[00:15] <howudodat> origintopleft: ok, results and some config are here: https://pastebin.com/vcSTMe40
[00:15] <howudodat> spun up a new guest machine on proxmox to use for testing
[01:01] <ice9> what are the default fonts packages in a fresh installation of 22.04?
[01:02] <howudodat> ok, I was able to get it to write, but only by adding: file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,gid=users to the fstab entry
[01:05] <Haematophage> tomreyn, my apologies.
[01:10] <tomreyn> Haematophage: no need - but if you could stabilize your nickname in the future, that'd be great.
[01:12] <smallville7123> MACHINE=arm doesnt work for makefile
[01:14] <tomreyn> smallville7123: if you're hoping to get assistence with this, you'll want to provide a lot more detail.
[01:14] <smallville7123> And
[01:14] <smallville7123> cc1: error: unknown value ‘arm’ for ‘-march’
[01:14] <smallville7123> cc1: note: valid arguments are: armv8-a armv8.1-a armv8.2-a armv8.3-a armv8.4-a armv8.5-a armv8.6-a armv8-r native
[01:14] <tomreyn> !paste | smallville7123
[01:15] <smallville7123> im using ubuntu aarch64 chroot and i need to cross compile for a 32 bit system
[01:17] <smallville7123> but i also need to compile for a 32 bit host
[02:18] <smallville7123> E: Unable to locate package glibc:armel
[02:18] <smallville7123> E: Unable to locate package glibc:armhf
[02:18] <smallville7123> How do i install armhf libc (32 bit arm)
[02:21] <castlegate> Any suggestions?  Looking for an apt repository proxy where I can do "snapshots" for various lifecycles (eg. Dev/Testing/Staging/Prod) like Foreman does.
[02:23] <tomreyn> smallville7123: libc6
[02:23] <tomreyn> smallville7123: and it's arm64 + armhf
[02:24] <smallville7123> yea :)
[02:25] <tomreyn> castlegate: #ubuntu-mirrors or #ubuntu-server may have suggestions. or you could look at how snapshot.debian.org works.
[03:47] <castlegate> tomreyn: thanks for the suggestions!  I'll check them out :^)
[04:08] <elze> hi
[05:28] <bsmith0931> Test
[05:28] <Bashing-om> bsmith0931: Good :)
[06:32] <lvsmmusic> do we have a seperate channel for hardware enablement?
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> lvsmmusic: not specialy for ubuntu i think, just for general hardware
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> lvsmmusic: maybe ask your question here, see if we can help or forward you somewhere
[06:33] <lvsmmusic> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-61-Logitech-Hi-Res-Scroll
[06:33] <lvsmmusic> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=908d325e1665b2781085580070554cbbe5fc3c89
[06:33] <lvsmmusic> can that patch be backported to 5.x kernel?
[06:33] <lvsmmusic> like cherry picking?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> not sure they will backport that, but we do have an #ubuntu-kernel channel where they maybe can answer that properly lvsmmusic
[06:34] <lvsmmusic> nice!
[06:35] <lvsmmusic> I will ask them
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> being saturday, you might wanna idle there a bit
[06:35] <lvsmmusic> oh ya
[06:35] <lvsmmusic> may I should try on monday then?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> you can try right now, see what happens
[06:36] <lvsmmusic> lotuspsychje: will kernel v6 be available for 22.04.x ?
[06:36] <lvsmmusic> lotuspsychje: ok
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> lvsmmusic: checking ubuntu's !mainline kernel are up to 6.0 right now
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> so not sure yet, wich release 6.1 will come to
[06:37] <lvsmmusic> ok
[06:39] <lvsmmusic> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the support, have a nice weekend, see you later
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome lvsmmusic the same to you!
