[00:53] <arraybolt3> !ping
[00:53] <arraybolt3> (Testing to make sure Internet slowdowns aren't blocking IRC, thanks for your patience)
[01:01] <eam> how do I resize a window to be larger than my screen?
[01:01] <eam> I need to make firefox about three times taller than my screen
[01:04] <arraybolt3> eam: Can you unmaximize it, then drag it to the bottom of the screen, resize it up taller, drag the window down, resize it taller, etc.?
[01:05] <arraybolt3> Or do you need the top to be off the screen?
[01:05] <eam> oh fantastic, I think I can. I've been playing with firefox --height but it doesn't seem to work right
[01:07] <arraybolt3> Yeah, looks like GNOME will let windows go off the bottom of the screen, but not the top. But if that does what you need, great!
[01:08] <eam> I'm trying to work around this bug: https://github.com/mozilla-services/screenshots/issues/2830 and ... I think I just did by making a super tall firefox window lol
[01:08] <eam> I was this close to going back to an older window manager which I knew the rules of, haha
[01:15] <JerOfPanic> hi
[01:57] <orxiuer> hello, where are you from?
[01:58] <orxiuer> anybody
[01:58] <lotuspsychje> !chat | orxieur
[04:58] <blackhawk> I have a 'mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0' error, how to debug ?
[05:01] <murmel> blackhawk: does your cdrom drive have a disc inside?
[05:03] <blackhawk> yes it does
[05:04] <murmel> can it also read the disc (as in capable of it?)
[05:04] <arraybolt3> blackhawk: Are you able to access this disk with other software?
[05:04] <arraybolt3> And can other computers read it?
[05:04] <blackhawk> I don't have other software on ubuntu
[05:04] <blackhawk> Yes other computers could read it
[05:05] <arraybolt3> blackhawk: I mean, can you open the disk using Files? Without using the mount command?
[05:05] <blackhawk> No files can't open it
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Do other disks work?
[05:05] <arraybolt3> I'm suspecting a problem with either your disk or your disk drive.
[05:05] <blackhawk> Yes the part 2 of the same disc series worked
[05:06] <arraybolt3> (And I suspect murmel is too.)
[05:06] <arraybolt3> blackhawk: Check the disk for scratches, then.
[05:06] <blackhawk> murmel ?
[05:06] <murmel> yes?
[05:06] <arraybolt3> You may also need to just wait. (murmel is the other person who's talking to you. There's two of us here.)
[05:06] <arraybolt3> (I've seen some disks take loooooong before they finally showed up.)
[05:07] <blackhawk> okay I understand
[05:07] <murmel> yeah especially with scratches
[05:07] <arraybolt3> (Like, I plugged the disk in, and waited, and waited, and waited, and then finally a pop-up appeared indicating that the disk was recognized. It was one seriously scratched up disk if I remember correctly.)
[05:07] <blackhawk> I can send a pic of the disc with imgur.. plz wait
[05:07] <murmel> I remember havind disks taking up to 2-3 mins (that was back in the day on windows because of scratches)
[05:10] <blackhawk> https://imgur.com/a/hBIU5oY
[05:11] <blackhawk> as you have mentioned now, I do suspect a scratch
[05:11] <murmel> try to clean it and try again
[05:11] <murmel> (i used always my shirt, but probably not a good idea)
[05:12] <blackhawk> I have a clenaing spray and special cloth, i'll use that
[05:12] <blackhawk> but in the picture close to the center rims, I see something like a major crack
[05:13] <murmel> yeah I didn't see that. hopefully it doesn't make the disc unreadable
[05:14] <blackhawk> The disc drive has a button to eject but it doesn't when I push the button, have to poke the manual eject hole evrytime
[05:15] <blackhawk> its GTA 4 cd so I hope it's readable
[05:15] <murmel> blackhawk: hm, most of the time i was able to just push the eject button for like 10 secs or so, and then it was opening the tray
[05:17] <blackhawk> 10 s ? That's kinda long imo
[05:17] <murmel> i am 100% sure, but I thought the same back in the day
[05:17] <murmel> eh I meant i am not 100% sure
[05:18] <blackhawk> wow now my whole system got unresponsive, what was the shortcut for those scenarios ?
[05:18] <blackhawk> shortcut combination ?
[05:20] <murmel> alt + sysrq + REISUB
[05:22] <blackhawk> thank you
[05:29] <murmel> blackhawk: if you can, maybe make sure that a different pc/device can read the cd
[05:30] <blackhawk> a'right let me try another laptop
[05:31] <murmel> blackhawk: im gone for a bit, but will be back in 15
[05:32] <blackhawk> okay
[05:42] <bingoJACKPOT> Anyone experiencing i/o errors related to memory bottlenecks or VM guest usage? I've got this weird shit problem with extreme input lag from keyboard strokes. I only halfway fixed it by installing an accessibility program which I think was designed for KDE ... but it's working somewhat ...
[05:53] <murmel> bingoJACKPOT: how much ram do you give the vm?
[05:58] <murmel> blackhawk: got results?
[05:59] <blackhawk> well it could see that the disc is a 7.00 gb volume but can't load the contents entirely
[05:59] <blackhawk> I am still trying ejecting and trying multiple times
[06:01] <murmel> blackhawk: oh doesn't sound good
[06:01] <blackhawk> yeah fingers crossed now, will try few more times
[06:03] <blackhawk> But looks like my ubuntu laptop dvd drive is also not in the best of conditions. Any way to run some diagnostic test for it ?
[06:03] <murmel> blackhawk: not that I know of. the last time I used a cd was probably over a decade ago
[06:05] <avih> you should try to make an iso image of it, or find some other source for such image. otherwise, even if not today, it will stop working at some stage.
[06:05] <blackhawk> right
[06:06] <murmel> 08:03 < blackhawk> But looks like my ubuntu laptop dvd drive is also not in the best of conditions. Any way to run some diagnostic test for it ?
[06:06] <murmel> 08:03 < blackhawk> But looks like my ubuntu laptop dvd drive is also not in the best of conditions. Any way to run some diagnostic test for it ?
[06:06] <murmel> argh sorry
[06:06] <avih> (and disc drives are also a rarity these days)
[06:06] <murmel> avih: idk, I can buy them where I live quite normally (they are usb though)
[06:06] <blackhawk> yeah sure they are, these laptops are from early 2000s
[06:07] <avih> murmel: sure, but what percentage of pc users have them in your opinion?
