[00:00] lagunaloire: well, very likely you would need to package it yourself, and then try to push it to debian, because it was pulled in 2011, which means nobody stepped up since then [00:01] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/snes9x so you can see yourself ;) [00:01] murmel ok i will try to look into that in my spare time but i have a lot of games to evaluate first for the gaming community [00:01] looking at the compiling wiki site, i would not recommend doing it for as the first package [00:02] murmel yes i know since there are many plugins for epsxe 1.6 that plays final fantasy 7 correctly with the hand pointers [00:04] or at least there were 20 years ago [00:12] tomreyn if ubuntu doesn't get the apps..then who will hear the echoes of stories unable to be told [00:13] lagunaloire: please give me some rest, i don't think i can help with these requests. if you have an ubuntu support question, you are welcome to ask here. please don't address those who have indicated they cannot help with what you're seeking. [00:14] tomreyn ok tom sorry [00:14] no problem [00:34] murmel i found the old pete's plugins for epsxe which used to be pretty good but i will have to take some time to make debian packages out of them [00:35] murmel they are still at this url http://www.pbernert.com/html/gpu.htm [00:38] murmel it still has several shaders to enhance games using opengl so some of the stuff has not been lost [00:41] lagunaloire: please remember this is not the channel for stuff like this. but especially with archive.org around, it should be possible to retrieve most stuff === ubuntu is now known as Guest9878 [00:41] murmel i have heard of archive.org ..that is has lots of books and games but i heard it was being sued or complained about [00:45] it's a thin veil around massive, galactic-level piracy [00:45] and somehow not really even the point of that lawsuit [00:46] some people call it piracy, some say it's for archiving our history. i tend to believe it's the second [00:46] the two are not mutually exclusive [00:46] archiving things often requires piracy [00:46] but I have to agree, offering an emulator in the browser is a bit too far [00:47] bparker: not that I am aware of. but I guess depends on the country [00:48] but more importantly [00:48] epsxe should NEVER be used anymore [00:48] how come? [00:48] it's hilariously bad, very buggy and extremely inaccurate [00:49] there are way better options these days [00:49] by far [00:49] like mednafen, duckstation, etc. [00:49] hell even pcsx [00:49] no idea, if I play retro stuff, i unpack my snes [00:50] as long as you don't use zsnes [00:50] i never liked playing console games on pc, no idea why. maybe because I really like having the actual controller in hand (i know there are converters, but then I can also just play on the actual hw) [00:51] most 3rd party controllers are just bad :/ especially imo with nintendo stuff, as they tend to have good products (no idea anything newer than snes on the other hand) [00:51] I got to having too many consoles that it was always too inconvenient when I wanted to play something [00:52] bparker: no switch for the input? [00:53] i never had that issue, as i stopped with consoles after snes, and moved on to pc, never left :) [00:54] murmel: with so many, you often have to stack multiple switches on top of each other, it's too complex [00:55] you want snes? ok switch 1 port 4, now xbox? switch 3 port 2 THEN switch 2 port 4 [00:55] or whatever [00:55] xD, okay when you have that many... [00:55] then you gotta get out the right controller [00:55] and hope it's not dead [00:55] if it has batteries [00:55] etc etc [00:56] bparker i disagree with you about epsxe version 1.6 only as it played final fantasy 7,8, and 9 flawlessly [00:57] honestly, I don't understand console players nowadays. as there is almost no difference between pc and console, and as they also update games nowadays, there is literally no reason to use a console imo [00:57] bparker it was able to cycle through all 12 or so cd's flawlessly [00:57] bparker from beginning to end of stories on all of them [00:58] bparker and they are 3 of square's greatest games [00:59] bparker i tried pcsxr and it doen't display the hands in final fantasy 7 which ruins the game [00:59] bparker only epsxe version 1.6 which lets you put in special features for the game so it works great [00:59] bparker also legend of the dragoon worked flawlessly [01:00] bparker which was a very interesting story [01:00] bparker that was about 20 years ago...but it needs to still work today else who will hear the echoes of stories unable to be told [01:01] could you all just move this conversation somewhere else then, please? i'm sure there must be some retro gaming channels around here, !alis would know. === oyos is now known as morgan-laptop [01:15] and the desktop wont boot and holding down shift did not give me grub. all I did was try and update zoom (while it was running and ... it wouldnt restart so I did a hard poweroff and ..) 