[08:03] <murmel> lvsmmusic: 5.19 will be in 22.10 so it should be with the next release 23.04 should bring something 6.x (talking about these releases as the kernels are being brought to 22.04)
[08:31] <xatrix> Hi guys, can you advice ? How can i setup my video drivers? I installed em from ppa:oibaf . Currently i have no GLX and my radeontop utility says i have 100% load of GPU and my laptop cooler runs max. https://imgur.com/rt9P5Zb.png
[08:32] <murmel> xatrix: honest question, why do you even care about newer mesa releases with that old hardware?
[08:35] <xatrix> I suppose modern drivers, should get fixes and other things for the old hardware
[08:36] <xatrix> And it shuould run smoothly than a dated drivers
[08:36] <murmel> xatrix: I mean do you have issues with your gpu?
[08:36] <xatrix> I just upgraded from 20.04 -> 22.04 and my system broke :)
[08:36] <murmel> especially with older hardware, there are basically no gains when using a newer driver
[08:36] <murmel> xatrix: did you have oibaf on 20.04?
[08:37] <xatrix> I don't remember but yes.
[08:38] <murmel> xatrix: then it makes sense, as oibaf has newer packages than 22.04, and as oibaf gets disabled when upgrading *shrug*
[08:38] <xatrix> Is it a problem ? To have recent drivers ? Sorry for my english , i'm not native
[08:38] <murmel> xatrix: no, but you should have removed the packages (going back to 20.04 packages) then upgrading and then installing oibaf packages again
[08:39] <xatrix> I suppose ubuntu upgader should disable everything unsupported during upgrade
[08:39] <xatrix> Just need to fix this crappy laptop :)
[08:39] <xatrix> please advice
[08:39] <xatrix> I can send you a Xorg.0.log
[08:40] <murmel> xatrix: yes it does, but because the oibaf packages are newer than 22.04, it won't downgrade to the official packages
[08:40] <murmel> xatrix: try to install oibaf packages for jammy?
[08:40] <xatrix> https://paste.debian.net/1255604/
[08:40] <murmel> as ppas are not supported here, I can only guess. especially when running nightlies, not stable mesa releases
[08:41] <xatrix> i think i have stable, do i?
[08:41] <murmel> no?
[08:41] <xatrix> and i have jammy oibaf
[08:41] <murmel> oibaf is always nightlies
[08:41] <xatrix> ah
[08:42] <xatrix> didn't know it
[08:42] <murmel> this is the error, so very likely that upstream has a bug, or oibaf packages are broken (EE) Failed to load module "amdgpu" (module does not exist, 0)
[08:42] <xatrix> then i can purge oibaf and install from deb https://repo.radeon.com/amdgpu/22.20/ubuntu jammy main
[08:42] <xatrix> but i'm not sure it can help
[08:43] <xatrix> i suppose my hardware should run radeon driver instead of amdgpu
[08:44] <murmel> xatrix: honestly you think way too much about driver releases. I would definitely just use the jammy packages, as we are maybe talking about 1-2% performance difference
[08:45] <murmel> xatrix: there shouldn't be a reason why you want to install amdgpu-pro (the repo you posted)
[08:46] <xatrix> No problem. It's not critical for me. Just need to get my video runs good. Because of i have my cooler runs at maximum ,and some of my apps, which use GLX, doesn't want to run
[08:47] <murmel> xatrix: you mean with the default packages or oibaf?
[08:48] <xatrix> Actully it doesn't make sens for me :) I just want a stable work.
[08:48] <xatrix> Nothing special
[08:48] <murmel> yeah so remove oibaf and be happy
[08:49] <xatrix> Ok, no problem. How can i get rid of?
[08:49] <xatrix> How can i downgrade
[08:49] <murmel> xatrix: use ppa-purge which should do it automatically when removing the ppa
[09:08] <xatrix> murmel: i've removed ppa:oibaf, what can i do now ?
[09:08] <murmel> xatrix: did it also remove the packages which were installed from oibaf?
[09:12] <xatrix> Sounds if
[09:12] <xatrix> How can i check it  ?
