[00:23] sarnold, why not btrfs instead of zfs? [00:27] lol [00:27] I mean its faster and has more features? [00:28] They say that RAID 5 (1 parity drive) and 6 (2 parity drives) is not ready for production since there is issues when unexpected power off occurs. [00:32] Which filesystem has the following features: snapshot fs for rollback, online defrag, online diskcheckig (unlike ext4 where you reboot), online resizing, online migration from ext4 conversion, data integrity (also in case of power outage)? [00:33] without conversion, zfs [00:33] and you have backups ofcourse [00:34] maybe point out there is no shrinking, just saying, as he has me on ignore [00:38] "online migration from ext4 conversion" wow I wasn't sold before but thats a feature I need all day every day [00:40] heh [00:40] mybalzitch: it's easier to add features if data integrity isn't important :) [00:40] I'm jsut waiting for that sweet sweet block pointer rewrite to be implemented in ZFS [00:44] oerheks ok so zfs has all the features I listed except converstion? I thought btrfs had all those features including conversion? [00:45] mybalzitch https://youtu.be/2HobXqXcyVE?t=908 some people say its not mature or not maintained well so take backups [00:46] mybalzitch oerheks which FS have you used so far? [00:46] the btrfs devs themselves say don't use the parity feature [00:46] or rather, that it's not ready for prod. [00:46] If ZFS is the kind, I wonder why all the giants and fedora are moving to btrfs [00:47] If ZFS is the king **, I wonder why all the giants and fedora are moving to btrfs [00:47] and why Linus says no to zfs [00:47] I am confused b/w the two [00:48] if everyones moving to btrfs, why hasn't time been put in to fix a major issue like losing your data in the event of a power outage [00:48] moving to or giving it as option, this should move to #ubuntu-discussion [00:48] use what you like best [00:49] oerheks don't want to dislike something after using it rather make an informed dicision [00:50] mybalzitch isn't btrfs doing the opposite with copy on write and etc? [00:50] mybalzitch btrfs uses buffer. so power outage wont corrupt data [00:51] Intelo: literally copy and pasted from the OFFICIAL btrfs wiki [00:51] The RAID56 feature provides striping and parity over several devices, same as the traditional RAID5/6. There are some implementation and design deficiencies that make it unreliable for some corner cases and the feature should not be used in production, only for evaluation or testing. The power failure safety for metadata with RAID56 is not 100%. [00:52] mybalzitch I never use Raid. [00:53] mybalzitch apart from raid, whats the comparison of zfs and btrfs [00:57] Ok, whats the best channel to ask about this? [01:06] #zfs :D [01:07] Bing. [01:07] zfs is one of the primary reasons I use ubuntu [01:07] i use snaps. === M4he is now known as mahe [01:14] cbreak you never thought about using btrfs? === ledeni_ is now known as ledeni [02:28] hello [02:38] gossie: Invalid input. Please re-state your query. [02:39] jhutchins: ? [02:51] Seemed like a valid riff on "what's your ubuntu support question". [02:51] Also, I got tripped up again by autocomplete. [02:52] Woof. [02:52] Ah, autocomplete. That one catches me sometimes too. === E-Man is now known as RaptorJesus [03:10] arraybolt3: bios update fixed ACPI errors and I now have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/acpi_cppc [03:10] I'll let you know if I still get these random freezes! [03:18] kotodama: Nice! [03:32] Hi [03:36] https://linuxhint.com/install-upgrade-latest-kernel-ubuntu-22-04/ [03:37] Is this okay to do? I use virtualbox so that needs to be built, but needing 5.15+ for some feautures in btrfs [03:39] Ubuntu 22.05 comes with 5.15 [03:39] *22.04 [03:39] Indeed [03:39] SystemV: maineline kernels are good for testing purposes, not for daily driver [03:40] Latest stable kernel in kernel.org is 5.19 [03:40] mainline is 6.0 [03:40] Curious how hard it is to use a custom kernel in ubuntu and with other kernel driver packages in distro [03:41] I fear custom kernel might conflict with virtualbox drivers dkms that ubuntu builds [03:44] SystemV: virtualbox should install fine with whatever kernel ubuntu gives