[00:00] when i install a new os [00:00] it's going to do this thing again [00:00] and i probably wont remember what steps i took [00:01] it's typical acer stuff, you have to set it in the bios to boot up [00:01] so i want to figure out what UEFI is overwriting boot entries (Which i still dont think you believe me is actually happening for some reason) so I can correct it [00:01] why UEFI* [00:02] maybe you can only delete the entry from the bios? [00:02] no option for that [00:02] try again efibootmgr -B -b 0003 from the booted os [00:02] if i 'clear all boot settings' nothing changes [00:03] https://termbin.com/9xka [00:03] so the pciroot is some storage on the uefi [00:03] i deleted archlinux, restarting [00:04] and it sback [00:05] https://termbin.com/skb3 [00:05] ultimately the not deleting stuff doesnt matter, even if you were able to delete it, probably when you install another os, acer's going to want you to add it [00:05] just keep in mind to go to the bios and set the priority to the new os [00:06] it might be some bug in their uefi, you can try updating the bios/uefi [00:07] sorry, got d/c === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [00:09] yeah there's no way to delete these entries lol [00:09] once they're made they're there for good [00:09] forever [00:09] unless i like.. flash it [00:10] not a big deal honestly, uefi can handle a ton of entries, but if you really want to fix it, probably a uefi update might have the bug fixed [00:11] nm i actually just cleared the entries.. i just.. had to do it twice? [00:12] well that's good [00:14] o_O [00:14] all this frustration boils down to "delete it twice and then it'll go away"?? [00:14] i hate computers so much [00:14] it's just UEFI, exists in its own special little realm and touches stuff I don't think it should, makes it a pain to troubleshoot [00:15] as every motherboard seems to have a different way to implement UEFI [00:15] yeah [00:16] its like trying to keep your room clean but your neighbor uses an extendable gadget arm to reach through your window to knock your vase over [00:23] how do I hack with my ubuntu? [00:23] :D [00:24] lol [00:24] point your laptop at the nearest thing you want to hack [00:24] wrong channel user9d [00:24] and type really loudly and hard as fast as you can [00:24] soon you will see a big 'ACCESS GRANTED' on your screen [00:24] sweet [00:24] doesnt matter if it's a computer, a phone, a microwave, a bag of chips [00:24] works every time [00:25] I'm going to be so successful *tear* [00:25] Anyone know of a password manager that I can use in the terminal and have it work with my browser? [00:25] im actually doing it at you right now [00:25] Using KeypassXC at the moment but the auto fill on forms is hit or miss at best [00:26] https://www.passwordstore.org/ [00:35] Had anybody here updated to the new release Ubuntu 22 [00:36] A bunch of us are using Ubuntu 22.04 (though I clean-installed all of mine, I don't do do-release-upgrades.) [00:36] Any issues updating [00:37] one of my systems from 18.04 times had an /etc/network/interfaces, and I lost connectivity to it after I rebooted into 22.04 [00:37] So far it's been working with very minimal flaws for me (those minimal flaws being a couple of random crashes and some small software incompatibilities, that I can remember). [00:37] I wish I'd made a netplan config for it before upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04 [00:38] Weird. I ran into an issue a few months ago when suddenly my network manager was erased [00:38] As far as running "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade", a lot of us have gotten tripped up on phased updates, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1431940/what-are-phased-updates-and-why-does-ubuntu-use-them [00:38] I'll check into it arraybolt3 [00:39] That's more of a problem with understanding what's happenning than it is a proplem with the system itself, but it's caused the most frequently asked question around here, that being "why are packages held back in apt". === Mibix is now known as oftomf [00:45] Damn DSL cuts out everytime the phone rings [00:45] Feels like I'm back to dial up. Lol [00:47] if you need to change your IP address, then call your phone [00:47] with a cellphone [00:48] that has minutes [00:48] What do you mean [00:48] uuuuuuh [00:48] lets please stay on topic here [00:48] this is an ubuntu support channel [00:48] Got it, my bad [00:48] I'll tell you in #ubuntu-offtopic Cyberhillbilly [00:49] Cyberhillbilly: don't mind user9d, he's just forgotten that this is #ubuntu and not #ubuntu-offtopic :) [00:51] Cyberhillbilly: You didn't do it :P [00:52] Ok [00:52] I'm new, getting my feet wet ;) [00:53] Mantisek: thank you [00:54] Cyberhillbilly: cool, welcome :) [00:59] Thanks [01:30] hello [01:30] hi [01:31] i new here [01:31] how are you lol [01:53] ? (can be ignored) [01:55] pong [02:32] I just came back to my locked Ubuntu gnome session, typed my password, and the machine became completely unresponsive upon pressing enter. Can't switch to a tty and unresponsive to ctrl-alt-delete. Anything else I should try before restarting and checking the logs? [02:33] dabbler: Without knowing what was running when you locked it, it's hard to guess what might have failed. Something might have been waiting for input. [02:33] dabbler: On the other hand, it could have been a hardware failure, possibly thermal. [02:34] If you can't switch to a TTY, your system might be thrashing due to low memory, or the kernel might have panicked. [02:34] arraybolt3: Yeah, locking _after_ acceptin gthe password suggests a kernel panic. [02:34] Which, again, could be just about anything. [02:35] One incident is pretty hard to diagnose. [02:35] Either way, a restart is probably the fastest short-term solution. Sadly, if it is a kernel panic, the logs will probably not tell us what happened, but it's worth looking anyway. [02:35] Unfortunately logging is one of the first functions to fail in most crashes. === oftomf is now known as Mibix [02:47] dabbler: can you ssh in? does the numlock key work? [02:50] arraybolt3: unless something unprecedented started running and sprung a leak, I doubt it was low RAM. 16 G in the machine, with little left running. [02:54] What was running, as far as I can remember: a generally idle VirtualBox VM with 4 G of the RAM, Brave with a few open tabs (all but one would've been suspended by now), a byobu window doing nothing, and a nautilus window or two [02:55] Not the first time I've left it running overnight and no thermal issues so far [02:56] sarnold: NumLock toggling works [02:57] okay, so *something* is alive a bit.. [02:57] I'm not sure whether I can ssh in. I haven't touched ssh server config yet since installing ubuntu. IIRC that means it's disabled, right? [02:57] yeah, I think the desktop installer doesn't bring in ssh-server by default [02:58] maybe control+alt+backspace? I wonder if we disable that [02:59] sarnold I was just looking at gnome tweaks last night. That option was disabled and I left it that way, unfortunately. [03:00] I'll just restart. Fingers crossed for a mounted exfat haha [03:00] there's also a sysrq key that can kill processes, sync the disk, unmount the filesystems, but I don't know if we've disabled that, too :) [03:00] !sysrq [03:00] In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing slowly, in succession, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [03:01] hah yay Bashing-om :) [03:01] I couldn't remember which keys were still useful.. [03:04] Shoot. Didn't see that in time [03:05] so, how'd the filesystems handle it? :) [03:05] And I just remembered I installed gnome on top of ubuntu-server, so I might've been able to ssh in 🤦‍♂️ [03:05] d'oh :) [03:11] There's nothing irreplaceable and important on it, but it would save some me redoing the copying I left it doing last night [03:14] Still scanning. In the meantime… does NumLock working mean the kernel was still functional? [03:16] sarnold: well, it says it's clean, so I'm probably fine [03:20] Bashing-om: thanks! I'll have to remember that [03:23] dabbler: Times my system too locks up - I remember the sequence (rseirb) -raising skinny elephants is risky bussiness- all to well :( [03:35] Bashing-om: What's that a mnemonic for? [03:36] Oh, the sysrq codes [03:36] dabbler: the sysrq sequence for emergency re-boot. [03:38] I'm trying to unzip a file but get an error: "skipping: [filename] need PK compat. v5.1 (can do v4.6) [03:38] " while my unzip is ver 6.0-25ubuntu1 -- an suggestions? [03:40] Bashing-om: I think I understand the purpose of the rse…b, but not the ir in between. [03:41] Given the b that follows [03:42] And wouldn't you want to sync after sending sigterm? [03:43] 'resub', perhaps? [03:45] dabbler, if you don't remember, quick search of "magic sysrq" (on phone etc) usually finds wikipedia result for reminder of options.. I use REISUB myself, same as bashing-om's choice; just slightly different order of execution [03:45] dabbler: From the horse's mouth: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/sysrq.rst :D [03:48] What better sigkill is there than a reboot? :P [03:49] dabbler: The goal is clean as possible. [03:50] what does it mean to have a PK compatible v5.1? Do I need a different version of unzip (like PKunzip I remember from Windows)? [03:54] Bashing-om: Understood and agreed. So I understand the SIGTERM, in case processes want to write data from RAM to disk when they exit. (That's why I was surprised the sync didn't follow it.) My understanding of SIGKILL, though, was that it was no cleaner than a reboot as far as that process's chance to do anything. [04:09] dabbler: You may well be correct in that respect; modern journaled file systems - however, the sysrq sequence unmounts, terminates, kills and flushes. Even in some cases where the 3 fingered salute is not effective. [05:07] is there a way to make pkg-config recognize a manually installed Qt, not one from packages in the archive? [05:10] !pinning | noarb Like so ? [05:10] noarb Like so ?: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto [05:14] Is there a way to keep x-server crashes from killing my open programs? Why can't their processes continue, to be "reattached" so-to-speak to the next desktop environment of the same user? [05:33] dabbler: because it involves handles and pointers to a lot of resources that won't get the same handle/address the next time xorg will run [05:42] alkisg: There must be some way to surmount that issue. Windows and macOS manage it when explorer or Finder crash [05:42] dabbler: sure, if you can pay 100 programmers for 10 years to reimplement all that, it's doable [05:42] Although a crashed explorer isn't the same as a crashed xorg [05:43] In Linux you can crash nautilus or caja without losing windows [06:11] Running ubuntu 22.04. Have 3 monitors. Each time I change virtual desktop I have noticed that only the center monitor actually swaps, the other 2 monitors are within the exact same first content, despite of how many times I swap. This prevents for a real split of work. Can this be fixed in some way? [06:16] Found the setting here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403554/switch-workspace-on-dual-monitor-22-04 [06:17] Hello Ubuntu Enjoyers! [06:19] Hello Slayer of Sams :) [06:23] So what flavor of ubuntu does everyone prefer here? Or, what preferences do you mix and match? [06:45] On wayland, what's the equivalent of the "window manager process"? E.g. `pgrep mutter` or metacity, marco, xfwm4... [06:47] In other words, "fullscreen wine windows aren't fullscreened on wayland" => under which package would I report that? [06:55] I'd say wine. And if it turns out to be a wayland issue, the wine devs will know what to report to wayland [06:56] geirha: it works properly with openbox and xfwm4, but not with the window managers that were derived from metacity [06:56] * alkisg checks if it's gnome-shell nowadays... [07:00] Ouch it seems like they bundle the window manager in gnome-shell along with other tasks, so it can't be replaced by other window managers anymore (for easier testing) [07:13] Reported it to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/metacity/-/issues/33 [07:13] Issue 33 in GNOME/metacity "Fullscreen wine windows are now cropped" [Opened] [08:10] Hi there, I use snap to get some fresh applications on my distro. All good except the fact, some of the popup windows simply does not appear. Have someone of you faced such an issue? === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 === arraybolt3_ is now known as arraybolt3 [08:55] idk if any canonical employees lurk in here but y'all need to not put the horse before the cart. I just did an apt dist-upgrade on a pretty basic install of 22.04 desktop and git an extremely cryptinc message about "Ubuntu Pro" and "esm-apps". "Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro" leads you to a webpage with "coming soon". [08:56] that's a User Experience issue. [08:56] ty for your attention [08:58] oh they left [08:58] at least /pro is no longer 404 [09:03] they should urgently disable -proposed though ... you can only get that version from the test archive [09:04] (which you should