[00:09] <eelstrebor> i'm trying to use zram but every tutorial i look at is either incomplete or the tutorials have different ways to set it up
[00:13] <eelstrebor> the ubuntu tutorial was incomplete
[00:36] <lagunalorre> is there a ppa for the google-chrome browser
[00:36] <lagunalorre> or is it in the snap store
[00:37] <lagunalorre> i can't see the full pictures of the screenshot player at www.msn.com with the chromium browser
[00:38] <lagunalorre> for america's new
[00:38] <lagunalorre> for america's news
[00:38] <beagleboy> LIST
[00:39] <beagleboy> I would use Chromium instead of Chrome
[00:40] <lagunalorre> beagleboy but thats the problem chromium doesn't work
[00:40] <beagleboy> Especially if you're surfing news.
[00:40] <beagleboy> I use Chromium
[00:41] <lagunalorre> well on gnome i can only see about 3/4 of the pictures in the top picture player at www.msn.com
[00:41] <lagunalorre> there is not enough room on the display to see the whole picture of the sequence of pictures
[00:42] <beagleboy> Hmm.  I have no issues with it. Running Linux Mint 20.1
[00:42] <lagunalorre> beagleboy well it doesn't work well on ubuntu..maybe mint fixed it
[00:42] <beagleboy> Although I don't utilize liberal media sources like .msn
[00:43] <lagunalorre> beagleboy well i look at many sources to try to get an overall unbiased picture of the news
[00:43] <beagleboy> Yeah, could be. Mint 20.1 has been solid as a rock for me. In fact I dare not touch anything. Longest stretch of computer stability I've ever experienced
[00:43] <lagunalorre> beagleboy if you block out the liberals your views will be slanted to the conservative position
[00:44] <beagleboy> They're all slanted, so you get nothing but slant. What we need to know will never be on the news.
[00:45] <lagunalorre> beagleboy well i like to try to keep up and to mix all the slanted stuff to get an unbiased view
[00:45] <beagleboy> So, I just peak my head out my door to see what's actually going on with my own two eyeballs. That's how I know it's real.
[00:45] <lagunalorre> beagleboy well you can't always see everything ...such as will johnny depp star in the next pirates of the caribbean movie
[00:46] <beagleboy> It's all engineered divide and conquer nonsense. Only the local town/city stuff matters...at all.
[00:46] <lagunalorre> well johnny depp was fired after allegations of domestic violence regarding his wife...but he might work again in the next movie
[00:46] <beagleboy> But back to your original issue. PPA for Chrome.
[00:47] <lagunalorre> beagleboy..yes is there a ppa for google-chrome-stable
[00:47] <beagleboy> Not sure. But I can imagine there is one.
[00:55] <beagleboy> I found this link:   https://linuxhint.com/install_google_chrome_ubuntu_ppa/
[00:55] <beagleboy> Seems pretty straight forward
[00:57] <sarnold> btw, that's chrome, not chromium-browser
[00:57] <sarnold> if you care
[01:03] <beagleboy> Yeah, I mentioned that to them, but they're having problems with Chromium.
[01:03] <beagleboy> Personally, I'd rather see no news than use Chrome. lol
[01:12] <lagunalorre> beagleboy man apt-key is deprecated to a newer gpg stuff..now how to get trusted to download chrome
[01:12] <lagunalorre> beagleboy they don't like the openpgp open-source stuff anymore
[01:14] <arraybolt3> lagunalorre: I think you just download the Google Chrome .deb file from Google, open a terminal in the same folder, and run "sudo apt install ./<google chrome file name>.deb", replacing <google chrome file name> as appropriate.
[01:15] <lagunalorre> arraybolt3 yea that is ok but i already tried to install a trustable key for google now i have to figure out how to delete it
[01:16] <arraybolt3> Oy. I'm not sure how to do that. Other people here might know though.
[01:17] <sarnold> if you copied the file into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ you can delete it
[01:18] <sarnold> if you did the apt-key adv thing, try apt-key list, and then try apt-key del
[01:20] <lagunalorre> yea ok chrome displays msn better than chromium for the pictures and Bill Gates is making a very pessimistic outlook statement on the state of the world
[01:20] <lagunalorre> thanks sarnold
[01:22] <beagleboy> He's just bummed he's not getting rub-n-tugs from 14 year olds anymore.
[01:23] <beagleboy> I mean, withdrawing from that could make a guy edgy.
[01:29] <lagunalorre> beagleboy well Billy boy is just not getting over his wife leaving him and giving him the middle finger
[01:29] <lagunalorre> but he's been around since the trs80 model 1 days when microsoft wrote the level 2 basic roms which were better than the level 1 roms
[01:35] <lagunalorre> beagleboy poor billy boy having to part with all that money to give his wife what she wanted after she told him to fuck off
[01:36] <lagunalorre> beagleboy some say that Angelina Jolie is going to stick it to Brad Pitt and hit him where it hurts
[01:37] <lagunalorre> beagleboy he will have to part with a lot of that 450 billion dollars he racked up by making all those movies
[01:38] <Eickmeyer> !ops | lagunalorre
[01:39] <sarnold> lagunalorre, beagleboy, somewhere else, please
[01:39] <lagunalorre> sarnold ok i am checked into ubuntu-offtopic to discuss bill gates
[01:40] <Eickmeyer> lagunalorre: Still, check the !guidelines, we need to keep everything family friendly in our chats.
[01:40] <lagunalorre> Eickmeyer..ok but families are disintegrating in the US
[01:41] <Eickmeyer> lagunalorre: That's not what we're discussing, please keep to the guidelines.
[01:41] <lagunalorre> Eickmeyer ok
[03:28] <puff> I'm setting up docker and the docker docs here say to manually create /etc/apt/keyrings
[03:28] <puff> https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository
[03:29] <puff> In the past when I've needed to use a ppa, I've used commands like apt-key and apt-add-repository, no manual file creation.
[03:31] <enigma9o7[m]> that's probably launchpad
[03:31] <enigma9o7[m]> launchpad is run by ubuntu so easy to use apt-add-repository for there.  in fact dunno if you can use it at all for other places, cuz other places usually have you add key and repo manually.
[03:43] <puff> enigma9o7[m]: Thanks.
[04:20] <bray90820> What kernal did ubuntu 20.10 use?
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> 5.13
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> iirc
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> could be wrong
[04:21] <bray90820> Thanks
[04:31] <Bashing-om> bray90820: Release notes for 20.10 say the 5.8 kernel: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-notes/15533 .
[04:32] <bray90820> Thanks
[04:45] <zonox> ar
[04:46] <zonox> sorry ..
[05:55] <murmel> hey, are there somewhere more detailed logs than snap logs? I can't figure out why multipass won't launch my instances (it errors out after 5 mins or so)
[06:09] <kkkssf> Hi
[06:10] <kkkssf> I can't upgrade my system through gnome-software
[06:11] <murmel> kkkssf: you would need to explain more
[06:11] <kkkssf> when i hit the reboot and install button it says "Prepared update not found:/var/lib/PackageKit/prepared-update"
[06:11] <murmel> kkkssf: did you by chance install your updates (automatically) or manually in cli?
[06:12] <kkkssf> i may have installed some updates in past through command line
[06:13] <murmel> kkkssf: just try to refresh updates, if that doesn't work we can try to force an update through cli (metadata)
[06:15] <kkkssf> i tried refresh and reboot several times no effect. Forcing update through apt would mark the packages as manaully installed or?
[06:17] <murmel> kkkssf: do you still have updates in apt/flatpak/snaps?
[06:18] <kkkssf> yes i have some held back packages
[06:18] <murmel> kkkssf: on purpose or do you mean phased updates?
