[01:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Welp, I made the epic mistake of installing Jammy rather than Kinetic into my VM, so now I'm trying to hack through shortcut-ville via a do-release-upgrade -d --allow-third-party.
[02:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow. I think just installing Kinetic would have been faster, but I'm finally upgraded.
[02:16] <arraybolt3[m]> MP4 video is working!
[02:16] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[02:17] <arraybolt3[m]> No more crazy errors in the terminal either.
[02:17] <arraybolt3[m]> And I verified that the VLC from the PPA was the one that was installed.
[05:46] <RikMills> vlc sync now in unapproved queue
[05:48] <guiverc> just FYI.. I did a Lubuntu kinetic install & tried playing random mp4 vids using vlc post-install; all worked as expected
 New bug filed 1991638 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1991638
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e508cd27/file_7076.jpg
[12:06] <arraybolt3[m]> @RikMills: Why does that seem wrong...
 It's not wrong. Just not very convenient for lubuntu :P
[12:18] <tsimonq2> The short of what we came to privately is that we need to a) make lubuntu-update-notifier or similar LXQt settings a drop-in replacement at least to some degree and b) lubuntu-update-notifier could either provide systemsettings, satisfying the depend, or kde-config-settings could be blacklisted from the seed in favor of our own functionality
[12:19] <tsimonq2> I believe we are too late in the 22.10 cycle to make a meaningful change that will pass a freeze exception request
[12:19] <tsimonq2> At least in this respect 
[12:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Does it cause a noticeable change on Lubuntu's UI?
[12:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, can you see System Settings in the Application Menu?
[12:20] <tsimonq2> That's something I have yet to discover (ba dum tshhh)
[12:20] <arraybolt3[m]> If no, I'd just let it slide. If yes... then I think we really need to fix that as it's a regression to have an extra, useless Settings menu, and it may get Lubuntu a lot of bad attention.
[12:20] <tsimonq2> In that case I would agree we at least need to blacklist it for now, good call 
[12:21] <arraybolt3[m]> And adding a seed blacklist won't be too horrible, right?
[12:21] <arraybolt3[m]> OK.
[12:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Correct, but it causes a regression in Discover from the user perspective
[12:21] <tsimonq2> That is, until our update notifier is properly adapted 
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Because now Discover won't be able to launch System Settings?
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, I see.
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[12:22] <tsimonq2> Or any update settings, for that matter 
[12:22] <tsimonq2> Yeah 
[12:22] <tsimonq2> Introducing regressions is worse than increasing the ISO size by much, although both are fairly high-severity issues
[12:23] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess it's something we'll have to SRU in after the fact. I think we can live with a (hopefully mild) regression in Discover, as opposed to a painfully obvious regression in the application menu. It all depends on whether we can see the thing or not.
[12:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (We could also figure out some way to hide it from the application menu, though.)
[12:23] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: This is possible 
[12:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Is the ISO built yet? If so, I'll zsync it.
[12:24] <tsimonq2> I always forget if it's done on the LXQt side (preferable 'cause we just have to tweak our settings) or in the desktop file itself
[12:24] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Then that's probably the best solution, as it avoids all regressions, at the expense of being gut-wrenchingly hacky. But sometimes hacky is better than the alternative.
[12:24] <tsimonq2> Fair enough 
[12:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Then we can work on untangling it for 23.04 Linguistic Llama or something. Or maybe SRU a fix into Kinetic eventually.
[12:25] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think Canonical probably won't take my suggested code name, what do you thing? :P)
[12:25] <arraybolt3[m]> s/thing/think/
[12:26] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[12:26] <tsimonq2> ah yes I have found the ancient scrolls 
[12:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Shoot, bad news. Better get to Application Menu hacking. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1991638
 Yes - under Preferences.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Like, can you see System Settings in the Application Menu?)
[13:13] <tsimonq2> So uh, one more thing... did Cala branding ever improve?
[13:13] <arraybolt3[m]> I have no clue :D
[13:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, yes, I do have a clue, it improved kinda, but the sidebar is still black.
[13:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (Must have had a brain lapse to have initially said I had no clue, sorry)
[13:14] <tsimonq2> It
[13:14] <tsimonq2>  * It just is sometimes :P
[13:14] <tsimonq2> In light of my typo I'll keep it concise but yeah... times do be like that sometimes
[13:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, branding should be relatively safe to work with, and Final Freeze is a ways off.
[13:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: So what exactly is the regression in Discover that happens if we just get rid of kde-config-updates?
[13:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, I guess it doesn't matter. We have a good solution planned out.
[13:36] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: there is a button on the setting page that says "configure updates" that does nothing
[13:37] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: don't feel like I'm ignoring you btw- dayjob comes first between 9-5 :)
[13:37] <RikMills> or even worse launches systemsettings with no updates section if systemsettings is still installed
[14:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: For the vlc sync, did you do -b {correct bug number}? 
[14:15] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: didn't think I needed to until I saw your comment after
[14:15] <RikMills> can adjust the status manually
[14:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that might've saved a step, but oh well.
[14:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I'm pulling the latest Lubuntu Kinetic ISO in the hopes of grappling with the latest problems with the System Settings from KDE and possibly also the theming problems in Calamares.
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Might take a bit since I'm doing this on a desktop that doesn't have the Lubuntu ISO yet :/
 New ISO ready in about 2 minutes.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Might take a bit since I'm doing this on a desktop that doesn't have the Lubuntu ISO yet :/)
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, I'll report back if anything good happens. If someone else horks one of these jobs before I get to them, lmk so that I can take whichever one is left over.
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh shooey. OK, I guess I should cancel this DL then?
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Download canceled, I'll pull the new one when it comes out.
 Now ready for download.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Download canceled, I'll pull the new one when it comes out.)
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️ For saving bandwidth I'm beaming my old file from one computer to the other, so it will be a bit before I start downloading, but it should overall go faster.
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Whew, my WiFi connection is sloooow. Maybe I should try and invest in some better network equipment too.)
 Assume you zsync. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️ For saving bandwidth I'm beaming my old file from one computer to the other, so it will be a bit before I start downloading, but it should overall go faster.)
[17:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep.
[17:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Better than waiting over an hour for every single ISO pull.
 What network speed do you have? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Better than waiting over an hour for every single ISO pull.)
[17:05] <arraybolt3[m]> WAN speed is about 600 kibibytes per second. LAN speed is closer to 5 mebibytes per second.
[17:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (Getting 5.3+ MB/s local speed at the moment.)
 Wow ..pretty slow .. I have 100 mbs
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. I live out in the middle of the woods where a cellular hotspot is the best service I can get (except *maybe* StarLink but I don't know if that's even available out here and it would be far pricier). That hotspot also doubles as router >_< But hey, it works, I'm thankful.
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> I can get gigabit speeds locally if I just run an Ethernet cable between my desktop and my laptop, but thanks to the age of my desktop and security concerns related to Intel AMT, I'm not doing that anymore.
 If it works is the main thing..and you certainly are doing a great job!!
[17:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks!