i assume lastlog didn't provide any insight either?
[14:22] <tomreyn> but if you have auditd you're probably catching logins seperately anyways
[14:23] <tomreyn> you could check systemd timers and atd, too
[14:24] <tomreyn> the better place to discuss server miracles may be #ubuntu-server btw.
[14:25] <tomreyn> i still don't understand why these events would cause keepalived to trigger a failover.
[14:28] <hays> how would someone get a locale of C.UTF locale vs one that specifies the country code?
[14:28] <hays> ubuntu 22.04
[14:29] <rapha> gordonjcp: fair enough. and if the hobby is video editing and not gaming then the GTX instead of an RTX makes perfect sense, too.
[14:31] <Arlion> systemd restart causes network restart, which keepalived sees as an outage, so it fails over. Except all servers restart at the same time causing keepalived to assign no slave.
[14:31] <Arlion> s/slave/master
[14:35] <coconut> hays, try gnome-language-selector
[14:35] <hays> there is no gnome
[14:35] <coconut> hays, what DE you have installed then?
[14:36] <hays> none
[14:36] <coconut> then i don't know
[14:39] <Arlion> hays: https://askubuntu.com/questions/193251/how-to-set-all-locale-settings-in-ubuntu
[15:03] <laguna> i tried to install some updates but there seems to be broken dependencies
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> laguna: can you share in a !paste bin please?
[15:04] <laguna> lotuspsychje i have a couple of lines of output how do i pastebin it
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[15:07] <laguna> lotuspsyche here is link for broken packages https://dpaste.com/DZ3NPA2CJ
[15:07] <oerheks> run a proper sudo apt update first?
[15:07] <laguna> oerheks i did
[15:08] <laguna> oerheks there is a version mismatch in the dependencies
[15:09] <jhutchins> Is there an equivalent of "logwatch" for systemd journals?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> !info logwatch
[15:13] <oerheks> laguna try; sudo apt install -f
[15:13] <oerheks> or/and sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:13] <laguna> oerheks sudo apt install -f whatfile
[15:14] <oerheks> no, just apt install -f
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> jhutchins: cant journactl log systemd logs too?
[15:14] <laguna> oerheks that did not fix the bad dependencies posted in the url at dpaste
[15:15] <laguna> oerheks i also tried the dpkg command but it did not fix the broken dependencies either
[15:16] <genii> You could just try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-release-upgrader-core=1:22.04.13
[15:17] <oerheks> i am not sure where 1:22.04.13 comes from, as dependencie
[15:17] <laguna> genii it says it is already set to newest version ...13
[15:18] <laguna> genii the problem is it wants to install 14 but another ubuntu package needs 13
[15:18] <laguna> genii look at the dpaste i posted
[15:19] <genii> Alternately find the ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt deb file in /var/cache/archives and tell it to ignore dependency warnings with sudo dpkg -i --force-depends
[15:20] <oerheks>  apt show ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[15:21] <oerheks> apt-cache depends ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[15:22] <oerheks> can you pastebin the output?
