| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:42 |
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| lotuspsychje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/1990247 | 13:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1990247 in popularity-contest (Ubuntu) "Popcon Ubuntu backend to be decomissioned" [Undecided, New] | 13:38 |
| arraybolt3 | Is there any plan to make apt be a little more verbose when phased updates are encountered? Many users are annoyed by the "held back" message from apt and think it might be a problem with their system. Phased updates are a great idea, but it would be nice if apt said something like "The following packages are phasing and are not yet ready to be installed on your system:" or something similar. | 19:50 |
| arraybolt3 | (Plus, with the packages simply being put under a list of "held back" packages, a user doesn't know the difference between a legitimately messed up situation resulting in held-back packages, and a phased update.) | 19:51 |
| arraybolt3 | (Uh... somehow I closed this channel on accident? I'm back now.) | 19:51 |
| hggdh | arraybolt3: yes, I agree that it should clearly state the packages were held dur to phased updates -- including a link to help.ubuntu.com about it | 19:53 |
| ravage | +1 | 19:54 |
| arraybolt3 | Whew, but man I am glad for phased updates. I see I just dodged a VBox bullet. | 19:54 |
| arraybolt3 | (Hit 60% phasing, then dropped to 0% :o ) | 19:55 |
| ravage | you should just get rid of vbox :D | 19:55 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: I don't actually use it hardly at all, I use GNOME Boxes. But sometimes you have to have VBox for certain tests. :( | 19:56 |
| arraybolt3 | (I probably wouldn't have used it much if at all even if it had updated, it was just interesting to see that a package I sometimes use got stopped from updating.) | 19:57 |
| ravage | what do you need it for? | 19:57 |
| ravage | all my tests are done in virt-manager or lately even lxc in vm mode sometimes | 19:57 |
| arraybolt3 | If a bug is encountered in Ubuntu that only manifests itself in virtualbox. | 19:57 |
| arraybolt3 | Like mouse pointer integration failing. I tested for that and couldn't reproduce the issue. | 19:58 |
| ravage | that is a virtualbox bug then. sorry :D | 19:58 |
| arraybolt3 | ravage: LOL granted you have a point there, but people use VBox so :P | 19:58 |
| ravage | i know a lot of people use it and it should get fixed. i just hate oracle :) | 19:59 |
| arraybolt3 | If our OS doesn't work right in a very popular VM software suite, that may indeed be their fault... but it might be ours too. | 19:59 |
| arraybolt3 | Speakign of LXC in VM mode, does that give you the ability to use a GUI? | 19:59 |
| ravage | yes | 20:00 |
| arraybolt3 | How well does it work vs. virt-manager? | 20:00 |
| ravage | you can connect to a VGA console | 20:00 |
| arraybolt3 | Is it any faster? | 20:00 |
| ravage | dont think so. just more automated | 20:00 |
| ravage | for a GUI VM on your desktop virt-manager with SPICE is the way to go | 20:01 |
| ravage | or even better use the remote desktop of the guest of course | 20:01 |
| sarnold | arraybolt3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1988819 | 20:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1988819 in apt (Ubuntu) "When apt keeps back packages due to phased updates, it should say so" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 20:01 |
| arraybolt3 | Eh, there we disagree - GNOME Boxes is **the** way to go :) Super easy, super quick, uses all CPU cores for good performance, looks nice. | 20:01 |
| ravage | i just like to have a lot of options | 20:02 |
| ravage | im sure gnome boxes works too | 20:02 |
| arraybolt3 | sarnold: YES THIS BUG AFFECT ME, THANKS. | 20:02 |
| ravage | thx sarnold | 20:02 |
| daftykins | "Introducing, Ubuntu Insider - that's right, early updates aren't just for tight-fisted Microsoft Windows users!" | 20:09 |
| daftykins | ;) | 20:10 |
| ravage | that is already called non-LTS release daftykins :P | 20:11 |
| arraybolt3 | daftykins: I thought we called that Ubuntu Kinetic. | 20:11 |
| sarnold | we get asked *every week* for early access to security updates | 20:11 |
| * ravage high fives arraybolt3 | 20:11 | |
| arraybolt3 | btw, I wonder what they'll call Ubuntu LL. I keep thinking of "Languishing Llama" every time I think about it, but I think that is probably not what they're going to go with... | 20:12 |
| arraybolt3 | (Maybe... ok no. I'll let someone else come up with name ideas, the words that start with "L" that act as an adjective just keep being too silly.) | 20:13 |
| ravage | the phased updates are fine. they just should not irritate normal users | 20:13 |
| arraybolt3 | +1 | 20:14 |
| ravage | at the moment it looks like something is stuck and there is an error | 20:14 |
| daftykins | pssh always semi-sensible responses to obvious jokes, boo! :) | 20:22 |
| arraybolt3 | daftykins: LOL I knew it was a joke, at least. | 20:23 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:23 |
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