[00:00] <murmel> lagunaloire: well, very likely you would need to package it yourself, and then try to push it to debian, because it was pulled in 2011, which means nobody stepped up since then
[00:01] <murmel> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/snes9x so you can see yourself ;)
[00:01] <lagunaloire> murmel ok i will try to look into that in my spare time but i have a lot of games to evaluate first for the gaming community
[00:01] <murmel> looking at the compiling wiki site, i would not recommend doing it for as the first package
[00:02] <lagunaloire> murmel yes i know since there are many plugins for epsxe 1.6 that plays final fantasy 7 correctly with the hand pointers
[00:04] <lagunaloire> or at least there were 20 years ago
[00:12] <lagunaloire> tomreyn if ubuntu doesn't get the apps..then who will hear the echoes of stories unable to be told
[00:13] <tomreyn> lagunaloire: please give me some rest, i don't think i can help with these requests. if you have an ubuntu support question, you are welcome to ask here. please don't address those who have indicated they cannot help with what you're seeking.
[00:14] <lagunaloire> tomreyn ok tom sorry
[00:14] <tomreyn> no problem
[00:34] <lagunaloire> murmel i found the old pete's plugins for epsxe which used to be pretty good but i will have to take some time to make debian packages out of them
[00:35] <lagunaloire> murmel they are still at this url http://www.pbernert.com/html/gpu.htm
[00:38] <lagunaloire> murmel it still has several shaders to enhance games using opengl so some of the stuff has not been lost
[00:41] <murmel> lagunaloire: please remember this is not the channel for stuff like this. but especially with archive.org around, it should be possible to retrieve most stuff
[00:41] <lagunaloire> murmel i have heard of archive.org ..that is has lots of books and games but i heard it was being sued or complained about
[00:45] <bparker> it's a thin veil around massive, galactic-level piracy
[00:45] <bparker> and somehow not really even the point of that lawsuit
[00:46] <murmel> some people call it piracy, some say it's for archiving our history. i tend to believe it's the second
[00:46] <bparker> the two are not mutually exclusive
[00:46] <bparker> archiving things often requires piracy
[00:46] <murmel> but I have to agree, offering an emulator in the browser is a bit too far
[00:47] <murmel> bparker: not that I am aware of. but I guess depends on the country
[00:48] <bparker> but more importantly
[00:48] <bparker> epsxe should NEVER be used anymore
[00:48] <murmel> how come?
[00:48] <bparker> it's hilariously bad, very buggy and extremely inaccurate
[00:49] <bparker> there are way better options these days
[00:49] <bparker> by far
[00:49] <bparker> like mednafen, duckstation, etc.
[00:49] <bparker> hell even pcsx
[00:49] <murmel> no idea, if I play retro stuff, i unpack my snes
[00:50] <bparker> as long as you don't use zsnes
[00:50] <murmel> i never liked playing console games on pc, no idea why. maybe because I really like having the actual controller in hand (i know there are converters, but then I can also just play on the actual hw)
[00:51] <murmel> most 3rd party controllers are just bad :/ especially imo with nintendo stuff, as they tend to have good products (no idea anything newer than snes on the other hand)
[00:51] <bparker> I got to having too many consoles that it was always too inconvenient when I wanted to play something
[00:52] <murmel> bparker: no switch for the input?
[00:53] <murmel> i never had that issue, as i stopped with consoles after snes, and moved on to pc, never left :)
[00:54] <bparker> murmel: with so many, you often have to stack multiple switches on top of each other, it's too complex
[00:55] <bparker> you want snes? ok switch 1 port 4, now xbox? switch 3 port 2 THEN switch 2 port 4
[00:55] <bparker> or whatever
[00:55] <murmel> xD, okay when you have that many...
[00:55] <bparker> then you gotta get out the right controller
[00:55] <bparker> and hope it's not dead
[00:55] <bparker> if it has batteries
[00:55] <bparker> etc etc
[00:56] <lagunaloire> bparker i disagree with you about epsxe version 1.6 only as it played final fantasy 7,8, and 9 flawlessly
[00:57] <murmel> honestly, I don't understand console players nowadays. as there is almost no difference between pc and console, and as they also update games nowadays, there is literally no reason to use a console imo
[00:57] <lagunaloire> bparker it was able to cycle through all 12 or so cd's flawlessly
[00:57] <lagunaloire> bparker from beginning to end of stories on all of them
[00:58] <lagunaloire> bparker and they are 3 of square's greatest games
[00:59] <lagunaloire> bparker i tried pcsxr and it doen't display the hands in final fantasy 7 which ruins the game
[00:59] <lagunaloire> bparker only epsxe version 1.6 which lets you put in special features for the game so it works great
[00:59] <lagunaloire> bparker also legend of the dragoon worked flawlessly
[01:00] <lagunaloire> bparker which was a very interesting story
[01:00] <lagunaloire> bparker that was about 20 years ago...but it needs to still work today else who  will hear the echoes of stories unable to be told
[01:01] <tomreyn> could you all just move this conversation somewhere else then, please? i'm sure there must be some retro gaming channels around here, !alis would know.
[01:15] <morgan-laptop> and the desktop wont boot and holding down shift did not give me grub. all I did was try and update zoom (while it was running and ... it wouldnt restart so I did a hard poweroff and ..) 22.04
[01:16] <tomreyn> you started your sentence with "and" which makes it look like someone before that is missing?
[01:17] <tomreyn> if you're booting in uefi mode then you'll need to hit escape, not hold down shift
[01:17] <morgan-laptop> bios mode
[01:18] <Bashing-om> morgan-laptop: EFI system? Then it is the escape key that grub looks for - hard power off -- maybe a file system check is now in order ?
[01:18] <morgan-laptop> but why not try that  (the and was a continuation of spending the better part of a day hanging with this channel and more fussing. Then it throws me a curve. (totally affected drama. Pay it no mind)
[01:20] <morgan-laptop> OK tomreyn my friend, there was now A progress bar under the word dell and it goes to xubuntu splash screen.
[01:21] <morgan-laptop> (I tried installing w other desktop environments but I stuck with gnome.
[01:21] <morgan-laptop> after the splash screen, DARKNESS
[01:21] <tomreyn> morgan-laptop: probably a graphics driver issue. nvidia?
[01:21] <morgan-laptop> nope.
[01:22] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[01:22] <morgan-laptop> right I cant do that because I cant get to grub.
[01:22] <morgan-laptop> I had better go find my flash drives.
[01:22] <tomreyn> do you multi boot with windows by chance?
[01:29] <morgan-laptop> tomreyn: I started it in safegraphics mode tryubuntu. what next. ***the dell has only ubuntu on the hard drive.
[01:31] <tomreyn> morgan-laptop: so you have some dell desktop computer which has ubuntu 22.04 installed in bios mode on the internal disk, and after a recent unknown change it stopped booting to the graphical desktop? does this correctly sum up the issue?
[01:31] <morgan-ubu> tomreyn HELLO
[01:32] <tomreyn> hello there.
[01:32] <morgan-laptop> yes sir.
[01:32] <tomreyn> what changes did you make that may have caused it?
[01:33] <tomreyn> were you the person with the hardware issues?
[01:33] <morgan-laptop> I responded to a request to update zoom. ... then removed zoom and installed it with snap. because I thought I should do everything  with snap so the updates are handled by the system.
[01:33] <tomreyn> something about memtest stopping?
[01:33] <morgan-laptop> the memtest thing is YEARS old.
[01:34] <tomreyn> you mean the software or the last time that it stopped in the middle?
[01:34] <morgan-laptop> but it does. I was going to run it with only one memory module of 2 and see if is was different but this am I had a zoom meeting which worked. Then I messed with it before the aternon zoom and boomboom
[01:35] <tomreyn> i have a feeling that i keep re-analyzing the same system, could this be true?
[01:35] <morgan-laptop> I mean the memtest issure which was that memtest freezes in the first cycle (and the dell memory tester passes fine)
[01:35] <morgan-laptop> issue
[01:36] <tomreyn> i think we suggested that you should try different memory testing software, and update your bios to the latest version, have you done both of this, and what were the results?
[01:36] <morgan-laptop> we looked at this 2 days ago. You looked at lots of logs, had me restart it with no discord to clean up the logs.
[01:37] <morgan-laptop> It did this before I could do that. I didnt understand how to update a bios is probably why I didnt do that. (forgot)
[01:38] <morgan-laptop> confession
[01:39] <tomreyn> okay, what about the other memory test, though?
[01:39] <tomreyn> also, did you take a photo of when it froze on the memory test you had been using so far?
[01:41] <morgan-laptop> ok what other memory test. I havent done that memory test for at least a year. I have not been trying to fix that. I had just accepted that. The issue was that chrome was messing up the computer and slowing it down.
[01:42] <morgan-laptop> The other Dell memory test revealed no problems.