[06:19] <kkkssf> i'm not sure what is the difference?
[06:20] <murmel> kkkssf: phased updates are packages which are rolled out in "phases" so if something goes wrong not every person is affected
[06:20] <murmel> kkkssf: the on purpose part is when you pin packages to certain versions
[06:23] <kkkssf> when i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" these packages are held back: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1254434
[06:25] <murmel> kkkssf: yeah those are phased updates. https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html I almost assume that gnome-software can't handle that there are packages which are not installed instantly
[06:25] <murmel> kkkssf: but maybe try to force a metadata update with "sudo appstreamcli --force refresh"
[06:29] <kkkssf> it says "Command '--force' is unknown. Run 'appstreamcli --help' for a list of available commands."
[06:29] <kkkssf> and without force "? Metadata cache update is not necessary."
[06:29] <murmel> kkkssf: ahh sorry, it wants "sudo appstreamcli refresh --force"
[06:33] <kkkssf> get still same error in gnome-software "Prepared update not found:/var/lib/PackageKit/prepared-update"
[06:33] <murmel> kkkssf: hm sorry, then no idea what's going on, here on 22.04 I don't have that issue :/
[06:34] <kkkssf> I'm on 22.04 too, It's a relative fresh install maybe 1Month without any thirdpart repositories
[06:34] <kkkssf> or ppa's
[06:36] <murmel> kkkssf: did you make sure that snap and/or flatpak don't have any updates (besides apt)
[06:39] <kkkssf> all snaps are uptodate. flatpak is installed but i have no remotes and no flatpaks installed
[06:41] <murmel> kkkssf: ahh so we can definitely say that it's apt then. which I really think now that phased updates messes with gnome-software :/
[06:47] <murmel> kkkssf: what we can try, if you are willing, install the apt packages with apt install <package> and then see if gnome-software reacts to that
[06:53] <firc1d16a8c5> Good day all. I'm encountering a issue after updating to Ubuntu 22.04, i'm unsure if the issue is in a piece of software, or something is wrong in Ubuntu. Is it still alright to ask?
[06:55] <kkkssf> i tried "apt-get install fonts-opensymbol" and it worked but i would prefer not to manually install every package when there are updates
[06:55] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: yes, just ask
[06:55] <kkkssf> brb
[06:56] <murmel> kkkssf: if you want to install even the phased updates automatically, create a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ with the content of 'APT::GET::Always-Include-Phased-Updates "true";' (without ' but with ")
[06:58] <firc1d16a8c5> So, recently i updated from Ubuntu 18.04 to 22.04, for a long time i used Kdevelop as my IDE / Editor. Now after i updated to Ubuntu 22.04 it's like any IDE would not be able to find libs / includes / classes etc etc. Or like 90% of them, is not found.
[06:58] <firc1d16a8c5> So i took the major step, of even trying out Visual Studio Code, yesterday. But it was the same.
[06:59] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: do you have logs? (please use something like a pastebin)
[07:00] <firc1d16a8c5> It does find includes like <mutex> or <cmath> But nothing else, sometimes not even in root directory.
[07:00] <firc1d16a8c5> What would you like the logs for? kdevelop?
[07:01] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: yeah, as it's your main IDE
[07:03] <firc1d16a8c5> I have to try and locate the logfiles, i don't know where they are.
[07:04] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: they should be under /var/log, if not, you should be able to just start the program in cli, and it should put out also some errors, which should give us a hint
[07:05] <firc1d16a8c5> Never really had to do anything else than open individual files edit and save before. It just worked back then.
[07:05] <firc1d16a8c5> Documentation also seems a bit "lacking" Irc community was also silent.
[07:06] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: sadly enough, upgrades can go wrong
[07:06] <firc1d16a8c5> I had myself a good lesson with Samba at the same time.
[07:07] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: for example, I don't dare to try to upgrade (I always fresh-install) as I have most of the time roughly 5k to 8k different packages installed on my dev machine
[07:08] <firc1d16a8c5> Got myself a "server" installed 22.04 on it in hope to then backup all my machines running 18.04 and update those.. Well turned out SMB1 was dropped sometime inbetween.
[07:08] <kkkssf> I'm back
[07:08] <firc1d16a8c5> Oh yeah i never "update" i always fresh install too.
[07:08] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: I think it was 20.04 if I remember correctly
[07:08] <firc1d16a8c5> My coffee got cold, trying to hunt down this issue already :(
[07:08] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: oh so you did fresh install or upgrade to 22.04?
[07:09] <hans_> what is the default username/password combo for https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/jammy/current/jammy-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk-kvm.img
[07:09] <firc1d16a8c5> Fresh install.
[07:09] <firc1d16a8c5> Always :)
[07:09] <firc1d16a8c5> I'm just slow. Last time was 2017.
[07:09] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: that's why I recommend reading the release notes ;) even from lts releases in-between releases
[07:09] <hans_> i tried both "root:blank" and "ubuntu:blank" but both are "login incorrect"
[07:09] <murmel> hans_: afair ubuntu:ubuntu
[07:10] <firc1d16a8c5> I could have sticked to 18.04 for a very long time still.
[07:10] <firc1d16a8c5> But, some libs that shipped with it i used, started to get really dusty and old.
[07:10] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: I can imagine :)
[07:10] <firc1d16a8c5> But heck, what do i do with the updated libs, if my IDE's can't find em anymore.
[07:10] <firc1d16a8c5> haha
[07:11] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: well let's figure it out :)
[07:11] <firc1d16a8c5> Let me search for that log actually now.
[07:11] <hans_> murmel: that worked, thanks!
[07:11] <murmel> hans_: yw
[07:13] <firc1d16a8c5> Also, if it makes anything easier, i'm willing to try any other IDE that might be known to you. Because Kdevelop seems to be a bit hard to handle in general.
[07:14] <hans_> firc1d16a8c5: Visual Studio Code is pretty good
[07:14] <firc1d16a8c5> I can't even find mentions about where i could start looking for a log on kdevelop.
[07:14] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: idk, most use code, but I see it rather as a heavy (electron) based editor with a thousand plugins to make it somehow make it to an IDE
[07:15] <firc1d16a8c5> Well, i can grab anything that makes it easier to try and figure out whats going on. I actually tried VSC yesterday, and it was the same. Kemme grab ut again.
[07:17] <firc1d16a8c5> Aight i grabbed VSC, but it's the same on there :(
[07:17] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: how did you install code?
[07:17] <firc1d16a8c5> Actually, i just grabbed it from Software Center.
[07:17] <ice99> cron jobs are not working, I tried adding a new job using "crontab -e" and manually in /etc/cron.hourly/ but none has worked
[07:18] <geirha> firc1d16a8c5: did you keep the homedir between installs?
[07:18] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: huh? which means it should be the snap then oO
[07:18] <murmel> ice99: what do the logs say?
[07:18] <firc1d16a8c5> geirha: how do you mean? keep the homedir?
[07:19] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: talking about config files in your home directory
[07:19] <murmel> did you copy them?
[07:19] <firc1d16a8c5> no
[07:20] <firc1d16a8c5> config files for what actually ?
[07:20] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: I assume kdevelop
[07:20] <ice99> murmel, I see the my job's command in syslog then: "(CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)"
[07:21] <firc1d16a8c5> I don't see any config files for it. Besides, i grabbed Visual Studio Code for now, if that is more familiar to ya'll :)
[07:21] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: well, as you installed it through snap, what does "snap logs code" say?
[07:21] <firc1d16a8c5> But the issue is the same in there, it's even having trouble finding a header, that is in the same directory as .cpp file
[07:22] <murmel> ice99: sounds like you need to install an mta? I assume you want to send out an email?