[15:23] <laguna> oerheks ok here is the output of show https://dpaste.com/29SCG34JP
[15:24] <laguna> oeheks i might try what genii said about dpkg --force-depends
[15:25] <ioria> laguna, maybe also 'apt-cache policy ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt '
[15:25] <laguna> oerheks but that doesn't really fix the broken dependency issue
[15:25] <genii> laguna: I wrote the path incorrectly earlier, the deb file should be somewhere in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[15:26] <ioria> the new version ( 1:22.04.14) is in jammy-updates/universe  not in universe , you should have it already enabled
[15:27] <ioria> laguna,   check  your  'apt-cache policy ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt '
[15:28] <laguna> ioria ok here is policy output https://dpaste.com/73MCEBDYX
[15:28] <ioria> laguna, k it's still (phased 70%)
[15:28] <ioria> laguna, you need to wait a bit
[15:29] <laguna> ioria ok i will wait and see if it corrects itself
[15:29] <ioria> you can force it ofc, if you are in hurry :þ
[15:30] <laguna> genii instead of --force-depends i think i will just wait a while
[15:31]  * genii wanders back to the coffeepot
[15:32] <ledeni> laguna, sudo apt-mark hold ubuntu-release-upgrader-core && sudo apt upgrade
[15:34] <ogra> laguna, they are phased updates ... just be patient
[15:34] <ogra> (or alternatively mention both packages in an apt install command to force-override the phasing)
[15:35] <ogra> (oops ... totally missed that ioria already mentioned that 🙂 )
[15:36] <laguna> ledeni that stopped the broken package issue but i am not sure if the package installed
[15:37] <ogra> no. that does the opposite ("mark hold" completely blocks it from upgrading)
[15:37] <laguna> ogra well how will i upgrade it later
[15:37] <ledeni> laguna, ok now sudo apt-mark unhold ubuntu-release-upgrader-core && sudo apt upgrade
[15:38] <ogra> right ... you unlock it with "apt-mark unhold ..." again
[15:38] <laguna> ledeni ok now it has the broken package sign again..i guess i will just wait
[15:39] <ogra> (but i doubt that changes the phasing ... to force the upgrade you'd do "apt install ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt" ... that makes apt ignore the phasing)
[15:41] <laguna> ok ogra that fixed the broken package and all the ubuntus installed 14
[15:41] <ogra> right
[15:41] <laguna> ogra thanks ogra that was good advice
[15:41] <ogra> 🙂
[15:51] <webchat28> I have an issue I think is a bug with either kernel or auditd.  I am using the Ubuntu official 20.04 LTS images, and I have random issues with the instances launched having broken auditd start.  including error "Error receiving audit netlink packet (No buffer space available)"
[15:51] <jelly> ledeni, I already have a dozen profiles, usually each running their own ssh command.  I want ssh to different machines, as tabs in one window, preferably not to have to type in those literal ssh or autossh commands but pick them from a menu.
[15:51] <webchat28> Looking for proper channel to get help
[15:52] <webchat28> I can trigger the odd behavior by applying the CIS recommended 4.1.1.4 remediation of adding "audit_backlog_limit=8192" to kernel boot command line
[15:53] <jelly> ledeni, don't think a single default profile would help.  I already have a default profile and want one or more tabs of that, and also one tab with other profile, in same window.
[16:04] <alkisg> jelly: I'm not using gnome, so just an idea, you could check for a related gsetting in a file maybe called /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.terminal.gschema.xml, or if no related setting exists, apt install mate-terminal, it still supports it
[16:14]  * johnny_ I am a developer
[16:14] <johnny_> Is there somone??
[16:14] <jhutchins> johnny_: Over 1000 people here last I checked.
[16:15] <johnny_> I'm trying to enter in #debina
[16:15] <johnny_> #debian
[16:18]  * ogra also always goes to #fedora to tell people he will now enter #ubuntu 😛
[16:27] <alkisg> I'm running `ua enable usg` and it ways "Ubuntu Security Guid is not available for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)", is that temporary, and if so, any ETA?
[16:36] <alkisg> The only reference I find about it is in https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-advantage-client/issues/2156, in which they want to hide unavailable services... if usg is not available anymore, did something replace it?
[16:37] <ledeni> jelly, you looking something like this https://imgur.com/a/lHFPt8X
[16:38] <ogra> alkisg, sounds worth filing a new issue IMHO
[16:38] <alkisg> ogra: thanks, where, on that github tracker?
[16:38] <ogra> yeah, with that error message you see
[16:38] <alkisg> Thanks, doing
[16:45] <alkisg> Done, https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-advantage-client/issues/2245
[16:47] <ogra> 👍
[16:51] <clarkk> I'm reading this guide to accessing a system remotely.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers  It says I have to go to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop, but I only have (root) access to the system via ssh. Is there any way for me to configure this?
[16:54] <alkisg> clarkk: is that ubuntu gnome 22.04 desktop with wayland?
[16:54] <clarkk> alkisg, It's the latest ubuntu 22.04 with gnome. Not sure if it's wayland.
[16:55] <alkisg> And you have something like autologin enabled locally, and then you want to VNC to it remotely?