you by default [03:44] SystemV still in #zfs? [03:45] lotuspsychje: I mean with custom built kernel not the one that comes default with ubuntu [03:45] I wanted to update to 5.19 or try out 6.0 [03:46] SystemV: custom kernels are not supported here, only !mainline kernels testing officialy [03:46] ok === SystemV is now known as SysV === fling_ is now known as fling [04:31] !mainline [04:31] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [05:39] arraybolt3: ah, I forgot about that similar issue I have, sometimes it doesn't lockup after suspend to ram, but just "shut down screen after 10m" in plasma energy saving optons is enough to have the computer unexpectedly reboot [05:40] I just came back after being away 20min and I was on rootfs passphrase prompt [05:40] (even with the new bios) [05:41] I still have these ^@^@^@^@^@^@ in syslog, and nothing interesting before that [05:43] oh wait [05:45] That kind of sounds like it rebooted automatically... [05:45] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N2CFY5NVvb/ [05:46] yeah, I remember now I disabled screen turn off after I've been having these issues [05:46] I re-enabled them today after the upgrade but they're still here [05:46] That looks like a network driver having a temper tantrum. [05:47] Or the display... hold on, I may have my IDs mixed up... [05:47] (I thought i915 was network, but now I'm pretty sure it's the display subsystem... /me needs to Google it) [05:47] Yep, it's the Intel display hardware throwing a fit. [05:48] ah I see [05:48] so the display driver doesn't like when it's being asked to turn off the screen :o [05:49] And it's related to the screen turning off... perhaps a kernel incompatibility? [05:49] well, maybe there are 2 issues here, the freeze on suspend to ram, and the reboot on screen off [05:49] I have a laptop (really a modded Chromebook) that hates the 5.4 kernel and exhibits all sorts of strange behavior with it, but is perfectly happy with 5.15. [05:49] hopefully the first one is resolved [05:49] I'm on 5.15.0-48-generic atm [05:50] I'd file a kernel bug at this point, and then try installing a mainline kernel and see what happens. You don't want to use the mainline kernel for daily driving, but it may fix the issue. [05:50] sure, thanks for the pointers :) [05:50] And if you've not had this issue in the past, then it may be a regression, which will aid in debugging. [05:56] indeed, thanks again! [06:12] kotodama: what kind of system do you have? [06:13] ahh just saw your log, where it's printed [06:15] Is the LTO-6 tape drive a SAS interface? [06:16] JoeLlama: wrong channel, and additionally, i _really_ guess here, but it probably depends on which kind of drive oO? [06:16] oh [06:16] maybe that is why I got confused when I googled... perhaps they have different interfaces depending [06:22] ok so like the quantum has dual SAS [06:24] Any idea on how I can view this hard drive? https://dpaste.org/2Lmjs - I thought this drive was good. [06:25] did you backup that disc and try various recovery tools? [06:26] murmel: open to recovery tools, I just pulled it off the shelf. Been offline for years. [06:26] :) [06:26] how many roughlt? [06:26] Any suggestions? I tried disk utility in ubuntu GUI but doesn't seem helpful [06:26] murmel: not sure, I don't remember. It's possible it's bad and I have nothing on it. [06:27] m: depending on how many years, you can't recover anything. as the electrons forgot their state [06:27] oh [06:27] how many years when that happens? [06:27] yeah, best practice is to plug it in every 6 months or so [06:28] murmel: so if it was offline for a year, no way to recover? [06:29] m: afair, roughly 2 years, depending on storage conditions [06:29] m: super super unlikely [06:31] murmel: aha, checking UUID to see if this was the drive set up in fstab === Andrew is now known as haxcpu [06:31] murmel: gah, Disks isn't even showing me UUID [06:31] Is there a way to pull this off the drive somehow? [06:32] m: as that (meta)data is stored on disk, very unlikely [06:32] murmel: nevermind, I see it was another drive that I wanted... perfect. [06:32] Thank you. [06:32] murmel: in this case, I think I'm just going to wipe this partition and/or try to plug it into