[06:07] <murmel> avih: at least in my circle roughly 50%? it's for the emergency case ;)
[06:08] <avih> exactly, so in "normal" circles it's much closer to 0% :)
[06:08] <avih> siply because new systems don't have them. you need to buy them separately these days.
[06:08] <murmel> honestly no idea :)
[06:09] <murmel> but very likely
[06:09] <murmel> yeah sadly enough. I am really debating into buying myself a blu-ray burner/player, as I am more of a physical disc guy
[06:09] <avih> (i still have one too, in a 10 years old laptop, but that's the only one i have, and i haven't tried using it in years)
[06:10] <oski146> i need help with an python makefile
[06:10] <murmel> oski146: very likely the wrong channel
[06:10] <avih> (it's entirely possible it's broken by now)
[06:10] <oski146> ok sorry.. so i need to use another program?
[06:10] <oski146> iam new to python
[06:10] <murmel> avih: idk, how you treat your stuff, but I still have cdroms which should work (even with a bad storage area)
[06:11] <avih> same, except i haven't tried any of them in years :)
[06:11] <avih> have you? :)
[06:11] <murmel> oski146: depending on what you want to ask, maybe it is the channel you want to be in or not
[06:11] <murmel> avih: nah, but idc anymore, as they are self burned stuff which I don't need anymore
[06:11] <oski146> i need the program coverfetcher but its in python2 and i get a error at make
[06:12] <murmel> but I still have them as they are quite a lot of them :/. guess I need to get myself some torchburner or so
[06:12] <oski146> so can ypou give me a channel?
[06:12] <murmel> oski146: do you know which python versions are supported
[06:12] <oski146> its in python 2
[06:12] <avih> oerheks: you should ask at the bug tracker of the program you're trying to build. they'd likely need to update to support python 3
[06:13] <oski146> ok is python2 deprecated?
[06:13] <avih> yes
[06:13] <murmel> avih: very unlikely that that will happen if they still are on 2
[06:13] <oski146> ook so i need to uninstall python2 ...sad
[06:13] <murmel> oski146: deprecated for 12 years now? or so
[06:14] <avih> murmel: it depends. worth a shot
[06:14] <murmel> last release was 2011 xD
[06:14] <murmel> i guess worth a shot (not)
[06:15] <oski146> ...
[06:15] <murmel> oski146: did you look into other programs?
[06:15] <murmel> I fetch my covers with musicbrainz
[06:17] <oski146> i did not find any good cover fetching program for kde
[06:18] <oski146> k3b dont download covers and kid3 dont do it too the servers down i think
[06:18] <murmel> oski146: most people I know use musicbrainz picard as it's a tagger + cover download + integration
[06:18] <oski146> ok thanks i look into it :)
[06:19] <murmel> and cover integration is with amazon+spotify+other streaming services. can't remember fully the others
[06:21] <oski146> in kid 3 the amazon integration and musicbrainz dont work
[06:21] <murmel> how come? (you need to activate it in picard)
[06:21] <oski146> discogs not  wirking  too
[06:22] <oski146> i mean in kid3 sorryfor misunderstanding
[06:22] <murmel> ahh
[06:22] <oski146> how is the package called for musicbrainz picard?
[06:23] <murmel> oski146: picard
[06:23] <oski146> thanks
[06:24] <oski146> then i can remove kid3 if this is working
[06:24] <murmel> oski146: good luck, need to afk for another 30-40 mins
[06:26] <oski146> np thx
[06:58] <murmel> oski146: and does it work?
[07:07] <ice9> "Ubuntu" in the gdm session login is on Xorg right? when I chose it, it just display a black screen and I have to restart gdm from another TTY; only Wayland works
[07:08] <murmel> ice9: ubuntu is wayland, ubuntu on Xorg is xorg
[07:08] <ice9> murmel, I only have "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu on Wayland"
[07:09] <murmel> ice9: nvidia?
[07:09] <ice9> murmel, yeah
[07:09] <murmel> ahh so for nvidia it seems to be reversed then (no idea never had nvidia)
[07:12] <murmel> ice9: did you try a new user?
[07:12] <ice9> murmel, no, I will
[07:30] <xatrix> Hi,can you advice, i've installed amdgpu from "https://repo.radeon.com/amdgpu/22.20/ubuntu jammy main"
[07:30] <xatrix> But it seems that i still using software rendering. How can i change it ?
[07:30] <murmel> xatrix: is there a reason why you want/need the pro driver?
[07:31] <xatrix> https://pastebin.com/nVmjgpJm
[07:31] <ice9> murmel, I tried with fresh user but didn't work too
[07:32] <murmel> ice9: i assume you have the nvidia driver instaled?
[07:32] <ice9> murmel, yes and used as primary driver
[07:33] <murmel> ice9: does the Xorg log say something? (/var/log/)
[07:33] <murmel> xatrix: without more info nobody can really help you, i mean which release do you even use? as no ubuntu release has the devel version of mesa (afaik)
[07:34] <ice9> murmel, I have no xorg log files at all in /var/log; I just upgraded nvidia driver and will reboot
[08:13] <iomari891> why am I getting "xdpyinfo:  unable to open display ":0.0"" on a server that has no X11?
[08:18] <ice99> murmel, still same issue after using the latest nvida driver
[09:01] <bparker> When I boot the 22.04 installer and select Japanese language, the window grows larger than the screen and the buttons at the bottom are no longer accessible. How do I fix this?
[09:02] <rbasak> That sounds like a bug :-(
[09:08] <alkisg> Similar things happen with release-upgrader, if one clicks "details", the embedded terminal shows; then the [ok/next] buttons are off screen, no way to click them anymore
[09:08] <murmel> alkisg: you can move the window with clicking alt + left click drag
[09:08] <alkisg> Even if one clicks details again to hide the terminal. ALLOW the resize button people, gtk doesn't work properly without it!
[09:08] <alkisg> murmel: unfortunately not when you're viewing over vnc
[09:09] <rbasak> That sounds like another bug.
[09:09] <rbasak> Please do ensure that bug reports exist for these kinds of things!
[09:09] <murmel> alkisg: would you even see the resize button?
[09:09] <rbasak> That's the only way developers find out about them.