[16:57] <ravage> clarkk, /org/gnome/desktop/remote-desktop/rdp/enable is the dconf path gor remote-desktop for example
[16:57] <clarkk> I haven't really set anything up on it. I just had time to install the system and had to leave
[16:57] <ravage> if you want to find out what all GUI settings do you can try it on a system you have GUI access to and run "dconf watch /"
[16:57] <ravage> it will watch all changes you do on the GUI
[16:57] <clarkk> locally I only have 20.04 unfortunately
[16:58] <ravage> start a VM
[16:59] <clarkk> ravage, what is the file that dconf edits?
[17:01] <ravage> its a GVariant Database file
[17:01] <ravage> do not edit it directly
[17:01] <clarkk> ok
[17:02] <clarkk> if I can get someone to do it for me at the remote location, can I then use remmina to connect to it?
[17:03] <ravage> yes
[17:03] <clarkk> ok, I'll give it a go and come back if I can't get it working. Thanks a lot
[17:03] <ravage> you can try it remotely too but i think setting the login user and password is a little tricky
[17:03] <ravage> https://gitlab.gnome.org/-/snippets/1778
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[17:44] <oerheks> no spam here, Morpheus_37
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[17:46] <oerheks> !ops
[17:46] <genii> meh
[17:48] <arkanoid> how can I have teamviewer like for linnux
[17:49] <arkanoid> everything I try opens a new session
[17:50] <oerheks> the teamvieuwer site gives an Ubuntu deb download and howto, but not supported by us
[17:51] <oerheks> build in remote control, xrdp, x2go, are other options
[17:58] <OnkelTem> Hi. Why do we keep seeing this after every fresh Ubuntu install: "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"
[17:58] <OnkelTem> ?
[18:02] <ravage> OnkelTem, rub "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[18:02] <ravage> *running may work better than rubbing it
[18:03] <oerheks> sudo locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8" && sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ;; that is if you are in the US
[18:04] <Gallomimia> what is this pending update of the snap store? i don't seem to know how to update that one. i learned to snap refresh when those popups said X program needs a new... i've updated to LTS and run command line tools for updating things and it persists in telling me i need an update to avoid disruptions
[18:04] <arkanoid> oerheks: xrdp and x2go opens a new session, doesn't change what happens in front of the real user
[18:04] <arkanoid> oerheks: just had success with rustdesk, yay!
[18:04] <ravage> Gallomimia, keep the snap store closed for a while and it will auto update. or close it and run "sudo snap refresh"
[18:05] <Gallomimia> ..... closed? it is not open
[18:05] <Gallomimia> PS what snap store?
[18:05] <oerheks> phased updates, just wait for it.
[18:05] <ravage> the one that open when you type "snap-store" into your terminal
[18:06] <Gallomimia> having never done that.... what gives you the impression it might be open?
[18:06] <ravage> run "sudo snap refresh snap-store"
[18:06] <ravage> it may complain about a running process
[18:07] <Gallomimia> indeed it does... ubuntu-software pids 2996
[18:07] <ravage> "kill 2996"
[18:07] <ravage> then try again
[18:07] <oerheks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[18:08] <Gallomimia> the way that paragraph at the top reads oerheks i'm probably someone who wants to wait and see?
[18:08] <ravage> i dont think any phased updates are involved here
[18:08] <ravage> this it a snap thing
[18:09] <Gallomimia> snapity dapity, it runs real crapity
[18:09] <ravage> the desktop expericence needs improvements for sure. but thats what we have to deal with atm
[18:10] <Gallomimia> my experience with 21.10 led me to believe they're ditching a bunch of gnu to change license models or something, and the state of transition as that shift happens was... painful
[18:10] <ravage> Gallomimia, feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[18:10] <jhutchins> The desktop "market" is still a novelty, servers is where the big developments happen.
[18:11] <Gallomimia> ya seems to me most of the revenue involved at canonical is around subs for server support. sounds like it would be a lot of fun to use systems with those advanced capabilities. let's try to not discuss in support tho
[18:12] <Gallomimia> anyway, it seems the kill command allowed the refresh to happen and things are looking a bit more normal
[18:12] <urrra43> e
[18:13] <urrra43> irssi or weechat
[18:13] <Gallomimia> is there any way to corral notifications into a window that i can move around, or to at least duplicate the menu bar to another screen besides main?
[18:13] <oerheks> urrra43, no.