my laptop [06:32] in OS X [06:33] if I can't read it in linux or OS X... then who knows what it is [06:33] thank you! [06:33] m: try it, but run some tests before you actually use it for data === jmcgnh_ is now known as jmcgnh [07:32] Reverse tunneling with ssh, trying to expose a lapto behind NAT to public. I do this: ssh -fN -R 1.1.1.1:10022:localhost:22 relayserver_user@1.1.1.1 ... I can see it's running, but when I try to connect to it with ssh -p 10022 homeserver_user@1.1.1.1 it says "Connection refused" ... granted, from 1.1.1.1, I can see it running on port 10022. Am I missing something? [07:41] foo: man sshd_config, check the GatewayPorts setting [07:42] It's used to access forwarded ports from anything other than localhost [09:14] root@localhost:~# echo "apt install git" | xxd [09:14] 00000000: 6170 7420 696e 7374 616c 6cc2 a067 6974 apt install..git 00000010: 0a . [09:14] Is this normal [09:15] as in nano it appears as a space [09:18] smallville7123: normal in what sense? [09:18] it should display as this, right? [09:18] root@localhost:~# echo "apt install git" | xxd [09:18] 00000000: 6170 7420 696e 7374 616c 6cc2 a067 6974 apt install..git 00000010: 0a . root@localhost:~# echo "apt install git" | xxd 00000000: 6170 7420 696e 7374 616c 6c20 6769 740a apt install git. [09:19] smallville7123: well, you've generated the first string with an invalud unicode character in it [09:19] root@localhost:~# echo "apt install git" | xxd [09:19] 00000000: 6170 7420 696e 7374 616c 6c20 6769 740a apt install git. [09:20] gordonjcp: the file is from here [09:21] https://github.com/pspdev/pspdev/blob/master/prepare-debian-ubuntu.sh [09:21] in github app [09:21] for android [09:23] could it be related to the rendered text? [09:24] how would i go about feeding this to bash? [09:24] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pspdev/pspdev/master/prepare-debian-ubuntu.sh [09:25] instead of copy pasting from website to terminal [09:26] would i do "curl $url | bash" ? [09:27] Or would it pipe the header and stuff as well [09:41] Also how do we run this? [09:41] debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed [09:41] when installing apt-utils in the ubuntu base [09:42] Also this [09:42] debconf: (Can't locate Term/ReadLine.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Term::ReadLine module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/perl/5.34.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.34.0 /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.34 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/perl-base /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/perl/5.34 /usr/share/perl/5.34 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Readline.pm line [09:42] 7, <> line 1.)debconf: falling back to frontend: Teletype Selecting previously unselected package dialog. [09:43] when installing dialog [09:44] like, what is the correct order of packes to be installed in the base system in order to have a minimal functioning package manager working [09:45] specifically from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/ [09:53] would i do this? [09:54] apt install apt-utils; apt install dialog [09:54] apt reinstall apt-utils; apt reinstall dialog [09:55] (as both seem to depend on eachother for configuration) [09:58] welp feeding apt into bash doesnt work [09:59] After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort. === SysV is now known as Linux [10:39] Intelo: no, btrfs isn't a serious competition to zfs [10:49] anyone on who knows their way around the joystick config? === klebers_ is now known as klebers [11:02] Glitzer: try to state your specific issue to the channel, maybe volunteers might know your answer [11:35] Anyone else having trouble running 22.04.1 from virtualbox? I get 'mtd device must be supplied (device name is empty)' ..and then nothing more. (I don't know if that's the actual problem that causes loading to stop, it's just the last output onscreen) [11:39] Slartibart: anything interesting in /var/log/syslog ? [11:39] fwiw it does not seem it affects booting, at least without vbox https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1981622 [11:39] Launchpad bug 1981622 in systemd (Ubuntu