[02:22] <jelo> hello. just have upgraded to 2204 - why is Ambient-MATE theme missing? (i previously copy it from my old machine to another machine as it was also missing in vnc desktop ubuntu server 2204)
[02:24] <jelo>  /usr/share/themes/Ambiant-MATE   and   /usr/share/icons/Ambiant-MATE
[02:35] <superkuh> https://github.com/lah7/Ambiant-MATE/
[02:36] <superkuh> "Ambiant-MATE, Ambiant-MATE-Dark and Radiant-MATE were deprecated after Ubuntu MATE 20.04 and is no longer officially supported starting in 22.04. This repository is a fork of the original themes and icons previously in ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-artwork."
[02:37] <superkuh> I also disagree with this removal.
[02:43] <jelo> thanks.
[02:43] <jelo> yes. best theme. and THEY :D removed it.
[02:43] <jelo> it is also some other things that should be defalt and they are not and in my opinion it makes less people use linux.
[02:44] <superkuh> I've just been porting the files from my MATE theme from 1.8.2 (2014) to ever subsequent MATE DE install.
[02:44] <superkuh> +y
[02:45] <superkuh> It's getting harder and harder to replicate the functionality and look of gnome2 every release.
[02:45] <jelo> i just copied files too.
[02:45] <jelo> ah. maybe.
[02:46] <superkuh> gtk3 is changing underneath MATE. Nothing they can do about it.
[02:46] <superkuh> Well, changed.
[02:46] <superkuh> Now it's just frozen broken.
[02:46] <jelo> i dont realy understend these gtk2 gtk3 things...
[02:46] <jelo> but lots of these things looks ugly ;)
[02:47] <jelo> AND even the NEW design (without menu File etc on the top) is not comfortable tu use (it is in some programs)
[02:48] <superkuh> I hate how on modern MATE built with modern gtk3 I cannot copy and paste file paths directly into a file->open dialog.
[02:48] <superkuh> It drives me crazy.
[02:48] <jelo> yep, it perhabs wish to that wrong way ;) (gtk3)
[02:48] <jelo> i never use these grapgics for files - only mc
[02:48] <superkuh> oldschool.
[02:49] <jelo> i m 1982
[02:49] <superkuh> I really like nautilus/caja. I spent/spend a lot of time building up my nautilus scripts.
[02:49] <jelo> child of zx spectrum ;)
[02:49] <superkuh> Even wrote a few myself for handling things like tech to speech of documents.
[02:49] <superkuh> I'm GUI at heart.
[02:50] <superkuh> Er, s/tech/text/
[02:50] <jelo> would you like to take a look on my translate shell gui i made some years ago and no one use it! just my.
[02:51] <jelo> and about gtk... once i lern some wxwidgets (know its weird) but then i start thinking its best thing for gui without browser as it is still simple.
[02:52] <jelo> AND these native gtk or QT ... is...
[02:52] <superkuh> I use Perl/Tk. ;)
[02:52] <jelo> i m too perl ;)
[02:52] <jelo> but more node now.
[02:52] <superkuh> I'm sorry.
[02:52] <superkuh> Sounds rough.
[02:54] <jelo> once i even start a somthing to run perl scripts on windows machines with graphics and table output :)
[02:55] <superkuh> I learned perl on win32.
[02:56] <superkuh> Long before I switched to Ubuntu (5.04 days).
[02:56] <jelo> https://dmini.eu/ex-test/
[02:57] <jelo> ok found this. there is screenshot with "exel" and perl script
[02:58] <jelo> i d k now if there is still sense to avoid browsers html+js
[02:59] <jelo> i dont like it for something that should be desktope app, but do normal people care?
[02:59] <jelo> https://dmini.eu/trans-gui/
[02:59] <jelo> and the translator gui
[03:00] <superkuh> Normal people don't use computers.
[03:01] <superkuh> They use smart phones.
[03:01] <jelo> it is also...
[03:01] <jelo> something...
[03:01] <jelo> in my opinion - even breaking the world. as.
[03:03] <jelo> it is making people dumb on many levels
[03:05] <jelo> or maybe they also dont like windows. when switch to phones with everything that is not work.
[03:10] <jelo> and then it comes: removed Ambient-MATE.
[05:27] <alkisg> I don't mind much about themes, but some teachers here reported that Yaru looks like Windows 95 to them :D