[18:13] <Gallomimia> my main screen needs to be the main screen for many reasons. would love to move the top menu bar around, put in more than one place... etc.
[18:16] <kinghat> oh ya i was just looking to ask about updating code but snap was saying: error: cannot refresh "code": snap "code" has running apps (code), pids: 30921
[18:16] <ogra> yeah, stop it and try again
[18:16] <oerheks> sudo killall code
[18:17] <kinghat> only way via kill 30921?
[18:17] <oerheks> if that is the real name
[18:17] <ogra> hmm?
[18:17] <ogra> why would an edior have any background processes running
[18:17] <Gallomimia> well i don't know what code is as far as a program goes but. it's better if you tell the program to quit itself. save changes. write out configuration files. etc.
[18:17] <kinghat> why doesnt snap have control over the snap app thats running 🤔
[18:18] <kinghat> visual studio code
[18:18] <Gallomimia> on that subject yeah. snap should have an option -flag or something to allow sending a signal to the app in question prior to proceeding with the refresh
[18:18] <oerheks> if this is vscode, it is wonky..
[18:18] <kinghat> i exited code normally
[18:18] <ogra> the snap-store (alias gnome-software) is actually running a user session daemon .... but code surely should not
[18:18] <kinghat> i dont show any code processes running either
[18:19] <Gallomimia> hm. well, time to start asking who made that snap you're running, and whether they hid any hitch hikers inside
[18:19] <oerheks> top might show it?
[18:19] <ogra> kinghat, snap *does* have control ... but the snap would also auto-update quietly ... would you want it to close the window for you loosing your open projects while you are in the middle of typing a line ?
[18:20] <Gallomimia> no one suggested it should kill -9 the program. the program SHOULD catch a sigterm and ask you if you want to save
[18:20] <ogra> Gallomimia, the code snap comes actually from icrosoft themselves (see "snap info code" )
[18:21] <ogra> *microsoft
[18:21] <kinghat> htop shows no process with that id or "code" as the name.
[18:21] <Gallomimia> curiouser and curiouser
[18:21] <kinghat> ogra: no but also ive exited the app so it should be able to update
[18:21] <ogra> well, *something* from the snap is running ... snapd is clever enough in that regard
[18:22] <kinghat> can snapd tell me that?
[18:22] <ogra> not really ...
[18:22] <ogra> probably thorough some magic via the kernels cgroups ...
[18:24] <kinghat> 30921 ?        Ss     0:00 gpg-agent --homedir /home/kinghat/.gnupg --use-standard-socket --daemon
[18:25] <ogra> thats the key agent from your desktop
[18:25] <ogra> serving your security keys
[18:26] <kinghat> why would that hold up code snap?
[18:26] <ogra> ??
[18:26] <ogra> what makes you think it does
[18:27] <kinghat> $ sudo snap refresh code
[18:27] <kinghat> error: cannot refresh "code": snap "code" has running apps (code), pids: 30921
[18:27] <ogra> oh
[18:27] <ogra> so code probably conected to it
[18:27] <ogra> kill it then ...
[18:27] <kinghat> kill code or the agent?
[18:28] <ogra> the pid snapd tells you about
[18:29] <kinghat> will that effect anything using or going to use the agent?
[18:30] <kinghat> guess we'll find out. killed and refreshed. thanks
[18:30] <ogra> kinghat, if it came frm the desktop it would respawn anyway
[18:35] <kinghat> 👌
[18:53] <jhutchins> I wish the packagers would do a better job of using the "games" classification; possibly restrict games from running under any user not in group "games".
[18:54] <jhutchins> It's parental and draconian, but somtimes it would be convenient to disable games for some users
[18:54] <ShadowWolf> Hi
[18:54] <alkisg> You can do it yourself, it's not a suitable default
[18:55] <alkisg> You can also create a program to allow playing hours
[18:55] <ShadowWolf> anyone know where I can find the ubuntu kernel list?
[18:55] <rbasak> ShadowWolf: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kernel-team
[18:56] <ShadowWolf> Tnks
[19:01] <ShadowWolf> rbasak , tnks, I need a list of at least the last ones, do you know where I can find it?
[19:01] <sarnold> ShadowWolf: can you rephrase your question?