22.04 [01:16] you started your sentence with "and" which makes it look like someone before that is missing? [01:17] if you're booting in uefi mode then you'll need to hit escape, not hold down shift [01:17] bios mode [01:18] morgan-laptop: EFI system? Then it is the escape key that grub looks for - hard power off -- maybe a file system check is now in order ? [01:18] but why not try that (the and was a continuation of spending the better part of a day hanging with this channel and more fussing. Then it throws me a curve. (totally affected drama. Pay it no mind) [01:20] OK tomreyn my friend, there was now A progress bar under the word dell and it goes to xubuntu splash screen. [01:21] (I tried installing w other desktop environments but I stuck with gnome. [01:21] after the splash screen, DARKNESS [01:21] morgan-laptop: probably a graphics driver issue. nvidia? [01:21] nope. [01:22] !bootlog [01:22] To get a more verbose log of the boot process, remove "quiet" and "splash" from the kernel boot parameters and add "debug systemd.log_level=info". For info on editing kernel boot parameters, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters [01:22] right I cant do that because I cant get to grub. [01:22] I had better go find my flash drives. [01:22] do you multi boot with windows by chance? [01:29] tomreyn: I started it in safegraphics mode tryubuntu. what next. ***the dell has only ubuntu on the hard drive. [01:31] morgan-laptop: so you have some dell desktop computer which has ubuntu 22.04 installed in bios mode on the internal disk, and after a recent unknown change it stopped booting to the graphical desktop? does this correctly sum up the issue? [01:31] tomreyn HELLO [01:32] hello there. [01:32] yes sir. [01:32] what changes did you make that may have caused it? [01:33] were you the person with the hardware issues? [01:33] I responded to a request to update zoom. ... then removed zoom and installed it with snap. because I thought I should do everything with snap so the updates are handled by the system. [01:33] something about memtest stopping? [01:33] the memtest thing is YEARS old. [01:34] you mean the software or the last time that it stopped in the middle? [01:34] but it does. I was going to run it with only one memory module of 2 and see if is was different but this am I had a zoom meeting which worked. Then I messed with it before the aternon zoom and boomboom [01:35] i have a feeling that i keep re-analyzing the same system, could this be true? [01:35] I mean the memtest issure which was that memtest freezes in the first cycle (and the dell memory tester passes fine) [01:35] issue [01:36] i think we suggested that you should try different memory testing software, and update your bios to the latest version, have you done both of this, and what were the results? [01:36] we looked at this 2 days ago. You looked at lots of logs, had me restart it with no discord to clean up the logs. [01:37] It did this before I could do that. I didnt understand how to update a bios is probably why I didnt do that. (forgot) [01:38] confession === xenial is now known as Guest1540 [01:39] okay, what about the other memory test, though? [01:39] also, did you take a photo of when it froze on the memory test you had been using so far? [01:41] ok what other memory test. I havent done that memory test for at least a year. I have not been trying to fix that. I had just accepted that. The issue was that chrome was messing up the computer and slowing it down. [01:42] The other Dell memory test revealed no problems. [01:42] those manufacturer tests are usually just basic functionality tests. [01:43] is there a log that will show any issues that happened as it booted off the flash drive? some text DID show up. [01:43] use https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm if you can uefi boot [01:43] I should go there on the dell. [01:43] journalctl -b would give you all that was logged [01:44] /nick morgan-dell [01:44] Something is fishy with libre office in my fresh install of ubuntu 22.04. Look and feel is that of a java AWT app (like applets) [01:44] but sometimes there are messages printed to screen which don't end up on the logs because logging isn't available at the time [01:45] tomreyn I will do that now but iir I am on a bios boot. === macabre