[01:42] <tomreyn> those manufacturer tests are usually just basic functionality tests.
[01:43] <morgan-laptop> is there a log that will show any issues that happened as it booted off the flash drive? some text DID show up.
[01:43] <tomreyn> use https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm if you can uefi boot
[01:43] <morgan-laptop> I should go there on the dell.
[01:43] <tomreyn> journalctl -b    would give you all that was logged
[01:44] <morgan-ubu>   /nick morgan-dell
[01:44] <Square> Something is fishy with libre office in my fresh install of ubuntu 22.04. Look and feel is that of a java AWT app (like applets)
[01:44] <tomreyn> but sometimes there are messages printed to screen which don't end up on the logs because logging isn't available at the time
[01:45] <morgan-ubu> tomreyn I will do that now but iir I am on a bios boot.
[01:45] <tomreyn> you can probably override the boot mode using some F key.
[01:47] <morgan-laptop> ok I went to the url and see the usermanual. readme looks like I need to find a flashdrive and  install it on the flash drive.
[01:49] <tomreyn> i think the installer also has a memtest option on the grub menu when you bios boot, but not sure.
[01:51] <morgan-laptop> tomreyn: OK I will reboot the dell and see if there is one.
[01:51] <Square> is there a libre office channel?
[01:52] <tomreyn> !alis | Square
[01:53] <morgan-laptop> tomreyn: the memory test is working now.
[01:53] <Square> tomreyn, thanks
[01:53] <morgan-laptop> I am shocked and gladdened.
[01:54] <tomreyn> morgan-laptop: so youre using the one from the grub menu on the 22.04 installer iso?
[01:54] <morgan-laptop> tomreyn shall I let it run for hours?
[01:55] <tomreyn> morgan-laptop: yes, that's how you do it. let it run until it's done, at least 2 full passes i'd say.
[01:55] <morgan-laptop> OK. thanks.
[01:55] <tomreyn> morgan-laptop: if it freezes, take a photo and upload that and post the link here
[01:56] <morgan-laptop> yes tomreyn
[01:57] <tomreyn> good luck
[02:14] <Pixel8ed> hi :)
[02:22] <Square> what do you recommend. LibreOffice of Apache OpenOffice ?
[02:23] <Square> I'm finding REALLY worrisome bugs in LibreOffice calc. Like basic undo is not working AT ALL.
[02:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Square: Definitely LibreOffice. OpenOffice was just shy of unmaintained last I looked (like I think there was one guy left working on it or something like that).
[02:23] <arraybolt3[m]> What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[02:23] <Square> 22.04.
[02:24] <Square> Libre office 7.4.1.2.
[02:24] <Square> (calc that is)
[02:24] <Square> arraybolt3[m], ^
[02:24] <lagunaloire> square you can't just backspace in a cell to empty its contents in place of undo
[02:25] <Square> open a fresh document. Change background color on a number of cell matrices. Try to undo these.
[02:25] <lagunaloire> square oh that is a little more complex
[02:25] <Square> id say that is super basic functionality 2022
[02:26]  * arraybolt3[m] proceeds to open LibreOffice calc, changes background color of a random selection, hits Ctrl+Z, everything works as expected, i.e. undo works
[02:26] <tomreyn> same here
[02:26] <arraybolt3[m]> It works for me even when I click a whole bunch of different simultaneous selections (hold Ctrl and then you can make multiple selections at once)
[02:26] <lagunaloire> square well last i looked i was able to use the basic programming language to code routines and then place the results in a cell which i thought was great
[02:26] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm using Kubuntu 22.04.
[02:28] <Square> It's consistently failing here.
[02:28] <lagunaloire> square well for what i do it works great
[02:28] <Square> I wonder how I'm going wrong. Pretty much fresh install done last month
[02:28] <ice9> why gnome-shell auto select right click item if I just hover the cursor on an item after a touchpad double-tap without clicking?
[02:29] <tomreyn> Square: 7.4.1.2 doesn't seem to be in any ubuntu release, are you using a snap?
[02:30] <tomreyn> ah right snap offers 7.4.1.2
[02:30] <Square> tomreyn, i believe i installed via apt?
[02:30] <ravage> 22.04 has 7.3.6.2
[02:30] <ravage> it must me a snap or some other exteral source
[02:30] <Square> used this guide https://tecadmin.net/how-to-install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-22-04/
[02:31] <ravage> it really comes preinstalled. only the minimal version removes it
[02:31] <Square> i went minimal
[02:31] <ravage> then apt install would have been enough :)
[02:31] <ravage> purge that PPA
[02:31] <tomreyn> you're using a PPA. you should always point it out when using software from a PPA
[02:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Square: You probably added an external repo, I'm guessing? Yeah, remove it.
[02:31] <ravage> and install the Ubuntu package version
[02:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Uninstall LibreOffice, remove the PPA, then install LibreOffice again.
[02:32] <Square> so how should i uninstall it?
[02:32] <Square> ok thanks
[02:32] <ravage> https://itsfoss.com/how-to-remove-or-delete-ppas-quick-tip/
[02:32] <arraybolt3[m]> One moment...
[02:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, ravage knows what he's doing, just do whatever he says.
[02:32] <ravage> i would not go that far :P
[02:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Well OK but you could say the same about me :P
[02:33] <ravage> ppa-purge is the best tool for it  really
[02:34] <Square> is : sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[02:34] <Square> enough?
[02:34] <tomreyn> no
[02:34] <ravage> i dont think that removes anything
[02:34] <arraybolt3[m]> No, you need to remove the old software also.
[02:34] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[02:34] <ravage> so the command is "sudo ppa-purge ppa:libreoffice/ppa"
[02:34] <Square> i've done that too ofcourse
[02:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Start with `sudo apt install ppa-purge`.
[02:34] <ravage> ^^
[02:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Square: If you already uninstalled LibreOffice, did you also do the "sudo apt autoremove"?
[02:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Otherwise you'll have little bits and pieces of the wrong software possibly still in your system.
[02:37] <Square> arraybolt3[m], no i did not do "sudo apt autoremove"
[02:38] <Square> Am i screwed now
[02:38] <arraybolt3[m]> No.
[02:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Just, `sudo apt purge libreoffice && sudo apt autoremove`.
[02:38] <lagunaloire> square i have version 7.6 or so and i picked a range of cells and changed their background color and then used ctrl-z and it undid the color just fine
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Then `sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:libreoffice/ppa`.
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> That should do the trick - uninstall the old LibreOffice, clean up the little bits, remove the PPA.
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Then once that's all done, then `sudo apt install libreoffice`.
[02:40] <lagunaloire> square it works fine here
[02:40] <Square> Uninstalling a program isn't for the faint of heart
[02:41] <Square> ok, so now ive done all this. Time for : sudo apt install libreoffice-calc ?
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> You can do that.
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Or if you want all of libreoffice, just sudo apt install libreoffice should do that.
[02:42] <Square> I only use calc and writer tbh. Sometimes the powerpoint thingy too
[02:43] <ravage> thats alomost all of it already really :)
[02:43] <Square> Great, now undo works
[02:43] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[02:43] <lagunaloire> square what about base ...how can you live without a database program to keep your recipes or your cd collection
[02:43] <Square> thanks guys.
[02:43] <arraybolt3[m]> lagunaloire: That's what Calc is for. Base is... *really different.*
[02:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Square: Glad we were able to help!
[02:44] <lagunaloire> arraybolt3...no you can use base as a graphical front-end for your database design and queries
[02:44] <lagunaloire> arraybolt3..much easier than calc directly
[02:44] <Square> for the future, I guess I should stay clear of first google result on how to do things linux.
[02:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Square: There's a *lot* of bad advise on the Internet when it comes to linux stuff, sadly.
[02:45] <lagunaloire> square..yes check into official channels of apps or os for various questions
[02:45] <lagunaloire> square google will really mess you up
[02:46] <lagunaloire> square too many idiots posting nonsense on google searches
[02:46] <arraybolt3[m]> lagunaloire: Well I'm glad you have a system that works for you. Personally, Base is way too cumbersome for my liking for stuff like that. I'd feel way more at home with Calc. But that's just my opinion, whatever tool works for you, use. I'm using IRC via Element (a Matrix chat app), which is something I'm sure some people would hate, but I like it.
[02:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (But now I'm taking an off-topic conversation and running with it - maybe we shouldn't do that...)
[02:47] <lagunaloire> arraybolt3...well base is like kexi very simple and very useful...but more powerful than kexi...and you can hook into sql databases also with a free version of java or some c++ code drivers
[02:54] <lagunaloire> arraybolt3 i don't like the propietary sun java stuff so i use c++ code drivers from the university of utah that belong to the public domain since taxpayers pay for the research accomplishments
[02:54] <lagunaloire> arrabolt3 and they work fine for hooking into various sql databases like mysql, postgress, and sqlite, and mariadb that i have tested
[02:54] <arraybolt3[m]> lagunaloire: Let's continue this in #ubuntu-discuss - I like this conversation but this isn't the room for it.