[07:22] <ice99> murmel, no, the job just echo some text to file, i think crontab itself is looking for MTA to send an error. but i have just very simple job for testing
[07:23] <murmel> ice99: can you post your cronjob? (to a pastebin)
[07:25] <firc1d16a8c5> I have like zero idea what is going on.. Is this a permission issue ?
[07:26] <firc1d16a8c5> I tried both Kdevelop and VSC, by mounting / opening entire folders, that should be able to lead to all the paths.
[07:26] <firc1d16a8c5> But how on earth, can a IDE not find a header, in the same folder, as .cpp file ? :O
[07:28] <firc1d16a8c5> And since i see this in several IDE's now, i'm questioning where the issue is. It does ofc not make it any easier, that i hesitate, both with coding, and solving issues like this.
[07:29] <ice99> murmel, this is the job "1 * * * * echo "test" >> testcronfile", I added it with crontab -e; but tail -f on syslog doesn't report it at all
[07:29] <geirha> you have installed the necessary plugins for c++ in the IDE, right? Generic IDEs don't have support for every programming language out of the box
[07:30] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: hm, I opened a c project I have in code, and nothing is complaining :?
[07:31] <firc1d16a8c5> As far as i can see, everything looks to be in order in Plugins. Tbh, i never touched anything else than theme settings in Kdevelop in the past.
[07:31] <murmel> just had a disconnect so don't know what went through, will repost
[07:31] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: hm, I opened a c project I have in code, and nothing is complaining :?
[07:32] <murmel> ice99: do try it with absolute paths, otherwise it doesn't know where to put stuff
[07:32] <firc1d16a8c5> murmel: well, my case is very different. Do you mean you opened a single C file, or a entire project in some other form ?
[07:32] <murmel> project
[07:32] <SteelRose> Hi all! I must VPN in using topenfortivpn to work remotely. Once I'm logged in, I run sshfs to locally mount a remote directory. It would be nicer though if that sshfs-mount happened once the VPN connection has been stablished... I have not found that option on the NetworkManager GUI ... is it possible at all?? Thanks!
[07:33] <firc1d16a8c5> murmel: i never used projects, i only opened individual files, edited them and saved. I build elsewhere.
[07:33] <geirha> ice99: the emails cron sends are useful for this type of debugging. You can get a simple setup by installing the mailutils package, and then selecting "Local only". Then you just run the mail command to read any (local) mails from cron
[07:33] <firc1d16a8c5> Or try to build, should we say. :D
[07:34] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: hm, also working here :/
[07:35] <firc1d16a8c5> What on earth... Am i missing something else?
[07:35] <firc1d16a8c5> Since it's the same across several IDE's
[07:35] <ice99> murmel, "1 * * * * echo "test" >> /root/testcronfile" still not working and not showing up at all in syslog
[07:35] <murmel> ice99: then try what geirha said
[07:36] <geirha> ice99: 1 * * * *  runs only once an hour. Try with * * * * *
[07:36] <ThinkT510> firc1d16a8c5: installed build-essentials?
[07:36] <geirha> (which runs every minute)
[07:39] <firc1d16a8c5> ThinkT510: i have build essentials yes.
[07:41] <firc1d16a8c5> Puuhhh.. I'm absolutely lost on this one.
[07:42] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: did you try to open a file/project which is not from you ;)?
[07:43] <firc1d16a8c5> You mean made by me ? :D
[07:43] <murmel> yeah
[07:44] <firc1d16a8c5> Well no, but all of this worked a couple day's ago, on older versions. But sure, i'l go ahead and try opening something else.
[07:44] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: maybe kdevelop did something weird in the older version
[07:45] <murmel> I mean we do talk about roughly 4 years of advancements
[07:45] <firc1d16a8c5> Yes, but since it's the same with Visual Studio or any.
[07:46] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: which would still prove my point
[07:53] <firc1d16a8c5> well what actually also makes me question a thing or two, is the fact that i can not right click a .cpp file for example, and open with Kdevelop.
[07:53] <firc1d16a8c5> Nothing happens.
[07:55] <murmel> you mean in the file manager?
[07:55] <firc1d16a8c5> Yeah
[07:56] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: with nothing happens you mean even the menu doesn't come up?
[07:56] <firc1d16a8c5> None.
[07:56] <firc1d16a8c5> Nothing.
[07:56] <firc1d16a8c5> And this is sus.
[07:57] <firc1d16a8c5> It smells like some permission to files issue.
[07:57] <murmel> eh almost sounds like there is more than that of an issue
[07:57] <firc1d16a8c5> Since it can't even find headers in the root directory alongside a .cpp file for example.
[07:58] <murmel> let me just download a kubuntu iso to test some more on plasma (afaik you are using that?)
[07:58] <ThinkT510> did you get any errors upgrading from 18.04?
[07:58] <murmel> ThinkT510: fresh install
[08:01] <firc1d16a8c5> Yeah i always fresh install.
[08:01] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: btw, which flavor are you using?
[08:01] <firc1d16a8c5> Ubuntu 22.04
[08:02] <murmel> ahh normal ubuntu
[08:02] <firc1d16a8c5> And just to make clear, i have Kdevelop from apt, and VS Code from Software center. currently. Both do the same.
[08:03] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: better to point out that vscode is from snap not software center ;)
[08:05] <firc1d16a8c5> It's like all headers coming from system would work. Like when i open my other project, i have GDAL. And that works, just as with <cmath> for example in the other project.
[08:05] <firc1d16a8c5> But any libs in the "project folder" do not work.
[08:06] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: do you have a public project where it fails?
[08:07] <firc1d16a8c5> Actually yes. If you mean if it is publicly available.
[08:08] <murmel> yeah, so can see if my fresh ubuntu vm can handle it
[08:08] <firc1d16a8c5> It will require some other dependecies and libs, though.
[08:08] <firc1d16a8c5> So it might be better i try to recreate something smaller.
[08:10] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: i don't mind, I mean it's a vm ;)
[08:11] <firc1d16a8c5> Alrighty, give me a moment, have to take the dogs out quickly, and i will get to it. Will first see if i can replicate something smaller.
[08:11] <podeni> Hi everyone. If I want to set up a piece of code to run on system startup, what's the best way to go? I'm starting EC2 Ubuntu instances, which offers the option to run a piece of code when the machine is started.
[08:12] <murmel> podeni: sounds like you want a cronjob
[08:12] <podeni> In previous versions, the code would > itself to /etc/rc.local, and every time the system reboots.
[08:13] <murmel> podeni: I mean there a quite a lot of ways to achieve this. so really depends on your needs/wants
[08:14] <podeni> Setting up a cron job doesn't sound like a bad idea.
[08:14] <murmel> podeni: it really depends on what it should do, is it a program which should run at startup, is it a one shot script? or idk
[08:18] <podeni> I need to start a single instance of a long-running Java app. The way I'm doing it now may be a bit of a hack, I have a screen that checks if a screen instance exists, and if not, starts the Java app in that.
[08:19] <podeni> I've considered doing it as a service, but it's just more convenient to check the output by simply logging in and doing screen -dr
[08:19] <podeni> I have a script*
[08:19] <murmel> podeni: sounds like you do want to create a systemd unit file, so it can also track logs, and you can see if it runs/crashed or the likes
[08:36] <Guest47> hi, despite looking hard, I can't find how to run an Ubuntu CLI installer from the server install CD manually if it doesn't start on it's own, what's the script/binary to do that?
[08:36] <murmel> Guest47: what is a cli installer?