never enable permanently) [09:05] i wonder if there are common installation ways that lead to -proposed being enabled [09:08] Habbie: nope, I just assume he enabled it in the software-properties gui [09:08] ack [09:08] yeah [09:08] i think we learned this week that that process needs more friction and text [09:08] no default install enables it [09:09] Habbie: well, as long as people don't read, nothing really helps. I mean just look at Linus (LTT) destroying his pop install, because he can't read [09:10] didn't see that, but i believe you [09:11] Habbie: i mean we are talking about the (now patched) confirmation of "YES I want to remove all necessary packages for a gui" [09:11] oh no [09:11] welp. one less person on linux xD === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [09:20] Are there no netboot.tar.gz for ubuntu 22.04? Cant find it anywhere. [09:23] sultand: they were deprecated in 20.04 [09:23] so you cant pxe install 22.04 ? [09:24] sultand: i'm not sure how maas does it, maybe look into it [09:24] maas? [09:25] sultand: https://maas.io/ [09:25] it's a deployment system which uses pxe boot [09:27] Hey, not specifically ubuntu related, but still... Could anyone recommend me a linux program for offline map and GPS? Like if you're driving in a car with a USB GPS dongle and a laptop (yes, a laptop, not Garmin or mobile phone), but no internet connection, you can see your location on a map? [09:27] defiant: other question, why does it have to be a laptop in comparison to a phone? [09:27] murmel: because the circumstances require it [09:28] defiant: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap_offline [09:30] heh [09:30] "The most basic way to use OpenStreetMap offline is to export an image or PDF of an area and optionally print it out." [09:30] :) [09:31] seems like going oldschool [09:34] ty murmel. How does anyone else auto install ubuntu 22? [09:34] sultand: are we talking server or desktop? [09:35] server [09:35] min installation [09:36] !discuss [09:36] Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [09:36] maas or a autoinstall usb stick, where the ip gets populated in an ipam system for inventory and ansible [09:36] lets divide discussions with support issues please guys [09:36] cant be a usb stick. We install VMS [09:37] I think people are using the server.iso and cloud-init nowadays, I haven't used it though [09:37] let's go to -discuss [09:37] Have a look at https://netboot.xyz/ as well, it might support the latest ubuntu [09:38] "netbooting ubuntu" isn't a support question?! [09:38] im not a mod *shrug* [09:39] sultand: so why wouldn't maas fit then? [09:40] lotuspsychje: Pretty sure that asking for help auto-installing Ubuntu Server is a support question. [09:41] i was talking general arraybolt3[m] its a bit thin red line discussions, software reccomends etc [09:43] sultand, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510 [09:43] ogra, I think that's the one that got deprecated and removed in 22.04 [09:44] E.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/pxelinux.0 doesn't exist (replaced focal with jammy from the how-to URL) [09:44] sultand, also https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/automated-server-installs/16612 [09:46] images are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/jammy/ [09:46] ugh, yeah let's push a 1.4G iso to every machine (vm) that needs to be installed :/ [09:46] alkisg, yeah legacy is legacy 😉 [09:48] murmel, if that concrns you, you can always use MAAS with the cloud images (they are 50MB or some such) [09:48] *concerns [09:48] ogra: that's why I use maas as much as possible, not always. (that's why the usb stick with autoinstall) [09:48] 😄 [09:49] ogra: only annoying part is that the machine has to be booted like 3 times to get to a system (as it actually turns it off, in comparison to reboot) [09:49] smells like a bug TBH [09:50] afaik no, as we are talking here about years being it like that [09:50] this is lovely BTW https://jimangel.io/posts/automate-ubuntu-22-04-lts-bare-metal/ [09:50] (i really love the drawings 🙂 ) [09:50] ogra: what I really don't understand, the first time it puts the new machine in an inventory, and turns off, then the next boot it inventories it again (plus does something else, can't remember) [09:51] wow :) === jess is now known as jess-o-lantern === jess-o-lantern is now known as jess === popey1 is now known