[09:13] <xatrix> murmel,
[09:15] <murmel> xatrix: check which mesa package is installed
[09:15] <xatrix> murmel: https://imgur.com/IqKLonT.png
[09:16] <murmel> xatrix: apt policy mesa-vulkan-drivers should show you 22.0.5
[09:16] <murmel> installed
[09:17] <murmel> additionally, why did you add the radeon.com repo oO
[09:17] <xatrix> OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4400 (HSW GT2)
[09:17] <xatrix>     v: 4.6 Mesa 22.0.5
[09:17] <xatrix> it's maybe my experiments with dkms drivers
[09:17] <xatrix> witch should be compiled first
[09:18] <xatrix> i can remove em as well
[09:18] <murmel> remove the radeon driver repo, as it's unneeded (for most people)
[09:19] <xatrix> how can i list packages installed from radeon repo ? to remove em as well ?
[09:19] <murmel> xatrix: dpkg doesn't track that, you would need to remove the repo, and then see which packages have no links to repos
[09:20] <murmel> so after removing repo + apt update, you can "apt list --installed | grep installed,local"
[09:20] <xatrix> got it
[09:20] <murmel> to see which you have installed but have no repo
[09:22] <xatrix> murmel: take a look please, https://imgur.com/zRVT5Ou.png
[09:24] <murmel> xatrix: oof, you have quite the frankenubuntu or whatever it's called.
[09:25] <murmel> first I would definitely "relink" the packages you need, so I assume those are skype,teamviewer,code,virtualbox,viber
[09:26] <xatrix> Yea, but now, i have to fix my video system. Can i manage teamviewer,skype...etc, later on ?
[09:28] <murmel> xatrix: so I just remove the packages then which belong to the amdgpu-pro driver or oibaf
[09:28] <murmel> eh you not I
[09:28] <xatrix> ok. i'll try now
[09:29] <xatrix> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:29] <xatrix>   amdgpu-core* amdgpu-dkms* amdgpu-install* libdrm-amdgpu-amdgpu1* libdrm-amdgpu-common* libdrm-amdgpu-radeon1* libdrm2-amdgpu* libllvm14.0.50200-amdgpu*
[09:29] <xatrix>   mesa-amdgpu-va-drivers*
[09:29] <xatrix> I suppose it will be enough to get rid of :) ?
[09:29] <murmel> sounds okay
[09:30] <xatrix> alright i've done https://imgur.com/4WVTUhZ.png
[09:31] <murmel> nice, verify that your gpu driver works then, incl glx
[09:32] <xatrix> Ok, got to reboot
[09:34] <xatrix> murmel: something broke now. take a look please
[09:36] <xatrix> https://paste.debian.net/1255607
[09:36] <xatrix> I don't know how to explain, but i have my window manager without borders, and my hotkeys don't work
[09:37] <murmel> i mean from what you pasted, the intel gpu drivers don't load
[09:37] <murmel> but there is nothing else to "decipher:
[09:37] <xatrix> https://paste.debian.net/1255608
[09:37] <xatrix> My xorg.log
[09:38] <xatrix> glxinfo gives me tons of errors
[09:39] <murmel> yeah you did something so that the amdgpu module isn't loaded anymore by xorg
[09:39] <murmel> I assume it was out of your own free will to use xorg not wayland?
[09:39] <xatrix> so, what can i do in this situation? reinstall oibaf ?
[09:40] <xatrix> wayland ? i didn't get what you mena
[09:40] <murmel> xatrix: can you post syslog?
[09:41] <xatrix> not sure it pasted, but can you check it ? http://paste/scsys.co.uk/657
[09:42] <murmel> xatrix: that's not a link
[09:42] <xatrix> my interface quite broken, so i can only use terminal and 'nopaste' command
[09:42] <xatrix> oh.sorry. http://paste.scsys.co.uk/657
[09:47] <xatrix> actuall i don't need amdgpu driver.
[09:47] <xatrix> How can i tell xorg not to load it
[09:50] <xatrix> murmel: if i add nomodeset to kernel line - i can load successfully. but my backlight control doesn't work
[09:50] <xatrix> and my radeontop utility says i have 100% GPU load
[09:51] <murmel> yeah there is definitely something going wrong.
