[16:53] <Eickmeyer> *sigh* bug 1991418
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> I don't know why I even bother.
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> ...wow.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> I didn't think I was out-of-line at all.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> It wasn't even a warning, just a friendly reminder.
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> People don't ever like being told they did things wrong.
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Sure, but I mean, that was a clear overreaction.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Seems like they have other beef with Ubuntu, and I just pushed them over the edge.
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Sigh. And now I have an antagonistic crazy person fighting me over in Matrix HQ.
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, they do have a point about the packaging I guess. I'll take a look at it.
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> They do, and I addressed it.
[17:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Finally, after the marathon this has been, artwork has been uploaded to Kinetic.
[17:19] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[17:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-artwork (kinetic-proposed/universe) [22.10.1 => 22.10.2] (lubuntu)
[17:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> I sent a letter of apology regardless.
[17:49] <arraybolt3[m]> How concerned should I be that the VLC signing key is expired? I'm trying to build VLC from the Kinetic packaging and am in security paranoia mode.
[17:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Plus it has some warning about a SHA1 key when I go to build it.)
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> (And I can use GPG to verify it myself, but it gives me "key expired" warnings when I try to.)
[17:56] <RikMills> the comments in both bugs suggest to me that it you checkout the upstream git tag, bootstrap, and build with whatever the upstream wants as default options, it works
[17:57] <RikMills> pass the debian packaging build options to configure on the same thing, and the issue is there
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> So hopefully I just need to change the packaging build options to whatever upstream wants?
[17:58] <RikMills> or find the option debian is enabling that causes the issue
[17:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Which appears to be --disable-libva.
[17:59] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: well, I built the jammy package for jammy passing that, and it worked ok
[18:01] <RikMills> so not sure that is the issue, or if it is, not all of it
[18:02] <RikMills> anyway, if we enable libva in kinetic with ffmpeg5, it will just FTBFS
[18:02] <arraybolt3[m]> argh
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Should I be worried about the expired GPG key or should I just ignore it and start working?
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (And did we fail to get ffmpeg5 support for VLC into Kinetic? I think it's supposed to work with that.)
[18:04] <RikMills> for just testing purposes, it is no big deal
[18:04] <RikMills> yes, it is supposed to work, but not with libva enabled
[18:04] <RikMills> upstream did not decide to fix that part
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Well I'll fiddle with it and see what I can make happen.
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> 🫠
[18:05] <RikMills> they hate it due to forever having issues anyway
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Was migrating to ffmpeg4 from ffmpeg3 this painful?
[18:05] <RikMills> can't recall
[18:06] <RikMills> I am not sure why we transitioned this release
[18:06]  * arraybolt3[m] thinks we really should have something in place to block ffmpeg syncs from Debian in the future so that they can deal with it next time rather than us
[18:06] <RikMills> I saw it there to snyc for some time, and thought nah, that looks dodgy
[18:06] <RikMills> but someone did in the end :/
[18:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah this only happens once every few years, but we don't ever want to do this again.
[18:07] <RikMills> I think it should have been left for the next cycle, where more things were fixed to support it
[18:07] <RikMills> but it happened!
[18:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. Making it so that it's not allowed to happen without multiple experienced developers on board would be nice.
[18:12] <arraybolt3[m]> I should point out that the expired VLC GPG key is in the actual Kinetic packaging itself - I did pull-lp-source vlc kinetic and its in there, so if that matters, now you know
[18:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> It keeps getting better and better.
[21:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Good news on the VLC debacle arraybolt3 , RikMills : https://tracker.debian.org/news/1369334/accepted-vlc-30174-5-source-into-unstable/
[21:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> If only I didn't feel so bad...
 "Good news on the VLC debacle..." <- Thanks!
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Oh crud, everything OK?
[21:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just the stuff that transpired this morning left me feeling like I did the wrong thing in that.
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> me laughs in chagrin Great, I think that Debian just forced us to do an Ubuntu delta on VLC with the libva stuff.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, they didn't. It's a direct sync. No delta.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I thought enabling libva support caused FTBFS.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (In Kinetic at least.)