as popey [10:41] anyone know how to make this keyboard configuration persistent? I run from a VM, and when I disconnect and reconnect, the keyboard config will have reset [10:41] https://pastebin.com/pbjZBRJc [10:42] difficulty is that it uses 'xcape' tool. If it was just setxkbmap and xmodmap, I know how to do it [10:46] purplealgae, have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" (which is the default way to configure keayboards in ubuntu) ? [10:52] ah I didn't know about that, thanks [10:52] doesn't look like it will be quite what I need, but always good to know whats available [10:55] sorry got disconnected. https://jimangel.io/posts/automate-ubuntu-22-04-lts-bare-metal/ this looks like it is a usb installer [10:56] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/automated-server-installs/16612 this is for ubuntu 20 [10:58] sultand, yes, the default changed in 20.04 ... most of the doc should still apply for 22.04 [10:59] purplealgae, it sets the options in /etc/default/keyboard ... you can edit that file by hand and add more as needed === popey7 is now known as popey [11:16] Hello there ! I've a problem for installing Ubuntu. I'm blocked by a "RTS" problem. And I can't disable it by the BIOS. To check if I can install a linux system, I've used my tiny arch key, installed a tiny arch : i can boot on it. Is there a way to install ubuntu from this arch ? [11:16] It's not for me, it's for a new linux user friend of mine [11:16] lhp22: Easiest solution would be to go into the BIOS and see if you can change the hard drive mode from RAID to AHCI. [11:17] (Note that this will render any existing installation of Windows on the drive unbootable, so if you're going for dual-boot, don't do that.) [11:17] Oh, wait, you just said... ok nevermind. [11:18] There is no more W10 on this computer (that's the point, by which I couldn't disable RTS anymore) [11:18] *Sigh.* Sadly you're not the first person to run into this. Arch, for some reason, is able to install to these kinds of systems in some instances, while Ubuntu might not be able to install in the same instances. If you stick around, someone else might know some tricks to make it work, but you may be stuck having to install Arch, or possibly install Ubuntu in a virtual machine. [11:18] lhp22, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-with-intel-r-rst-enabled/15347 [11:19] there are various solutions in that thread (towards the end) [11:20] lhp22: What computer is this? Maybe RST *can* be turned off and someone here can find the right setting to do so. [11:23] arraybolt3: I've tried so many keyboard combinations. The bios is InsydeH20 F.58 ; the laptop is HP Laptopt 17-by0xxx [11:24] ogra: ookay, it seems like an ocean but I look at [11:24] ogra: but it seems to me that this thread is for computer which has still a W installed [11:25] Maybe it's possible to flash bios from an arch system ? [11:26] lhp22: OK so you can't get into BIOS at all? [11:26] arraybolt3: i can, but not the advance options. I can't even disable secure boot [11:27] Yeah, it looks pretty extremely basic. [11:27] Your best bet here may be to install Ubuntu onto an external USB flash drive if none of the solutions in there help. [11:29] arraybolt3: I keep in mind this solution, but I would like to avoid [11:30] I've just found it : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [11:31] Or, other things : is there possible to launch the ubuntu installation key from the archlinux system ? [11:31] *key = usb drive [11:34] lhp22, the mini.iso has never been a supported ubuntu install method (it was a by-product of building other stuff, installing with it gets you a debian-configured install that uses ubuntu packages ... i.e. an unsupportable frankenstein system) [11:35] (though since it is gone completely nowadays thats a moot point i guess ... just dont waste time searching for it, it does not exist anymore) [11:36] i try something with debootstrap [11:37] you could try an ubuntu base tarball .. [11:37] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/ [11:37] this is essentially a basic debootstrap based tarball [11:38] try to follow it : https://blog.domainmess.org/post/arch_ubuntu_install/ [11:38] ogra: but I keep it [11:40] lhp22, that articles is utter nonsense ... if you cn boot an arch USB key to call debootsrap t install to the internal drive. you can do the very same with the ubuntu