[00:23] would like to convert a fs to BTRFS so I can do compression. Can I mount uncompressed and just chattr +c on a directory - to get a compressed directory? [00:25] I'd be surprised if btrfs rewrites existing contents [00:25] you probably have to have the directory or subvolume or whatever it is marked for compression before writing anything into it [00:26] my plan is to format a drive for BTRFS - mount it uncompressed - and just do a "chattr +c mycompressedfolder" === Discombobulated is now known as Disconsented [00:26] or are you saying this is a bad idea and I just should mount the entire drive compressed. [00:28] with zfs the advice is usually to have *some* compression enabled as a default everywhere, though different datasets may benefit from changing the algorithm.. [00:33] Is there a switch or something i can pass to apt so that if i pass it a list of packages I want it to install and it can't find one it will at least continue with the rest rather than error out? [00:42] DarkenedGent: I don't think I've ever seen a way to ask for that, no.. it really could save some time, yeah, hehe === Guest1698 is now known as jbayardo [03:13] Hello, how do I actually, really, finally, decidedly... kill pulseaudio? I tried `pulseaudio --kill` and this advice: https://superuser.com/a/1170435 - but the darn thing just... keeps... respawning like it's some kind of an immortal zombie. [03:13] systemctl --user stop --now pulseaudio.socket [03:13] Er, I think it's disable --now. [03:13] (though I need to start it again, so preferably I'd like to know a way that doesn't completely break it) [03:14] Hold on, scratch that, lemme try again. [03:14] systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket [03:14] systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service [03:14] Then to restart: [03:14] systemctl --user start pulseaudio.socket [03:14] I already tried that (see the superuser post) and it still restarts. [03:15] ForeverNoob: That's weird, it works on my machine. [03:16] `/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog` still running [03:16] PulseAudio... the immortal. [03:22] Would stuff just break if I rename `/usr/bin/pulseaudio` to something else temporarily? [03:27] ForeverNoob: Uh... yeah possibly. [03:27] (You might confuse the package manager pretty badly doing that.) [03:28] Immortal PulseAudio it is, then. [03:30] When is Ubuntu going to switch to PipeWire by default? [03:31] ForeverNoob...not really just do sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/pulseaudio....then kill the pulseaudio daemon...no more problem [03:31] ForeverNoob[m]: In about 16 days. [03:31] I think it happens on a thursday? [03:31] Not a joke. PipeWire is the default in Ubuntu Kinetic, which releases 16 days from today. [03:32] Ugh. [03:32] (If all goes as planned that is.) [03:32] I was just about to switch back to Ubuntu (from Pop!) to get around my pipewire problems. [03:32] Guess I can't avoid it, now. [03:32] ForeverNoob..but make a note of it in case you want to use it again by reactivating it with sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/pulseaudio [03:32] g-d it. [03:32] You can still use 22.04 LTS for a few more years. [03:32] I know. [03:32] But I stay up-to-date. [03:32] So you can avoid it now. [03:33] I normally run voidlinux (rolling distro), but have to run an Ubuntu compatible distro on my $dayjob machine. [03:34] Great. Ubuntu LTS is good for that. [03:34] frame.work only offered factory FDE with Pop!, so I gave it a shot. It's been a less than pleasant experience. [03:35] Eh, I'll deal with it (pipewire in Kinetic). Someone has to get through the bugs. [03:37] laguna: But how do I run that executable again after I strip it from its exec perms? I need to `pulseaudio --kill` but it respawns immediately after that. [03:37] ForeverNoob..nope it can't respawn once you use -x on it [03:38] but you also can't call pulseaudio --kill after using -x on it, is what he's saying. [03:38] ForeverNoob..but make a note in case you ever want to use it again by using +x on it [03:38] Right, but once I do -x, how do I kill it using `pulseaudio --kill` ? [03:38] how to take a screenshot for a popup menu? [03:38] ForeverNoob[m]: just -x the binary, then kill $(pidof pulseaudio) [03:39] ice9: use a screenshot program with a delay. [03:39] ForeverNoob...of course you can kill it after you use -x on it because it is already running [03:39] bougyman, can you suggest a name please? [03:39] Give yourself 5 seconds or so to outline the popup. [03:39] ice9: the one in Pop! is just called "screenshot" [03:39] I've used gm and im for the same, though, there's a -delay option to both. [03:39] (ImageMagick and GraphicsMagick) [03:40] ForeverNoob...and after you kill it by using ps -ef to identify it...it won't respawn [03:41] laguna: So you're saying I should just kill it using `kill` instead of the `pulseaudio --kill` method after I -x it? [03:41] ForeverNoob yes either way [03:42] ForeverNoob...but keep a note with nano in your documents folder in case you might want to use it again someday [03:46] Yeah I maintain a "global system changes" text file to keep mental notes on what I changed. Probably less ideal than keeping an Ansible playbook or something but it'll do for now. [03:47] I'm interested in why PulseAudio is being so reluctant to die. What flavor of Ubuntu are you using? [03:50] suddenly all time labels are showing spaces between numbers an colons everywhere in side the desktop environment and gdm screen: https://paste.pics/IYJ43 https://paste.pics/IYJ4F [03:56] @arraybolt3: Ubuntu 18.04 [04:18] hey [04:22] heyo [04:25] i can't understand why my graphics chip works on windows with pcsx2 but pcsx2 on ubuntu says my graphics chip is not sufficient to play any games [04:25] after all it is the same program [04:27] what makes you think it's the same program [04:27] laguna: this is Windows booted from the same hardware? [04:27] matsaman...it has the same gui interface in either windows or ubuntu...but when i try to load final fantasy x on it ...the ubuntu version says my graphics hardware is not sufficient [04:28] yes same