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> They disabled all references to libva.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Hey, we all make mistakes. You even sent an apology letter.
[21:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've messed stuff way worse.)
[21:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think they were upset at Ubuntu for other stuff and I pushed them over the edge never to return.
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Canonical and Microsoft were able to partner in multiple ways eventually even after some high-ranking MS person called Linux a cancer and released misleading benchmark info. I think the frustration between VLC and Ubuntu will be way easier to fix.
[21:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> That high-ranking person was the CEO (at the time). That person is no longer CEO and even got ejected from the board over 10 years ago.
[21:38] <arraybolt3[m]> * cancer and MS released misleading
[21:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, hey, maybe if we help them with the other frustrations they've had with Ubuntu, we can make things work right again.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> And that's part of what I said in the apology letter.
[21:45] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: weird, when I tried that revert it ftbfs
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Even removing the flags?
[21:47] <RikMills> should have been equivalent. if not the build system is weird and messed up
[21:48] <RikMills> but whatever works at this point I won't complain!
[21:48] <RikMills> :P
[21:48] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll work on it in a bit, slightly busy with a VM build over here right now but that shouldn't take much longer.
[21:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK more than slightly busy but whatever you know what I meant)
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> When I see it land, I'll do a backportpackage to my PPA to see how it builds on Ubuntu.
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> If it builds, I'll sync it.
[21:50] <RikMills> you can get it now with dget https://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_3.0.17.4-5.dsc 
[21:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like you guys are way ahead of me. Should I just let you do what you do for now and then help test when things are done?
[21:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: TIL
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, let's see how this builds.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3, RikMills : In my PPA, still awaiting armhf, otherwise successful builds.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Only thing is, Sebastian linked the wrong LP bug. >.<
[22:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> And we have a complete BFS.
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[22:47] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: but does it play mp4? :D
[22:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Link to PPA so I can install it real quick?
[22:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: I can't find it on your Launchpad account.
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait found it. Its the one you're never supposed to add.
[22:51]  * arraybolt3[m] adds it :P
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, one of the one's you're never supposed to add.)
[22:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I was about to say, narrow that down. XD
[22:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sorry about that. ERR: Was Driving
[22:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: OK so that's an improvement. The first frame or first few frames of the video play, then it stalls.
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> .ogv video works, .mp4 aaaaalmost works.
[22:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmm... Let me test.
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sometimes it won't even play the first few frames, but usually it does.)
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> No issues here.
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe you have something else installed that makes it work right? I'm using a drone video of snowy mountains from Pexels.
[23:00]  * arraybolt3[m] reboots to see if that helps anything
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just used two separate MP4 videos
[23:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (BTW this is an Intel-based Chromebook, if you have an NVIDIA card maybe that's making a difference.)
[23:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, this is on an Nvidia-exclusive custom machine.
[23:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can try on my KFocus M1 with Nvidia card powered down.
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, still only getting barely anything. I'm too chicken to install the PPA on my production desktop, but I'll give it a go in a VM.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3, RikMills : Confirmed, no MP4 issues on intel, made sure Nvidia chipset was powered down.
[23:11] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess I just have a grumpy Chromebook or grumpy Xubuntu Core installation then.
[23:11] <arraybolt3[m]> We'll see what the VM does in a bit.
[23:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Any results in your VM?
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Got distracted :P
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> heh
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Still installing the VM, not because it's horribly slow, but because I'm multitasking.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> No worries.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> LIfe, uh, gets in the way.
[23:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Horrible movie IMO, but it did have some good lines in it.
[23:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> 1) It was excellent for its time, and 2) My son loves it.
[23:48] <arraybolt3[m]> I was really into it too, but then I took a break from movies, then watched again way later and realized, "Good grief, there wasn't any happy ending! You know what, *every single one of those movies had a sad ending!*"
[23:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm assuming we are talking about the one where people resurrect dinosaurs from mosquito blood and then everything goes horribly wrong not once, not twice, but five times, right?)
[23:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's about right.
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, sorry if I'm being silly here.