installer [11:41] ogra: it's not my fault if the ubuntu installer has a problem with RST and not arch installer [11:41] lhp22, well, that guy is using a USB key with arch on it to boot the HW to then call debootstrap ... thais is nonsense as you can do the same from an ubuntu USB key and actually et the *right* tools ... not some arch version of them [11:42] ogra: oh, i can do it from the live cd indeed [11:42] yeah 🙂 [11:45] and when using an ubuntu usb key, you can just wget the base tarball and extract it to te partiton on the internal disk ... no need for debootstrap at all [11:46] that way you are at leas half way close to what an actual ubuntu install gives you ... [11:48] ogra: not sure to understand what you mean by "tarball" [11:49] lhp22, what i pointed you to above .. [11:49] lhp22, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/ [11:49] lhp22: It's basically a compressed archive containing a minimal "core" of Ubuntu. You can mount stuff into folders in it, then chroot in and install extra packages on top of it, which should hopefully give you a working Ubuntu system. [11:49] grab a tarball from there [11:50] "Tarball" = "a bunch of files archived using `tar` and then compressed". [11:50] lhp22, boot a usb ubuntu ... use wget to download the tarball, partition the internal disk, mount your future rootfs to /mnt and extract the tarball to /mnt ... [11:51] ok. Sorry, was mistaken [11:51] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/22.04.1/release/ has the latest [11:51] (and thanks for help and patience) [11:51] You also will probably need to create and mount the EFI partition before you can get the system bootable. [11:51] his is what we are here for 😉 [11:51] *this [11:52] So, like, mount the rootfs to /mnt, extract the tarball to /mnt, then do "mkdir -p /mnt/boot/efi", mount the EFI system partition to /mnt/boot/efi, and then continue from there. [11:52] for the boot, I think I'll grub-mkconfig from arch side [11:53] eeek, dont [11:53] chroot in and install the GRUB package [11:53] From within Ubuntu [11:53] righ [11:53] t [11:53] Ah yes, need to install grub in ubuntu too, mb [11:53] dont use freign bootloaders for a distro [11:53] *foreign [11:54] At this point ? ok [11:54] (never did this level of black magic) [11:54] It's like an Arch install, Ubuntu style. [11:54] Yes, it's what I want, but without the wiki :'D [11:54] each distro has its own configuration, you dont want to use a grub.cfg created with arch tools for ubuntu [11:54] A lot of what you'll be doing will feel similar to an Arch installation. But you can do everything from the Ubuntu live USB. [11:55] if you know what you are doing you can merge your boot loader configuration [11:55] (packages and upgrade scripts expect certain things in the config that migth make i.e. your kernel updates fail if they are not there) [11:55] rob0: I don't know what I'm doing enough [11:55] :) [11:56] I do it, and come back here [11:56] just chroot into the extracted tarball partition and use the normal grub-install and update-grub tools from ubuntu [11:56] using a separate grub is fine [11:56] (you might need to mount the EFI partition here though<) [11:58] ogra: I think the wiki for grub on arch give instructions that work for from ubuntu (grub-install and grub-mkconfig) [11:59] well, ubuntu does never use grub-mkconfig directly ... [11:59] grub-mkconfig works, but update-grub is more commonly used. [11:59] arraybolt3: don't know update-grub, i'll see [11:59] it also uses grub-shim as first stage loader and then chainloads other grub binaries [11:59] not sure arch even remotely does that [12:00] 'D really follow the ubuntu processes and not mix and mesh with foreign distros ... this will surely cause issues further down the road [12:00] *i'd [12:01] (especially update-gub is used by a bunch of packages, so yu want to make sure it is set up properly and works to not make these packages fail on update or install) [12:08] ogra: i just have to "update-grub" instread of "grub-mkconfig -o grub.cfg" ? [12:09] Ok, I've rtfmed myself, and find "update-grub is a stub for running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg to generate a grub2 config file". Ok. x) [12:13] lhp22, right, it generated the input file to grub-mkconfig from various snippets [12:14] (and then calls grub-mkconfig in the end) [12:14] *generates [12:22] Hi all [12:31] ok, now, I'm chrooted with the efi partition mounted [12:31] (sorry, took time, needed to resetup an ubuntu key) [12:32] ogra: ^ [12:32] strange, that chroot env doesn't see my ethernet connection [12:32] (I'd pick up from here but I don't know what I'm doing exactly so) [12:32] lhp22: Oh that's easy to fix. You're in the chroot, right? [12:33] The problem is gamja disconnected me, so I lost our conversations >.