[19:02] <ShadowWolf> I need to list the latest available kernel releases
[19:03] <ShadowWolf> for develop in api internal
[19:03] <sarnold> apt-cache search linux-image   is pretty good start
[19:04] <ShadowWolf> yes, it can't be this one.
[19:05] <ShadowWolf> I need develop a script that will get it from a ubuntu repository.
[19:07] <ravage> ShadowWolf, https://help.launchpad.net/API/
[19:07] <sarnold> ShadowWolf: apt-get update && apt-cache search linux-image ?
[19:08] <rbasak> ShadowWolf: I think it would help if you could explain the actual problem you're trying to solve
[19:13] <ShadowWolf> i Work with support fixing kernel crashes in bugs. a lot of the problems are from corrupted kernels, I'm automating kernel repair,for this, i need some canonical api where i can search the latest kernels.for this, I need some canonial api or kernel list  where I can search the latest kernels and through script install them on the machines.
[19:14] <ShadowWolf> I currently do it manually
[19:15] <sarnold> so... I'd expect the kernel updates to be installed automatically by unattended-upgrades -- I'm really curious why this isn't a matter of "reboot into the newest kernel"?
[19:15] <ShadowWolf> through another device, I access the HD and list the faulty kernel and paste the same kernel
[19:16] <rbasak> What do you mean by "corrupted kernels" and "kernel repair"?
[19:16] <ShadowWolf> I notice, when someone does some installation and the equipment does not boot.
[19:17] <ShadowWolf> The user has made improper changes to the system.
[19:17] <ShadowWolf> \_o_/
[19:18] <rbasak> For physical hardware, the linux-image-generic metapackage always depends on the latest kernel. Can't you just install that?
[19:20] <ShadowWolf> I'm seeing a way to automate.
[19:20] <ShadowWolf> Where it would get the kernel from the url and automatically insert it
[19:20] <sarnold> when a user comes to you with a problem, what steps do you take to troubleshoot and fix it?
[19:21] <EriC^^> !version
[19:22] <ShadowWolf> 146 / 5.000
[19:22] <ShadowWolf> Resultados de tradução
[19:22] <ShadowWolf> Try to boot the equipment, via terminal "f7", when it gets to me, it has already gone through 2 previous steps. I am called only in the latter case.
[19:24] <rbasak> Why do you want a url to use directly instead of using apt?
[19:25] <ShadowWolf> because it does not boot the system, I connect the HD to another device and perform the repair, check the kernel that is on the HD, and insert it manually.
[19:26] <ShadowWolf> Then I put it back and use APT to fix more things.
[19:27] <sarnold> my guesses: (a) you should be ask grub to boot into an earlier kernel or a recovery mode and skip removing the hard drive (b) if for some reason reinstalling the package is actually necessary, you should be able to use apt install --reinstall <whatver kernel package>
[19:27] <ravage> and how does a link help you here? you should be able to enter the system on the HDD with chroot and fix it
[19:27] <ravage> you could probably push some diag/fix script on there and run it
[19:27] <ravage> it only needs some scripting with ap
[19:27] <ravage> t
[19:27] <sarnold> I've never actually seen a kernel or modules corrupted in such a way to require a reinstall, so it's definitely worth figuring out what your users are doing that put you in this situation
[19:29] <ravage> it is already really hard to also kill the older kernel available in the grub menu
[19:29] <ravage> not my accident
[19:29] <ravage> *by
[19:29] <ShadowWolf> I fix it with Caine, I'm creating a script to "Automate" it goes and automatically checks the version and then goes there on the kernel site.....ubuntu for example and already installs the same version as before.
[19:29] <jhutchins> I've maybe seen a corrupt initrd, but that was corrupted when it was created.
[19:31] <ShadowWolf> sarnold, I work in a company that develops programs for linux
[19:32] <rbasak> Ah - so you already know the specific package name and version, and want a URL to the pristine binary for it? Even if it's not currently available via apt?
[19:34] <ShadowWolf> tnks for help.
[19:34] <rbasak> You go to eg. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/amd64/linux-image-unsigned-5.15.0-47-generic/5.15.0-47.51
[19:34] <rbasak> There's a download URL from there.