[09:09] <alkisg> murmel: yes, it would be on the taskbar
[09:10] <alkisg> rbasak: sure, I've been filing hundreds of bugs in launchpad even if I get feedback in just like 10% of them ;)
[09:13] <rbasak> Thanks. Unfortunately a bug report is just the first step. They also need to be bubbled up by importance somehow.
[09:14] <alkisg> Yeh, I understand, I'm a developer too. It would be great if we could recommend to the users "file debian bugs to debian, and upstream bugs upstream", it would get rid of a huge amount of unanswered launchpad bugs
[09:15] <alkisg> Then ubuntu developers could focus on ubuntu bugs, without having to search for them between thousands of bugs
[09:19] <JvI_home> Hi, droppping in, hoping to get some support for an issue with the Firefox snap. Recently upgraded my desktop (18.04 -> 20.04 -> 22.04) and was confronted with Firefox only being available as a snap.
[09:20] <JvI_home> I keep my browser open all the time and really like how reliable FF handles restoring a previous session, eg on updates or reboots. I often have tens of browser tabs.
[09:21] <JvI_home> This is broken with the snap, though - since my upgrade, it already happened twice that Firefox snap was updated and a restart was forced
[09:21] <JvI_home> ...and after that restart, I could not restore the previous session.
[09:21] <JvI_home> Is this a known issue? Any hints what I can do to troubleshoot?
[09:27] <ogra> JvI_home, you sjhould get a notifiction that asks you to close the browser ... it does that for two weeks before doing the actual update ... didyou not get this ?
[09:28] <JvI_home> ogra: I did restart the browser in the last two weeks
[09:28] <JvI_home> and with that restart, it restored my session just fine
[09:28] <ogra> JvI_home, well, you should run "snap refresh" while it is closed
[09:28] <ogra> (after you have seen the notification)
[09:29] <JvI_home> I *think* I did that as well, but not 100% sure (there's probably no way to verify that in any log, is there?)
[09:29] <ogra> there is work going on to automate this, but currently you need to manually run the refresh
[09:29] <ogra> "snap changes" and "snap change <change id>" can show you more info
[09:31] <JvI_home> OK, "snap changes" shows two change IDs (132 & 133), the first being 6 days ago, the second is this morning and contains the forced Firefox update
[09:33] <ogra> JvI_home, then you probably hit an actual firefox bug that is unrelated to updates
[09:34] <ogra> err... ignore that i can not read 😛
[09:41] <vlm> is there a way or program that can compress files while also make a list of whats compressed so later can sort of continue a job again? I know with tar i could probably get a list with running tar another time and list files in already compressed archives and dump to a file and use it as exclude file for a later tar job any other method?
[09:42] <ogra> use the -v option for tar and it prints the filenames while it compresses
[09:42] <vlm> ogra that would work didnt think of it thanks
[10:32] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> ok how tf does this shit work?
[10:32] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> bare bones minimum i c
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> !ask
[10:33] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> where is everyone from how does 1 find out
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> !chat
[10:33] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> huh?
[10:33] <oerheks> do you have an ubuntu support issue?
[10:34] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> nope i judt downloaded this. i thought it was like a chatroom to chat with people near and far didnt know it was support chat
[10:35] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> my bad dully noted this is support chat only thanks for the heads up
[10:35] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> any recomendations b4 i leave
[10:36] <oerheks> there is !alis to find chatrooms
[10:36] <oerheks> !alis
[10:36] <ogra> enc4ypt3d_r34p3r, if you just want to chat, go to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[10:37] <oerheks> some need registering with #libera
[10:37] <ogra> right, ou might need to register your user name first
[10:38] <enc4ypt3d_r34p3r> im still new to linux so idk what you guys are all talking about i knw i knw pain noob
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:16] <oerheks> i was testing https://snapcraft.io/electron-youtube-downloader but my playlists did not work; tip: set them on public, not private..
[12:20] <ogra> oerheks, https://github.com/N1sek/ElectronYoutubeDownloader/issues ... file a bug ;)
[12:20] <oerheks> no, it is not a bug. i assume.
[12:24] <nickzxcv> are there no legacy image builds for 20.04.5, like netboot.tar.gz ?
[12:28] <oerheks> nickzxcv, no https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[12:36] <linsux> my ubuntu is broken, again
[12:36] <linsux> lightdm failed to start
[12:36] <linsux> sddm failed to login to cinnamon session. return right back to the login menu
[12:36] <linsux> don't know wth going on
[12:39] <zaggynl> linsux: sorry to hear that, what do the logs say?
[12:41] <protektwar> @linsux check kernel logs
[12:42] <protektwar> check also crash folder /var/crash
[12:49] <nickzxcv> oerheks: i've been using http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
[12:49] <nickzxcv> because we have a bunch of preseed automation for disk encryption and setting up bonding and stuff
[12:50] <oerheks> preseeding has been dropped in later versions, it is all cloudinit now
[12:51] <nickzxcv> for later versions of 20.04 like 20.04.5, or only after 20.04?
[12:52] <nickzxcv> the kernel in that build of netboot.tar.gz has a bug with our new intel x710 NICs it seems like
[12:52] <nickzxcv> the i40e module loads and tries to setup the network interfaces but it fails
[12:52] <nickzxcv> i got the iso installer of 20.04.5 to pxe boot, that kernel works fine
[12:53] <nickzxcv> but its the new installer like you mention...
[12:59] <linsux> i'm changing distro
[12:59] <linsux> i can't afford down time
[13:00] <ravage> so you change reality
[13:00] <ravage> good luck :)
[13:00] <linsux> ubuntu is not stable
[13:00] <ogra> heh
[13:01] <ogra> tens of millions of people would probably disagree 🙂
[13:01] <ravage> sometimes it matter how you use something. just saying :)
[13:01] <ogra> linsux, what did you do to it to make it unstable ?
[13:01] <linsux> i did apt update;apt upgrade to make it unstable
[13:02] <ogra> nickzxcv, debian-instaler (and thus preseed support) hasbeen dropped *before* 20.04 ...
[13:02] <ogra> *has been
[13:02] <linsux> where do i check the log?
[13:03] <ogra> either with journalctl or by reading /var/lg/syslog
[13:03] <ogra> */var/log/syslog
[13:03] <linsux> amduntu kernel: [   79.790036] traps: slick-greeter[4124] trap int3 ip:7fe02187f427 sp:7ffc5e8274f0 error:0 in libglib-2.0.so.0.7200.1[7fe02183e000+8f000]
[13:03] <linsux> does this mean anything?