[09:51] <xatrix> without nomodeset - my interface broken. but i still can load something simple
[09:51] <xatrix> [xatrix@MERNOV-NB ~]$ glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[09:51] <xatrix> OpenGL renderer string: llvmpipe (LLVM 13.0.1, 256 bits)
[09:51] <xatrix> it's with 'nomodeset'
[09:52] <xatrix> without - tons of errors
[09:53] <xatrix> murmel: take a look please, what is now
[09:53] <xatrix> https://imgur.com/elgg9sN.png
[09:53] <murmel> xatrix: nomodeset?
[09:53] <xatrix> yes
[09:54] <xatrix> if i run without nomodeset, GLX is broken
[09:56] <murmel> i mean makes sense that nomodeset disables gpu drivers ;). but on the other hand, I would suggest to reinstall
[12:01] <faLUKE> hello. I need a server on my PC where a friend can upload large files. what can I use which is EASY and QUICK to configure?
[12:03] <EriC^^> faLUKE: sftp?
[12:03] <faLUKE> EriC^^: I need a minimal setup
[12:04] <EriC^^> faLUKE: pretty minimal *shrug*
[12:25] <ArtfulDodger> Some package (gitlab-ce) is not yet avaible to 22.04 so I modified its ".list" to hit focal instead of jammy and it worked. I did the same for another package (gitlab-runner) but after "apt update", apt is still not able to find the package while it's actually available in 20.04 systems.
[12:26] <ArtfulDodger> I don't really get how versioning works. How come the first install worked but not the second since both are available in focal but not in jammy?
[12:28] <ducasse> faLUKE: sftp is probably your best choice, prety easy to set up
[12:29] <faLUKE> ducasse: right
[12:30] <ducasse> faLUKE: set it up to use keys for authentication, to add some security
[12:30] <ducasse> you can also run it in a chroot to not give them full acces to your system
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:06] <baby100b> HI
[13:07] <baby100b> i just need friends to talk and share here
[13:11] <respawn> baby100b: go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:58] <StephenLynx> so, this is the context of my question: ubuntu 20, xfce, chromium installed through snap.
[13:58] <StephenLynx> there is a launcher on xfce's panel for chromium. this launcher breaks when chromium updates.
[13:59] <StephenLynx> but seemingly fixes itself when a desktop shortcut for chromium is used.
[13:59] <StephenLynx> does that rings any bell?
[14:04] <tomreyn> StephenLynx: you could ask in #xubuntu (pointing out that you've installed ubuntu, then xfce somehow)
[14:04] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | StephenLynx
[14:06] <StephenLynx> "somehow"? it's just sudo apt install xfce4
[14:10] <tomreyn> StephenLynx: ok, it would be good to point this out. if you want the full functionality of a xubuntu desktop, you should probably install xubuntu-desktop, or at least see what elese it would install in addition to what you already have now, and may be missing.
[14:11] <StephenLynx> what is "full functionality" of xubuntu?
[14:11] <StephenLynx> isn't it just a DE?
[14:12] <tomreyn> it is an ubuntu flavor, providing a (customized) distribution of the xfce desktop and xfwm window manager.
[14:13] <StephenLynx> and is the xfce4 package expected to have the launchers breaking when the launched software updates through snap?
[14:14] <tomreyn> i do not know. maybe folks in #xubuntu would know, or reviewing the packages xubuntu-desktop would additionally install could tell.
[14:15] <StephenLynx> but I did not install xubuntu. I installed ubuntu and a new DE.
[14:21] <ogra> StephenLynx, snaps adhere to the XDG desktop standards, if the launcher icon disappears (which it does not on any other desktops), there must be a bug with XFCEs XDG compliance
[14:22] <ogra> (well, it disappears everywhere due to the nature of snaps, but should show up again a few seconds later when the update was done)
[15:05] <xipper> Can anyone recommend one of those services where you can sorta pastebin stuff from your terminal?