[02:55] <lagunaloire> arraybolt3 ok i will check into ubuntu-discuss
[03:09] <Square> Just a followup on previous post, is this how your libre office looks? https://imgur.com/a/6dJIpts
[03:09] <arraybolt3[m]> What... did you do...?
[03:09] <Square> I find the look and feels is "basic java AWT" which feels a bit dated.
[03:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope. That is not how my LibreOffice looks.
[03:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Something has gotten confused with your UI stuff.
[03:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe you need to do "sudo apt install libreoffice-gtk3"?
[03:10] <Square> obviously. I haven't done much out of the ordinary at all. Fresh machine since 1 month. Fresh minimal install of basic ubuntu 22.04 on new computer.
[03:11] <ravage> well. you added a PPA :P
[03:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Try "sudo apt install libreoffice-gnome" and then restart Calc, see if that makes thing prettier.
[03:11] <Square> ok, so not gtk3 ?
[03:12] <ravage> or just "libreoffice" and live with the few extra packages
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> The -gnome will pull in the -gtk3 most likely.
[03:13] <Square> ok, ill try gnome
[03:13] <Square> thanks again, that did it
[03:13] <Square> as in fixed it
[03:14] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[03:19] <ice9> I installed Deepin DE on ubuntu 22.04 and then removed it then fonts were messed up, I reset fonts from the gnome tweaks tools, it works fine for English but for other languages it's not looking right; how do I reset it to default?
[03:27] <tomreyn> sudo apt update
[03:27] <tomreyn> oops wrog window :)
[05:29] <Square> Before I could paste into terminal with SHIFT + Insert, but that seems gone now. Is there some easy trick to bring it back?
[05:30] <fluxcapacitor> hisstory
[05:30] <fluxcapacitor> *history
[05:31] <fluxcapacitor> *shit. sorry. Type the <history> command and you can follow it with an argument such as 8 or 10 to specifiy the desired lines of command history. Then copy and paste the command you want to run again or edit it accordingly.
[05:33] <matsaman> Square: CTRL+SHIFT+v is pretty ordinary
[05:33] <matsaman> since CTRL+c is for cancel in a Unixy term. So they become CTRL+SHIFT+
[05:34] <Square> matsaman, I try to avoid double modifier shorcuts
[05:34] <matsaman> Square: the easiest trick would be to tell your window manager or other keymapping software to just do it
[05:34] <Square> okok
[05:34] <matsaman> well, a sensible GUI term will let you map paste to anything you desire
[05:34] <matsaman> just on its own
[06:25] <ice9> does wayland and ubuntu works with eGPU?
[07:50] <ice9> how lastlog is rotated by default?
[07:53] <geirha> it doesn't get rotated
[07:54] <geirha> It's not really a log file, it's rather a database
[07:57] <geirha> there's one entry per user and each entry has a static size. The entry for the user with uid 1000 is positioned at offset 1000 * sizeof(struct lastlog). It's a sparsely allocated file to avoid all the empty space of non-existant users taking up actual space on disk.
[08:52] <ice9> geirha, so this db is stored in the file wtmp? how big it can gets?
[08:53] <geirha> I was talking about /var/log/lastlog
[08:54] <ice9> geirha, ok so how big this db can reach? the max of a filesytsem file?
[08:54] <geirha> For fun, I just created a user with a ridiculously high uid (2123123123), and ls -lh now reports that it is 578G, while du -ha tells me the file only uses 48K of disk space
[08:55] <geirha> and that filesystem only has a size of 49G
[11:03] <bitbinge>  I've been browsing the net when my system froze (probably due to OOM). I cut the power to the machine and rebooted it. Now all my GNOME settings are gone. Is it possible to restore them? I have a complete root partition backup. This includes GNOME extensions, window positions etc. too.
[11:54] <BCB> I an umable to decipher this error message and google has not be helpful  this problem just started recently on a previously working server.
[11:54] <BCB> warning: TLS library problem: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number
[11:55] <BCB> any insight would be greatly appreciated
[11:56] <BCB> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[11:56] <SteelRose> BCB: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70910540/how-to-solve-error1408f10bssl-routinesssl3-get-recordwrong-version-number
 "but I have to agree, offering an..." <- emulators are not illegal
[12:22] <schuelermine[m]> oh sorry I forgot this was IRC
[12:37] <hethw> I'm using ubuntu 20.04, and the git version there is 2.25.1. is there a backports newer version? where can I check that?
[12:37] <tomreyn> hethw: you could look for a PPA
[12:37] <hethw> what are my other options (besides 22.04, (pc has complicated setup))
[12:38] <tomreyn> !ppa
[12:38] <hethw> tomreyn, yes, but usually backports cover some software
[12:38] <hethw> I just don't see a list
[12:38] <tomreyn> there are really only very few backports for ubuntu
[12:39] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal-backports/allpackages
[12:40] <hethw> alright. so what do I have except PPA as an option?
[12:41] <tomreyn> building from source, snaps, if any, flatpack, if any, other packaging formats, if any.
[12:41] <tomreyn> and, of course, upgrading. what's the complicated part about your upgrade path?
[12:42] <tomreyn> https://git-scm.com/download/linux provides information on a PPA
[12:52] <pickanick> Trying to set up a relative's laptop for them to try Ubuntu. When booting with 22.04 usb installer, the wireless is not supported on boot. What can I do on the live USB boot to try to get it working?
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> wich chipset is the wifi card pickanick
[12:52] <pickanick> how to find out?
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: sudo lshw -C network
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:54] <luna> hi
[13:15] <pickanick> lotuspsychje: lshw -C network output: https://dpaste.com/BBL6N5SBK
[13:16] <tomreyn> pickanick: is this the same system as yesterday, or a different one?
[13:16] <pickanick> This is a different system. It seems like the USB ethernet dongle is recognized, I'm not sure if the wifi card is there at all.
[13:16] <pickanick> Wifi card works on windows.
[13:17] <tomreyn> is the wireless device onboard?
[13:17] <pickanick> It is built into the laptop
[13:18] <BCB> SteelRose there is not middle box. I'm relaying mail from one server i contol to another server I control
[13:18] <BCB> *no
[13:18] <tomreyn> pickanick: do    lspci -nnv   or    lsusb    list it?
[13:19] <tomreyn> BCB: are you using ESM?
[13:19] <SteelRose> BCB: are those email servers running the same OS? perhaps Ubuntu 16.04 does not support SSLv3... that'd be my next guess
[13:20] <tomreyn> hopefully nothing does SSLv3 nowadays.
[13:20] <SteelRose> tomreyn: indeed :-)
[13:21] <tomreyn> BCB: if you're not using ESM this system would be end of life,and you'd need to reinstall or upgrade to get support.
[13:30] <jadenlian> i constantly get this message  "pending update of 'snap store' close app to avoid disruption"  but when i do snap refresh it tells me that all snaps are up to date   and sometimes the message refers to firefox pending update
[13:32] <pickanick> tomreyn:  lsusb;  lspci -nnv #  https://dpaste.com/GQGADBZCL
[13:32] <arraybolt3[m]> jadenlian: This Q&A has instructions on how to get it to update: https://linux.codidact.com/posts/287070
[13:33] <pickanick> tomreyn: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:c820 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11ac NIC
[13:34] <jadenlian> arraybolt3[m]: ok
[13:35] <tomreyn> pickanick: it's this one: 0bda:c820 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11ac NIC
[13:37] <tomreyn> pickanick: should be supported by Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and newer out of the box according to https://linux-hardware.org/?id=usb:0bda-c820&page=1#status
[13:38] <pickanick> Booting with the installation USB for Ubuntu 22.04, no wifi interface is seen.
[13:40] <tomreyn> pickanick: you could share a full boot log (journalctl -b), a full kernel log (journalctl -kb) or just hopefully capture relevant output using   journalctl -b | grep -E '(c820|wireless|802\.11)' | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:40] <tomreyn> pickanick: you could share a full boot log (journalctl -b), a full kernel log (journalctl -kb) or just hopefully capture relevant output using   journalctl -b | grep -Ei '(c820|wireless|802\.11)' | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:41] <tomreyn> i had been missing an 'i' there on the first try - use the second.
[13:41] <pickanick> ok thanks
[13:45] <hethw> tomreyn, thanks for the help!
[13:48] <tomreyn> you're welcome!
[13:51] <pickanick> tomreyn: the first is 700K, the second 100K, the third is two lines.
[13:54] <pickanick> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/5th8  # journalctl -b | grep -Ei '(c820|wireless|802\.11)' | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:54] <tomreyn> pickanick: 700k bytes, or lines, or bytes?