[13:04] <ogra> linsux, you talked about sddm and lightdm above ... neither of them are in a default ubuntu install ... so you must have changed something (or be using a flavour that uses either of them)
[13:04] <ogra> ... that is ... beyond just doing an update/upgrade
[13:04] <linsux> i couldn't start lightdm, so i tried sddm
[13:04] <linsux> it's cinnamon
[13:05] <ogra> ah, so not ubuntu itself but a community flavour ... and a package secific for that flavour fails ...
[13:05] <ogra> *specific
[13:05]  * ogra needs a new laptop keyboard 😞
[13:07] <ogra> looks like cinnamon isnt even an official flavour yet https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[13:08] <oerheks> reinstall your mint :-D
[13:09] <ogra> haha
[13:12] <linsux> i used lxdm, and i can login now
[13:12] <linsux> it's not my computer so i'll leave it for now
[13:12] <linsux> shitty ubuntu
[13:14] <ogra> linsux, geez ... do you curse your car manufacturer too afer you replaced parts of the engine without knowing what you do when the engine then does not start anymore ? you are messing up your system with explicit incompatible packages and blame us for it ???
[13:14] <linsux> failed to wake up from laptop? "All kernels do that.", cinnamon? "not official flavour". always excuses stand by
[13:14] <linsux> lol
[13:14] <linsux> i usually trade in
[13:15] <ogra> so you sem to have installed every possible login manager in the archive (of which only exactly *one* can run at the same time) and wonder if they clash ?
[13:15] <ogra> *seem
[13:19] <ravage> he is not interested in a solution so i suggest to do further rambling in #ubuntu-offtopic or .. offline
[13:34] <JvI_home> I'm trying to go back from the firefox snap to firefox-esr from mozilla ppa. However, firefox-esr doesn't want to load the profile that the snap used, as the snap is a newer version. Any way around that?
[13:35] <ogra> use the firefox-esr snap instead ?
[13:39] <ogra> (we do (and can) not support PPAs in here .... if you keep using the PPA you have to ask the PPA owners)
[13:43] <JvI_home> ogra: if I install the firefox-esr snap, would that be able to read/open/use the firefox snap profile then?
[14:06] <ogra> JvI_home, the generic FF snap and the ESR FF snap use the same location for storing the profiles ... so if you did not remove the FF snap and just switch to the esr channel it should simply use whats there already
[14:07] <ogra> JvI_home, if you alread removed the snap, ake a look at "snap saved" to see if a backup of the user data for FF still exists ... you can then restore it with "snap restore" (see snap help for details) to get your data back
[14:28] <JvI_home> ogra: thanks for the hints. What I tried was simply copying the profiles from the firefox snap to the location where the esr version expects them, but the esr version will not open them, as it detects that they were written by a newer version
[15:09] <hawk> I've seen multiple Ubuntu 20.04 hosts have weird ideas of what do do for a dist-upgrade today (wanting to remove lots of stuff, example: https://pastebin.com/raw/tztEuqmY )... is there some known problem and/or how does one track down the source of the sudden desire to remove all this stuff?
[15:11] <hawk> Uhm, sorry. Multiple 22.04 hosts that is, I mixed things up.
[15:24] <ogra> hawk, did you "apt update" first ? there was a big archive and launchpad outage last night this is probably fallout of apt not being able to fully update the package database
[15:24] <oerheks> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 108 to remove and 20 not upgraded. ...
[15:24] <hawk> ogra: I did, yes
[15:27] <sapiev> hello&
[15:27] <sapiev> hello?
[15:27] <ogra> hawk, how did you install this system in the first place ... most of these "REMOVED" packages should not be autoremovable at all
[15:28] <ogra> (apt explicitly tags them to not be autoremovable when run from the installer)
[15:28] <oerheks> ogra, i see python3.10 update pending too, i had to kill snapstore again..
[15:29] <oerheks> weird
[15:29] <ogra> well, snapstore shouldnt have any effect on apt upgrades
[15:29] <oerheks> and next update restart request..
[15:29] <oerheks> brb
[15:31] <hawk> ogra: It's a vm that I think was originally installed from the 20.04 iso and later upgraded to 22.04 with the usual do-release-upgrade process. To my knowledge nothing weird has been going on with it until today.
[15:33] <hawk> ogra: And yeah, it also wants to immediately remove a lot of stuff in addition to what it suggests to autoremove.
[15:34] <ogra> what is -u supposed to do ? it doesnt seem to be a valid option (according to the manpage)
[15:35] <hawk> ogra: Removing -u does not change the change it wants to do
[15:36] <ogra> yeah, i was just wondering what its purpose was
[15:36] <ogra> are you using a mirror or the main archive ?
[15:36] <ogra> perhaps the outage messed up a mirror ?
[15:37] <hawk> The -u is an ancient habit, I'm honestly not sure anymore. Maybe it doesn't do anything these days
[15:38] <hawk> This is with se.archive.ubuntu.com, I can try switching to something else
[15:38] <ogra> yeah, try just archive.u.c for a test
[15:40] <hawk> ogra: Ok, changed that + apt update, but dist-upgrade wants to do the same thing
[15:40] <ogra> wow, gross
[15:40] <ogra> are any of the packages listed as held back showing as "phased" ?
[15:40] <ogra> (check with apt policy <pckagename>)
[15:40] <ogra> +a
[15:41] <hawk> yes, I did not check all but I just checked a couple and they were, eg systemd: 249.11-0ubuntu3.6 500 (phased 10%)
[15:43] <ogra> hawk, perhaps go to #ubuntu-devel and talk to juliank (apt maintainer) ... and show hom the paste from above
[15:43] <ogra> *him
[15:43] <ogra> i'm pretty sure phasing is not expected to remove your whole server OS stack
[15:44] <hawk> I mean, it's generally not the preferred result ;)
[15:44] <hawk> Sure, I'll do that
[15:47] <hawk> ogra: Thanks, let's see what juliank thinks
[15:55] <oski146> its not working i switched to windows 11 in the vm to create with media player legacy( windows media player 11)
[15:55] <oski146> @murmel
[16:02] <hawk> ogra: Fwiw, I dug out an old man page and -u used to be --show-upgraded which I'm pretty sure is the default behavior these days (and there is only a --no-show-upgraded now)
[16:03] <ogra> ah !
[16:03] <ogra> thanks for looking that up !