[08:37] <Guest47> i mean the Ubuntu installer - something that's used in console mode to install the OS on a hard drive
[08:38] <murmel> Guest47: for the server install there is only subiquity (the live installer iso which you can download) otherwise you would need to bootstrap your own system
[08:38] <Guest47> I'm using a serial terminal and it's not launched automatically for some reason, I just get the prompt and a working live cd version, and I would like to run the installer somehow
[08:38] <murmel> Guest47: see if you can run the snap (as it's a snap)
[08:38] <murmel> don't know the name right now :/
[08:39] <murmel> if that doesn't work, you would need to bootstrap your own system, as the old d-i is no more (for ubuntu)
[08:41] <Guest47> Ok, your help got me to the real problem, I asked someone to get me a ubuntu server ISO on a pendrive in remote location, seems like it's really a ubuntu desktop one :)
[08:41] <murmel> Guest47: oh, that is a huge difference :)
[08:44] <Diagon> nautilus: left-click drag alt release, opens a copy/move/link context menu. anyone know how to add to that menu ("hard link")
[08:47] <firc1d16a8c5> Alright so murmel: I'm a bit doubtful about that example project, as it would indeed require to grab and build several things. But the easiest way i can explain is. No IDE seems to find paths to libs that would have to go like `../headerfile.h`or similar, as in step back a folder in tree for example.
[08:48] <firc1d16a8c5> It might just be, that i have been misunderstanding something essential for years while trying to expand my little "knowledge"
[08:49] <firc1d16a8c5> All includes that come from Distro seem ok, also most of the times, headers in same directory seems fine.
[08:50] <firc1d16a8c5> But, for example a include like `#include "modules/voxel/storage/voxel_buffer.h"` gives `modules/voxel/storage/voxel_buffer.h file not found`
[08:53] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: ahh that is definitely something :)
[08:55] <firc1d16a8c5> Like, something is wrong, or am i nuts? lol
[08:55] <zoomm10> ` command ` =  $(command) are the same, your example is not a command
[08:56] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: nah, you are right that that is wrong ;). I would include a path where it should find all header files then you can just #include <file.h>
[08:57] <firc1d16a8c5> But, what is wrong ?
[08:58] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: the IDE doesn't know where to find the file
[08:58] <murmel> as it's a not known path
[08:58] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: here is for code for example https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65109262/how-to-tell-vscode-where-to-find-header-and-source-files
[08:59] <firc1d16a8c5> But how on earth, can i have been kept from having to deal with this, for so long ?
[09:00] <firc1d16a8c5> Now don't get me wrong, i'm a total noob coder. But i have been messing around, for a longer time.
[09:00] <firc1d16a8c5> I'm just about to look in to C / C++ coming from some scripting.
[09:01] <firc1d16a8c5> But ive been opening and looking at files, and complex projects with Kdevelop, for years. And never encountered anything similar.
[09:01] <zoomm10> ` cp fil1 file2`,  'cp file1 file2', "cp file1 file2" : the first is a command, second and third are variable
[09:01] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: as I thought, since 18.04 quite a lot has changed, and I assume that includes how header files are being loaded
[09:01] <firc1d16a8c5> I mean, isnt `#include "modules/voxel/storage/voxel_buffer.h"`valid?
[09:02] <murmel> firc1d16a8c5: afaik no, as it doesn't know where to look for it (is it from / or from /home/<user>/ etc) at least that's how I understand it
[09:02] <murmel> i am myself quite the noob in this regard
[09:06] <ravage> firc1d16a8c5, try ##programming
[09:21] <firc1d16a8c5> Ahaaa. Now i understand.
[09:21] <firc1d16a8c5> My excuses.
[09:21] <firc1d16a8c5> It's all one me.
[09:21] <Intelo> I installed memtest86+. It printed that it is updating grub but at boot, I do not see any such message to do memtest
[09:21] <firc1d16a8c5> But things have changed indeed.
[09:21] <Intelo> my newly installed ram seems like breaking the apps but I do not know how exactly to debug
[09:22] <murmel> Intelo: are you on uefi or legacy/bios?
[09:24] <Intelo> murmel I am on x570 TUF gaming asus wifi plus MB. I do not know what is uefi etc
[09:25] <alkisg> Intelo: run `ls /sys/firmware/efi` and tell us if it shows some things or if it says no such file/directory
[09:25] <Intelo> config_table  efivars  esrt  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  mok-variables  runtime  runtime-map  systab  vars
[09:25] <murmel> Intelo: so you are on it, memtest86+ doesn't support uefi, so you would need to use memtest86 (without +, non foss) (which supports uefi)
[09:26] <Intelo> murmel `sudo apt install memtest86` ?
[09:26] <murmel> Intelo: memtest86.com
[09:27] <Intelo> Package memtest86 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:27] <Intelo> E: Package 'memtest86' has no installation candidate
[09:29] <Intelo> murmel do I need to make a usb?
[09:29] <murmel> Intelo: yes
[09:29] <Intelo> murmel any other option?
[09:29] <Guest26> Hi, I am having an issue with 22.04 whereby when the service sleeps it logs me out completely and I need to restart everything again. Any ideas on what the issues may be? See logs https://pastebin.com/EQ9DJbGv
[09:31] <murmel> Intelo: afaik no
[09:32] <Intelo> murmel another ubuntu live cd will do it? it has memtest too I gues?
[09:32] <Intelo> murmel how to exactly know if this is due to weak CPU or new ram?
[09:33] <murmel> Intelo: no other ubuntu live cd helps, the only option you have is boot the live ISO in legacy mode, so memtest should show up in the grub menu
[09:33] <Intelo> how to boot in legacy mode?
[09:33] <murmel> Intelo: when the memtest runs, it should pretty much show a few errors within the first few hours (mostly 1-3 hrs)
[09:33] <Intelo> murmel is there a way to do memtest on a running ubuntu os? Not  a good idea but how?
[09:34] <murmel> Intelo: most of the time legacy is activated so you just need to get to the boot menu (of the bios) (most use F12 for that) and there you can choose between booting uefi or legacy for the usb stick)
[09:34] <murmel> murmel: afaik no
[09:34] <Intelo> sudo apt install memtester ; sudo memtester 200M 1   says ok ok ok to all in 2 minutes its over. https://linuxhint.com/run_memtest_ubuntu/ second option
[09:35] <Intelo> murmel was that not ok?
[09:36] <murmel> Intelo: no idea, as I never used that program
[09:36] <murmel> Intelo: if it's really the ram, I really hope that you have backups of your data
[09:37] <murmel> as you can't really trust your files that much any more.
[09:39] <Intelo> murmel https://pastebin.mozilla.org/yrsR9uYJ
[09:41] <murmel> Intelo: I have no idea what I am looking at. :) sorry, can't help you there
[09:41] <murmel> Intelo: so you have 128gigs of ram?
[09:41] <Intelo> murmel can't I change things in my bios to boot in legacy mode via ssd
[09:41] <Intelo> murmel I have 64g
[09:42] <murmel> Intelo: why do you have a size of 128000 then?
[09:42] <Intelo> my bad
[09:43] <zoomm10> Intelo: what is your problem?
[09:44] <Intelo> I installed memtest86+. It printed that it is updating grub but at boot, I do not see any such message to do memtest
[09:45] <Intelo> my newly installed ram seems like breaking the apps but I do not know how exactly to debug
[09:45] <Intelo> I am on x570 TUF gaming asus wifi plus MB. I do not know what is uefi etc
[09:48] <Intelo> zoomm10 problem ^
[09:49] <zoomm10> memtest86+ works only in BIOS and not in UEFI. what is your mode? BIOS or UEFI?