[13:54] <tomreyn> i mean bytes or lines
[13:54] <pickanick> 700KBytes, does termbin have a limit?
[13:55] <tomreyn> 1k lines
[13:55] <tomreyn> these two lines won't help, sorry
[13:55] <tomreyn> you can try going through the log yourself if you prefer not to share it.
[13:56] <tomreyn> but it's a bit advanced to understand where things are not going as they should be
[13:58] <tomreyn> sometimes it's easier when there are module failures and it says "cut here"
[14:00] <tomreyn> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.0/admin-guide/bug-hunting.html
[14:01] <pickanick> journalctl -kb | head -n 1000: https://termbin.com/fz0ru  tail -n 200: https://termbin.com/zs5r
[14:05] <tomreyn> which kind of hardware is this?
[14:05] <pickanick> It's a cheap off brand laptop, what are you noticing?
[14:06] <tomreyn> exactly that, i guess, i was looking at the "DMI:" output
[14:07] <tomreyn> it would usually say the mainboard (desktop/server) or laptop brand
[14:09] <pickanick> Are you suggesting that "DMI: Default string Default string" does not suggest the highest quality workmanship?
[14:10] <tomreyn> pickanick: doesn't have to, but it could.
[14:10] <tomreyn> and i did get the joke ;)
[14:11] <pickanick> excellent
[14:12] <tomreyn> the dmesg looks ok other than that, there's no indication of problems with the wireless, but it had not tried to load a module for it, yet
[14:12] <pickanick> I do wonder if it is basically a brandless version of some branded device.
[14:13] <pickanick> I do not mind sharing the full 700KB, 6150 line boot log, if it would be helpful, and you would suggest a way.
[14:13] <tomreyn> pickanick: ^ what would be interesting now is seing what happens when the module is chosen and loaded for this hardware and when network manager tries configure the wireless device (if it gets to this point).
[14:13] <tomreyn> !paste
[14:14] <pickanick> dpaste has I thought 240K limit
[14:14] <tomreyn> bytes or lines?
[14:14] <pickanick> bytes
[14:14] <tomreyn> i do not know
[14:17] <pickanick> I'll send three pieces.
[14:18] <tomreyn> you can use pastebin.com as an exception, if you prefer ;)
[14:19] <tomreyn> dpaste says it has a maximum paste size of 250,000 characters.
[14:26] <tomreyn> pickanick: looks like this can actually be a driver issue. https://github.com/brektrou/rtl8821CU supposedly works, though
[14:27] <pickanick> does ubuntu have uuencode / uudecode ? If full journal would be helpful then I could text encode an xz compressed file in much less space.
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: cant you do a full install instead of a live, then update via eth and maybe get updated drivers for your wifi?
[14:28] <pickanick> If it were my machine, yes. But it isn't.
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: you need a long time live session to work on then?
[14:30] <tomreyn> i assume this means you need to prove that ubuntu works n it before you could install to the permanent storage?
[14:30] <tomreyn> *on it
[14:30] <tomreyn> if so, maybe you have another storage which the system could boot from that you could install to? can be another usb-connected one.
[14:31] <pickanick> Yes, that's the plan; also might return it if it doesn't, and I don't know if seller would care.
[14:32] <pickanick> Can I install on another USB? It's not the fastest solution but it's on hand.
[14:32] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: You can, but the installer may overwrite the bootloader on your main disk anyway.
[14:34] <pickanick> Ouch.
[14:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Learned that one the hard way. :-S)
[14:34] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: that would only happen if there already is an ubuntu installation on an uefi booting system through, right?
[14:34] <tomreyn> *though
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: I don't know, possibly? I know it sure happened to me, but then again I had an Ubuntu installaton on a UEFI booting system.
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I only use Ubuntu on my systems other than my Chromebook, so I wouldn't know.
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I think I saw it happen to one guy with his Windows system, however.
[14:36] <pickanick> Can I just update selectively on the live USB ? Probably it would run out of space if it had to update everything to current? (8GB RAM)
[14:36] <tomreyn> yes, i don't see how that would pose an issue here unless the on-disk installation is already ubuntu
[14:36] <pickanick> arraybolt3[m] was this recent? because I have lived through some terrifyingly ambiguous installers in the past
[14:37] <tomreyn> pickanick: you can update selectively using apt or synaptic
[14:38] <tomreyn> an installed system will certainly make it easier working with out of tree modules.
[14:38] <pickanick> (I know in general, but it requires knowing *what* to update in this case)
[14:38] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Yeah, pretty recent. Installed Ubuntu Kinetic (development release) on a flash drive on a system that had Ubuntu 22.04 on the internal disk.
[14:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Messed with my bootloader, had to boot manually from a GRUB rescue shell and then reinstall GRUB from within Ubuntu 22.04.
[14:40] <tomreyn> that's because, if uefi booted, the ubuntu installer will always install the boot loader on the one-and-only (it thinks) efi system partition, in the ubunut/ directory.
[14:40] <tomreyn> that's not an issue if you don't already have an ubuntu installation you want to keep booting to.
[14:40] <tomreyn> nor if you're bios booting
[14:41] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Ah, good.
[14:42] <pickanick> Is the 22.04 installer a UEFI boot?
[14:43] <tomreyn> it supports booting in both uefi and legacy bios mode. which one you'll boot in is the firmwares' choice, which you may be able to control.
[14:43] <tomreyn> (using the "BIOS setup utility")
[14:44] <tomreyn> i think the bug arraybolt3[m] was referring to is bug 1396379
[14:44] <tomreyn> but this should not apply here
[14:45] <pickanick> So 1. is a second USB flashdrive an acceptable target? 2. I need to boot the installer in legacy BIOS mode to avoid this bug?
[14:46] <tomreyn> 1. yes. 2. only if you already have another ubuntu installation, otherwise it does not matter
[14:47] <tomreyn> (...and then uefi may be preferable)
[14:47] <pickanick> UEFI boot may be preferable in which case?
[14:48] <pickanick> oh --  if no existing ubuntu install.
[14:49] <tomreyn> exactly, and if the other OS that is already installed on disk also boots in uefi mode.
[14:50] <pickanick> Complication: there are only two USB ports, so internet will not be available during the install. Is that OK?
[14:57] <tomreyn> pickanick: i think an offline installation can work, but haven't tried in a good while.
[14:59]  * pickanick embarks upon an unexpected adventure.
[15:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu installs just fine without an Internet connection in my experience.
[15:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (We're not Windows 11. There's no mandatory Internet connection, no required cloud-based user account to sign in, no activation, and no limitation on what kind of drive you can install to. And no weird system requirements.)
[15:16] <kerfluffy> anyone know if modern email clients use telnet to speak to SMTP servers when sending mail?
[15:16] <arraybolt3[m]> *no needless limitation on what kind of drive you can install to
[15:18] <leftyfb> kerfluffy: they don't. Why do you ask?
[15:18] <kerfluffy> leftyfb i just wonder how authentication is done in modern clients
[15:18] <tomreyn> kerfluffy: modern, like old, email clients probably use a tcp connection, encrypt the transport with tls (maybe not old ones), and and speak the smtp protocol on it when talking to an smtp server
[15:20] <tomreyn> authentication would be using smtp-auth, or, for not-really-email-accounts, oauth or similar.
[15:21] <kerfluffy> is authentication done each time a mail is sent though? or is the connection kept alive?
[15:21] <tomreyn> what's your ubuntu support question in this?
[15:31] <kerfluffy> tomreyn all good now
[15:31] <kerfluffy> thanks
[15:33] <tomreyn> pickanick: for what's it worth, i just did an offline installation using ubuntu 22.04.1 (in a VM)
[15:39] <jadenlian> im trying to do two things and i found afew descriptions and videos for both and i cant get it to work neither   first is    to send emails from my terminal and second  to set up a vpn server  any guide that certainly works on eather of this
[15:45] <jhutchins> jadenlian: Do you have a mail server installed, or accessible on your local network?
[15:45] <jhutchins> What do you want to use the VPN server for?
[15:47] <pickanick> 2204 USB install to second USB: "This computer currently has Windows Boot Manager on it. What would you like to do?" Does "Install alongside WBM" mean on the same drive? Do I want "something else"?
[15:48] <pickanick> Ah "something else" lets me choose boot loader on second USB.
[15:48] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: You definitely do not want to put it alongside Windows Boot Manager. That will (if I'm understanding correctly) install Ubuntu to the same drive as Windows.
[15:50] <jadenlian> jhutchins: everything its just for educational purpose just to learn how to
[15:52] <jadenlian> jhutchins: i followd this guide that installed sendmail and other stuff but didnt check to see if a port was opened just followed the guide and didnt do anything
[15:52] <pickanick> Thanks. On the target drive, besides selecting it for boot loader installation, I believe I also need to create (1) an EFI partition. Typically I would also create a /boot and /home partition, but for this I think sufficient just a  / partition to store them all.