[15:05] <xipper> not pastebeing specifically, but there used to be one calle 0x00 or something like that
[15:05] <oerheks> termbin
[15:06] <oerheks> cat ~/some_file.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:07] <oerheks> i rather use paste.ubuntu.com, to get control over pasted notes ( read delete)
[15:07] <oerheks> but it needs an account
[15:23] <xipper> oerheks: thank you. The problem with termbin is the 9999 port
[15:23] <oerheks> oke
[15:25] <tomreyn> xipper: 0x0.st and ix.io. let's move to #ubuntu-offtopic if you have more questions on this.
[15:27] <xipper> tomreyn: thank you
 "but I did not install xubuntu. I..." <- Well, Ubuntu plus XFCE essentially qualifies as Xubuntu with regards to questions regarding XFCE, even if you didn't install the entire Xubuntu experience.
[18:11] <Guest77> hig uys
[18:11] <Guest77> Hi Guys
[18:11] <Guest77> Just wanted to review here, Xubuntu is pretty hard to use compared to Lubuntu
[18:12] <Guest77> I have to CLI unzip tar files, other distros unpack them automatically in GUI
[18:12] <hans_> let me get this straight: if i install Ubuntu LTS, i get 5 year updates. If i install Xubuntu LTS, i get 3 years updates. but if i install Xubuntu Server, and run "sudo tasksel install xubuntu-desktop", then i get 5 years updates?
[18:12] <oerheks> There is no '  Xubuntu Server'
[18:13] <hans_> err that didn't come out right
[18:13] <hans_> ill try again: let me get this straight: if i install Ubuntu LTS, i get 5 year updates. If i install Xubuntu LTS, i get 3 years updates. but if i install Ubuntu Server, and run "sudo tasksel install xubuntu-desktop", then i get 5 years updates?
[18:13] <oerheks> and no, xubuntu deskto gets 3 years, whatever the base; gnome or server
[18:14] <oerheks> 'ubuntu-support-status'  gives a clue about support time
[18:15] <Guest77> yeah
[18:15] <Guest77> If you install Ubuntu, you get 5 years
[18:15] <Guest77> You can isntall Ubuntu, then change the Desktop Environment
[18:15] <Guest77> install
[18:26] <tomreyn> That's a bit misleading, so here's another take at an explanation: Support durations refer to repositories and lists of packages really. All packages in main get 5 years of support. Most packages of other desktops are usually in universe, thus get support for as long as the MoTUs care about and the flavors promise to support them.
[18:35] <javier> ayuda para el serviddor de merida
[18:36] <javier> porfavor
[18:36] <oerheks> !es
[18:39] <javier> graacias
[18:47] <hans_> the firefox uninstaller seems broken:  apt install firefox; apt purge firefox; leaves /snap/bin/firefox  intact
[18:47] <hans_> and it even works! after the purge
[18:47] <hans_> on ubuntu 22.04
[18:48] <hans_> anyway.. how do i uninstall firefox?
[18:50] <oerheks> snap remove firefox
[18:51] <oerheks> and the folder with settings stays, so i guess you need --purge
[19:28] <allc0re> I'm following this guide: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/windows-ubuntu-hyperv-containers#7-run-an-ubuntu-container-on-hyperv but when I get to step 7 I get the error: no matching manifest for windows/amd64 10.0.22621 in the manifest list entries. Can someone help?
[19:31] <allc0re> nvm I got it. Had to turn on experimental features for docker engine
[19:31] <allc0re> ^ should update the guide to specify that.
[19:32] <oerheks> docker - windows issue ..
[19:47] <hans_> every time i install something, it ask me "which services do you want to restart?" and there's just 1 option and it often has nothing to do with the app im installing, how do i tell it to stop doing that? https://i.imgur.com/5qyCGRn.png
[19:48] <oerheks> hans_, what tool is this? githubtool that loads a newer kernel from mainline??
[19:49] <hans_> oerheks: apt
[19:49] <hans_> apt ask me that question every time i install anything
[19:49] <oerheks> not on my ubuntu..