[16:35] <adac> Guys how can I lock a package with snap?
[16:35] <ogra> lock ?
[16:38] <ioria> adac, you can keep different versions
[16:39] <adac> ogra, so that a package does not get upgraded
[16:39] <ogra> adac, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date
[16:39] <adac> stays on a certain version
[16:39] <adac> ioria, how do you mean?
[16:40] <ogra> you can not lock them completely, but you can hold them back from upgrading for 60days so they fit your maintenance window and you have time to test the upgrade
[16:40] <ogra> see the url above for scheduling mechanisms
[16:41] <ioria> also look 'retain'
[16:48] <adac> alright thanks!
[17:35] <tom> anyone know the command to make a 1 frame per second video from a mp4 file?
[17:35] <tom> on ffmpeg
[17:35] <Guest798> test
[17:36] <oerheks> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/ChangingFrameRate
[17:37] <oerheks> maybe works for mp4 too
[17:42] <jhutchins> Guest798: Just go straight to production.
[17:43] <jhutchins> Guest798: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[17:44] <Guest798> ty
[17:53] <eelstrebor> since upgrading to ubuntu 22.04, i've been getting a lot of packages being held back when i run apt update. why is that? it happens on all my computers
[17:54] <oerheks> that is due to phazed updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[17:55] <oerheks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[18:06] <Mister_X> hello guys
[18:06] <Mister_X> I have an issue, after an update of 22.04 (x86 64 bit), it doesn't boot in graphical mode anymore, and I just get a terminal
[18:07] <Mister_X> I've tried nomodeset, but this is a VM, so it didn't do anything
[18:07] <Mister_X> I checked systemctl get-default, and it is graphical.target
[18:07] <Mister_X> I've tried to start gdm3 manually via systemctl, it just doesn't do anything
[18:08] <Mister_X> no error, no gui
[18:08] <Mister_X> the logs don't seem to indicate why it didn't work, unless I didn't search properly, and I'd love pointers for what to search for
[18:10] <Mister_X> any idea what's going on and how to fix it?
[18:13] <ikonia> oerheks: I'd not seen that, that's very odd approach 'we are not confident we can release stable software so I'll build up pushing it out until someone complains'
[18:13] <ikonia> oerheks: thank you for sharing
[18:16] <sarnold> Mister_X: systemctl list-units --failed  ?
[18:19] <Mister_X> sarnold: just a custom one I made, that I haven't bothered fixing (it's been failing for a while): some iptables rules
[18:19] <sarnold> hmm, bummer :(
[18:20] <sarnold> Mister_X: how about systemctl get-target?
[18:21] <Mister_X> Unknown commad verb get-target
[18:21] <Mister_X> Did you mean get-default?
[18:21] <sarnold> argh
[18:21] <sarnold> yeah
[18:21] <sarnold> sorry :) heh
[18:21] <Mister_X> that's graphical.target
[18:22] <sarnold> okay, so it should *try*, anyway
[18:22] <Mister_X> I even tried to start manually gdm3
[18:22] <Mister_X> systemctl start gdm3
[18:22] <Mister_X> no output
[18:22] <Mister_X> nothing happens
[18:22] <sarnold> journalctl?
[18:23] <ogra> nothing in the jounral ?
[18:23] <ogra> ah, seth beats me 🙂
[18:23] <Mister_X> well, a few things can't start because there is no gui
[18:24] <Mister_X> obviously
[18:24] <Mister_X> but nothing special other than that that I can notice
[18:24] <ogra> about gdm indeed from your attempt to start it
[18:24] <Mister_X> and there is no unusual output after manually starting gdm3
[18:26] <Mister_X> the output in journalct is that it indicates my command to start gdm3, followed by pam_unix (session opened, session closed)
[18:26] <Mister_X> that's it
[18:27] <ogra> what kind of VM is that and what graphics card does it emulate (does it have GL/GLES support for wayland ?)
[18:28] <Mister_X> KVM, whatever it uses as default
[18:28] <Mister_X> Red Hat virtio GPU
[18:30] <ikonia> that has no extesions
[18:30] <ogra> yeah, you'd want virgl i think
[18:30] <ikonia> it's the most effecient/dumbest video driver
[18:31] <Mister_X> ogra: it had been working fine before, and I have other 22.04 VM
[18:31] <ikonia> that's surprising unless it's falling back
[18:32] <sarnold> hmm, unix opening and closing the session quickly.. I wonder if your graphical session is set to run and then close again quickly? I've seen folks do that accidentally before, eg they put stuff in ~/.xsession without having a long-lived process in it..
[18:33] <Mister_X> I had a GUI, and all I did was run an update and including updating snaps
[18:33] <Mister_X> then rebooted
[18:33] <Mister_X> I've never touched xsession
[18:34] <Mister_X> I don't even have have that file in my home
[18:35] <ogra> does the install use autologin ?
[18:35] <ogra> i.e. does gmd even try to spawn a session ?
[18:35] <ogra> *gdm
[18:35] <Mister_X> how would I check that?
[18:36] <Mister_X> the screen isn't even flashing when I try to start it
[18:36] <ogra> well, how did you use it before ... was a user automatically logged into the session on startup or did they have to type in a password in gdm
[18:36] <Mister_X> it just booted to gdm
[18:36] <Mister_X> login/password
[18:36] <ogra> then the pam message is from the gdm user ...
[18:37] <ogra> grep gdm /etc/passwd
[18:37] <ogra> does that return anything ?
[18:38] <Mister_X> yes, at the end of the line: "/var/lib/gdm3:/bin/false"
[18:38] <ogra> that looks fine
[18:38] <oerheks> ikonia, i think of it as an extra step between proposed and update, one can disable this lock with Always=true https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345/26
[18:39] <ogra> Mister_X, does "apt -f install" do anything or "dpkg-reconfigure -a" ?
[18:40] <sarnold> oh, good idea
[18:41] <Mister_X> -a is not an option for dpkg-reconfigure
[18:41] <Mister_X> no, it doesn't do anything
[18:41] <Mister_X> I always do my updates with dist-upgrade
[18:41] <Mister_X> (neither command do anything)
[18:42] <ogra> well, you did a do-release-upgrade to go from 20.04 to 22.04 or didnt you ?