is now known as elevenfingercrea [01:45] you can probably override the boot mode using some F key. === elevenfingercrea is now known as bitterqueso [01:47] ok I went to the url and see the usermanual. readme looks like I need to find a flashdrive and install it on the flash drive. [01:49] i think the installer also has a memtest option on the grub menu when you bios boot, but not sure. [01:51] tomreyn: OK I will reboot the dell and see if there is one. [01:51] is there a libre office channel? [01:52] !alis | Square [01:52] Square: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see «/msg Alis help list» or ask in #libera - Example usage: «/msg Alis list http» [01:53] tomreyn: the memory test is working now. [01:53] tomreyn, thanks [01:53] I am shocked and gladdened. [01:54] morgan-laptop: so youre using the one from the grub menu on the 22.04 installer iso? [01:54] tomreyn shall I let it run for hours? [01:55] morgan-laptop: yes, that's how you do it. let it run until it's done, at least 2 full passes i'd say. [01:55] OK. thanks. [01:55] morgan-laptop: if it freezes, take a photo and upload that and post the link here [01:56] yes tomreyn [01:57] good luck === M4he is now known as mahe [02:14] hi :) [02:22] what do you recommend. LibreOffice of Apache OpenOffice ? [02:23] I'm finding REALLY worrisome bugs in LibreOffice calc. Like basic undo is not working AT ALL. [02:23] Square: Definitely LibreOffice. OpenOffice was just shy of unmaintained last I looked (like I think there was one guy left working on it or something like that). [02:23] What version of Ubuntu are you on? [02:23] 22.04. [02:24] Libre office 7.4.1.2. [02:24] (calc that is) [02:24] arraybolt3[m], ^ [02:24] square you can't just backspace in a cell to empty its contents in place of undo [02:25] open a fresh document. Change background color on a number of cell matrices. Try to undo these. [02:25] square oh that is a little more complex [02:25] id say that is super basic functionality 2022 [02:26] * arraybolt3[m] proceeds to open LibreOffice calc, changes background color of a random selection, hits Ctrl+Z, everything works as expected, i.e. undo works [02:26] same here [02:26] It works for me even when I click a whole bunch of different simultaneous selections (hold Ctrl and then you can make multiple selections at once) [02:26] square well last i looked i was able to use the basic programming language to code routines and then place the results in a cell which i thought was great [02:26] I'm using Kubuntu 22.04. [02:28] It's consistently failing here. [02:28] square well for what i do it works great [02:28] I wonder how I'm going wrong. Pretty much fresh install done last month [02:28] why gnome-shell auto select right click item if I just hover the cursor on an item after a touchpad double-tap without clicking? [02:29] Square: 7.4.1.2 doesn't seem to be in any ubuntu release, are you using a snap? [02:30] ah right snap offers 7.4.1.2 [02:30] tomreyn, i believe i installed via apt? [02:30] 22.04 has 7.3.6.2 [02:30] it must me a snap or some other exteral source [02:30] used this guide https://tecadmin.net/how-to-install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-22-04/ [02:31] it really comes preinstalled. only the minimal version removes it [02:31] i went minimal [02:31] then apt install would have been enough :) [02:31] purge that PPA [02:31] you're using a PPA. you should always point it out when using software from a PPA [02:31] Square: You probably added an external repo, I'm guessing? Yeah, remove it. [02:31] and install the Ubuntu package version [02:32] Uninstall LibreOffice, remove the PPA, then install LibreOffice again. [02:32] so how should i uninstall it? [02:32] ok thanks [02:32] https://itsfoss.com/how-to-remove-or-delete-ppas-quick-tip/ [02:32] One moment... [02:32] Actually, ravage knows what he's doing, just do whatever he says. [02:32] i would not go that far :P [02:33] Well OK but you could say the same about me :P [02:33] ppa-purge is the best tool for it really [02:34] is : sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:libreoffice/ppa [02:34] enough? [02:34] no [02:34] i dont think that removes anything [02:34] No, you need to remove the old software also. [02:34] !ppa-purge [02:34] so the command is "sudo ppa-purge ppa:libreoffice/ppa" [02:34] To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [02:34] i've done that too ofcourse [02:34] Start with `sudo apt install ppa-purge`. [02:34] ^^ [02:35] Square: If you already uninstalled LibreOffice, did you also do the "sudo apt autoremove"? [02:35] Otherwise you'll have little bits and pieces of the wrong software possibly still