[19:35] <rbasak> To automate, this is also available via API.
[19:36] <johnny_linux> the big task would be able to make sure the url is up to date
[19:37] <rbasak> If you want the up-to-date package, then you can use apt to get the URL, even if not on the target machine.
[19:37] <johnny_linux> ^
[19:38] <ravage> if you attach the HDD to a working system with internet it really should be no big deal to get the broken system online
[19:38] <ravage> if the problem is only a broken kernel
[19:39] <ShadowWolf> ravage, yes , i already to day. I want automate this.
[19:39] <ravage> and as sarnold said: if the problem is always the same and you can use the same commands to fix it all the time maybe better find out what happens
[19:39] <ShadowWolf> It can be via Api or URL, as long as it is direct from canonal
[19:40] <ravage> you can find the apt commands above really
[19:52] <ravage> dpkg-query -W -f '${db:Status-Status} ${Package}\n' 'linux-image-[0-9]*' | awk '$1 == "installed" {print}'
[19:52] <ravage> just as an example on how to get the installed kernels
[19:53] <jhutchins> I thought we weren't supposed to use apt or aptitude for scripts.
[19:55] <sarnold> ravage: heh I wonder if that's better or worse than whatI came up with, dpkg -l | awk '$1 ~ /ii/ && $2 ~ /linux-image/ {print $0;}'
[19:55] <sarnold> who knows if that's actually useful, but I was curious of awk could cope with two conditions on a line :)
[19:56] <ravage> well. it is different :D
[19:56] <sarnold> :D
[20:18] <magga> my god damn bluetooth crashes sometimes
[20:19] <magga> where its just off
[20:19] <magga> and nothing happens when i try to turn it on again
[20:19] <magga> i have to restart my machine to get it to work
[20:19] <magga> should i try en reinstall my bluetooth or smth?
[20:19] <magga> any tips?
[20:19] <magga> Host: 20YG006BMX ThinkPad E15 Gen 3  | OS: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS x86_64 btw
[20:27] <toddc> magga: you might try to run on live usb to test if it is a software or hardware issue. or if you have a usb bluetooth reciver would also be a good test
[20:28] <EriC^^> magga: might be helpful to view /var/log/syslog after it happens
[20:30] <magga> EriC^^ whats the command again to keep reading the log in real time
[20:31] <ThinkT510> tail?
[20:31] <magga> yeah but i want to keep the buffer open
[20:32] <magga> nothing happens
[20:32] <sarnold> tail -F ?
[20:32] <sarnold> dmesg -w ?
[20:32] <magga> nothing happens when i try to enable it from thE UI
[20:32] <magga> Sep 14 22:32:35 lillemagga kernel: [57977.323768] audit: type=1400 audit(1663187555.553:2775485): apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="snap.discord.discord" pid=64300 comm="Utils" requested_mask="read" denied_mask="read" peer="unconfined"
[20:32] <magga> but this message keeps coming in
[20:32] <magga> almots every 5 second
[20:33] <magga> ;S
[20:33] <magga> dunno what it is. but something to do with snap discord?
[20:33] <sarnold> magga: https://github.com/snapcrafters/discord/issues/23
[20:33] <magga> ty
[20:35] <magga> okay that message is gone
[20:35] <magga> nothing happens tho, when i try to enable the bluetooth
[20:35] <magga> but it works instantly if i reboot
[20:35] <magga> its almost like the UI is bugged. cause i can slide it to the right, but its still blank.
[20:36] <magga> the bluetooth power
[20:36] <sarnold> yeah :/ bluetooth is pretty buggy stuff, on linux anyway :(
[20:36] <magga> anyway i can reinstall it ?
[20:36] <magga> i remember i did something to try get my airpods to work
[20:36] <magga> the microphone on them
[20:37] <genii> There's also the case of you might have a physical key or key combo if it's a laptop which toggles the bluetooth on and off
[20:37] <magga> Sep 14 22:35:36 lillemagga kernel: [58158.256978] Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to read MSFT supported features (-110)
[20:37] <magga> Sep 14 22:36:18 lillemagga systemd[2604]: Started Application launched by gnome-shell.