[15:52] <pickanick> so EFI and / is all that's needed?
[15:53] <jadenlian> jhutchins: i just checked and  25 587 ports are opened by sendmail
[16:03] <pickanick> tomreyn,lotuspsychje : after installation, I assume I want to do 'apt update; apt upgrade', what else?
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[16:09] <jhutchins> jadenlian: Depending on what you actually want to do there are several ways to send mail.  You can use a utility like mailx or you can address the mail server directly.  Try googling "send mail in bash" for some examples.
[16:09] <jhutchins> jadenlian: If you prefer to use another language there are many examples available.
[16:10] <jhutchins> Really too many possibilities to be covered in irc.
[16:10] <bob_x1> localectl list-keymaps gives the error: Failed to read list of keymaps: No such file or directory , whats wrong ?
[16:10] <pickanick> tomreyn: thank you for checking. While the install and update is proceeding, I wonder if you have ideas on what I could try for the first computer I mentioned with the iwlwifi errors.
[16:10] <pickanick> first sign of error is: iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Queue 11 is active on fifo 1 and stuck for 10000 ms. SW [70, 140] HW [70, 140] FH TRB=0x0c010b055
[16:10] <bob_x1> localectl list-keymaps gives the error: Failed to read list of keymaps: No such file or directory , whats wrong ?
[16:11] <jhutchins> bob_x1: No need to repeat, your posted messages remain visible.
[16:11] <jhutchins> bob_x1: My guess is that you don't have any non-default kemaps.
[16:12] <bob_x1> yeah sorry for reapeat. by mistake
[16:13] <pickanick> iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x0 // followed by IWL Error Log Dumps & ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested
[16:14] <bob_x1> how could I check what files were installed with a specific package with apt ?
[16:16] <EriC^^> bob_x1: dpkg -L <package>
[16:16] <EriC^^> or dpkg -S /path/to/file
[16:17] <pickanick> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/554136/list-files-installed-by-a-package-on-my-linux-system-ubuntu-apt
[16:17] <pickanick> which says dpkg -L as above
[16:26] <pickanick> Ok on first boot I get the MOK management which I believe I can skip because no third party drivers were installed yet
[16:26] <pickanick> (back to laptop install)
[16:29] <ubergeek1> So, noticed an interesting bug with openssh server in Ubuntu (Haven't check debian yet):  Ubuntu wants to grab a socket on all interfaces, for both ipv4 and ipv6, for port 22, even if sshd is configured to only listen on a specific address and family.  Fixed it by "breaking" the socket for sshd, but this seems to not actually be correct behavior.
[16:30] <ubergeek1> How do I go about checking if it's truly a bug, or intended design (Which sounds suspect to me)
[16:31] <user9d> you read the specs via the source code comments
[16:32] <ubergeek> user9d: I assume that answer was for me, correct?
[16:33] <user9d> in a word, yes
[16:33] <ubergeek> cool, and thanks.  I'll start looking there
[16:33] <arraybolt3[m]> ubergeek: Easiest way would be to report it as a bug on Launchpad, then people who are skilled with this kind of thing can look at it more closely.
[16:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Run "ubuntu-bug openssh-server" and that should get you started.
[16:34] <ubergeek> thanks arraybolt3[m] :)
[16:34] <mko_> is it possible and is it a okay idea, to install full ubuntu version on a usb to a partition of a 3.1 USB drive, to have another partition that will be encrypted and a third partition, that will be just as normal? And also do i need to install grub on the OS partition, in order to run the ubuntu os on any pc?
[16:35] <user9d> i need a tldr version mko_
[16:35] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: Yes, that is possible and a perfectly fine thing to do. As for installing GRUB, you'll probably want to create a separate EFI system partition, and install GRUB to that.
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: I believe you can do everything you want to from within the Manual Partitioning screen of the Ubuntu installer.
[16:36] <mko_> so an EFI system partition just for the grub (say size 1GB) and then on a primary partition that will be flagged with / the OS... and then the other two partitions?
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: However, I would recommend making a backup of your data before attempting this, so if you accidentally install Ubuntu to the wrong disk or partition, you don't destroy your data.
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: The EFI partition only needs to be about 300 MB.
[16:37] <user9d> plus 512K
[16:37] <mko_> arraybolt3[m], yes you are right, but i didnt know i have to install the grub on a separate efi sys partition, thanks for letting me know
[16:37] <arraybolt3[m]> So you'd plug in the Ubuntu installer drive, and the blank drive. Then boot the computer, and boot from the Ubuntu Installer.
[16:37] <arraybolt3[m]> When it boots, click "Install Ubuntu".
[16:37] <arraybolt3[m]> user9d: Please stop interfering.
[16:37] <mko_> arraybolt3[m], no  need of backup, as the usb is brand new
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: I mean a backup of the data on your actual computer. That way if you erase the wrong drive during the installation, you have a way to recover.
[16:38] <mko_> arraybolt3[m], yep, ok will follow the installed and will use resizing the disk for the partitions i need.
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: Good luck!
[16:38] <mko_> arraybolt3[m], oh yeah, you are right ... I will do it from a virtual machine, should be possible right?
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: Yeah, that should be easy. And if you do it from within a VM there's no need to make a backup first.
[16:39] <mko_> arraybolt3[m], thanks a lot.
[16:39] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️ Glad to help!
[16:41] <tomreyn> pickanick: sorry, food first, bbl
[16:50] <mko_> arraybolt3, one last thing about the usb partitioning. If i encrypt a partition of the usb, it will be always secure by the encryption key, regardless of the fact that there is another partition on the same drive with a OS (that will will not be encrypted) ?
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> mko_: Correct. The partition will be locked, the rest of the drive however will not.
[16:51] <mko_> great, thanks
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> ubergeek: tnx to file bug #1991566
[17:31] <pickanick> Re laptop wifi: 22.04 install complete to external USB, and updates complete. Wifi not visible in Network applet nor in sttings app. Attempted to try to add a Wifi network connection but the Device entry is inactive. Above someone had some idea above, which I did not understand.
[17:32] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: You probably didn't install proprietary drivers, right?
[17:33] <pickanick> I said yes in the install setup, but I did not manually provide drivers and there was no internet connection.
[17:34] <pickanick> Would the proprietary drivers be installed during the apt upgrade?
[17:34] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Hmm, they probably should have been installed automatically.
[17:34] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Do you have an Ethernet cable so you can connect to the Internet? Or a cellphone to tether with?
[17:35] <pickanick> yes, I used a USB ethernet dongle to upgrade on first boot.
[17:38] <pickanick> Did I need to do anything at the MOK screen at the end of the install? As noted above I assumed not.
[17:39] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Yeah, you probably *did* need to go through the MOK screen.
[17:39] <arraybolt3[m]> What likely happened is that the proprietary drivers aren't able to load since the secure boot configuration isn't letting them do so.
[17:40] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Can you connect to the Internet, then to "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that outputs?
[17:41] <pickanick> Err ... I did ask about MOK over an hour ago X-|   What should I have done on that screen? its not obvious to me.   Will do lspci
[17:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry, didn't realize.
[17:43] <arraybolt3[m]> On the MOK screen, you click the "Enroll keys" entry, I believe, then confirm that you want to enroll keys, then type a password. "Enroll keys" basically means that you're telling the system that any drivers with a particular ID signature are safe. The system then applies that ID signature to any third-party drivers you need to install to make your system work.
[17:44] <pickanick> Do I need to know the ID signature? How do I know it?
[17:44] <arraybolt3[m]> The system handles the ID signature stuff for you.
[17:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (There's a lot of technical details about what's happening behind the scenes, this is just a simple overview of what's happening.)
[17:46] <pickanick> Unfortunately I may forget the correct interpretation by the time I face the MOK screen again.
[17:47] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: That's fine. You just have to select the "Enroll keys" thing when you see the blue MOK screen.
[17:49] <pickanick> termbin.com/fzoh
[17:50] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, how about "lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999"?
[17:52] <pickanick> termbin.com/0cvw
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> ?! I'm not seeing a WiFi device in your system at all. Did WiFi work in Windows? (Assuming you had Windows on this system previously)
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait nevermind, found it.
[17:55] <pickanick> Yes, works fine in windows.
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, can you run "apt list --installed | grep rtl | nc termbin.com 9999"?
[17:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Right.  I just can't read, I guess. Took me a few tries to find the WiFI device in the lsusb output. 🙃
[17:58] <pickanick> rtl: only python3-reportlab* and python3-importlib, these are not the packages you are looking for.
[18:01] <pickanick> So not enrolling keys means the packages can be installed but can not run?
[18:01] <pickanick> Or cannot be installed?
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Correct.
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> But if the rtl packages weren't installed, that makes me think that somehow your drivers were skipped entirely.