in your system. [02:37] arraybolt3[m], no i did not do "sudo apt autoremove" [02:38] Am i screwed now [02:38] No. [02:38] Just, `sudo apt purge libreoffice && sudo apt autoremove`. [02:38] square i have version 7.6 or so and i picked a range of cells and changed their background color and then used ctrl-z and it undid the color just fine [02:39] Then `sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:libreoffice/ppa`. [02:39] That should do the trick - uninstall the old LibreOffice, clean up the little bits, remove the PPA. [02:39] Then once that's all done, then `sudo apt install libreoffice`. [02:40] square it works fine here [02:40] Uninstalling a program isn't for the faint of heart [02:41] ok, so now ive done all this. Time for : sudo apt install libreoffice-calc ? [02:41] You can do that. [02:42] Or if you want all of libreoffice, just sudo apt install libreoffice should do that. [02:42] I only use calc and writer tbh. Sometimes the powerpoint thingy too [02:43] thats alomost all of it already really :) [02:43] Great, now undo works [02:43] \o/ [02:43] square what about base ...how can you live without a database program to keep your recipes or your cd collection [02:43] thanks guys. [02:43] lagunaloire: That's what Calc is for. Base is... *really different.* [02:44] Square: Glad we were able to help! [02:44] arraybolt3...no you can use base as a graphical front-end for your database design and queries [02:44] arraybolt3..much easier than calc directly [02:44] for the future, I guess I should stay clear of first google result on how to do things linux. [02:45] Square: There's a *lot* of bad advise on the Internet when it comes to linux stuff, sadly. [02:45] square..yes check into official channels of apps or os for various questions [02:45] square google will really mess you up [02:46] square too many idiots posting nonsense on google searches [02:46] lagunaloire: Well I'm glad you have a system that works for you. Personally, Base is way too cumbersome for my liking for stuff like that. I'd feel way more at home with Calc. But that's just my opinion, whatever tool works for you, use. I'm using IRC via Element (a Matrix chat app), which is something I'm sure some people would hate, but I like it. [02:46] (But now I'm taking an off-topic conversation and running with it - maybe we shouldn't do that...) [02:47] arraybolt3...well base is like kexi very simple and very useful...but more powerful than kexi...and you can hook into sql databases also with a free version of java or some c++ code drivers [02:54] arraybolt3 i don't like the propietary sun java stuff so i use c++ code drivers from the university of utah that belong to the public domain since taxpayers pay for the research accomplishments [02:54] arrabolt3 and they work fine for hooking into various sql databases like mysql, postgress, and sqlite, and mariadb that i have tested [02:54] lagunaloire: Let's continue this in #ubuntu-discuss - I like this conversation but this isn't the room for it. [02:55] arraybolt3 ok i will check into ubuntu-discuss [03:09] Just a followup on previous post, is this how your libre office looks? https://imgur.com/a/6dJIpts [03:09] What... did you do...? [03:09] I find the look and feels is "basic java AWT" which feels a bit dated. [03:09] Nope. That is not how my LibreOffice looks. [03:09] Something has gotten confused with your UI stuff. [03:10] Maybe you need to do "sudo apt install libreoffice-gtk3"? [03:10] obviously. I haven't done much out of the ordinary at all. Fresh machine since 1 month. Fresh minimal install of basic ubuntu 22.04 on new computer. [03:11] well. you added a PPA :P [03:11] Try "sudo apt install libreoffice-gnome" and then restart Calc, see if that makes thing prettier. [03:11] ok, so not gtk3 ? [03:12] or just "libreoffice" and live with the few extra packages [03:12] The -gnome will pull in the -gtk3 most likely. [03:13] ok, ill try gnome [03:13] thanks again, that did it [03:13] as in fixed it [03:14] 👍️ [03:19] I installed Deepin DE on ubuntu 22.04 and then removed it then fonts were messed up, I reset fonts from the gnome tweaks tools, it works fine for English but for other languages it's not looking right; how do I reset it to default? [03:27] sudo apt update [03:27] oops wrog window :) === arraybolt3_ is now known as arraybolt3 === pickanick is now known as ick === ick is now known as pickanick === pickanick is now known as ick === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc [05:29] Before I could paste into terminal with SHIFT + Insert, but that seems gone now. Is there some easy trick to bring it back? [05:30] hisstory [05:30] *history [05:31] *shit. sorry. Type