[18:42] <Mister_X> a month or two ago
[18:42] <sarnold> heh, I can't ever remember if it's dpkg-reconfigure -a or dpkg --configure -a  -- I'm glad ot know I'm not the only one ;)
[18:42] <Mister_X> but I've done a number of updates like I just did in the meantime
[18:43] <Mister_X> I do updates once a day, or before I use the VM
[18:43] <ogra> hah, yeah, the former was dropped in 2016 it seems ... in favor of the latter
[18:44] <ogra> Mister_X, OH ! so it worked well with 22.04 before ?
[18:44] <Mister_X> yes
[18:44]  * ogra read above "update *to* 22.04" ... but that wasnt even what you wrote 😛
[18:44] <Mister_X> it just that this just one update broke it
[18:46] <sarnold> you could go through /var/log/apt/history.log and try downgrading packages that were recently updated.. downgrades aren't guaranteed to be safe but it usually works okay
[18:46] <Mister_X> I mean I did upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 a month ago, and I also regularly update my system (daily or whenever I use the VM)
[18:47] <ogra> right ... i just completely mis-read your first message when you asked
[18:47] <Mister_X> sarnold: and what packages should I downgrade?
[18:47] <sarnold> Mister_X: whatever you recently upgraded :)
[18:47] <ogra> i'd also take a look at /var/log/apt/term.log, perhaps there were errors you missed
[18:47] <Mister_X> no idea what it was, apt autoclean did clean it up I believe
[18:48] <ogra> (thre was quite a big datacenter outage yeserday ... if you won the lottery and did the update exactly at the time of that, who knows what happened ... (the archive was down)
[18:50] <Mister_X> ogra: good point, and actually there is one odd thing
[18:50] <Mister_X> gnome-shell: dependency problem, but removing anyway as you requested
[18:51] <ogra> wow
[18:51] <Mister_X> network-manager-gnome depends on gnome-shell | policykit-1-gnome | polkit-1-aut-agent; however ...
[18:51] <Mister_X> package dependency snafu?
[18:51] <ogra> well, did it actually remove gnome-shell ?
[18:52] <ogra> that would be serious
[18:52] <Mister_X> still there
[18:53] <Mister_X> it actually seems it removed it, but I may have reinstalled it later (I had a bunch of packages that were kept back)
[18:54] <Mister_X> no, unless it was a dependency of one of these kept-back packages
[18:55] <sarnold> ogra: hah, I poked the archive a few times and it seemed up through the whole mess :)
[18:55] <ogra> oh, really ?
[18:55] <ogra> i thought i saw it down in the status.canonical.com page
[18:56] <ogra> (i didnt try updates myself though)
[19:17] <xdroid> lubonto 16 lol great one
[19:34] <blahboybaz> I'm getting an error when doing $ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade  and failing to install. I had received a message about low disk space on /boot (something I have had to deal with before) and attempted to resolve that issue before running the update. After the update failed I also tried to resolve the low disk space issue again by attempting to manually remove a kernel (which also resulted in an
[19:34] <blahboybaz> error). I don't know what the errir is - specifically - and something seems fishy here (more than just low disk space). I don't know how to dig into / resolve the issue since I am not really big into sysadmin (I just deal with issues as best I can when they arise so I can go back to using the system). Here is a paste but the info shown there may be out of order and history does not seem to contain all
[19:34] <blahboybaz> what I know I did before comeing here. As far as I can recall I ran sudo apt autoremove first then sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade (error encountered) ran dpkg -l linux-image-\* | grep ^ii but ended up removing a kernel not shown in its output after that (I was looking at/using the version numbers seen in the output of ls -al /boot (encountered error again during this attempt to manually remove a
[19:35] <blahboybaz> kernel). This is the point I created a paste: https://pastebin.com/WGPfhp7Z  and came here to this channel. Paste: https://pastebin.com/WGPfhp7Z
[19:35] <blahboybaz> How do I identify the correct problem (the right problem as apposed to guessing) and resolve it?
[19:40] <sarnold> hey blahboybaz, give me a second..
[19:40] <blahboybaz> thanks sarnold
[19:43] <sarnold> blahboybaz: try sudo truncate -s0 /boot/vmlinuz-5.11.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-41-generic  ; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:44] <blahboybaz> sarnold: one moment..
[19:45] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Running the supplied command seems to have completed without errors (no errors indicated in output)
[19:46] <blahboybaz> sarnold: My boot partition is smaller (less used space  77% now wheras it was 81% before)
[19:46] <sarnold> blahboybaz: good good :D
[19:47] <blahboybaz> So I'm good?
[19:49] <blahboybaz> sarnold: At one point there was output indicating an incomplete install (before running the command you supplied).. should that be addresed or should I believe it is dealt with?
[19:49] <sarnold> blahboybaz: well, for now.. I have a vague memory that there might be a file somewhere to configure how many kernels to keep, and it might be possible to keep only three.. but I'm having trouble finding it. and i'm not sure it exists.
[19:49] <sarnold> blahboybaz: hmm. it's possible. try this: sudo apt install -f
[19:50] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I get..
[19:50] <blahboybaz> ge lists... Done
[19:50] <blahboybaz> Building dependency tree
[19:50] <blahboybaz> Reading state information... Done
[19:50] <blahboybaz> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:50] <sarnold> yay :)
[19:50] <blahboybaz> Which seems to me like its fine?
[19:51] <elwisp> I got the following error doing dist-upgrade. Not sure how to resolve it smoothly
[19:51] <elwisp> libgirepository-1.0-1 : Breaks: python3-gi (< 3.42.0-1+b1) but 3.40.1-1build1 is to be installed
[19:55] <sarnold> blahboybaz: yeah, that message is fine.. but it looks like the kernel "keep this many" mechanism has been drastically changed in 20.04 and newer, what I used to know isn't relevant on newer systems. heh.
[19:55] <sarnold> elwisp: none of this makes sense to me, maybe it makes sense to you? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1011463
[19:56] <elwisp> hmm, so removing python-gi is likely the solution
[19:57] <Guest798> yo
[19:58] <elwisp> yikes, running remove takes out a lot of stuff and installs a lot of stuff
[19:59] <explodes> Using apt upgrade I see: "The following packages have been kept back" what does this mean and exactly why is it happening? Never had seen this before
[19:59] <sarnold> explodes: this describes it a bit https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345/
[20:01] <elwisp> maybe i should run do-release-upgrade instead?