Jammy) "mtd device must be supplied (device name is empty)" [Medium, Fix Released] [11:44] murmel: sorry for the delay, it's an Asus ux430uar [11:47] kotodama: you might wanna re-ask your issue in the channel, togheter with the past steps you tryed so other online volunteers can pickup where you left [11:48] sure! [11:48] whenever I enable screen turnoff in Plasma power saving options, my computer reboots automatically, I think that's when the turn off is triggered [11:49] I saw that stacktrace in my syslog, before the reboot (but not *just* before it) [11:49] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dx8vZmVvFG/plain/ [11:50] I'm on 5.15.0-48-generic atm, haven't tried yet installing upstream kernel but I will (when time allows) [11:51] I also had another issue, computer freezing randomly after waking up from suspend to ram, saw some ACPI errors at boot time, fixed by updating bios to latest version, hopefully these are gone (else they might be related) [11:53] thats a weird trace indeed kotodama [11:54] kotodama: did you file a bug on that yet? [11:54] it's been doing it for about a year, on at least hirsute and now jammy [11:55] not yet no, I'm not sure against what I should file it, would it be kernel ? [11:55] kotodama: what does this show in terminal> cat /proc/cmdline [11:55] actually, it's the first time I see such stacktrace in my logs, usually it's clear of anything useful :| [11:55] BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-5.15.0-48-generic root=UUID=79cb9662-34f6-4758-bf9b-1045b22cfcb8 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 [11:56] I'm using encrypted rootfs + swap, if it matter somehow [11:56] matters [11:56] kotodama: on zfs? [11:56] ext4 [11:56] kk [11:56] kotodama: can we see your full dmesg too plz? [11:57] just the boot part, right ? no use for everything that happened long after that ? [11:58] kotodama: well i would like to see the whole lot [12:00] I'll remove flooding auditd logs then :p [12:00] complaining about firefox trying to access stuff [12:03] lotuspsychje: here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fxgw6V5kbB/ [12:04] thank you for digging into this ! [12:05] tnx [12:06] kotodama: have you tryed disabling secureboot yet, we see often hardware affected by it on users [12:09] ah not yet indeed [12:09] I'll try that [12:12] kotodama: [ 1364.047461] Lockdown: systemd-logind: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7 [12:12] this sounds like a secureboot lock [12:14] although this might be unrelated, as I don't seem to have issues with hibernate itself [12:14] just having the screen turn off causes a reboot === fenris_ is now known as fenris === fenris_ is now known as fenris [12:21] kotodama: try disable secureboot, and see if you can reproduce your sudden reboot(s) [12:21] Hasn't hibernation been disabled since 20.04 [12:23] lotuspsychje: trying right now :) [12:23] great [12:23] the issue is not systematic though... I'll see if it fails immediately or holds for a while [12:24] kotodama: try to keep a: journalctl -f running while you test around too [12:24] yeah but since it reboots on power saving options, I won't see much ^^ [12:25] but then I'll keep that in mind [12:25] kotodama: could you share your dmesg with secureboot disabled too plz? [12:27] kotodama: also check if you got items in your /var/crash that could be related [12:27] sure [12:27] tried a suspend to ram too so it gets logged [12:32] lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zZCjMdhcZW/ [12:32] tnx, checking kotodama [12:34] EriC^: Thanks, checking. Sorry for late reply! [12:35] what is this package for? https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/net/transmission-common [12:35] kotodama: that looks already more sane to me overall, with a few errors here and there [12:36] Slartibart: np [12:36] kotodama: a backlight warning, prob unrelated to your crash i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Panel is missing HDR static metadata. Possible support for Intel HDR backlight interface is not used. If your backlight controls don't work try booting with i915.enable_dpcd_backlight=3. needs this, please file a _new_ bug report on drm/i915, see