the command and you can follow it with an argument such as 8 or 10 to specifiy the desired lines of command history. Then copy and paste the command you want to run again or edit it accordingly. [05:33] Square: CTRL+SHIFT+v is pretty ordinary [05:33] since CTRL+c is for cancel in a Unixy term. So they become CTRL+SHIFT+ [05:34] matsaman, I try to avoid double modifier shorcuts [05:34] Square: the easiest trick would be to tell your window manager or other keymapping software to just do it [05:34] okok [05:34] well, a sensible GUI term will let you map paste to anything you desire [05:34] just on its own === ick is now known as pickanick [06:25] does wayland and ubuntu works with eGPU? === Fisher24459 is now known as Fisher2445 === scoobydoo_ is now known as scoobydoo === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [07:50] how lastlog is rotated by default? [07:53] it doesn't get rotated [07:54] It's not really a log file, it's rather a database [07:57] there's one entry per user and each entry has a static size. The entry for the user with uid 1000 is positioned at offset 1000 * sizeof(struct lastlog). It's a sparsely allocated file to avoid all the empty space of non-existant users taking up actual space on disk. === peter_ is now known as Guest7683 === rdr_ is now known as rdr === wez is now known as wez_hn [08:52] geirha, so this db is stored in the file wtmp? how big it can gets? [08:53] I was talking about /var/log/lastlog [08:54] geirha, ok so how big this db can reach? the max of a filesytsem file? [08:54] For fun, I just created a user with a ridiculously high uid (2123123123), and ls -lh now reports that it is 578G, while du -ha tells me the file only uses 48K of disk space [08:55] and that filesystem only has a size of 49G === gabriele_ is now known as gabriele [11:03] I've been browsing the net when my system froze (probably due to OOM). I cut the power to the machine and rebooted it. Now all my GNOME settings are gone. Is it possible to restore them? I have a complete root partition backup. This includes GNOME extensions, window positions etc. too. === cacti is now known as madmax === solsTiCe7 is now known as solsTiCe [11:54] I an umable to decipher this error message and google has not be helpful this problem just started recently on a previously working server. [11:54] warning: TLS library problem: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number [11:55] any insight would be greatly appreciated [11:56] I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [11:56] BCB: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70910540/how-to-solve-error1408f10bssl-routinesssl3-get-recordwrong-version-number [12:22] "but I have to agree, offering an..." <- emulators are not illegal [12:22] oh sorry I forgot this was IRC [12:37] I'm using ubuntu 20.04, and the git version there is 2.25.1. is there a backports newer version? where can I check that? [12:37] hethw: you could look for a PPA [12:37] what are my other options (besides 22.04, (pc has complicated setup)) [12:38] !ppa [12:38] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [12:38] tomreyn, yes, but usually backports cover some software [12:38] I just don't see a list [12:38] there are really only very few backports for ubuntu [12:39] https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal-backports/allpackages [12:40] alright. so what do I have except PPA as an option? [12:41] building from source, snaps, if any, flatpack, if any, other packaging formats, if any. [12:41] and, of course, upgrading. what's the complicated part about your upgrade path? [12:42] https://git-scm.com/download/linux provides information on a PPA [12:52] Trying to set up a relative's laptop for them to try Ubuntu. When booting with 22.04 usb installer, the wireless is not supported on boot. What can I do on the live USB boot to try to get it working? [12:52] wich chipset is the wifi card pickanick [12:52] how to find out? [12:53] pickanick: sudo lshw -C network [12:53] Hi all [12:54] hi [13:15] lotuspsychje: lshw -C network output: https://dpaste.com/BBL6N5SBK [13:16] pickanick: is this the same system as yesterday, or a different one? [13:16] This is a different system. It seems like the USB ethernet dongle is recognized, I'm not sure if the wifi card is there at all. [13:16] Wifi card works on windows. [13:17] is the wireless device onboard? [13:17] It is built into the laptop [13:18] SteelRose there is not middle box. I'm relaying mail from one server i contol to another server I control [13:18] *no [13:18] pickanick: do lspci -nnv or lsusb list it? [13:19] BCB: are you using ESM? [13:19] BCB: are those email servers