[09:50] <Intelo> I am on x570 TUF gaming asus wifi plus MB.
[09:50] <Intelo> I think latest bios
[09:51] <Intelo> memtester app won't help?
[09:51] <Intelo> what commadn should I give?
[09:52] <zoomm10> start to boot your ps by Live CD (Ubuntu), there is an option Test Memory
[09:52] <zoomm10> PC*
[09:52] <Intelo> ok by the way:
[09:52] <Intelo> memtester app won't help?
[09:52] <Intelo> on running os?
[09:53] <Intelo> ` sudo memtester 64000 5`
[09:54] <zoomm10> cat /proc/meminfo
[09:57] <Intelo> https://termbin.com/3jh2
[09:57] <Intelo> $ sudo dmidecode -t memory | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:57] <Intelo> https://termbin.com/t66b
[09:59] <zoomm10> you have 64 GB memory
[10:02] <zoomm10> Intelo: free
[10:04] <Intelo> zoomm10 ok. so what should I do?
[10:07] <zoomm10> Intelo: is not clear to me what is your problem with your memory? I see in your system 64 GB of memory, which memory works fine.
[10:08] <Intelo> 32g
[10:09] <zoomm10> run in terminal the command: free
[11:05] <NetIssue> I want to learn more about networking stack in Ubuntu 20.04. For example network card management and DNS. Is it the same as Debian? Can I just read the Debian Admin Handbook?
[11:06] <NetIssue> I looked on the Ubuntu docs https://help.ubuntu.com, but it is to vague. I am in China and having a lot of issues with VPNs and DNS.
[11:08] <ogra> NetIssue, ubuntu uses netplan (see netpla.io for documentation) for all non GUI installs ... on graphical installations it uses NetworkManager ...
[11:08] <ogra> *netplan.io
[11:09] <NetIssue> ogra thanks
[11:14] <mgedmin> NetIssue: newer ubuntu versions use netplan out of the box (backed either by systemd-networkd, or by NetworkManager), but Debian's ifupdown is also still supported
[11:15] <NetIssue> mgedmin thanks
[11:16] <NetIssue> How can I check what is being used by the system? is there a config file or log that controls what apps are used for DNS or network management? Is it all controlled by systemd or by network manager?
[11:18] <mgedmin> you can check whether the netplan.io package is installed, and then look at whether it has configuration in /etc/netplan/
[11:18] <mgedmin> for DNS check whether /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink
[11:19] <mgedmin> on typical systems it is a symlink to /run/systemd/..., which means systemd-resolved is responsible for DNS
[11:20] <mgedmin> systemd-networkd or NetworkManager tell systemd-resolved what the local network's DNS server is when they handle DHCP autoconfiguration (for IPv4; I've little experience with IPv6)
[11:20] <NetIssue> thanks
[11:20] <mgedmin> ifupdown is probably not worth mentioning, I expect only old ubuntu systems still use it
[11:21] <NetIssue> This is great stuff thanks, i will go read the docs for the products.
[13:22] <firc52b3549f> Good day again. I did go from #programming, to #kdevelop and so on. But my issue with including libraries still is present, and i'm going nuts.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> firc52b3549f: is your issue ubuntu related?
[13:25] <firc52b3549f> lotuspsychje: I am very unsure, but since it happens across all IDE's i would suppose so.
[13:26] <firc52b3549f> But i really can't say i'm afraid.
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> firc52b3549f: well ask away, and we will see if the volunteers can help or not
[13:26] <firc52b3549f> Well i updated to Ubuntu 22.04 just a couple of days ago.
[13:27] <firc52b3549f> And now it seems like any IDE i install, only can find libs correctly in usr/share/includes and also in root directory of a project.
[13:27] <firc52b3549f> But a path like `module/includelib.h`Does not work, just say's it can't be found.
[13:28] <NetIssue> @firc
[13:28] <firc52b3549f> Weird thing is, everything was working fine on Ubuntu 18.04 a couple days ago.
[13:28] <NetIssue> firc52b3549f you need to tell the compiler/linker where to find the libs. Different IDEs have different places for setting this.
[13:29] <NetIssue> most compilers/linkers like gcc you can add it to an environment variable that will also get picked up by the IDE sometimes.
[13:29] <NetIssue> what programming language? what compiler/linker are you using?
[13:34] <ogra> it might also be that some compiler defaults simply changed between the releases you used ...
[13:46] <Ecko> Hi. I have an sql file on my local machine and want to import it directly into mysql on a remote host. So I came up with `cat file.sql > ssh $remotehost`
[13:46] <Ecko> But I have no idea how to go on further. How do I redirect the input stream directly into mysql
[13:53] <rbasak> Ecko: ssh $remotehost mysql < file.sql
[13:55] <rbasak> Or to use your approach, "cat file.sql | ssh $remotehost mysql" would work as well, but the "cat" isn't really necessary.
[13:56] <Ecko> so....mysql will automatically get stdin?
[13:56] <Ecko> What if I need to specify a database too? would ssh $remotehost mysql db < file.sql work?
[14:01] <rbasak> Yep
[14:24] <lagunalorre> i tried to do snap refresh firefox for the 105 version and it says it has autorefresh change in progress but it still is 104
[14:24] <lagunalorre> what does autorefresh change in progress mean
[14:27] <ravage> lagunalorre, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1167566/snap-not-allowing-me-to-remove-or-refresh-anything
[14:32] <NCEric> Hi, I'm booted into an Ubuntu live environment... how can I install a package while on the live environment?
[14:39] <alkisg> sudo apt update; sudo apt install package
[14:39] <eelstrebor> why doesn't zram-config create init-zram-swapping utilizing all cpu cores?
[14:39] <alkisg> assuming you mean to install it on the live environment, not on some chroot
[14:43] <NCEric> alkisg that doesn't work
[14:44] <NCEric> running this seems to work... sudo add-apt-repository universe
[14:44] <lagunalorre> ravage wierd ...while i was reading the url...i did sudo snap changes and everything said done instead of inprogress and now firefox reads 105
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> lagunalorre: 105.0 here aswell
[14:51] <lagunalorre> wow chromium took 2 entire days to compile on gentoo...what a pain
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> not a topic for here lagunalorre
[14:52] <lagunalorre> lotuspsychje ok but ubuntu is much easier
[14:53] <coconut> lagunalorre, that's why gentoo is not for new linux users
[14:56] <lagunalorre> coconut yes you are correct
[14:57] <NCEric> lagunalorre how many parallel threads?  Did you set the correct make options for your processor?
[14:58] <lagunalorre> NCEic i used j2 and native for this old hardware
[14:58] <alkisg> NCEric: if you're using ubuntu gnome and the program is in universe, then yes you need that
[14:59] <lagunalorre> NCEic it maxed out both cpus for 2 days
[14:59] <NCEric> lagunalorre if you have better hardware somewhere else on your network you can always setup distcc
[14:59] <ogra> !ot | lagunalorre
[15:00] <lagunalorre> NCEic ok i will talk about it in #ubuntu-offtopic...not here
[15:00] <ogra> 👍
[15:00] <ogra> thanks 🙂
[15:08] <lagunalorre> i guess snap fixed itself while i was looking at the 20.04 url issue
[15:28] <stevenm> on a fresh install of ubuntu... I can't help but notice that /dev/kvm is crw-rw----+
[15:29] <stevenm> with the + being (as getfacl says)... user:admin:rw-  and mask::rw-
[15:29] <stevenm> now 'admin' is actually the non-root user on this machine (i.e. uid 1000 - the one that setup makes)
[15:29] <stevenm> and admin isn't a member of group kvm - even though it does exist
[15:30] <stevenm> so how on earth is this meant to let a 2nd user access /dev/kvm by default?