[20:37] <magga> Sep 14 22:36:22 lillemagga kernel: [58203.900895] Bluetooth: hci0: urb 00000000b819b5e4 failed to resubmit (113)
[20:37] <magga> Sep 14 22:36:32 lillemagga kernel: [58213.676460] Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to read MSFT supported features (-110)
[20:37] <magga> got these messages now btw
[20:37] <genii> ( and then you have to use that key/combo together with rfkill to actually turn the thing on)
[20:38] <magga> genii: dont think its that
[20:38] <magga> cause it happens sometimes when i try to connect to a bluetooth device
[20:39] <johnny_linux> nice to see genii from 2008. evening.
[20:40]  * genii slides johnny_linux a topped up mug, then wanders back to the coffeepot
[20:40] <johnny_linux> .
[20:40] <magga> https://bpa.st/WSSQ
[20:40] <magga> btw guys ^
[20:41] <magga> here is what i get when i run sudo systemctl status bluetooth.service
[20:42] <sarnold> wow
[20:42] <genii> magga: What does: rfkill list     ...say?
[20:44] <magga> https://bpa.st/PYLA
[20:44] <genii> Interesting
[20:44] <magga> :D
[20:45] <magga> theres no way to manually reinstall the bluetooth stuff ?
[20:45] <magga> or install some better manager
[20:47] <oerheks> i fixed bluetooth by installing bluez
[20:47] <johnny_linux> ^
[20:48] <oerheks> after discover, pairing, trusting, it works as a charm with the standard tool
[20:49] <johnny_linux> even generic dongals work great with "bluez"
[20:49] <oerheks> !info bluez
[20:49] <magga> oerheks: i'll test it out
[20:50] <oerheks> just make sure your device is not connected to any phone or laptop, i made that mistake too.
[20:52] <magga> ❯ sudo snap install bluez
[20:52] <magga> bluez (20/stable) 5.53-7 from Canonical✓ installed
[20:52] <magga> what now
[20:52] <oerheks> menu > bluez
[20:52] <magga> hmm cant find it :o
[20:53] <johnny_linux> also, make a woring startup
[20:54] <magga> is bluez an application
[20:54] <magga> cause i cant find it
[20:54] <magga> after installing it via snap
[20:54] <magga> brb reboot
[20:55] <ogra> erm ... bluez is installed by default (because it is the default bluetooth stack of ubuntu-desktop)
[20:55] <magga> back
[20:55] <magga> oh :D
[20:56] <johnny_linux> not true
[20:56] <ogra> the bluez snap is rather to be used on UbuntuCore IoT device installs
[20:56] <magga> well my bluetooth is working again (since i rebooted :D)
[20:56] <johnny_linux> 20.04, had to install it
[20:56] <magga> but bluez is not something you can open
[20:56] <magga> right?
[20:56] <johnny_linux> .1
[20:57] <ogra> johnny_linux, it is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop since many years ...
[20:57] <sarnold> ogra: heh, it'd be nice if snap info bluez could report that it's not ideal for desktop users
[20:57] <ogra> magga, right ...
[20:58] <ogra> sarnold, well, it does no harm i think ...
[20:58] <ogra> it is just cruft if you install it
[20:58] <sarnold> yeah, perhaps..
[20:58] <oerheks> magga, it does, a bit like windows 3.11 gui :-D
[20:58] <grv> hi guys, just a small question, it happen only at me that usb flash drives have big issues regarding unmounting, especially during system shutdowns? too mich times take a looooong time to unmount and shutdown the system..
[20:59] <magga> guys what does: wc -l /etc/bluetooth/main.conf give you?
[20:59] <johnny_linux> my first comp was a 1986 ps2 ibm  clone w,3.1
[20:59] <johnny_linux> im almost 80 yrs old.
[20:59] <magga> oerheks: how do i open it lol?
[20:59] <ogra> magga, bluez has no gui apps
[21:00] <magga> thats what i thought lol
[21:00] <ogra> there is the bluetoothctl command though ...
[21:00] <magga> what does wc -l /etc/bluetooth/main.conf give you?
[21:00] <oerheks> oh, bluez is names bluetooth manager.. weird
[21:00] <grv> johnny_linux, respect...
