[03:17] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb, @guiverc: Scam ^
[03:17] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb, @guiverc: Another scam ^
 orbital nuked on Telegram
 y'all seem to forget I have telegram admin power too xD
[03:28]  * guiverc just flags when I don't have the power
[03:28] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: Thanks. (Yep, /me forgot.)
[03:29]  * arraybolt3[m] overnights a black hole's worth of espresso to teward's house
 hah
[03:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (In the unlikely event you have admin power over in #kde-devel:kde.org, too, the same bots are pestering them.)
 E:NOACCESS on KDE
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> :(
 yeah i'm not a big KDE person
 and i'm not in all the matrix channels either, i just have orbital nuke on Telegram :P
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> One or both of us needs to get simultaneous jobs at Libera, Element, and Telegram.
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Then we can orbital nuke everywhere :D
 *becomes Ruler of the World, and therefore everyone must obey, or suffer the consequences*
 *sips booz*
[03:33] <arraybolt3[m]> OK that may be a little overkill.
[03:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't think that story ends well when one of us decides to get into a sparring match with the black hole projector.
 you mean THIS black hole projector?  *holds up the BHP*
 *paints @tsimonq2 's location with a black hole using the BHP*
 aaaaaaaanyways.  i only stopped on to burn the spam.. *goes back to the shadows*
[03:39] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[13:40] <tsimonq2> Good morning. Finally all back, settled, and refreshed from my work trip earlier this week.
[13:41] <tsimonq2> teward: uhhhh I can try again, last time I was interrupted in the middle of it and didn't get the chance to go back
[13:41] <RikMills> please try vlc with some mp4 files ;)
[13:41]  * RikMills runs off
[13:41] <tsimonq2> anyway
[13:41] <tsimonq2> when I say things have been chaotic I meant it ;)
[13:42] <tsimonq2> yeah? is it broken?
[13:42] <RikMills> in a vm yes on the sample mp4s I tried. and on a hardware live session for me.
[13:43] <RikMills> but confirmation on a real installed system would be good
[13:43] <RikMills> currently I don't have a kinetic one
[13:44] <tsimonq2> oic
[13:44] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Bug report anywhere I can read backlog on?
[13:45] <RikMills> not yet. if someone will confirm, I will make one
[13:45] <tsimonq2> well I just confirmed something is wrong on my freshly-installed real Kinetic hardware
[13:45] <tsimonq2> I just don't know precisely what I'm looking at
[13:47] <RikMills> nor do I. search the command line error hasn't provided much insight
[13:47] <RikMills> *searching
[13:47] <RikMills> vlc usually spews many warnings
[13:48] <RikMills> anyway, now I know it is not some weird VM thing, I can report it later
[13:49] <RikMills> thanks :)
[13:53] <RikMills> I am tempted to blame ffmpeg5 ;)
[13:53] <RikMills> but dragon-player that uses libvlc as a backend works, so not so clear
 Lubuntu or Kubuntu - maybe both? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <RikMills> please try vlc with some mp4 files ;))
[15:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: vlc doesn't use ffmpeg5, so it can't be that.
[15:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> it has its own code library (libvlc)
[15:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's probably a problem in the frontend.
[15:36] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: vlc build depends on the ffmpeg -dev packages
[15:36] <RikMills> but yes, the front end is likely the issue
[15:38] <RikMills> in fact, the last rebuild of vlc in the archive was a no change rebuild by steve against the new ffmpeg libs
[15:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Does mplayer still work? Might help uncover if it's ffmpeg's fault or not. (But Dragon Player still works so...)
[15:41] <RikMills> the forum post that alerted me to this says that mpv using things are still still ok
[15:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I can say this: per my testing, it doesn't matter if it's DE or X11 or Wayland, MP4 doesn't work on VLC.
[15:41] <RikMills> indeed
[15:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is there a bug report yet?
[15:42] <RikMills> no, as I didn't want to do it from a VM
[15:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> I did it from actual hardware.
[15:43] <arraybolt3[m]> I have a Kinetic install right here, lemme try and help confirm too.
[15:44] <RikMills> that is what we need, as VM video is dodgy at best anyway, and could have irrelevant error messages
[15:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (Is it OK that the system I have here is Xubuntu Core? It's made by a Xubuntu developer, and is essentially Xubuntu but with almost no preinstalled apps, so it's tiny. Not sure if using an unofficial flavor for this test is OK or not, though I suspect it is.)
[15:47] <RikMills> it shouldn't matter for testing
[15:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer, RikMills: I'm getting audio but no video even with a .ogv file here.
[15:47] <arraybolt3[m]> So it's not MP4 specific.
[15:48] <RikMills> sigh
[15:48] <RikMills> thanks
[15:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Whoa that's weird. I closed VLC and opened it again and now it's working.
[15:48]  * RikMills raises eyebrow
[15:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Just after I installed mplayer for testing.
[15:49] <RikMills> curious
[15:49]  * arraybolt3[m] removes mplayer and autoremoves to see what happens.
[15:49] <RikMills> have to go for a bit
[15:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Sigh, nope, now it's just working. :/
[15:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Weird...
[15:50] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, pulling an mp4 from Pexels.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Cannot duplicate.
[15:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK so on my (slow) laptop that I'm trying this on, when I open an MP4, I get a black screen and various odd behavior with the window size, but when I close VLC, I see a flash of the video just before the window vanishes.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's exactly what I see.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> On my (incredibly fast) computer.