[15:31] <ogra> sudo adduser foo kvm
[15:31] <ogra> simply add the new user to the group
[15:32] <stevenm> yeah you've missed the point here
[15:33] <stevenm> take /dev/rfkill for example, it's owned by root:netdev
[15:33] <stevenm> but the default user 1000 of any ubuntu fresh install isn't a member of group netdev
[15:33] <ogra> kvm acces can allow a user to theoretically take over the machine ... rfkill is just blocking devices
[15:33] <stevenm> but the acl says user:YOURUSERNAMEHERE:rw-
[15:34] <ogra> different levels of threads
[15:35] <stevenm> so if you've got a multi-user system... where you want say 5 people to all have the same access as the default user 1000... is there *SOME* reference somewhere which says what all the missing groups and random acl's that need to be applied on files are?
[15:35] <stevenm> it just seems a bit all over the place
[15:37] <stevenm> or is something running around setting these acl's at login time?
[15:41] <ogra> stevenm, i'd ask in #ubuntu-security ... they maintain acl stuff and such
[15:42] <stevenm> ogra, I have a feeling it's something called 'uaccess'  -  some systemd mechanism
[15:43] <ogra> IIRC ACL support was added even before we switched to systemd
[15:44] <ogra> (but i could mis-remember)
[15:44] <stevenm> yeah I think whatever this uaccess thing is - it's running off and setting acl's as appropriate for the user which systemd thinks is most likely going to be using it
[15:44] <stevenm> presumably whomever is running logged in physically at the console
[15:44] <stevenm> which is fine for being physically at it - but useless for a termserver :S
[15:44] <ogra> either way, the guys in the securty channel can surely answer this
[15:45] <ogra> (IIRC it is also not systemd but udev managing it ... but again ICBW)
[15:46] <stevenm> yeah it's udev, but it's a udev rule which is part of systemd
[15:46] <stevenm> 70-uaccess.rules
[15:46] <stevenm> in /lib/udev/rules.d
[15:49] <stevenm> hmm i wonder if that could finally fix the annoying thing of adding a user to 'dialout' for access to usb serial adapters
[15:51] <stevenm> nope - no one thought about adding that as a default rule
[15:51] <stevenm> typical
[15:51] <iomari891> what does "aptitude reinstall '~i'" mean? mainly what does '~i' mean?
[16:09] <KBar> i think it means list installed packages
[16:12] <quotemstr> Is it because of phased updates that I might observe apt unexpectedly holding back packages?
[16:12] <KBar> `reinstall ~i` means reinstall all installed packages, in your case
[16:21] <KBar> is it just me or firefox doesn't show characters entered in Unicode input anymore? with Ctrl+Shift+U an underlined "u" appears and characters are displayed in any text entry in any app but firefox. does it have to do with the fact that its a snap now?
[16:23] <KBar> installed a deb package of firefox v104 on my Debian VM and it works there so it doesnt look like it a firefox issue?
[16:31] <KBar> quotemstr: yes
[16:36] <quotemstr> KBar: Thanks
[16:36] <quotemstr> I was worried I just had a broken package repository
[16:40] <KBar> quotemstr: tbh its also possible that you set some packages on hold
[16:40] <KBar> manually
[16:41] <KBar> `apt-mark showhold` should give you the list of packages you marked as held
[16:42] <quotemstr> Checked for that already. Phasing is the only explanation. Makes sense
[16:42] <quotemstr> I just wish that the apt output were more explicit
[16:42] <KBar> ah okay
[16:44] <rfm> quotemstr, you can see the list of packages that are currently phasing at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html  -- if the packages being held are on the list, that's what it is
[16:48] <rfm> quotemstr, also apt-cache policy <package> will tell
[17:03] <ogra> KBar, please file a bug against firefox, i dont think that is known ... (see "snap info firefox | grep contact")
[18:30] <eelstrebor> what's the difference between swapon and zramswap start? are they interchangeable? can they be used together? not much explains how to properly setup zram
[18:33] <diaz-xu-help> Is there anything that can be done in BIOS to decrease the time it takes to boot GRUB?
[18:35] <sarnold> perhaps, some systems have a "memory test" feature that ran quick enough when computers had four megs of ram but might not make sense today..
[18:35] <sarnold> (I don't think it's intensive enough to actually find memory errors, either)
[18:35] <leftyfb> diaz-xu-help: "boot GRUB" should take about a second
[18:37] <sarnold> man, I've got one system where it takes like 30s before it gets to grub
[18:37] <sarnold> I've heard some of the Big Systems with terabytes of ram can take eight minutes or something hilarious
[18:37] <leftyfb> is that grub booting or is that silly stuff in POST/EFI?
[18:37] <leftyfb> right, but that's not the time it takes to boot grub, that's the time till it gets to the point of even attempting to boot grub
[18:38] <sarnold> efi, giving the NICs and HBAs a chance to do whatever it is they do, spin up drives, that sort of stuff
[18:38] <diaz-xu-help> sarnold, I have some option called something like "Fast boot", it's enabled, it's explained there smth like "Disabling some tests on the startup"
[18:38] <leftyfb> yeah, Dell PE's have their lifecycle stuff which can take multiple minutes to get past
[18:38] <sarnold> sure, so step back a moment and make sure you're thinking it through the same way :)
[18:38] <sarnold> diaz-xu-help: that's probably helpful, assuming that is unrelated to the windows feature Fast Boot
[18:39] <leftyfb> diaz-xu-help: if you're talking about the time it takes your motherboard to finish POST, then maybe ask in #hardware. It's not related to Ubuntu
[18:39] <nteodosio> KBar: In the Url bar, Ctrl+Shift+U 0400 <enter> prints the expected È for me in Firefox stable (105.0-2). If you changed input method (e.g. GTK_IM_MODULE=xim firefox), though, it will not work.
[18:40] <sarnold> diaz-xu-help: there are replacement bioses out there designed to boot quickly, but you'd have to have a *very* good reason to replace your bios https://www.coreboot.org/users.html
[18:44] <diaz-xu-help> sarnold, surely it is not the windows feature, it's BIOS' own one :)
[18:45] <sarnold> diaz-xu-help: good good; try flipping it then :D
[18:45] <diaz-xu-help> leftyfb, thank you a lot for the piece of advice, my bad :)
[18:45] <Daino> hi to all. I'm trying to learn how to use photorec, but i have a problem. I can't choose an external hdd to write report and recovered files. So now i'm trying first to have a list of the biggest files on my pc (old reports in wrong positions), in order to delete them, otherwise the pc crash
[18:45] <leftyfb> diaz-xu-help: also, if the "fast boot" option you found is in Windows, you need to disable that
[18:45] <leftyfb> diaz-xu-help: it will cause problems
[18:46] <KBar> nteodosio: yes, but does it show the underlined u and code point (eg 00e7) while you're typing
[18:46] <Daino> And second how to choose an external hdd in photorec
[18:46] <KBar> ?
[18:47] <diaz-xu-help> sarnold, flipping what? disabling/enabling it? Disabling "Quick Boot" surely makes it load slower. I thought maybe there are some roundabout ways to win at least a second. Got tired of waiting every single reboot. Wondering how many times I did that...
[18:48] <sarnold> diaz-xu-help: oh, I had the impression your bios was currently set to "slow boot"
[18:49] <diaz-xu-help> leftyfb, when I'm going to use Windows again, I'll be sure to check if it's disabled, thanks. But now SSD containing Windows is just removed from the case. So... no Windows there :)
[18:50] <Daino> by the way i have founded a big file made by photorec, but when i try to delete it, the system tell me that i have no permission
[18:50] <arraybolt3> Daino: Are you running Photorec as root? And is the external HDD formatted?