[21:00]  * oerheks files a bugreport
[21:00] <johnny_linux> ty, u 2
[21:01] <johnny_linux> ubuntu is the next gen of computing.. give it time.
[21:01] <ogra> johnny_linux, you started late then ... my first one was a VIC20 ... and i'm only 2/3 as old as you 🙂
[21:02] <johnny_linux> org i almost baught a trs 80.. the matrix chip which was  a 74 and not a ls74 failed
[21:03] <ogra> (we should probably carry that conversation over to #ubuntu-discuss though ... )
[21:03] <johnny_linux> ttl had its days
[21:04] <johnny_linux> I wont go to that room, those people are contentious.
[21:11] <gordonjcp> johnny_linux: strikes me you might have read Don Lancaster's TTL Cookbook and CMOS Cookbook
[21:11] <gordonjcp> but, -ot
[21:11] <johnny_linux> I designed ttl
[21:12] <noarb> what's the current state of QT in ubuntu? Is this topic contentious? I really don't know. Don't see it mentioned much here. Is it mainly used as a widget toolkit so it's a matter of style, or is there more to it in 2022?
[21:12] <johnny_linux> I am a retired ham radio / police radio / commercial radio repairman.. i stifle
[21:12] <magga> thanks for not checking btw guys
[21:12] <magga> ;/
[21:12] <magga> its so hard to run one command for me
[21:13] <johnny_linux> hence the "schmidt trigger"
[21:13] <johnny_linux> I will be quiet now.
[21:13] <ogra> magga, 89
[21:13] <magga> :D
[21:13] <magga> mine is 1
[21:13] <magga> wtf ?
[21:14] <oerheks> we are at qt5, so the factoid is old
[21:14] <oerheks> !qt
[21:15] <sarnold> noarb: there's a #kubuntu channel that probably talks about qt quite a bit more
[21:15] <ogra> probably about nothing else 🙂
[21:16] <oerheks> sarnold, your assumption is acceptable
[21:16] <ogra> magga, mine is 86 of commented out lines ... and only one actual option set at the end
[21:16] <Teckla> In my head, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to stop saying "queue tee" instead of "cute"
[21:17] <sarnold> oerheks: I just hope it's close to true! :D
[21:17] <sarnold> Teckla: same
[21:18] <magga> Oki ty for checking
[21:18] <Teckla> sarnold: Glad I'm not alone  :)
[21:25] <jhutchins> Teckla: Gif as in Graphics, not peanut butter.
[21:28] <Teckla> jhutchins: haha yes, I agree  :)
[21:30]  * johnny_linux is now known as queue_tee
[21:48] <johnny_linux> I have a aggregated respect for "ubuntu". @ the time I was exploring bsd 3.6 and mandrake @ that time, Ubuntu came across my bbs and i decided to try it.. 6.0 made a believer in me.
[21:51] <johnny_linux> 7.04 made my day, it was then that, Ubuntu was my distro of choice.
[22:04] <johnny_linux> ubuntu needs a "MyPillow" clause .. or your money back.
[22:56] <johnny_linux> .ping
[23:13] <johnny_linux> does any-one have experience with "bytzvpn" on ubuntu ?   aka.  https://bytzvpn.com
[23:15] <arraybolt3> johnny_linux: Never used it, but Riseup VPN from the Snap Store works well for what I need it for.
[23:15] <arraybolt3> (Also to get the bot to ping you, use !ping)
[23:15] <johnny_linux> interesting.. i used riseup email and if tis the same.. it wasnt pleasant
[23:17] <johnny_linux> im willing to bet, robert beats the pants off of riseup.. i have seen how they operate.
[23:18] <johnny_linux> All i wanted to know is.  if any-one used them andhow it worked.
[23:23] <wez> OpenVPN works great too
[23:23] <wez> and doesn't require going anywhere near snap
[23:23] <johnny_linux> agreed
[23:25] <johnny_linux> In todays political warfare-some people have no-idea.
[23:25] <wez> Others just don't care.
[23:25] <johnny_linux> well said
[23:26] <johnny_linux> they willfully dont have the capability, back in my day.. people did care.
[23:29] <johnny_linux> It was monetized politics that murdered my son.. 1 yr ago... he was 57.
[23:30] <johnny_linux> I shut-up.