https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/wikis/How-to-file-i915-bugs for details. [12:39] !info transmission-common | varaindemian [12:39] varaindemian: transmission-common (3.00-2ubuntu2, jammy): lightweight BitTorrent client (common files). In component main, is optional. Built by transmission. Size 201 kB / 876 kB [12:58] lotuspsychje: nope, still having the auto reboots without secure boot [12:59] ok tnx for testing that [12:59] thanks for checking the log :) [12:59] backlight control seems ok [13:00] I'll try an upstream kernel, check if some version doesn't have the issue somehow [13:00] it's pretty systematic, but not immediate, if I disable "turn screen off after X min" I don't get the reboot [13:00] but then if I turn it on, computer is still alive after turning screen off [13:00] it seems to happen somewhat after screen is turned off, and some other event arises [13:01] (with screen off) [13:01] one for you ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zZCjMdhcZW/ asus/intel gets whenever I enable screen turnoff in Plasma power saving options, my computer reboots automatically, I think that's when the turn off is triggered [13:02] lotuspsychje, lokks messy [13:02] *looks [13:02] we tryed secureboot off, and kotodama updated to latest firmware too [13:02] has having these on hirsute + jammy [13:04] first thing, i'd try is to boot with 'nomodeset' kotodama [13:05] thanks I'll try that one [13:07] I think I had the issue on impish too, not sure for focal though, probably not [13:09] I might be able to find that in my Canonical daily logs, I remember it kinda matched with my on-boarding ^^' [13:10] you dont got flickering on your screens right kotodama ? [13:10] hmm I got that a while ago around the mouse pointer [13:10] but then it disappeared [13:11] I don't remember the details, iirc it was only when I connected another screen [13:11] so it started around 2021-09-16, 2nd time it happened [13:11] cause the flickering bug i had, also skipped focal, came back to jammy 5.15 [13:11] also intel [13:11] kotodama, after nomodeset, you can try 'i915.enable_dpcd_backlight=3' [13:12] thanks === hirox is now known as hype_Ubuntu [13:12] こんにちは、世界。 [13:15] Thank you. [13:56] Hi all [13:56] oh hai BluesKaj! What's the latest? [13:57] dunno wez, just got here :) [13:57] What's the latest with you, was the rest of the sentence [13:58] Hi [13:58] How can I add icons to desktop in ubuntu_ [14:03] Extensions app [14:03] How can I refresh snap store error in ubuntu software center? [14:06] :\ [14:06] SrainUser: "snap refresh" on the cli doesn't work? [14:07] im newbie [14:08] What does this mean? [14:09] wez, I'm having depndency probs with debuginfod1 configure [14:09] wez I'm testing Kubuntu Kinetic [14:09] !ubuntu-next | BluesKaj [14:09] BluesKaj: oh noes! Do you have a dpaste of any error logs? [14:10] !ubuntu-next | BluesKaj [14:10] hi leftyfb! [14:10] BluesKaj: /join #ubuntu-next for support with unreleased versions of ubuntu [14:11] SrainUser: sudo pkill snap-store && sudo snap refresh snap-store [14:11] leftyfb, I'm, not looking for a solution here, just telling wez what's new with me :-0 [14:12] alreadyasking in #kubuntu-devel chat [14:12] leftyfb: I prefer this command: sudo apt-get --purge remove snapd [14:12] Solves lots of issues [14:12] wez: please don't [14:14] leftyfb: oh :( [14:14] Thanks! It worked. [14:14] :) [14:15] :p [14:18] Hi! [14:21] My pc suddenly wont wake up after suspend. When i hit a key to wake it up it boots up as if i had power it off. [14:24] it worked until yesterday... [14:25] ioria: with nomodeset screen turns off, then after a minute or so comes back on and it doesn't fail (cc lotuspsychje) [14:26] I'll try i915.enable_dpcd_backlight=3 tomorrow (it's late where I live ;), thanks again ! [14:26] later kotodama ; ) [14:27] also, suspend to ram also seem to not turn screen off, despite being suspended to ram per the blinking leds ^^ [14:27] see you ! ;) [14:28] how do i add a new user with sudo permissions [14:29] as i tried copying a folder into my proot but it wont let me modify as root even if i chown and chmod [14:30] root@localhost:~/macrofire-src# rm macrofire.prx rm: cannot remove 'macrofire.prx': Permission denied [14:32] $ lsattrib