running the same OS? perhaps Ubuntu 16.04 does not support SSLv3... that'd be my next guess [13:20] hopefully nothing does SSLv3 nowadays. [13:20] tomreyn: indeed :-) [13:21] BCB: if you're not using ESM this system would be end of life,and you'd need to reinstall or upgrade to get support. [13:30] i constantly get this message "pending update of 'snap store' close app to avoid disruption" but when i do snap refresh it tells me that all snaps are up to date and sometimes the message refers to firefox pending update [13:32] tomreyn: lsusb; lspci -nnv # https://dpaste.com/GQGADBZCL [13:32] jadenlian: This Q&A has instructions on how to get it to update: https://linux.codidact.com/posts/287070 [13:33] tomreyn: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:c820 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11ac NIC [13:34] arraybolt3[m]: ok [13:35] pickanick: it's this one: 0bda:c820 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11ac NIC [13:37] pickanick: should be supported by Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and newer out of the box according to https://linux-hardware.org/?id=usb:0bda-c820&page=1#status [13:38] Booting with the installation USB for Ubuntu 22.04, no wifi interface is seen. [13:40] pickanick: you could share a full boot log (journalctl -b), a full kernel log (journalctl -kb) or just hopefully capture relevant output using journalctl -b | grep -E '(c820|wireless|802\.11)' | nc termbin.com 9999 [13:40] pickanick: you could share a full boot log (journalctl -b), a full kernel log (journalctl -kb) or just hopefully capture relevant output using journalctl -b | grep -Ei '(c820|wireless|802\.11)' | nc termbin.com 9999 [13:41] i had been missing an 'i' there on the first try - use the second. [13:41] ok thanks [13:45] tomreyn, thanks for the help! [13:48] you're welcome! [13:51] tomreyn: the first is 700K, the second 100K, the third is two lines. [13:54] tomreyn: https://termbin.com/5th8 # journalctl -b | grep -Ei '(c820|wireless|802\.11)' | nc termbin.com 9999 [13:54] pickanick: 700k bytes, or lines, or bytes? [13:54] i mean bytes or lines [13:54] 700KBytes, does termbin have a limit? [13:55] 1k lines [13:55] these two lines won't help, sorry [13:55] you can try going through the log yourself if you prefer not to share it. [13:56] but it's a bit advanced to understand where things are not going as they should be [13:58] sometimes it's easier when there are module failures and it says "cut here" [14:00] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.0/admin-guide/bug-hunting.html [14:01] journalctl -kb | head -n 1000: https://termbin.com/fz0ru tail -n 200: https://termbin.com/zs5r [14:05] which kind of hardware is this? [14:05] It's a cheap off brand laptop, what are you noticing? [14:06] exactly that, i guess, i was looking at the "DMI:" output [14:07] it would usually say the mainboard (desktop/server) or laptop brand [14:09] Are you suggesting that "DMI: Default string Default string" does not suggest the highest quality workmanship? [14:10] pickanick: doesn't have to, but it could. [14:10] and i did get the joke ;) [14:11] excellent [14:12] the dmesg looks ok other than that, there's no indication of problems with the wireless, but it had not tried to load a module for it, yet [14:12] I do wonder if it is basically a brandless version of some branded device. [14:13] I do not mind sharing the full 700KB, 6150 line boot log, if it would be helpful, and you would suggest a way. [14:13] pickanick: ^ what would be interesting now is seing what happens when the module is chosen and loaded for this hardware and when network manager tries configure the wireless device (if it gets to this point). [14:13] !paste [14:13] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:14] dpaste has I thought 240K limit [14:14] bytes or lines? [14:14] bytes [14:14] i do not know [14:17] I'll send three pieces. [14:18] you can use pastebin.com as an exception, if you prefer ;) [14:19] dpaste says it has a maximum paste size of 250,000 characters. [14:26] pickanick: looks like this can actually be a driver issue. https://github.com/brektrou/rtl8821CU supposedly works, though [14:27] does ubuntu have uuencode / uudecode ? If full journal would be helpful then I could text encode an xz compressed file in much less space. [14:27] pickanick: cant you do a full install instead of a live, then update via eth and maybe get updated drivers for your wifi? [14:28] If it were my machine, yes. But it isn't. [14:29] pickanick: you need a long time live session to work on then? [14:30] i assume this means you need to prove that ubuntu works n it before you could install to