[18:51] <arraybolt3> (Also do NOT do any more writing to the drive you're trying to recover data from - the more you write to the drive, the smaller your chances of successful data recovery get.)
[18:51] <Daino> i think yes and yes
[18:51] <leftyfb> Daino: use sudo to delete the file
[18:51] <leftyfb> Daino: also, what is the filename?
[18:52] <arraybolt3> Daino: OK, can you open a terminal and run "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link from that?
[18:53] <Daino> https://termbin.com/ia9w
[18:54] <diaz-xu-help> sarnold, wow, I checked the link you provided... I'm wondering how it's going to work on different mobos :)
[18:55] <sarnold> diaz-xu-help: very poorly, if at all :D
[18:55] <Daino> but first of all i would like to do space in the pc before it crash
[18:55] <arraybolt3> Daino: Really, that's a bad idea. Are you booted from a live USB?
[18:56] <arraybolt3> Daino: If you're trying to recover data from your current drive, while booted from that drive, that might be part of your problem. You should boot from a live USB and do the recovery from there.
[18:56] <Daino> wait
[18:56] <Daino> the hdd where i will recover photo is the toshiba
[18:56] <Daino> now i'm not on the toshiba
[18:57] <Daino> i need sppace on pc, to work. Then i will like to recover photto from toshiba to another external disk
[18:58] <arraybolt3> Daino: Oh, so the Toshiba is the drive with missing data?
[18:58] <arraybolt3> Daino: And you need to recover to a second external drive?
[18:59] <arraybolt3> Daino: If that's the case, I didn't see your second external drive in the list of drives from lsblk.
[18:59] <Daino> yes, but before i need to do space in this pc, and only after thinking at photorec
[18:59] <arraybolt3> Daino: OK. So what is the big file that you can't delete?
[19:00] <Daino> second drive is a smb connected hdd mounted on a router. The big file is an old report of a previous bad usage of photorec
[19:00] <arraybolt3> Daino: Oh. OK, that's important info.
[19:01] <Daino> so how i delete this file? just from terminal with sudo? And what if is an entire folder?
[19:01] <arraybolt3> Daino: To delete the big file, find the exact path to it (something like /home/user/myBigPhotorecLogfile.txt), and then run "sudo rm /home/user/myBigPhotorecLogfile.txt", replacing the file path as appropriate.
[19:02] <arraybolt3> If you need to delete an entire folder with admin privileges, you use "sudo rm -rf"... BUT BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WITH THIS COMMAND, IT CAN NUKE YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM IF YOU MAKE A SLIGHT TYPO!!!
[19:02] <Daino> ok thak you i try. Is possible to delete a folder? or before i need to empty that?
[19:03] <arraybolt3> So to delete /home/user/badFolder with admin privileges, "sudo rm -rf /home/user/badFolder". Again, treat that command like a bomb waiting to explode in your face, because one typo can have disastrous consequences.
[19:03] <nteodosio> KBar: It does. After reading your response I'm not sure whether you can't input by unicode value or if you're only missing the underlined value.
[19:03] <Daino> ok let me try
[19:03] <KBar> nteodosio: im not getting underlined u1234 as in other places. essentially typing in blindly. its the latter
[19:03] <KBar> nteodosio: so you have it working?
[19:04] <nteodosio> KBar: I do have it working completely
[19:04] <nteodosio> KBar: Which version is your Firefox?
[19:05] <KBar> nteodosio: well, thats weird. v105. you have it installed as a snap?
[19:05] <nteodosio> KBar: Yup.
[19:05] <nteodosio> KBar: It's actually ibus that is responsible for the underline thing.
[19:06] <KBar> alright, thank you for testing.
[19:06] <nteodosio> KBar: You're welcome.
[19:06] <KBar> well, the strange part is that it works everywhere else, be it terminal or text editor
[19:07] <KBar> even created a new profile, still invisible unicode input :(
[19:07] <nteodosio> KBar: I've had problems with input methods in snaps too, but for composition symbols.
[19:08] <nteodosio> But it looks as the sort of thing difficult to track down. Bug 1989475.
[19:10] <Daino> done!
[19:10] <arraybolt3> Daino: \o/
[19:11] <Daino> yes
[19:11] <arraybolt3> Daino: OK, so does Photorec allow you to select a folder to save the recovered files into?
[19:11] <Daino> is there a way to hace a list of the biggest file on pc to make more space?
[19:11] <arraybolt3> I think so, can't remember the command, I'll look and find out unless someone beats me to it.
[19:12] <KBar> nteodosio: very pesky indeed. thanks a bunch, ill look into it later
[19:12] <Daino> yes but only in the same pc that is installed. I think, i cant find a way to. But first i would like to make more space
[19:13] <arraybolt3> Daino: Try "du -BM . | sort -g".
[19:13] <arraybolt3> Daino: Don't go randomly deleting stuff that you're told about with that command.
[19:14] <arraybolt3> Daino: That should show you which folders have the most stuff in them.
[19:14] <Daino> yes, i just would like to see if i have forgotten old photorec reports. That the only way my pc is full
[19:17] <Daino> 'du -BM . | sort -g'   it works, but in a strange way difficult to read. How to know how much free space is on my pc?
[19:17] <arraybolt3> Daino: You should be able to do that by opening System Monitor (if you're on Ubuntu Desktop).
[19:18] <arraybolt3> Open it and then click the File Systems tab.
[19:18] <arraybolt3> Daino: Also that command might be better as 'du -BM ~ | sort -g' - that way it scans your whole Home folder rather than just whatever folder you happen to be in.
[19:19] <Daino> System Monitor is settings?
[19:20] <arraybolt3> Daino: It should just be an app that you can find in your Application Menu.
[19:20] <arraybolt3> Daino: Just open the menu, then start typing "Monitor" and it should show up.
[19:25] <Daino> ok done. So ubuntu partition is too small. I will need to enlarge it. But for now space is enough to work. Now i try photorec installed on pc, to recover from toshiba to an external smb hdd, but i dont know how to tell photorec to set external smb hdd as destination
[19:27] <arraybolt3> Daino: Most likely you need to mount the SMB share on a folder.
[19:27] <arraybolt3> Daino: I'm guessing that the way you're currently accessing it might not be doing that. So... one moment while I dig up documentation
[19:29] <Daino> thank you very much! I can see second hdd (usb readyshare) from file explorer but i don't know if it's enough.
[19:29] <Daino> https://termbin.com/ia9w     here is not listed
[19:30] <arraybolt3> Daino: Yeah, just being able to see it in the File Explorer is probably not enough.
[19:31] <arraybolt3> Daino: Try "mount -t cifs -o username=<share user>,password=<share password> //IP/share /mnt", replacing the placeholders as appropriate. (This assumes you don't have anything mounted at /mnt.)
[19:31] <Daino> but maybe i have understand what you mean. I can disconnect second hdd from router, and than connect it at the pc via usb, just like the toshiba hdd
[19:31] <arraybolt3> Daino: Yeah, that would likely work also.
[19:32] <Daino> ok i try my way, that command looks like not for me...
[20:03] <Daino> How can i show you a screenshot?
[20:04] <arraybolt3> Daino: Upload it to Imgur?
[20:05] <Daino> https://imgur.com/OMWjR4x
[20:06] <Daino> ok thats the problem. How can i see external hdd here?
