[02:22] hello. just have upgraded to 2204 - why is Ambient-MATE theme missing? (i previously copy it from my old machine to another machine as it was also missing in vnc desktop ubuntu server 2204) [02:24] /usr/share/themes/Ambiant-MATE and /usr/share/icons/Ambiant-MATE [02:35] https://github.com/lah7/Ambiant-MATE/ [02:36] "Ambiant-MATE, Ambiant-MATE-Dark and Radiant-MATE were deprecated after Ubuntu MATE 20.04 and is no longer officially supported starting in 22.04. This repository is a fork of the original themes and icons previously in ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-artwork." [02:37] I also disagree with this removal. [02:43] thanks. [02:43] yes. best theme. and THEY :D removed it. [02:43] it is also some other things that should be defalt and they are not and in my opinion it makes less people use linux. [02:44] I've just been porting the files from my MATE theme from 1.8.2 (2014) to ever subsequent MATE DE install. [02:44] +y [02:45] It's getting harder and harder to replicate the functionality and look of gnome2 every release. [02:45] i just copied files too. [02:45] ah. maybe. [02:46] gtk3 is changing underneath MATE. Nothing they can do about it. [02:46] Well, changed. [02:46] Now it's just frozen broken. [02:46] i dont realy understend these gtk2 gtk3 things... [02:46] but lots of these things looks ugly ;) [02:47] AND even the NEW design (without menu File etc on the top) is not comfortable tu use (it is in some programs) [02:48] I hate how on modern MATE built with modern gtk3 I cannot copy and paste file paths directly into a file->open dialog. [02:48] It drives me crazy. [02:48] yep, it perhabs wish to that wrong way ;) (gtk3) [02:48] i never use these grapgics for files - only mc [02:48] oldschool. [02:49] i m 1982 [02:49] I really like nautilus/caja. I spent/spend a lot of time building up my nautilus scripts. [02:49] child of zx spectrum ;) [02:49] Even wrote a few myself for handling things like tech to speech of documents. [02:49] I'm GUI at heart. [02:50] Er, s/tech/text/ [02:50] would you like to take a look on my translate shell gui i made some years ago and no one use it! just my. [02:51] and about gtk... once i lern some wxwidgets (know its weird) but then i start thinking its best thing for gui without browser as it is still simple. [02:52] AND these native gtk or QT ... is... [02:52] I use Perl/Tk. ;) [02:52] i m too perl ;) [02:52] but more node now. [02:52] I'm sorry. [02:52] Sounds rough. [02:54] once i even start a somthing to run perl scripts on windows machines with graphics and table output :) [02:55] I learned perl on win32. [02:56] Long before I switched to Ubuntu (5.04 days). [02:56] https://dmini.eu/ex-test/ [02:57] ok found this. there is screenshot with "exel" and perl script [02:58] i d k now if there is still sense to avoid browsers html+js [02:59] i dont like it for something that should be desktope app, but do normal people care? [02:59] https://dmini.eu/trans-gui/ [02:59] and the translator gui [03:00] Normal people don't use computers. [03:01] They use smart phones. [03:01] it is also... [03:01] something... [03:01] in my opinion - even breaking the world. as. [03:03] it is making people dumb on many levels [03:05] or maybe they also dont like windows. when switch to phones with everything that is not work. [03:10] and then it comes: removed Ambient-MATE. [05:27] I don't mind much about themes, but some teachers here reported that Yaru looks like Windows 95 to them :D