[20:01] <explodes> Oh hmm
[20:01] <explodes> Thank you
[20:05] <sarnold> elwisp: probably do-release-upgrade will do better in general than a dist-upgrade between releases, but I can't promise it'll help this specific pacakge
[20:05] <elwisp> sarnold: this was just minor release upgrade so do-release did not help unfortunately. I wonder if this is due do some 3rd party ppa
[20:06] <sarnold> elwisp: ah, okay; some folks like dist-upgrade from debian and it doesn't always go great on ubuntu..
[20:07] <elwisp> https://pastebin.com/rfV9gbsG
[20:07] <elwisp> Removing looks kind of risky. Not sure what the consequenses of that owuld be
[20:08] <sarnold> that looks like it's going to be a very unhappy system
[20:09] <elwisp> yeah, removing libgirepository-1.0-1 looks even worse
[20:12] <ogra> never ever do a release upgrade via dist-upgrade
[20:13] <elwisp> ogra: i really only ran apt update && apt upgrade
[20:13] <ogra> this will definitely end in tears ... do-release-upgrade does a lot more stuff to make sure package transitions happen properly, config transitions to new versions work etc etc
[20:13] <elwisp> rebooted and now i got some packages held back so i run the dist-upgrade, it does not work
[20:13] <elwisp> i was already on jammy. But i guess it was a minor upgrade. Should that one also be done with do-release-upgrade?
[20:13] <ravage> held back packages can be totally fine. see link above
[20:14] <ogra> elwisp, well, your "should i run do-release-update" was kind of confusing 🙂
[20:14] <imi> hi, I have a  .wh..wh.plnk folder. most probably overlayfs related. What does it contain?
[20:15] <ogra> elwisp, no, only use that command for release to release upgrades ... not for package updates
[20:15] <ogra> elwisp, "apt full-upgrade" is what you should use for keeping your system up to date
[20:15] <imi> it contains weird files
[20:16] <elwisp> ravage: my bad, its not held back its marked for installed, but the dependency conflict kills the upgrade
[20:16] <elwisp> i tried apt full-upgrade as well, it did not work
[20:16] <ogra> well, it is the right command at least 🙂
[20:17] <ogra> elwisp, did you add any third party repositories tha are not default ubuntu ?
[20:17] <elwisp> hmm, what about this: https://pastebin.com/RnQcPfjJ
[20:18] <elwisp> ogra: i do have signal, riot and some hp repo. Grafana as well. But i have removed them all except riot. But i cant trace these packages back to any of those repos
[20:20] <elwisp> https://pastebin.com/b41Sr2w6
[20:21] <elwisp> the candidate is 3.42.1-0ubuntu1 but it says the current version which is 3.40.1-1build1 is to be installed? Or am i reading this wrong?
[20:22] <sarnold> that's a surprising amount of package churn, but at least it's only going to remove three packages:   libnfsidmap2 libsemanage1 python3-crypto
[20:26] <elwisp> ill try
[20:26] <elwisp> otherwise i can have a cozy weekend reinstalling :)
[20:28] <elwisp> sure resolved the conflict. Running full-upgrade now. I have never seen a conflict like this in years
[20:31] <blei> is there a way to get a second desktop that registers the selected app as active even if you are on the main desktop? i have a Chrome tab that deactivates when i'm not looking at it
[20:33] <elwisp> thanks for the help guys!
[20:34] <elwisp> my main rig is still on 20.04.5 however. Maybe its time to upgrade that one as well tomorrow :)
[20:34] <elwisp> I will surely be back
[20:37] <PasiveIncomeGirl> https://earnbysellinginternetpack.blogspot.com/2021/09/blog-post.html
[20:43] <mybalzitch> tomreyn: can you ban the spammer please
[22:26] <ednash> Does btrfs compress=zstd have any significant CPU or RAM overhead?
[22:40] <mybalzitch> why is it when I turn my system on, do a "snap refresh" it says everythings up to date, then I launch firefox, and firefox is now out of date, if I do a snap refresh again, it says everythings still up to date, but if I close firefox, then there's magically an update
[22:47] <Appolinaire> I'm the person with the repeatedly odd 20.04 and: I need to remove the repository for signal-desktop (which didnt get installed afaik) and keep signal snap. - - I read webpages. Not-trusting happens after suggestions fail. So I try to learn to list all ppa's::  apt policy
[22:47] <Appolinaire> E: Conflicting values set for option Signed-By regarding source https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/ xenial: /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg !=    E: The list of sources could not be read.
[22:47] <Appolinaire> I dont know what I need to look up any more.
[22:50] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: Look here : tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* .
[22:50] <Appolinaire> mybalzitch, I have a GUESS. I guess that ff cannot install it's update until you CLOSE the program and so... the ubuntu update has it in "intstall position" and ff is telling you there is an update --because that ff-incident (I forgotten the word for a running of it)  does not YET know that as soon as it is closed it will be updated. -- you know tmi.
[22:51] <murmel> ednash: it does, but with a modern cpu, it shouldn't affect too much, :3 most of the time gives you even more throughput
[22:53] <Appolinaire> Bashing: I have a list and a desire to review what tail does and how that works. And IDNK that /etc/sources o9r some division of it that I dont know about yet)  is where that is stored. {I need to learn more structure of ubu).
[22:53] <Appolinaire> so far
[22:56] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: As a rule of thumb 3rd party sources are licated in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ dir ".deb" packages.
[22:56] <Appolinaire> check
[22:59] <Appolinaire> there are two sections headed by a line starting with ==>  Is that a comment line as well as a # line is a comment?
[22:59] <Appolinaire> Bashing-om,  ^^
[23:01] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: Correct - "==>==>" are martkers. Hee all you are interested in is the URL for whatever may have installed signal-desktop.
[23:01] <Bashing-om> markers*
[23:02] <Appolinaire> Bashing-OM ([Now which do I remove and how?]  they have the same ==> heading line except one has.save at rhe end.  the first has 3 deb... lines and the save one has one deb... line
[23:03] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: Pastebin the output so the channel sees what you see. Then we have a common foundation.
[23:03] <Appolinaire> Bashing-om, I attempted to do it without snap (but installed some ppa but how I dont remember --- and so then I installed it with snap. That worked.
[23:03] <Appolinaire> ok pastbin I go.
[23:10] <Appolinaire> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/SKmrAMwP
[23:11] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: Looking ^ .
