 Hi bro. How upgrade LTS 20.04.5 to 22.04 LTS ?
[02:42] <mybalzitch> sudo do-release-upgrade
 Thank's bro (re @IrcsomeBot: <mybalzitch> sudo do-release-upgrade)
[02:54] <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: Don't forget to back up your data (including passwords in browsers and password managers) before attempting an upgrade.
 Thanks for reminding bro (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: Don't forget to back up your data (including passwords in browsers and password managers) before attempting an upgrade.)
[03:12] <mmikowski> @EuropaX: I've seen trouble upgrading. Found backing up data and reinstalling was faster and gave better results. $0.02.
 I also found the problem when I upgraded, it seems to be caused by the ppa. So I gave up. Reinstalling the new version would mean I would waste a lot of time getting to where I am now.😢
[03:16] <jjs> after i do an install, i make a list of all extra packages that i install -- i make a script i can just re-run if i need to.
 Can you share it with me? (re @IrcsomeBot: <jjs> after i do an install, i make a list of all extra packages that i install -- i make a script i can just re-run if i need to.)
[03:19] <jjs> IrcsomeBot:  oh, i mean i literally just make a script called 'post-install.sh' and any commands I would run, I add to the script and then re-run it.
[03:20] <mmikowski> sudo apt list --installed > package-list.
[03:20] <mmikowski> also, backup /etc. That way, you can see previously install ppas in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[03:21] <jjs> mmikowski:  While that is true, i do more then just install packages.
[03:21] <mmikowski> Sure, as we all do. I'm agreeing with you :)
[03:21] <jjs> like i'm on PopOS which needs "sudo chmod 4755 `which dmesg`"
 Thanks mate, I misunderstood (re @IrcsomeBot: <jjs> IrcsomeBot:  oh, i mean i literally just make a script called 'post-install.sh' and any commands I would run, I add to the script and then re-run it.)
[03:22] <mmikowski> Another good strategy is to do a dry run in a VM.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> This may just add to the chaos, but "sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party" might let you get away with keeping the PPAs. Also may make things blow up, but that's why you have backups.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> *PPAs and other third-party repos
[03:26] <arraybolt3> (I've never actually done a do-release-upgrade before since I don't like the idea of it going wrong, I always clean-install, so I would follow mmikowski's recommendation of a clean install. It feels like it takes longer, but the time you may save troubleshooting is worth it IMO.)
[03:29] <mmikowski> My actual experience recently was "sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party" with a client took him 2.5 hours and left the system in an inconsistent state that would have taken additional hours to fix. Clean install took 15 minutes.
[03:30] <valorie> do-release-upgrade has only had a problem once, and I knew the gamble that time
[03:30] <valorie> since the upgrade path was not advised
[03:30] <mmikowski> And clean install removes old configs that are not compatible or could cause issues with the new system.  FWIW, I'm certain a good portion of the upgrade issue was communication.
[03:30] <valorie> and I usually back up just in case
[03:32] <mmikowski> @valorie: I think that's my point. Since you are backing up already, and need to do it well for it to be useful, you don't save any time upgrading since a clean install is actually faster.
[03:33] <mmikowski> And 20.04 => 22.04 has been an issue for a few clients. In any event, best of luck to you all. Gotta get back to development :)
[03:35] <valorie> well, reinstalling software, etc -- I find annoying
[03:35] <valorie> some enjoy it
 Is this why other people choose arch linux and similar rolling distros?😂
[03:38] <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: No, people choose arch linux because they like having every single system update being just as risky as a do-release-upgrade but with an added layer of gotchas and tripwires to maneuver. (I no longer use arch, btw.)
[03:39] <arraybolt3> (Alright, some people actually do have uses for it, and know how to deal with it. I'm happy for them. I'm happy in Ubuntu-land, thanks.)
[03:42] <valorie> the kubuntu team thoroughly tests the do-release-upgrade process before recommending it. I've been using Kubuntu for almost 20 years and have had only one troublesome experience
[03:43] <valorie> as I said, I expected trouble and just worked through it
 I've tried arch linux or its ilk a few times, like manjaro, and I like to update my systems frequently (as I do with Ubuntu) and keep them up to date, which I know is a very dangerous operation. Because often I can't find packages that pacman can use, and there is no aur, I have to go back to ubuntu (a lot of software does not have a format that pacman can use). (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Eur0paX: No, people choose arch linux because they
[04:54] <user|75> I think I installed kubuntu, but after I removed the media and restarted. Windows 11 still booted up
[04:55] <user|75> do I need to change my boot order? Does it not have a boot menu?
[04:56] <user|75> I assumed the install would create a boot menu to dual boot
[05:14] <alkisg> user|75: did you get any warnings/errors from the installer?