macrofire.prx @smallville7123 [14:33] brb [14:33] would i be able to modify it if i binded it in proot? [14:34] --------------e------- src/macrofire.prx [15:02] smallville7123: try> usermod -a -G sudo [15:02] Likely have to use sudo in front [15:09] smallville7123: If you're getting permission denied while trying to delete a file as root, the problem isn't permissions. I don't see the immutable bit set, so my guess would be a read-only filesystem (perhaps an odd mount or a dying drive?). [15:11] Jeremy31: hm ok [15:11] so, useradd m -HOME; usermod -a -G sudo m [15:11] ? [15:12] arraybolt3: if it helps, i am copying from android filesystem to ubuntu proot rootfs [15:13] I did rsync -av source destination... then I mounted the drive to a new folder, ran it again, and it's trying to sync. Is this to be expected because I changed mount points? [15:13] smallville7123: Hmm, are you trying to delete a file on Android from within Ubuntu? [15:14] no [15:15] Jeremy31: so this? useradd -m -p password -G sudo -G wheel test_user === BT is now known as Guest6116 === Guest6116 is now known as lightstalker2 [15:16] useradd: group 'wheel' does not exist [15:16] smallville7123: If you have sudo within the proot, I'm guessing you're trying to delete a file that Android isn't letting it delete, in which case a second user still probably won't do the trick. [15:16] If there's some way for you to modify the file permissions from within Android, that might help. [15:16] I can modify it from android itself [15:17] I just can't modify it inside the proot [15:17] Yeah, then it's probably Android not letting Ubuntu delete it. [15:17] Can you change the file permissions within Android, or give the proot itself more permissions? [15:17] how? [15:17] smallville7123: No clue, not sure what software you're using. [15:18] also is it normal for the wheel group to apparently not exist? [15:18] or is that normally distributed specific [15:18] Distro* [15:19] eg some have wheel, others don't [15:19] My Ubuntu system doesn't seem to have a wheel group. [15:19] ok :) [15:22] hmmm -p doesn't seem to specify the actual password for login [15:23] Even tho it says -p, --password PASSWORD encrypted password of the new account [15:25] hmmm is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [15:26] guess I'll need to dig out my wsl script to figure out how to automate this [15:29] *didn't find anything qwq* [15:48] https://imgur.com/a/MzO2TYF [15:54] usermod -a -G sudo b [15:56] Still get error :( [15:57] Try adding to admin group [15:57] smallville7123: I'd try rebooting your container. [15:57] admin does not exist [15:58] And adding to root group doesn't work as I still get error [15:59] How do I reboot a proot lol [16:00] I tried exiting the proot and entering again but still get error [16:10] Seriously what *on earth* is Ubuntu doing popping up notifications all the time telling me to close Firefox? [16:10] Nothing even happens if you do close Firefox as far as I can tell [16:11] It seems to expect you to close the web browser and *leave it closed*, just stop using your web browser, until whenever it decides to update the snap for you [16:11] seanh: Why do you think Ubuntu has anything to do with it? [16:12] Because it's the Firefox snap that does this [16:12] https://gist.github.com/mgood7123/046b03f149be3ce26b79e6f2846f8121 [16:13] seanh: Why does that have anything to do with Ubuntu? Firefox is a completely separate development project. [16:13] close firefox open a terminal sudo snap refresh or just wait the number of days and ubuntu will automaticlly update it [16:14] Firefox is the web browser that ships with Ubuntu by default. Let's be reasonable here [16:14] no one would like firefox to just close and restart while work is in progress [16:15] You can't show users a notification telling them to close their web browser, and you certainly can't expect them to then keep it closed for an unspecified amount of time waiting for an update to happen. There isn't even a notification when the update has happened. Nor can you expect them to know to open a terminal and run `sudo snap refresh` [16:15] seanh: That doesn't mean it's part of Ubuntu, it's still a third-party project. [16:16] correct [16:17] seanh: Anyway, that doesn't matter if you just want to address the problem. [16:17] The way this used to work before Ubuntu moved to the Firefox snap was that a notification would appear in Firefox that, when clicked, would restart Firefox to upgrade it to a new version [16:18] See also #firefox [16:18] I know it's pointless to simply complain but whether it's Ubuntu or Mozilla's job to fix this it's just kind of astonishing that someone apparently thought this was an acceptable user experience to ship [16:19] I'm pretty sure it was Canonical not Mozilla who switched Firefox from apt to snap on Ubuntu, so the decision seems to be have been on them I would guess [16:19] There are at least twenty other open source browsers you could use. [16:20] overall I like snaps but there are a few things that could/ will need to made better [16:20] Ah, but the second most popular one (Chromium) is a snap. D-: [16:21] or one could go snap free if you wanted to do the work [16:21] Is firefox still considered "open source"? [16:22] yes [16:23] I seem to remember that you can still install it as an apt managed dpkg if you're willing to not have the bleeding edge. [16:23] You could also install it from Mozilla's *binary* tarball. [16:23] It auto-updates and everything, and is Snap-free. [16:24] No source code building involved. [16:24] I will stick with the snaps and wait as they get better. I like the concept [16:25] Welp imma just ignore it [16:27] How do I check to make sure fwupd is working and polling for new firmware updates? [16:30] GSMarquis: What firmware does it update? [16:31] It lists my Dell 9310 BIOS [16:50] GSMarquis, i updated my lenovo laptop(not the uefi) by this page https://access.redhat.com/solutions/5436071 It worked here. [16:55] I found the same page for Ubuntu. Apparently it doesnt check system bios firmware until I plugged into AC power, then it found latest. [16:56] GSMarquis, that is a restriction inside the fwupd software, so that is normal [16:56] Yea, I wasnt even thinking about AC power. [16:59] Oh, nevermind, I misremembered what the "fw" stands for. [16:59] Could not figure out what a firewall had to do with it. [17:00] Hi, is there a way to install the BSD awk on ubuntu? I have a awk script I'm trying to use from OSX on my ubuntu machine but the syntax is compatible [17:01] s/compatible/incompatible [17:09] tailgate: If all else fails, you could install NetBSD in a VM and run it there. [17:10] I think the problem was I was using the orginal awk on ubuntu and not gawk [17:10] Otherwise, since it is the BSD awk, you will probably find yourself trying to compile (and maybe even modify!) source code, unless someone has already ported BSD's awk to Ubuntu. [17:10] Oh. It works with gawk? [17:11] erm, what does it mean when an apt dist-upgrade command says "the following packages have been kept back" how do i push em forward then? [17:14] nothing a little copy and paste couldn't solve [17:14] That's got to be one of our top ten questions. [17:14] Gallomimia: Do you have any third party repos (PPAs)? [17:15] Gallomimia: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1431940/what-are-phased-updates-and-why-does-ubuntu-use-them [17:17] ahm. yup. [17:19] i pasted the list of what was held back into a direct update command and it did it. but as you might expect it's now warning me about keyrings and deprecation [17:37] o.o [17:37] This system has been minimized by removing packages and content that are not required on a system that users do not log into. To restore this content, including manpages, you can run the 'unminimize' command. You will still need to ensure the 'man-db' package is installed. [17:48] hi what does rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* ? [17:48] and why it it used after install? [17:48] Guest3: where did ou see that command? [17:48] https://github.com/masroorhasan/docker-pyspark/blob/master/Dockerfile [17:49] do you know? [17:49] Guest3: it wipes the locally cached information about your installed packages and repos. Running : sudo apt update # should rebuild it. But you shouldn't just delete those contents unless something is severely wrong and you're told to do it as part of troubleshooting [17:50] oh [17:50]