[23:11] <Appolinaire> <<gnash, I already have an account at "email" but if I try to get the username they tell me they cannot send email to that account.  duckduck pair of ducks
[23:11] <Appolinaire> >>
[23:12] <Appolinaire> and I want to learn how to figure it out not just follow what you say.
[23:12] <ogra> look at the filenames
[23:13] <ogra> they re pretty self descriptive
[23:13] <ogra> i.e. all the ones for the signal repo actually start with signal 😉
[23:13] <Appolinaire> not to me.
[23:14] <Appolinaire> and I dont know what xenial is.
[23:14] <ogra> the release name of ubunttu 20.04
[23:14] <mybalzitch> 16.04 was xenial I thought
[23:14] <ogra> oops, indeed
[23:17] <Appolinaire> oh that is ...yeah. I never had xenial. This system was installed as 20.04 and I have had a bad problem with chrom OR ff slowing the system down so I need to quit it every day or two. Have I got some mixed dna in it. (as soon as I get around to backing this up I am going to install 22.04 -- but then I have to reinstall all programs I want. But that's for another day - to get/ make a list of what I have
[23:17] <Appolinaire> installed.
[23:19] <Appolinaire> The word is mosaic. did I mess it up when I added various desktop-environment altenatives - all of which failed to do someting basic. ((also memcheck86 (spelling) freezes in the first cycle and dell memcheck passes finel.)
[23:19] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: Looks like dpkg will be our friend here to remove "signal" - lemme see what I can find out about signal.
[23:20] <Appolinaire> The word is memtest86+
[23:21] <Appolinaire> Bashing-om, I would be happy to remove the snap which would only leave the desktop. remove that. then reinstall the signal. I am that (some word that means out of energy on this.)
[23:22] <Appolinaire> The problem is which is which
[23:23] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: Is no problem to remove the snap - snap its self can do that . what it will take to remove the signal .deb package is a horse of a different color.
[23:25] <Appolinaire> I read TO INSTALL on of the lines is echo 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main' |\
[23:25] <Appolinaire> OH I thought I ONLY had to remove the repository. I dont know if I ever actually installed signal-desktop. How do I find out for sure?
[23:26] <sarnold> dpkg -l '*signal*' probably works
[23:28] <Appolinaire> sarnold works to do what?
[23:29] <Appolinaire> Bashing-om, SARNOLD  i AM THINKING JUST TO REMOVE 3 OF THE FOUR DUPLICATE LINES ooops and the ==> ... .save <== line and see if that works.
[23:29] <sarnold> Appolinaire: apt ignores the .save file
[23:30] <murmel> and the normal signal.list file should work fine afair
[23:30] <murmel> ahh the last line in the normal file should be removed
[23:30] <murmel> (and the second as it's just a reiteration of the first oO)
[23:30] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: ^^ that only removesd the fetch. Not at all what is presently installed. The trick here is to remove signal-desktop. Signal syas there is nothing to it - easy !
[23:31] <Appolinaire> OK given the tail part (which if I remember is only the END of the file. I am also uncertain re to edit the finle. arg.
[23:31] <puff> Something fell on my keyboard and suddenly I had a blank (black) screen except for a blinking underline cursor in the upper left corner.  I tried ctlr-alt-F2/ctrl-alt-F3, ctrl-F1/ctrl-F7 but nothing worked.  Any idea what happened?
[23:32] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: You are getting the horse before the cart - and making issues where there are none - yet.
[23:34] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007061192-Delete-Account . What results with terminal command ' sudo apt remove signal-desktop '
[23:34] <Bashing-om> Appolinaire: https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007061192-Delete-Account . What results with terminal command ' sudo apt remove signal-desktop ' ?
[23:35] <Appolinaire> Ok. I just burst out laughing. I did ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and found a universe.  ---> all I am trying to do is let it update becuse update complains.
[23:35] <Appolinaire> I dont want to delete my account. just  sudo apt update
[23:36] <Appolinaire> I GET: E: Conflicting values set for option Signed-By regarding source https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/ xenial: /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg !=   E: The list of sources could not be read.
[23:37] <murmel> Appolinaire: yes, because you have the repo 3x declared (twice same, one without the key)
[23:38] <Appolinaire> (Appol is humble) so what should I do?
[23:39] <murmel> Appolinaire: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list (remove the last 2 lines)
[23:40] <Appolinaire> what is the program I use to edit it was pico changed to nana or something??
[23:40] <Appolinaire> (I am old and dumb)
[23:40] <enigma9o7> nano
[23:41] <Appolinaire> close
[23:42] <Appolinaire> the file shows as blank??
[23:43] <Appolinaire> I did ^x and now it shows me 3 lines. so weird
[23:44] <Appolinaire> wait dumbness there is a space in the filename
[23:45] <murmel> there shouldn't
[23:45] <Appolinaire> right ..no. let me fix it
[23:47] <Appolinaire> oh I think I need sudo
[23:48] <bsmith0931> sudo nano blah
[23:48] <bsmith0931> then crtl x to save and or quit
[23:49] <Appolinaire> oh yes remembered all that after a moment of "mouse dont work nohow"
[23:49] <Appolinaire> sudo did it. done now apt upgrade seems to work
[23:50] <bsmith0931> also do-release-upgrade for lts releases every 3 years.
[23:50] <Appolinaire> but some cant be done securely focal release and clemintine (chich I dont use. np)
[23:50] <Appolinaire> The repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 20.04 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20200423) focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[23:50] <Appolinaire> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[23:51] <bsmith0931> disable the crdrom ones
[23:51] <bsmith0931> those are local if you had a disc inserted
[23:51] <murmel> Appolinaire: yeah, that should have been disabled by default
[23:51] <bsmith0931> they can all be safely deleted
[23:52] <Appolinaire> please expand. what do I need to delete to make it ok or is it already ok.
[23:52] <murmel> Appolinaire: verify that it's deleted or has a # in the front in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:53] <Appolinaire> ok looking at  /etc/apt/sources.list so what do I want to comment out?
[23:54] <murmel> the line should start with deb cdrom://Ubuntu <bla>
[23:54] <murmel> and make sure there is a # in front of deb (and deb-src)
[23:55] <Appolinaire> I dont see any lines linke that.
[23:55] <Appolinaire> lines like that
[23:56] <imi> does ubuntu rpi core image contain a configured ssh daemon?
[23:57] <murmel> Appolinaire: can you pastebin your sources.list
[23:57] <Appolinaire> sure