[20:06] <arraybolt3> Daino: Select the ".." folder to go up one folder, that should work.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> I'd try using Enter to select the folder.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Navigate up until you're to "/", then go to /media.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Then from /media, go to <username>, then find your external drive in there.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> (<username> will be your username.(
[20:09] <arraybolt3> Daino: To be clear, /media/<username> will contain folders inside of it, one of those folders is your external drive, which one, you'll have to figure out. You can probably figure it out by looking at the contents of each one.
[20:10] <arraybolt3> *one of those folders is *probably* your external drive
[20:10] <Daino> bingo!
[20:26] <skuntee4> just 'bingo' we write no xclamation mark...usyally.
[21:49] <ws2k3> i kinda ran into a bug and i wanted to check what is the status of this bug in ubuntu 20.04 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1006324
[21:50] <ws2k3> i think it is a bug in the apparmor profile for qemu
[21:50] <ws2k3> kernel: [1926811.773859] audit: type=1400 audit(1663709336.660:573): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="libvirt-9d865b09-589d-4fc6-b2cd-6fac6d0c021e" name="/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/nvram/debian11_VARS.fd" pid=2412916 comm="qemu-system-aar" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=64055 ouid=64055
[21:54] <eelstrebor> what's the difference between swapon and zramswap start? are they interchangeable? can they be used together? not much explains how to properly setup zram
[22:03] <rbasak> ws2k3: looks like it's fixed in Jammy onwards: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1962035
[22:06] <arraybolt3> eelstrebor: I don't know what zramswap start is, but I know how to set up ZRAM compression.
[22:06] <arraybolt3> eelstrebor: This is a guide for how to do it on Lubuntu, but the same general steps should work on any Ubuntu system: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/enabling-ram-compression-on-lubuntu/3323
[22:07] <arraybolt3> (Disclaimer: I am the author of the guide linked above.)
[22:26] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: That's no disclaimer, that's an admission of guilt!  At least we know who to report errors to.
[22:26] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: LOL
[22:26] <sarnold> lol
[22:35] <blei> is there a desktop ubuntu app that can send/receive verizon sms messages
[22:41] <sarnold> blei: gammu looks promising https://docs.gammu.org/faq/general.html
[23:02] <blei> sarnold that is a cli interface
[23:05] <avih> hi, i have an 22.04 LTS system which started about 10 years ago, and kept updated to LTS versions and usual updates between. since 22.04, apt dist-upgrade shows more and more "The following packages have been kept back:....', (currently 40) and all of those seem to be things i don't care about (e.g. about half are related to libre office). i vaguely understand why i get the message, but i really want apt to just upgrade everything. results on ask ubuntu
[23:05] <avih> suggests that dist-upgrade is the most aggressive and "dangerous" solution because it can delete some packages, but even that keeps these 40 "kept back" packages. any advice or starting point docs on how to resolve it?
[23:07] <arraybolt3> avih: It's just phased updates. You can safely ignore those messages.
[23:07] <blei> anyone know of a gui SMS app that supports verizon
[23:07] <arraybolt3> avih: The idea is, when an update is released, rather than releasing it to all users in one go, it is released bit by bit.
[23:07] <avih> arraybolt3: i'm listening...
[23:07] <arraybolt3> avih: This makes it so that, in the event an update breaks things, the problem is spotted early on.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> avih: That way you're less likely to get an update that breaks your system.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> avih: And it also spreads out the load on Ubuntu's servers.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> avih: You can check to see if a package is phasing or not by running "apt-cache policy <packagename>". It will show you a phasing percentage if the package is still phasing.
[23:09] <arraybolt3> avih: If you see that, there's no need to do anything. Just wait, when the time comes the package will install normally. (Or it will be discovered that there's a bug in the update and the phasing will reset to 0% so that people stop installing something that messes them up.)
[23:09] <avih> arraybolt3: is this a new thing which started, or started being applied, after 20.04?
[23:09] <arraybolt3> avih: It's relatively recent AFAIK.
[23:09] <arraybolt3> It started in Ubuntu 21.04 according to this: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345
[23:10] <avih> right, so this at least explains why i haven't seen it in 20.04
[23:11] <avih> however, these phased updates are quite a big list which adds a lot of noise to my regular dist-upgrade, and it interferes  with me reviewing what's about to get updated
[23:11] <blei> did anyone else notice that the libera.chat web app uses the equivalent of <blink> in your tab to get your attention
[23:12] <avih> the kept back list is quite bigger than the list of things to update...
[23:12] <arraybolt3> avih: That happens. There are some UI problems with the phased update system (namely that apt tells you packages are being held back but doesn't say *why*). Lots of us want that to change, hopefully it will.
[23:13] <arraybolt3> (There's a bug report on it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1988819)
[23:13] <avih> arraybolt3: if this is indeed the standard order of things, why am i being shown at all what it's NOT going to install for reasons not related to errors or conflicts?
[23:13] <sarnold> avih: hah, that's a good question. can you pop that into the bug report? :)
[23:13] <arraybolt3> avih: That's a great question, and it's one I have too. :)
[23:14] <arraybolt3> avih: My original idea (and the one mentioned in the bug report) was to say why the packages were being held back. But just not showing them at all might be even better, and easier to implement.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> Maybe throw on an extra APT switch for if you want to see the updates that are still phasing?
[23:15] <arraybolt3> (To be clear, others had the idea of showing why packages were being held back before me. I'm not the one who made the bug report.)
[23:15] <arraybolt3> blei: I don't remember noticing it, but it makes sense.
[23:15] <arraybolt3> (I don't use the webchat anymore, so I can't remember if it ever flashed at me or not.)
[23:16] <nickzxcv> is there an HWE build of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz ?
[23:17] <nickzxcv> i need a newer i40e driver to install :(
[23:17] <nickzxcv> getting this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1887703 i think
[23:17] <avih> sarnold: arraybolt3: i don't have an account to add to bug reports, but you two seem to do, so would you do the courtesy of asking it there?
[23:17] <sarnold> avih: sure
[23:18] <arraybolt3> avih: No problem. (Actually, sarnold's gonna beat me to it :P )
[23:18] <avih> thanks
[23:19] <nickzxcv> its weird because i have some other servers with quad port X710s and they're running focal ok
[23:20] <nickzxcv> idk what installer kernel they managed to run at the time of their install, they're in production now
[23:20] <nickzxcv> but my installer kernel now is 5.4.0-42-generic
[23:26] <avih> arraybolt3: also, yes, saying WHY it's kept back could avoid a lot of head scratching, first mentioning it's related to phased updates (first time i hear this term, but it's at least googlable), and something like "kept back temporarily as part of phased updates, and are likely to be upgraded soon"
[23:28] <avih> to me, and despite my searches and results i've found at stack overflow and ask ubuntu, it all pointed to it being related somehow to conflicts. nothing suggested it's a regular course of action
[23:29] <sarnold> yeah, "conflicts" was the definite cause of that for about two decades
[23:29] <sarnold> and about a year ago, we got a new cause! isn't that fun? :)
[23:30] <sarnold> (I'm not actually opposed to the phasing idea, I just think we rushed it out too soon)
[23:33] <avih> yeah, phased updates sounds great, but users should not start running possibly destructive commands because all the google results says it's related to conflicts...
[23:42] <avih> sarnold: saw your post to the bug. thanks :)
[23:43] <sarnold> avih: it's a good idea :) thanks, hehe
[23:47] <avih> hmm.. now that i think about it, this can actually have much worst issues: when there ARE conflicts which the user should be aware of, they're 100% going to be unnoticed inside the list of kept updates which the users will learn to ignore
[23:47] <avih> because every update will have held back packages, users will simply learn to ignore anything related to it
[23:50] <avih> worse*