[15:54]  * arraybolt3[m] still wonders what was up with that .ogv a bit ago, but at least we can duplicate mp4 problems
[15:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> My MP4 might be shoddy, I can't make it open in dragon player even.
[15:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Upon closing the .ogv, I see a black screen flash in a totally different location of my screen just before VLC closes. So something seems wrong here.
[15:57] <arraybolt3[m]> I just use a drone video off Pexels, I have one that plays in Dragon Player without issues but fails on VLC.
[15:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I see a ton of "chain filter error: Too high level of recursion (3)" in the logs of VLC.
[15:58] <arraybolt3[m]> And also "main filter error: Failed to create video converter"
[15:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm using a friend of mine's vod from Twitch. Same issue.
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> And also "co located POCs unavailable"
[15:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm investigating the package from Debian.
[16:00] <arraybolt3[m]> That last one I keep getting tons of over and over.
[16:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Multimedia team maintained (which I'm technically part of).
[16:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like it's the latest version, per videolan.org
[16:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just tested the snap, it works.... 🙄
[16:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Imma try a no-change rebuild in my PPA (grasping at straws)
[16:07]  * arraybolt3[m] takes a swing at building from source
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> My changelog entry: "No-change rebuild against anything" KEK
[16:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Now, I know the reason why the snap works: It was built against ffmpeg4.
[16:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, so my test on Jammy isn't going to work, it's on ffmpeg4.
[16:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Correct.
[16:11] <arraybolt3[m]> And no way am I making my Chromebook build anything from source with its speed.
[16:11]  * arraybolt3[m] checks for a Kinetic VM already installed
[16:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait I have a Debian Sid VM, that might be even better.
[16:12] <arraybolt3[m]> (If it survives an apt upgrade that is.)
[16:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oof best of luck.
[16:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, SUPPOSEDLY vlc supports ffmpeg 5: https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/merge_requests/1245
[16:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm... except for VAAPI?
[16:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, VAAPI is undergoing some patent troll stuff.
[16:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe that's the problem, is it trying to use VAAPI when it shouldn't?
[16:19]  * arraybolt3[m] hopes the US joins with the EU in saying "no you can't patent software", this codec nonsense is insane
[16:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (But whatever, that's off-topic.)
[16:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, that lovely feeling as you watch various LXQt components get removed during the upgrade and you really really hope that's because they're about to be replaced :P
[16:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope, looks like Debian Sid just nuked LXQt. Sigh. Well at least I know how to use the terminal and I might still be left with Trinity Desktop Environment (let's hope).
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Shoulda' looked at the list of packages to be removed.)
[16:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> My mock "no-change rebuild" was unsuccessful.
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, so now that I've shredded my VM, let's try to install VLC. 🙃
[16:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Same symptoms on Debian Sid as on Ubuntu Kinetic, though slightly different errors in the terminal.
[17:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have the feeling this is going to be a bug report and a release note. I'm not seeing any bug reports in Debian that match this, so this will need to be reported in Debian as well.
[17:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Send the link to the report, I'll help confirm it.
[17:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (Whenever it's written.)
[17:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> I haven't written it. sigh And as I think about it, I probably should.
[17:46] <arraybolt3> You want me to?
[17:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Being the de-facto multimedia guy for Ubuntu and all....
[17:46] <arraybolt3> Either way. I'm available if you need help.
[17:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you could do the Debian one, that would be awesome.
[17:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then I could link to that from the Launchpad bug report I'll write.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> OK. I'll see if I can wrangle it (I've never reported a Debian bug before).
[17:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, it's easy. There's even a command for it.
[17:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[17:49] <arraybolt3> I found that, just booting up the Debian VM so I do it from there and have the best chance of success. (My upgrade nuked LXQt for reasons unknown to me, but TDE survived so \o/)
[17:54] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: Does reportbug allow me to export the final bug report text as a text file and then send it with GMail?
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I think so.
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: One last thing, while I was making the bug report, it said that the debug log from VLC would be handy, so I made one according to its directions. Should I attach the contents of the log inline with the rest of the email? It's 183.4 KB file.
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not sure if Debian actually wants me to do that, or if that's detrimental like it sorta sounds like.)
[18:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm not sure, to be honest.
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll err on the side of caution and say "I have a debug log available, but it's 183.4 KB, so I didn't include it for fear of messing anyone up, if you'd like me to send it, let me know."
[18:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have LP: #1991418 if you'd like to comment there and add it as an attachment.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Will do. (Strange, reportbug didn't request any authentication info or anything, it just... sent the bug. (I forgot to say anything about the debug log 🤣))
[18:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Automagic.
[18:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Did you get a debian bug number?
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Not yet, they said within the hour.
[18:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah.
[18:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Commented and confirmed Ubuntu bug.
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (It's always a bit scary to me when thing work automagically when I would have expected that I would need a password or something. :P)
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Woot, got the bug number!
[18:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nice!
[18:29] <arraybolt3[m]> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1021032
[18:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I got the email.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> (debian multimedia team member privs)
[18:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, nice.
[18:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Uh, should I put the link in the Launchpad bug or are you doing that already?
[18:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (I don't know how to add bug watches, if I can.)
[18:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can do it.
[18:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Done.
[18:36] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, and now I just attached the debug log.
[18:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (Figuring stuff out!)
 FYI: rebooting the infra at OVH
 because (err: SLOW SHIT)
 (sorry i'm aggravated after trying to access it for over an hour, that one slipped)