[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/1990247
[19:50] <arraybolt3> Is there any plan to make apt be a little more verbose when phased updates are encountered? Many users are annoyed by the "held back" message from apt and think it might be a problem with their system. Phased updates are a great idea, but it would be nice if apt said something like "The following packages are phasing and are not yet ready to be installed on your system:" or something similar.
[19:51] <arraybolt3> (Plus, with the packages simply being put under a list of "held back" packages, a user doesn't know the difference between a legitimately messed up situation resulting in held-back packages, and a phased update.)
[19:51] <arraybolt3> (Uh... somehow I closed this channel on accident? I'm back now.)
[19:53] <hggdh> arraybolt3: yes, I agree that it should clearly state the packages were held dur to phased updates -- including a link to help.ubuntu.com about it
[19:54] <ravage> +1
[19:54] <arraybolt3> Whew, but man I am glad for phased updates. I see I just dodged a VBox bullet.
[19:55] <arraybolt3> (Hit 60% phasing, then dropped to 0% :o )
[19:55] <ravage> you should just get rid of vbox :D
[19:56] <arraybolt3> ravage: I don't actually use it hardly at all, I use GNOME Boxes. But sometimes you have to have VBox for certain tests. :(
[19:57] <arraybolt3> (I probably wouldn't have used it much if at all even if it had updated, it was just interesting to see that a package I sometimes use got stopped from updating.)
[19:57] <ravage> what do you need it for?
[19:57] <ravage> all my tests are done in virt-manager or lately even lxc in vm mode sometimes 
[19:57] <arraybolt3> If a bug is encountered in Ubuntu that only manifests itself in virtualbox.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> Like mouse pointer integration failing. I tested for that and couldn't reproduce the issue.
[19:58] <ravage> that is a virtualbox bug then. sorry :D
[19:58] <arraybolt3> ravage: LOL granted you have a point there, but people use VBox so :P
[19:59] <ravage> i know a lot of people use it and it should get fixed. i just hate oracle :)
[19:59] <arraybolt3> If our OS doesn't work right in a very popular VM software suite, that may indeed be their fault... but it might be ours too.
[19:59] <arraybolt3> Speakign of LXC in VM mode, does that give you the ability to use a GUI?
[20:00] <ravage> yes
[20:00] <arraybolt3> How well does it work vs. virt-manager?
[20:00] <ravage> you can connect to a VGA console
[20:00] <arraybolt3> Is it any faster?
[20:00] <ravage> dont think so. just more automated
[20:01] <ravage> for a GUI VM on your desktop virt-manager with SPICE is the way to go
[20:01] <ravage> or even better use the remote desktop of the guest of course
[20:01] <sarnold> arraybolt3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1988819
[20:01] <arraybolt3> Eh, there we disagree - GNOME Boxes is **the** way to go :) Super easy, super quick, uses all CPU cores for good performance, looks nice.
[20:02] <ravage> i just like to have a lot of options
[20:02] <ravage> im sure gnome boxes works too
[20:02] <arraybolt3> sarnold: YES THIS BUG AFFECT ME, THANKS.
[20:02] <ravage> thx sarnold 
[20:09] <daftykins> "Introducing, Ubuntu Insider - that's right, early updates aren't just for tight-fisted Microsoft Windows users!"
[20:10] <daftykins> ;)
[20:11] <ravage> that is already called non-LTS release daftykins :P
[20:11] <arraybolt3> daftykins: I thought we called that Ubuntu Kinetic.
[20:11] <sarnold> we get asked *every week* for early access to security updates
[20:11]  * ravage high fives arraybolt3 
[20:12] <arraybolt3> btw, I wonder what they'll call Ubuntu LL. I keep thinking of "Languishing Llama" every time I think about it, but I think that is probably not what they're going to go with...
[20:13] <arraybolt3> (Maybe... ok no. I'll let someone else come up with name ideas, the words that start with "L" that act as an adjective just keep being too silly.)
[20:13] <ravage> the phased updates are fine. they just should not irritate normal users
[20:14] <arraybolt3> +1
[20:14] <ravage> at the moment it looks like something is stuck and there is an error
[20:22] <daftykins> pssh always semi-sensible responses to obvious jokes, boo! :)
[20:23] <arraybolt3> daftykins: LOL I knew it was a joke, at least.
[20:23] <daftykins> :D