<" [12:33] lhp22: If so, run "mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak". [12:33] arraybolt3: i'm in, yes [12:33] lhp22: Then exit the chroot, and run "cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf". [12:33] lhp22: Then re-enter the chroot and you should be good to go. [12:33] (Note that this is a hacky way of doing this, and we'll need to undo this later using the resolv.conf.bak file.) [12:33] right, you want a temporary resolv.conf in place (remove it when you are done though !!!) [12:34] install "linux-generic" to get a kernel ... that should also call update-grub from its post-install script [12:35] the resolv.conf didn't work [12:35] you might also want to call grub-install with the right runes for your disk [12:35] can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? [12:35] from the no chroot yes [12:35] and from the chroot ? [12:35] from the chroot, no, ping isn't installed [12:35] heh [12:36] kay ... [12:36] but "apt update" fails [12:36] Can't fetch [12:36] yeah [12:36] What directories did you bind-mount into the chroot? [12:36] add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" as the only line to your /etc/resolv.conf [12:36] then see if it works [12:36] indeed, i've no resolv.conf file [12:36] else you are missing other stuff [12:36] You're supposed to do something like "sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc" and stuff like that from outside the chroot before chrooting. [12:36] The full list is: [12:37] you can do that from the inside too [12:37] Ah yes, forgot the bindings [12:37] sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys && sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts [12:37] mount -t proc proc /proc [12:37] That's probably the problem. [12:37] mount -t sysfs sys /sysfs [12:37] mount -t devtmpfs dev /dev [12:37] use these three commands inside the chroot [12:38] ogra: with the command givne byt arraybolt3 ? [12:38] lhp22: Use ogra's commands. [12:38] no, that is the same but from outside the chroot [12:39] use either or 🙂 [12:39] (Just not both. :P) [12:39] well, both wont do harm either ... [12:39] virtual filesystems dont care if they are double mounted at the same place 🙂 [12:40] (umount does care indeed, you'd need to unmount twice to) [12:40] arraybolt3's commands arn't enough, still no internet connexion [12:40] ogra: My head is spinning... [12:40] did you edit resolv.conf ? [12:40] (or create) [12:40] ... with the one line i gave above [12:42] ogra: got it ! [12:42] great 🙂 [12:43] so apt update ... apt install linux-generic [12:43] linux-generic is a package for kernel ? [12:43] (probably also "apt install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard" to get all the basic bity in place) [12:44] it is the metapackage for ubuntu kernels ... it pulls in all the other bits needed [12:44] I wanted to look for these commands, thanks for giving >.> [12:44] ogra: oh shit, what a spare [12:45] It's a powerfull package [12:45] ah YES. I see all what it installs [12:46] great [12:46] The "base" tarball was indeed basic [12:46] What does "--bind" option indeed ? [12:46] right, "just enugh to run apt" [12:47] And with apt, world is ours ! *insert an emoji* [12:47] --bind basically tells Linux "Here's where a directory is, make it also appear over here, too." [12:47] The "--bind" is just some magic to create a virtual equivalent ? [12:47] Ok >.> [12:47] So "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" makes /mnt/dev look like /dev. [12:48] I wanted to take time to learn how works chroot. So ... [12:48] The main following step : ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-base and grub-update ? [12:49] grub-install before grub-update maybe [12:49] the kernel package install should already call update-grub [12:49] so you should have a working config after the install finished [12:50] So, If i like bets, I could reboot and see if I can boot ? [12:50] what you still need to do is grub-install with the correct target to install to your disk [12:50]