the permanent storage? [14:30] *on it [14:30] if so, maybe you have another storage which the system could boot from that you could install to? can be another usb-connected one. [14:31] Yes, that's the plan; also might return it if it doesn't, and I don't know if seller would care. [14:32] Can I install on another USB? It's not the fastest solution but it's on hand. [14:32] pickanick: You can, but the installer may overwrite the bootloader on your main disk anyway. === Sario is now known as Sariboo [14:34] Ouch. [14:34] (Learned that one the hard way. :-S) [14:34] arraybolt3[m]: that would only happen if there already is an ubuntu installation on an uefi booting system through, right? [14:34] *though [14:35] tomreyn: I don't know, possibly? I know it sure happened to me, but then again I had an Ubuntu installaton on a UEFI booting system. [14:35] I only use Ubuntu on my systems other than my Chromebook, so I wouldn't know. [14:35] I think I saw it happen to one guy with his Windows system, however. [14:36] Can I just update selectively on the live USB ? Probably it would run out of space if it had to update everything to current? (8GB RAM) [14:36] yes, i don't see how that would pose an issue here unless the on-disk installation is already ubuntu [14:36] arraybolt3[m] was this recent? because I have lived through some terrifyingly ambiguous installers in the past [14:37] pickanick: you can update selectively using apt or synaptic [14:38] an installed system will certainly make it easier working with out of tree modules. [14:38] (I know in general, but it requires knowing *what* to update in this case) [14:38] pickanick: Yeah, pretty recent. Installed Ubuntu Kinetic (development release) on a flash drive on a system that had Ubuntu 22.04 on the internal disk. [14:38] Messed with my bootloader, had to boot manually from a GRUB rescue shell and then reinstall GRUB from within Ubuntu 22.04. [14:40] that's because, if uefi booted, the ubuntu installer will always install the boot loader on the one-and-only (it thinks) efi system partition, in the ubunut/ directory. [14:40] that's not an issue if you don't already have an ubuntu installation you want to keep booting to. [14:40] nor if you're bios booting [14:41] tomreyn: Ah, good. [14:42] Is the 22.04 installer a UEFI boot? [14:43] it supports booting in both uefi and legacy bios mode. which one you'll boot in is the firmwares' choice, which you may be able to control. [14:43] (using the "BIOS setup utility") [14:44] i think the bug arraybolt3[m] was referring to is bug 1396379 [14:44] Bug 1396379 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "installer uses first EFI system partition found even when directed otherwise" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396379 [14:44] but this should not apply here [14:45] So 1. is a second USB flashdrive an acceptable target? 2. I need to boot the installer in legacy BIOS mode to avoid this bug? [14:46] 1. yes. 2. only if you already have another ubuntu installation, otherwise it does not matter [14:47] (...and then uefi may be preferable) [14:47] UEFI boot may be preferable in which case? [14:48] oh -- if no existing ubuntu install. [14:49] exactly, and if the other OS that is already installed on disk also boots in uefi mode. [14:50] Complication: there are only two USB ports, so internet will not be available during the install. Is that OK? [14:57] pickanick: i think an offline installation can work, but haven't tried in a good while. [14:59] * pickanick embarks upon an unexpected adventure. [15:14] Ubuntu installs just fine without an Internet connection in my experience. [15:16] (We're not Windows 11. There's no mandatory Internet connection, no required cloud-based user account to sign in, no activation, and no limitation on what kind of drive you can install to. And no weird system requirements.) [15:16] anyone know if modern email clients use telnet to speak to SMTP servers when sending mail? [15:16] *no needless limitation on what kind of drive you can install to [15:18] kerfluffy: they don't. Why do you ask? [15:18] leftyfb i just wonder how authentication is done in modern clients [15:18] kerfluffy: modern, like old, email clients probably use a tcp connection, encrypt the transport with tls (maybe not old ones), and and speak the smtp protocol on it when talking to an smtp server [15:20] authentication would be using smtp-auth, or, for not-really-email-accounts, oauth or similar. [15:21] is authentication done each time a mail is sent though? or is the connection kept alive? [15:21] what's your ubuntu support question in this? [15:31] tomreyn all good now [15:31] thanks [15:33]