[18:02] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm not able to tell the exact driver needed here, so this will be some trial-and-error, but lets try "sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms".
[18:04] <pickanick> what's a simple IRC client for GNOME so that I can do IRC on that machine?
[18:04] <rob0> was there a "lsmod" pasted somewhere?
[18:04] <murmel> pickanick: polari
[18:05] <ubergeek> lotuspsychje: no problem :)
[18:05] <pickanick> rob0: no. lsmod with no arguments?
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Hexchat
[18:05] <rob0> TBH I've never had a problem with network drivers on a Linux machine. All the ones I have owned, they Just Work.
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Or WeeChat, or IRSSI, or...
[18:06] <rob0> lsmod yes, it lists the modules your kernel has loaded
[18:08] <pickanick> termbin.com/4txm
[18:12] <pickanick> Do I need to MOK again somehow?
[18:12] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: Once the driver is installed, yes. It should give you the option of doing it during installation.
[18:13] <pickanick> installed rtl8812au-dkms.
[18:14] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: If you didn't get an option to enroll a key when you did that, run "sudo update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key".
[18:15] <pickanick> It did ask for a password I needed to present on reboot.  Reboot now?
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, reboot, and you should get the MOK screen.
[18:18] <mort> I'm a bit surprised that it's apparently not possible to upgrade running snaps
[18:21] <pickanick> Option 2 "Enroll MOK" vs Option 3 "Enroll Key from Disk".  Does Option 2 also enroll key from disk?  Which do I want?
[18:22] <pickanick> Err. wish I had saved the directions on the splash screen earlier.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Enroll MOK.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> pickanick: ^
[18:24] <pickanick> I took the option 2 and enrolled MOK. Was there a second step I need to do?
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> If it let you enter a passuword and then it worked, you should be good.
[18:25] <pickanick> ok I entered a password once and it was satisfied and offered to reboot.
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Then you should be done. Reboot and see what happens.
[18:26] <pickanick> no wifi
[18:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud. Must have been the wrong driver then.
[18:27] <pickanick> Also the sound output is still "Dummy Device"
[18:27] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, run "apt-cache search realtek" and you should be able to see the Realtek WiFi drivers for Ubuntu. Use "sudo apt remove rtl8812au-dkms" to remove the old driver, then try installing one of the others.
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> When you install the right one, it should immediately make the WiFi start working. At least it does on other WiFi chips, dunno if your particular one will work that way or not.
[18:30] <pickanick> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1303035/rtl8821cu-wifi-bluetooth-usb-0bdac820 suggests 8821cu, I'll try that.
[18:34] <pickanick> hmm there is only 8821ce not cu ....
[18:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Your card didn't specify what chipset it had, and Realtek apparently used the same USB device ID for multiple chipsets, so...
[18:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd just keep trying them until one works. The ce one looks hopeful.
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Uninstall the old one before installing the new one.)
[18:38] <pickanick> This install did not trigger a MOK enrollment, is that expected?
[18:38] <tomreyn> pickanick: there's a utility called "ubuntu-drivers" which autodetects packages to install for driver support. it also provides a graphical user interface, whch is now integrated into the "Settings" application.
[18:40] <tomreyn> as indicated before, i don't expect that there is driver support for this wireless chipset in ubuntu (try ubuntu-drivers nevertheless), but you can try using what is available from the github repositoriry i pointed you to earlier.
[18:40] <tomreyn> https://github.com/brektrou/rtl8821CU
[18:42] <tomreyn> This may or may not handle secureboot signing (although it *can* since it seems to integrate with DKMS).
[18:43] <pickanick> The instructions there appear to assume that the wifi is already visible "Check the interface name of your wifi adapter using ifconfig"  Should I follow the directions there anyway?
[18:43] <pickanick> is there anyway to check whether secureboot is blocking loading of needed drivers?
[18:44] <alkisg> pickanick: sure, if modprobe driver says "permission denied" in dmesg, it's an issue with secure boot
[18:44] <tomreyn> pickanick: good point, this part about getting the interface name on the github page doesn't make a lot of sense, you can still do it later, i guess.
[18:45] <alkisg> For 8821cu the best repository is https://github.com/morrownr/8821cu-20210118
[18:45] <tomreyn> pickanick: when modules cannot load, it will be logged to the system logs, accessbile using journalctl
[18:46] <pickanick> "The application Passwords and Keys has closed unexpectedly" -- this is just a convenience password wallet, nothing to do with secure boot?
[18:47] <tomreyn> pickanick: the  github repository alkisg pointed to looks better indeed.
[18:47] <oerheks> alkisg, found that too, based on 20210118/5.1.2  but tomreyn url is based on 5.4.1
[18:48] <tomreyn> pickanick: "Passwords and Keys" is called seahorse - it stores / manages multiple types of secret keys, but not the secureboot ones, i think.
[18:48] <alkisg> morrownr has been maintaining 88x2bu, 8821cu and 8812au for years, he has support up to kernel 6 currently
[18:49] <brkroott> is there a way to change uefi settings without rebooting into firmware setup?  like for example can i enable/disable secure boot from terminal?
[18:49] <tomreyn> brkroott: you cannot enable / disable secureboot from a terminal
[18:50] <brkroott> ok, thanks
[18:50] <pickanick> Does one MOK enrollment suffice for all drivers?
[18:51] <tomreyn> brkroott: efibootmgr -v    can be useful (also with other options)
[18:52] <tomreyn> pickanick: i have little experience with secure boot, but would expect that you only need to enroll one MOK (machone owner key) for any DKMS managed kernel modules which get automatically signed with it.
[18:52] <brkroott> tomreyn, it just shows the boot order and whats loaded
[18:52] <tomreyn> brkroott: and enables you to change it, right
[18:53] <brkroott> perhaps, I will see the man / -help for it
[18:53] <pickanick> Do the lsusb etc output suggest what driver might support the audio device?
[18:54] <tomreyn> pickanick: http://termbin.com/4txm shows that intel SOF audio driver + codec are loaded.
[18:56] <tomreyn> pickanick: you can try managing volumes using "alsamixer", a small application worknig in a terminal window. use F keys (i think F6 or F9) to switch between audio cards, and raise volumes for what needs to be raised.
[18:56] <pickanick> are those in the repos or available from Intel directly?
[18:57] <tomreyn> pickanick: the audio chipset driver is loaded, it was provided by ubuntu. have you installed all pending updates, yet?
[18:57] <tomreyn> +rebooted?
[18:58] <pickanick> All updates were applied many reboots ago ... I have yet to try the ubuntu-drivers yet tho.
[18:58] <tomreyn> if sound remains broken after the above, run asla-info and have it post its output online, and share it here
[18:58] <tomreyn> * alsa-info
[19:01] <tomreyn> pickanick: just to put this into context: the complexity of what you're going through is in parts caused by the no-name product nature of this laptop (hardware components with limited driver support) as well as by keeping secure boot enabled.
[19:02] <tomreyn> (this is not the usual out of the box experience)
[19:04] <pickanick> ubuntu-drivers devices # no output
[19:05] <oerheks> That would explain the SOF driver for audio, sof-audio-pci
[19:07] <tomreyn> pickanick: i think if you can post another    journalctl -b   after reboot that can do us good
[19:17] <pickanick> tomreyn,arraybolt3[m],alkisg,oerheks and others : I appreciate your persistence in helping me.
[19:17] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:18] <ick> pickanick's alsa-info is at http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=55f5e72e9d9f539045504947c525d92dcc03c88b
[19:21] <pickanick> I'm having an extreme out of box experience
[19:27] <pickanick> Say, is uuencode / uudecode in the ubuntu repositories? It's an old tool. If not is there a recommended replacement?
[19:28] <leftyfb> pickanick: shareutils
[19:29] <tomreyn> without the e
[19:29] <hggdh> pickanick: sudo apt install sharutils
[19:30] <ick> pickanick's journalctl -b https://dpaste.com/22H4GV964
[19:30] <tomreyn> pickanick: one audio device was detected, and that's linked to hdmi. but this can be correct.
[19:33] <pickanick> hmm in the "Sounds" setting page, the output device is "Dummy Device" and cannot be changed and the testing buttons are silent. The input device field is blank and inactive.
[19:34] <tomreyn> hmm weird. must be something with pulseaudio then. alsamixer shows the sound card and mixer settings though, right?
[19:37] <tomreyn> oh you probably need sudo apt install firmware-sof-signed
[19:39] <ick> Card: sof-hda-dsp Chip: Intel Geninilake HDMI
[19:39] <ick> Playback: three 0 S/PDIF, three 100% PGA2.0 3.0 4.0
[19:40] <ick> "This sound device does not have any capture controls"
[19:40] <tomreyn> did you see what i wrote above?
[19:41] <tomreyn> apt list --installed firmware-sof-signed
[19:41] <ick> firmware-sof-signed is already the newest version (2.0-1ubuntu3).
[19:41] <tomreyn> :-/
[19:42] <tomreyn> i wonder whether this would start working if you had secure boot off
[19:45] <pickanick> I have not yet tried the recommended wifi driver at https://github.com/morrownr/8821cu-20210118 , will try that later.
[19:47] <tomreyn> ESSX8336 would be the audio codec apparently, AKA 83x6
[19:48] <tomreyn> "sof-audio-pci-intel-apl 0000:00:0e.0: warn: FW ABI is more recent than kernel" makes me think it might work with a newer kernel
[19:52] <pickanick> secure boot off: wifi and sound are still the same.
[19:53] <oerheks> so you just build that wifi driver?
[19:53] <tomreyn> thanks for trying without secure boot.
[19:55] <tomreyn> pulseaudio is not happy: pulseaudio[923]: 'pulseaudio[923]: Failed to find a working profile.' and 'Failed to load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_0e.0-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_0e.0-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic" namereg_fail=false tsched=yes fixed_latency_range=no ignore_dB=no deferred_volume=yes use_ucm=yes avoid_resampling=no card_properties="module-udev-detect.discover
[19:55] <tomreyn> ed=1""): initialization failed.'
[19:56] <pickanick> oerheks: yes, but it seems like it may take a bit of care and time, so I'll try it later.
[20:00] <pickanick> I'd like to get your advice on the desktop wifi errors -- in particular, do they suggest a hardware problem, or just a driver problem.
[20:01] <tomreyn> https://github.com/thesofproject/linux/pull/3338 may be related to the audio issues.
[20:01] <pickanick> what does that mean to the end user (me)?
[20:02] <tomreyn> that your audio codec may need special handling (a "quirk") which may only be available in later kernel versions.
[20:02] <tomreyn> or, put more simply, you may want to try a newer kernel, if you can.
[20:03] <tomreyn> unfortunately "want to try newer / test kernel" and "want to use secure boot" may not go together well.
[20:04] <pickanick> I remember quirks from the day of coaxing hardware to suspend, and what is more, to resume completely.
[20:06] <pickanick> I will have to continue at another time. Does #ubuntu have a daily cycle of peak brainpower -- such as 9am - 5pm in some timezone?
[20:06] <tomreyn> i see linux 5.17.2 refer to those patches, so this may be the minimum version to try.
[20:07] <tomreyn> nothing defnitive there. just try your luck, someone is always around.
[20:07] <tomreyn> or almost always ;)
[20:08] <pickanick> ok thank you and thank you all.
[20:08] <tomreyn> good luck
[20:28] <Guest17> Hi. I have a major issue
[20:29] <Guest17> I've installed vmware-host-modules to make my vmware to work. But instead m network stopped working.
[20:30] <Guest17> I have Ubuntu 20.04.1, kernels 5.15.0-48- generic and 5.15.0-46-generic
[20:31] <tomreyn> pickanick: bookmark this: https://github.com/thesofproject/linux/wiki/ES8336-support - looks like you really need a (yet more) recent kernel for this.
[20:31] <tomreyn> !mainline | pickanick
[20:31] <Guest17> https://github.com/mkubecek/vmware-host-modules this is what I've installed
[20:35] <tomreyn> Guest17: you probably want the latest vmware virtualization software, and not those outdated patches.
[20:36] <Guest17> ok, but now the priority is to restore my network connection :(
[20:36] <tomreyn> unload vmnet
[20:37] <Guest17> how?
[20:38] <tomreyn> sudo rmmod vmnet
[20:38] <Guest1713> tomreyn, i got disconnected
 sudo rmmod vmnet
[20:38] <Guest1713> am back again(am on cellphone)
[20:39] <Guest1713> it says error module in use
[20:40] <sarnold> ip link delete the interfaces using that module?
[20:40] <tomreyn> then bring down all networking so it's no longer used, unload it, remove it so it won't be loaded again, restart networking
[20:40] <tomreyn> or maybe what sarnold says is sufficient
[20:42] <sarnold> (do note that unloading kernel modules is racy and unsafe; it's possible that configuring it to not be used and then rebooting is the better approach)
[20:42] <Guest1713> I see vmnet1 and vmnet8 top right above the Wifi
[20:43] <Guest1713> So what should I do now?
[20:44] <Guest1713> should i configure the system not to use vmnet and reboot?
[20:45] <Guest1713> if so how to do that?
[20:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> what should I do if my ubuntu stopped recognizing external ssds?
[20:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> can I reboot thunar?
[20:49] <tomreyn> thunar is an application. you can stop it (or kill the process) and start it.
[20:49] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oh, htop?
[20:50] <Aavar> I have and issue with I/O-wait on one of my servers. It shows as errors/warnings in glances. Last time I had such errors a few years back it was a harddrive that was failing. How can I check which harddrive that has issues?
[20:51] <tomreyn> Aavar: does "dmesg" report anything regarding "I/O" or "media sense" "timeout" related issues?
[20:51] <mko_> does anyone figured out how to use VB VM with secure boot?
[20:51] <murmel> mko_: sign the module
[20:52] <mko_> murmel, ok will search for this. tnx
[20:52] <Aavar> tomreyn: no, it does not
[20:55] <Aavar> Btw. I have 6 drives total. a ssd-bootdrive, a hdd backup drive, two hdds in raid1 (mdadm) and two hdds in zfs raid1.
[20:55] <Aavar> I suspect it's the backup-drive that is failing...
[20:57] <tomreyn> Aavar: iostat will report where (reads and) writes are taking place.
[20:59] <tomreyn> sudo iostat -x 2 5     but ignore the first chunk of output (i.e. wait 10 seconds, look at the second and following)
[21:00] <Aavar> tomreyn: am I looking for red numbers?
[21:01] <tomreyn> high values, above 100
[21:02] <tomreyn> those would indicate that something is demanding more i/o than the hardware can provide.
[21:02] <tomreyn> https://madflojo.medium.com/troubleshooting-high-i-o-wait-in-linux-358080d57b69 is a nice enough guide
[21:03] <tomreyn> see also the part below for "processes that are waiting for I/O are commonly in an 'uninterruptible sleep'" (process state 'D')
[21:04] <tomreyn> start from the top, though, first check whether you actually have high iowait
[21:05] <Aavar> It looks like it might be an issue with mutiple drives...
[21:06] <Guest1713> tomreyn sarnold, if possible please help me solve the networking issue further
[21:07] <sarnold> Guest1713: sorry, I haven't actually installed the vmware tools before, so I'm not real familiar with how you uninstall them again later :(
[21:07] <tomreyn> same.
[21:08] <Aavar> tomreyn: and now it slowed down... I'll keep an eye on it. THank you :)
[21:08] <tomreyn> Aavar: did you say mdadm RAID? could be the monthly mdadm checkarray job.
[21:09] <tomreyn> cat /proc/mdstat    would tell
[21:09] <Guest1713> sarnold, should uninstalling vmware halp solve the issue?
[21:10] <Aavar> tomreyn: what am I looking for? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wnhW22V7Dv/
[21:10] <tomreyn> Aavar: a progress bar, which is not there
[21:10] <sarnold> Guest1713: it's quite possible, yeah. I haven't really paid attention to vmware for 15-ish years..
[21:10] <Aavar> tomreyn: ok, thank you :)
[21:12] <tomreyn> Aavar: you could also run smartctl -x against all disks, or even run short self tests (-t short) and check -x output after some 20 or so minutes
[21:13] <Guest1713> sarnold it is working after uninstall of vmware
[21:13] <Guest1713> thanks sarnold and tomreyn
[21:13] <sarnold> \o/
[21:13] <Aavar> tomreyn: I am getting over 100 on sda (boot drive). Do you think I should be worried? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j3f5j4cbzh/
[21:14] <Guest1713> :))))
[21:17] <Aavar> I'll be back another day. Sick kid :(
[21:22] <tomreyn> Aavar: %util is hardly above 100, it doesn't seem bad.
[21:23] <tomreyn> but you seem to have much writes going to sda. so maybe try to find out what it is and whether that's necessary.
[21:24] <bancroft> I have a VM where ncdu reports / as having maybe 13 GB total used, but then df -h reports / as having 28GB. How can I find what's taking up the room that I can't seem to delete with ncdu?
[21:24] <tomreyn> Aavar: also fstrim -v can helpwith ssds 'growing slow'. say hello to the kiddo for me. ;-)
[21:29] <tomreyn> bancroft: http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2008/12/why-du-and-df-display-different-values.html
[21:32] <tomreyn> bancroft: a common explanation: running processes having a (n open file) handle on a deleted file. to list deleted files with yet existing file descriptors: sudo find /proc/*/fd -ls | grep deleted
[21:33] <tomreyn> the number after /proc/ is the process id, for example, 1234. use "ps 1234" to know more about this process.
[21:35] <bancroft> tomreyn: that's really cool, so should I kill -15 those processes now to free up some room? I recognize a log file I deleted
[21:36] <tomreyn> bancroft: kill (-1) should be enough, let them end cleanly. but make sure those are processes that are safe to end now, not your production webserver or database or something?
[21:36] <tomreyn> or your desktop environment
[21:55] <CurryPowder11> Hi, as in hydrogen
[21:55] <CurryPowder11> Can I remove After=network.target, from my code: https://dpaste.com/FZZBFBVGY.txt ?
[21:55] <CurryPowder11> I just want the command to run once before network devices are started
[21:56] <tomreyn> CurryPowder11: on which ubuntu release is this?
[21:56] <CurryPowder11> Lubuntu 22.04
[21:57] <tomreyn> i see you're cross posting from #linux
[21:58] <CurryPowder11> Yes, these are two different chat rooms
[21:58] <CurryPowder11> like two different cities
[21:58] <CurryPowder11> I'm probing the humans from both rooms for intelligence on this question.
[22:03] <CurryPowder11> I'm trying to discover how to run the "execstart" part as a terminal code: https://dpaste.com/D5HTACVFC.txt
[22:04] <leftyfb> CurryPowder11: let us know when/if you stop asking for help in #linux and we'll be happy to help you
[22:04] <CurryPowder11> Ok
[22:05] <CurryPowder11> These are 2 diffrerent rooms
[22:05] <CurryPowder11> So can you help me?
[22:06] <arraybolt3[m]> CurryPowder11: We generally discourage crossposting, in part because if you try to follow two different sets of instructions from two different groups of people at the same time, you may really scramble things. Try following just one group's set of instructions first.
[22:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (i.e., let #linux help, if they can't help, we're here.)
[22:06] <CurryPowder11> Ok great
[22:06] <CurryPowder11> Linux isnt aviable to help now, so Im here =)
[22:06] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[22:16] <arraybolt3[m]> CurryPowder11: OK, so what exactly are you trying to make work?
[22:17] <CurryPowder11> Does this syntax look right for my bash script
[22:17] <CurryPowder11> https://dpaste.com/65ZSW6CXF.txt
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Syntaxwise, I don't see anything wrong with it, but what is it intended to do?
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks like it sets the system hostname to a random item from a list.
[22:22] <arraybolt3[m]> CurryPowder11: Also, is it misbehaving? If so, how?
[22:26] <CurryPowder11> Yes
[22:26] <CurryPowder11> It isnt misbehaving
[22:26] <CurryPowder11> does my systemd service look syntax-correct
[22:35] <arraybolt3[m]> CurryPowder11: OK so...
[22:36] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know a whole ton about systemd, so I'll leave that for others to answer.
[22:37] <brkrott> I cant add usb to work on vb vm. I have installed the extention pack, added the users and it doesnt work. Is it because im running the VB with no secure boot?
[22:38] <tomreyn> is there now a visual basic virtual machine?
[22:39] <brkrott> whats that?
[22:39] <tomreyn> a suggestion to expand some of your acronyms
[22:40] <brkrott> vb = virtual box (oracle)
[22:40] <brkrott> not good?
[22:40] <tomreyn> much better!
[22:40] <brkrott> :)
[22:42] <arraybolt3[m]> brkrott: I've never managed to pass through a USB device into VirtualBox, and I've fought with it for hours before.
[22:42] <arraybolt3[m]> brkrott: On the other hand, using GNOME Boxes, USB passthrough just works.
[22:42] <brkrott> arraybolt3[m], almost each tutorial out there is a success (or at least people are saying it worked for them)
[22:43] <arraybolt3[m]> So if VBox USB passthrough isn't working for you either, my suggestion is to shutdown all VBox machines, run `sudo apt install gnome-boxes`, and then pick up from there.
[22:43] <brkrott> arraybolt3[m], i will try
[22:43] <leftyfb> brkrott: the issue is entirely on Vbox, not the OS. Once the device is passed through, you should see it with lsusb or dmesg
[22:43] <tomreyn> brkrott: You could also ask virtualbox questions in #vbox on OFTC.
[22:44] <brkrott> tomreyn, ok, didn't know they got a channel, is it on libera again?
[22:45] <brkrott> arraybolt3[m], i think the problem might be because the secure boot is disabled.
[22:45] <tomreyn> brkrott: OFTC is a different itc network, oftc.net
[22:45] <arraybolt3[m]> brkrott: No, it's on OFTC. OFTC is a different IRC network.
[22:45] <leftyfb> brkrott: that would not be the cause
[22:45] <tomreyn> *IRC
[22:46] <brkrott> ah ok
[22:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, good luck trying to even install VirtualBox if Secure Boot is enabled. It won't block or allow USB passthrough, but it definitely will make installation trickier. Doable, but trickier.)
[22:46] <leftyfb> brkrott: secure boot being disabled solves problems, it doesn't cause them
[22:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (VirtualBox requires drivers that aren't in Ubuntu by default, and Secure Boot + third party drivers = tricky.)
[22:46] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Strongly agree.
[22:47] <arraybolt3[m]> *I strongly agree
[22:48] <brkrott> yes, right, there is a third party tools that can make the usb passthrough but I don't really want to iuse third party tools
[22:52] <brkrott> nobody active in oftc vbox
[22:54] <brkrott> what to do with these gnome boxes arraybolt3[m]
[22:55] <arraybolt3[m]> brkrott: Open it, make a new VM in it.
[22:56] <arraybolt3[m]> brkrott: Once the VM is made, there's a menu you open in the upper-right hand corner to get to Preferences, if you click it you'll get a window with three tabs. Click the middle tab, from there you can pass through a USB device to the VM.
[22:56] <mko_> ok, will try
[22:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (Boxes is virtualization software like VirtualBox, but it uses QEMU and KVM to run virtual machines, which works better on Linux. It also has working USB passthrough support in my experience.)
[22:59] <brkrooot> never heard of it. I know only virtualbox and vmware. Anyways im installing some ubuntu now with boxes
[23:00] <brkrooot> the installation feels much much faster
[23:06] <brkrooot> its good, i like it. But how I make the usb passthrough
[23:06] <arraybolt3[m]> brkrooot: There's a menu in the upper-right corner of the window (I think it's three stacked dots). Click it.
[23:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Then click Preferences.
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Then "Devices and Shares".
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Under USB Devices, you should be able to pass through the device of your choice.
[23:08] <brkrooot> yep, done it but now the vm doesnt start. Just loading
[23:10] <brkrooot> hm, ok nevermind, but still cant see the usb, after i added it from the preferences
[23:10] <brkrooot> does anything else need to be done once i load the vm?
[23:11] <brkrooot> ah it works
[23:11] <brkrooot> it has to be loaded as well, once in the vm
[23:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice!
[23:13] <brkrooot> yeah, thanks a lot. That solved my problem - ish ! so most people are using other virtualbox or vmware, instead of boxes, are you aware of any cons?
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Boxes is lesser-known, and also it saves a VM's RAM to disk if you back out of it - you have to specifically enable "Allow running in background" to avoid that.
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Other than that and a few glitches, Boxes works fantastic for me.
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (Really it's just a GUI on top of QEMU and KVM, and QEMU+KVM are extremely well-known and used all over the place.)
[23:16] <brkrooot> yeah, I like it so far. apart from few things like double click isn't working, but i guess i can fix that and other things, just have to play around with it
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Double-click isn't working?
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> I've not had that experience, maybe the OS inside the VM is misbehaving?
[23:20] <brkrooot> after restart it got working now
[23:25] <morgan-liveusb> tomreyn or other persons: memory passed with flying colors after many hours. computer shows ubuntu splash then black. Used to work before I updated zoom.
[23:26] <morgan-liveusb> dell desktop 22.04 upgraded from 20.04
[23:30] <oerheks> go into recovery mode, remove zoom
[23:30] <brkrot> arraybolt3[m], i got it worked the usb passhtrough with the virtualbox. Problem was that adding user to the vboxusers group needed a reboot. I was doing only relogging
[23:30] <Bashing-om> morgan-liveusb: I had a similar experience of the GUI not starting after the upgrade - what shows ' dpkg -l gdm3 ' ?
[23:32] <brkrot> sudo adduser $USER vboxusers, and then reboot for user to be added
[23:50] <CurrySpice15> I'm using Lubuntu 22.04, Im trying to open AppImages, I set the image to executable, but several appimages won't open.
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> CurrySpice15: Try installing libfuse2.
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> `sudo apt install libfuse2`
[23:52] <CurrySpice15> yeshttps://itsfoss.com/cant-run-appimage-ubuntu/
[23:52] <CurrySpice15> yes
[23:52] <CurrySpice15> thanks