[19:49] <oerheks> so, what linux is that?
[19:50] <hans_> here i installed Visual Studio Code, https://i.imgur.com/uI0kUEZ.png
[19:50] <hans_> oerheks: Ubuntu 22.04 installed from the server iso, https://ubuntu.hi.no/releases/22.04.1/ubuntu-22.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:50] <leftyfb> hans_: is this a docker image?
[19:51] <hans_> leftyfb: nope.
[19:51] <hans_> or are you asking what "networkd-dispatcher.service" is? cus idk, it was something the Ubuntu installer added by default
[19:52] <leftyfb> hans_: bamfdaemon
[19:52] <leftyfb> it's from bamfdaemon
[19:52] <oerheks> why is apt-utils not installed?
[19:52] <leftyfb> which I've never heard of and do not have installed on any desktop or server
[19:53] <oerheks> anyway, never seen this
[19:53] <leftyfb> hans_: you said your install is a server, but this bamfdaemon is clearly related to a desktop environment
[19:54] <hans_> i installed ubuntu from the server installer iso, then i did "sudo apt install xubuntu-core"
[19:54] <leftyfb> why not just install xubuntu?
[19:54] <hans_> and when it asked me if i wanted "full ubuntu server" or "minimal ubuntu server", i said minimal
[19:55] <hans_> leftyfb: if i install xubuntu then it gets configured to use the xubuntu mirrors, which stop security updates after 3 years. if i install xubuntu server + "sudo apt install xubuntu-core" then its configured to use normal Ubuntu repos which stop security updates after 5 years
[19:56] <leftyfb> uh
[19:56] <leftyfb> I don't think that's true
[19:56] <oerheks> There is no '  Xubuntu Server'
[19:56] <hans_> wfewfw
[19:56] <oerheks> and we discussed this..
[19:56] <hans_> sorry, i meant Ubuntu Server
[19:56] <leftyfb> I think after 3 years you stop getting updates for the xubuntu-related packages
[19:56] <oerheks> no, you get 3 years for the desktop
[19:56] <leftyfb> regardless of how you installed it
[19:56] <leftyfb> hans_: your "workaround" isn't
[19:57] <hans_> well i want 5 years of security updates for the kernel if i can get it
[19:57] <oerheks> some guest after that claimed otherwise
[19:57] <leftyfb> hans_: you will get that
[19:57] <leftyfb> hans_: regardless of which ubuntu you install
[19:58] <leftyfb> hans_: regardless, remove this bamfdaemon and you won't get those prompts anymore
[20:02] <Guest97> I'm trying to decide which OS uses less default resources, Xubuntu or Lubuntu?
[20:03] <oerheks> i think Lubuntu ..
[20:03] <oerheks> !flavors
[20:03] <Guest97> ldxe or xfce
[20:03] <leftyfb> Guest97: try them both and see which one works best for you
[20:03] <Guest97> lubuntu is easier
[20:03] <Guest97> better interface
[20:03] <oerheks> but that would be 100 mb or so..
[20:03] <Guest97> which is most lightweight
[20:04] <oerheks> as long as you have 4gb for 64 bit, you are fine
[20:04] <Guest97> yeah
[20:04] <ravage> once you start chromium or firefox that all really doesnt matter anymore. choose what you like best
[20:04] <Guest97> how much lighter is lububtu compared to ubuntu
[20:05] <leftyfb> Guest97: try them out. See which one performs better for you uses
[20:05] <Guest97> yes but statistically
[20:06] <leftyfb> Guest97: we don't have statistics and that is beyond the scope of this channel
[20:06] <leftyfb> Guest97: you can always ask for opinions in #ubuntu-offtpic
[20:07] <saltd> for windows answers
[20:07] <leftyfb> saltd: huh?
[20:07] <saltd> leftyfb hah
[20:07] <leftyfb> saltd: can we help you with something?