[05:15] <alkisg> 2) Try to press f12 (or other keys) when the computer boots and see if you have an ubuntu entry
[05:15] <alkisg> 3) Otherwise boot again from the live cd and run: sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:17] <arraybolt3> alkisg: They're gone. :(
[05:17] <alkisg> Meh, stupid matrix :)
 Hi
 Anyone can help me with swap file?
[06:34] <arraybolt3> @Omar: o/
 Anyone testing Kinetic Kudu? Is it worth trying now or need some wait? Thanks
[06:43] <arraybolt3> @CrustyCrab55: I test it quite a bit. If you intend to use it for production use, definitely wait until it's officially released. If you're OK with using stuff that could break, then you can try it. It's been surprisingly stable *in my limited experience*, but the way in which development releases work means that it is **never** safe to use them for production use unless you are prepared to clean up breakage.
[06:44] <arraybolt3> (Just because the software has been relatively stable in the past part of the development release, doesn't mean someone can't make a blunder and nuke the whole thing on accident in the future. As time passes, restrictions are added on what can and can't be done so that the release stabilizes before it's released.)
[06:46] <arraybolt3> With all of those warnings taken into consideration, I know at least one guy who uses the development release as his main system and has been doing so for years, and he survives it.
[06:46] <arraybolt3> But he's also a very advanced Ubuntu user.
 Yeah i still did not do it 😂 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Omar: o/)
[07:09] <arraybolt3> @Omar: Sorry for the delay, I'm back.
 Hey bro
 Just saw this msg
 Yeah I'm having problem with the System>Users...
 What's CLI pls?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> @PJtunes if you are around, I can probably help with System Settings > Users, if that's where you are having trouble. Or are you using CLI?)
[07:38] <arraybolt3> (CLI = Command Line Interface)
 Oh
 I always tend to use GUI
 Hardly use CLI unless it's necessary
 Thanks <arraybolt3>
[10:28] <magic_ninja> darnit caught a plasma upgrade with some packages kept back and now I'm missing some stuff lol
[10:29] <magic_ninja> hopefully it's better later today
 Can you still help with this??? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> @PJtunes if you are around, I can probably help with System Settings > Users, if that's where you are having trouble. Or are you using CLI?)
[11:35] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: I think he's probably asleep right now. Not sure when he'll be available next.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Oh okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: I think he's probably asleep right now. Not sure when he'll be available next.)
 It is ok (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @Omar: Sorry for the delay, I'm back.)
[17:21] <andre08140> bonjour tout le monde
[18:10] <rik_> afternoon everyone
[18:11] <rik_> I find myself in a bit of a sticky wicket and I am hoping someone can point me in the right dirction.
[18:12] <rik_> running kubuntu 22.04, during a sudo apt-get upgrade we had lightning/thunder and lost network connectivity for a few moments
[18:13] <rik_> network came back fine, the k22.04, not so much.  Rebooted into console (that's all I had) and with the help of a sneakernet I've gotten to network up and running again.
[18:14] <rik_> unfortunatly, it only boots into a console.  If I startx I get the usual kde login, my desktop, background, custom walpaper, etc.
[18:15] <rik_> it looks pretty, but the mouse cursor doesn't move, and it doesn't recognize the keyboard.  Eventually the monitors will blank and then all that's left to do is hard reboot the box.
[18:15] <rik_> anyone have any ideas as to how I can restore a functioning desktop/GUI?  thanks.
[18:17] <jjs> well.. i'm not the best at restoring systems that are lost that way -- but I can su ggest something to look at while waiting to see if someone else has a better idea
[18:18] <jjs> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=735693
[18:23] <rik_> jjs: thanks, seems like a bit of a nuclear approach, but if it comes down to it, what else can one do....
[18:29] <rik_> Xorg.log is full of "No input driver specified, ignoring this device"
[18:55] <mmikowski> @PJtunes, here now.
 Okay I'm here aswell
[18:57] <mmikowski> so how are you trying to add a user? CLI or GUI?
 I still attempted to change the password today even the username but it was impossible
 GUI (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> so how are you trying to add a user? CLI or GUI?)
[18:57] <mmikowski> Was that system-settings or CLI?
 It was on system settings
 >User
[18:58] <mmikowski> ok. And that was 22.04? What version of plasma?
 Software:
 Kde plasma version 5.24.4
 KDE frameworks 5.92.0
 Graphics platform: X11
[19:02] <mmikowski> Can you update to the latest kubuntu backports? Plasma should be 5.25.6 and Frameworks at 5.98.
 Oh
 Haven't done that before
 Can't I actually change my password without updating it to this yet? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Can you update to the latest kubuntu backports? Plasma should be 5.25.6 and Frameworks at 5.98.)
[19:09] <mmikowski> You can add the backports like this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[19:10] <mmikowski> Then update packages: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
[19:10] <mmikowski> PJtunes, that work for you?
[19:12] <oerheks> !password
[19:12] <oerheks> fix your password issue first; do you get an error?
 Sorry for late reply
 I'll get on my PC and try this out now
 I'll try running this (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> PJtunes, that work for you?)
 It says something I've forgotten let me check it out again (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> fix your password issue first; do you get an error?)
[19:31] <mmikowski> Ah, did not catch you had a password reset issue too.
 Oh
 That was what I mentioned before bringing up the username, both though (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Ah, did not catch you had a password reset issue too.)
[19:35] <mmikowski> @PJtunes: Sorry, it's a bit hard to follow every bit of a conversation on IRC -  there isn't an easy-to-read thread available that captures all posts.
 Yh I understand
[19:36] <mmikowski> ... and filters out all others. In fact, I can't even address you directly because it is being passed by an IrcsomeBot telegram bridge.
 That's what I noticed as well (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> ... and filters out all others. In fact, I can't even address you directly because it is being passed by an IrcsomeBot telegram bridge.)
 Hey
 After attempting to change the Name, username and password and hit Apply it feels like it's done but after sleeping the PC and waking up and then I input the password I changed it to it would say failed
 And I'll have to enter the previous password
[19:40] <mmikowski> Are you trying to change YOUR password?
[19:40] <mmikowski> Or another user?
 No I don't get any errors (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> fix your password issue first; do you get an error?)
 I'm trying to change the default user and password
 It's an administrator' (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Or another user?)
[19:41] <mmikowski> So another unit
[19:41] <mmikowski> Er, *user
 Or can't I change the administrator name and password?
 User?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Er, *user)
 !??? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Er, *user)
[19:46] <mmikowski> Sorry, just trying to see if you were trying to change the password of a different user or the one you are signed-in as.
[19:48] <mmikowski> If you are trying to change the one you are signed-in as, I recommend you just open a terminal and enter 'sudo passwd $USER. Then follow the prompts. The keypresses will NOT be echoed.
 The one I'm currently signed in as (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Sorry, just trying to see if you were trying to change the password of a different user or the one you are signed-in as.)
[19:48] <mmikowski> Yes, you can do it via the GUI, but that's almost certainly fastest.
[19:49] <mmikowski> Now if you are trying to change the password of a different user, let me know.
 Okay thank you
 Will try using the terminal then (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> If you are trying to change the one you are signed-in as, I recommend you just open a terminal and enter 'sudo passwd $USER. Then follow the prompts. The keypresses will NOT be echoed.)
[19:49] <mmikowski> cool
 I've tried it multiple times though (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Yes, you can do it via the GUI, but that's almost certainly fastest.)
[19:50] <mmikowski> By "That's almost certainly the fastest" I meant the CLI is the fastest.
[19:50] <mmikowski> You tried CLI multiple times?
 Ohh (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> By "That's almost certainly the fastest" I meant the CLI is the fastest.)
 Was referring to GUI
 No I've not
 But I'll give it a try then (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> You tried CLI multiple times?)
[19:54] <mmikowski> cool. I will be AFKB for a bit, but will catch up in a few minutes
[20:11] <sinkcat> Hi
[20:55] <cbreak> I want to change the date / time format to ISO format. How can I do that?
[20:56] <cbreak> and ideally english
[20:57] <cbreak> but for example, if I select en_CH, it uses weird / as separators, and uses day/month/year notation instead of year.month.day
 P3
 AGSJ
 Hi, anyone know how to change mouse debounce time on kubuntu 22.04?
 Hi I wanted to set this as my default go to go mirror. How do I set them? Thanks  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/maeen.sa
 This is the mirror I'm looking forward for Jammy amd64: https://mirrors.isu.net.sa/apt-mirror/
[22:26] <Dragnslcr> cbreak- in a clock widget in the panel, or in applications generally?
[22:36] <cbreak> Dragnslcr: in the system settings
[22:36] <cbreak> so that it affects the dates on the lock screen, dolphin, ...
[22:37] <Dragnslcr> I'd have to go check my laptop that's on 22.04. I know in 20.04, it isn't an option.
[22:37] <cbreak> I did it in the bar widget, because that has custom format options, but in the rest I didn't manage
 Thanks man
 It worked perfectly... (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> cool. I will be AFKB for a bit, but will catch up in a few minutes)
[23:53] <mmikowski> Great!
 Is it possible changing the name and username as well?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Great!)
[23:56] <mmikowski> @PJtunes: username is not easy. Lots of stuff gets tied to that.
 Oh oh!
 Alright no problem
[23:56] <mmikowski> Like other systems, file names and config files are all set up.
[23:56] <mmikowski> The easiest solution is to create a new user and then move data there.
 Won't want to mess with that then (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Like other systems, file names and config files are all set up.)
[23:56] <mmikowski> Once you are all set, then delete the original user.
[23:57] <mmikowski> This will result in a different UUID (1001 vs 1000, for example)
[23:57] <mmikowski> but that rarely is an issue.
 Ohh okay
 I understand
 Thanks for the help
[23:58] <mmikowski> @PJtunes No worries. Best of luck!