[20:08] <saltd> leftyfb yes call medics looks like i've losing my mind with these russian milk products
[20:08] <saltd> and call the police
[20:08] <leftyfb> saltd: trolling is offtopic here. Please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:08] <saltd> russia,st-petersburg rozenshteyna street 24-26
[20:09] <saltd> "trolling is offtopic here" man did u see channel where there was rules "trolling here
[20:09] <saltd> "
[20:09] <saltd> ???
[20:09] <leftyfb> saltd: please stop
[20:09] <saltd> 0xc000005
[20:09] <saltd> ok
[20:09]  * saltd stopping ...
[20:13]  * saltd stopped.
[21:06] <fizzled> Guys, can I roll back an install. I installed ubuntu server then upgraded it to Ubuntu desktop. Can I go back to server
[21:06] <Habbie> they're not really different things, they're just sets of packages you have or don't have
[21:06] <Habbie> so i'm sure you can go back
[21:06] <Habbie> but i don't know if there's some simple command for it
[21:07] <cbreak> apt remove? :)
[21:07] <cbreak> or maybe purge
[21:10] <oerheks> there are no restore points.
[21:15] <cbreak> unless you have snapshots on your zfs rood fs :)
[21:15] <fizzled> Well it seems to be removing stuff, lets see what happens
[21:15] <cbreak> (which requires having a zfs root fs in the first place)
[21:15] <oerheks> just set boot to multi target
[21:16] <oerheks> systemctl get-default # shows what is loaded
[21:17] <cbreak> https://www.systutorials.com/change-systemd-boot-target-linux/, interesting
[21:17] <oerheks> systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[21:17] <oerheks> vs graphical.target
[21:32] <fizzled> Package 'ubuntu-desktop' is not installed, so not removed
[21:32] <fizzled> I still have a basic gui
[21:33] <fizzled> odd
[21:33] <fizzled> Blue tabs
[21:34] <tomreyn> removing a package does not (necessarily) remove packages it depended on
[21:35] <cbreak> have you checked what apt autoremove tells you it'd remove?
[21:39] <fizzled> The list is long gnome etc, I'll just re-install it again I didn't have much on it that can't be put back in a few mins. Thanks everybody
[21:41] <cbreak> you don't need gnome
[21:41] <cbreak> it's only installed because you installed the desktop thing
[21:41] <cbreak> along with probably most of the rest of the things on that list
[21:41] <cbreak> autoremove removes things that were auto installed as dependency for some package, but aren't needed anymore
[21:42] <fizzled> Yeah i did still got the gui though odd
[21:52] <MannyLNJ> Hello. I need some help. I have /dev/sda paritioned for Windows 10 and Ubuntu /sda1 is my EFI /sda2 is MicosofReserved /sda3 and /sda4 is used by Windows and /sda5 is where Ubuntu lives. I can't get a boot menu to show up to allow me to choosean OS it just boots into Ubuntu can someone help me get dual boot working please
[21:54] <cbreak> MannyLNJ: have you considered installing a boot chooser like refind?
[21:54] <MannyLNJ> cbreak, I have no. No
[21:55] <cbreak> if you want, you can also configure grub to wait for you to select something else to boot
[21:55] <cbreak> it can continue to boot windows
[21:55] <cbreak> both options are viable.
[21:55] <MannyLNJ> cbreak, I thought I had configured grub for that but I don't get a grub screen
[21:56] <cbreak> check your /etc/default/grub
[21:56] <cbreak> what's the GRUB_TIMEOUT? and GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE?
[21:56] <MannyLNJ> Timeout is 10 and style is menu
[21:57] <cbreak> did you follow the comment in the start of the file?
[21:57] <cbreak> (running update-grub ?)
[21:57] <MannyLNJ> Yes I did that
[21:57] <MannyLNJ> I jyst installed refind let me reboot and see if that is loading now
[21:57] <cbreak> you might have to run refind-mkdefault first
[23:22] <bsmith09311> ping
[23:25] <Bashing-om> bsmith09311: pong
[23:51] <bsmith09311> ping
[23:53] <Bashing-om> ! ping | bsmith09311