hardware with triple boot [04:28] laguna: maybe you're not using the graphics driver you think you are [04:28] check lspci -k [04:29] systems with big discrete gaming graphics hardware frequently have onboard simpler graphics hardware also [04:29] matsaman...well i use the same driver plugin for both the windows program and the ubuntu program [04:29] your OS could be using either one [04:29] driver plugin? [04:30] matsaman...yes they are selectable in the config of the program [04:30] pcsx2 is not likely to have control over what graphics driver your system is using or is able to use [04:30] check lspci -k [04:32] lspci -k | grep -i vga -B 5 -A 5 or something [04:36] it is using the i915 x driver...but i use the gsdx sse2 opengl plugin for pcsx2 in either os [04:37] and windows has no problem with the game except it is a little slow....but ubuntu won't play it at all...it just says graphics hardware is insufficient [04:42] could be it wasn't compiled with support for some of those things, sse2, etc [04:43] or it could have whole different chunks of operating code & qualifications for each OS [04:43] matsaman...well ubuntu only has binaries so i never know what compile options were set with them...but this doesn't work with my hardware [04:46] laguna: Ubuntu doesn't have src debs? [04:47] wez_hn....they do...at least debian has them...but i have to reinstall the lib-dev versions of all the dependencies to compile it myself and get control over the compile options [04:48] ah [04:48] Sounds like you have some work to do. [04:53] wez_hn and then sometimes the compiler breaks the source code....i tried to compile snes9x with gcc-11 on ubuntu and the new compiler restrictions won't compile the older code [04:53] :( [04:54] Sounds like you need to write up some bug tickets too [04:54] i miss gcc 2.96 which was very leniant with code [04:55] but those were the old days [04:56] 22.04 installation media - the hard drive 22.04 boots to black. . How can I look at the hard drive to copy /home to a pocket drive [04:57] morgan-usb...use a live cd....and mount your drive to a directory...then peruse what is salvageable on the drive and copy it to a usb stick [04:59] looking at files I see a 532MB voume sda1 and a 500 GB volume sda5. duh I clicked on one and see files. Let me see if I can figure this out myself. [04:59] you would use cp -R /home /dev/sdb1 or whatever partition is on your usbstick [05:00] if there is no corruption in your /home data [05:01] after you mount -t ext4 (whateverfs) /dev/sda1(whatever / is) directory name [05:01] then cp -R directoryname/home topartition on usb stick [05:03] morgan-usb ok i think you will get it...just keep after it [05:03] I meant 532 GB. I tried to move it over with GUI and got Error while copying. The folder gvfs-metadata cannot be handled because you do not have the permission to read it. Willit work if I skip or skip all? ---||--- I am copying it to a pocket drive. -- I dont know how to mount. What I did was move the folder [05:04] morgan-usb yes use sudo [05:04] so I want to make sure I am doing it right. I dont know how to address drives and folders in bash. [05:04] morgan-usb...in posix...everything is a file....any device...any file....any directory...so just remember that [05:05] morgan-usb...bash makes everything very easy so you don't need gui stuff...and you will have more control with bash [05:06] morgan-usb but be careful about typos...check your line before you hit enter [05:06] the "volume" with the data is /dev/sda5 [05:07] I dont know how to refer to the pocket drive. [05:07] morgan-usb...i don't know what a pocket drive is...is it a usb drive [05:07] please tell me what to do first. [05:08] laguna I dont know what "in posix" means [05:09] morgan-usb...use sudo dmesg | tail when you connect it to see what it identifies as either /dev/sdb with a partition as /dev/sdb1 or something or it could be /dev/sdc or whatever ...look at dmesg [05:09] so if I can see the files that means that everything is mountedl. correct? [05:09] morgan-usb..yes if you see the files the mount command has already been taken care of [05:10] so I need to know the correct pathname for the folder I want to move/copy and the target folder [05:10] morgan-usb...posix is an alternative to unix so noone steals unix ideas [05:11] morgan-usb...the linux kernel is posix certified [05:11] ok [05:13] morgan-usb...gnu had to choose to use linux because it was posix oriented instead of a unix fork....so the unix people could not sue them for all of their money [05:13] I expect to copy the entire home folder and the write it to the new installation. (I am going to reformat the hard drive and reinstall ubuntu. because I cant figure out the boot to black. [05:14] morgan-usb...because unix is a propietary operating system...and you would owe the creators a lot of money if you used their ideas [05:14] gnu history stallman all the things in ubuntu that are not the kernel. I should like to read more about that. [05:14] morgan-usb yes well use sudo cp -R mountdirectory/home usbstickpartition [05:15] I did read just for fun. I even bought the book. [05:15] morgan-usb..it will take a while but it will copy all files since everything is a file in posix [05:16] morgan-usb it was the only way to avoid stealing the propietary unix ideas [05:17] I dont know how to do that . I dont know how to specify the pathname that goes into mountdirectory. ditto for the pathname to the pocketdrive. -- I have always been terribly fuzzy about this kind of thing. [05:17] morgan-usb...well how are you seeing the files...what program [05:18] laguna, I am a fan of open source. Long ago I had that Ted Nelson book... the big one (like the size of the whole earth catalog) that had two fronts. It started from both sides. [05:18] SEEING them with the gui. [05:19] it eassured me. Things got all messed up lanst night so I rebooted and it was fine. [05:19] booting from the stick [05:20] morgan-usb...what gui program....nautilus...dolphin...files....caja...thunar..? [05:20] The one called FILES that is on the 22.04 install media [05:21] morgan-usb...because each program has different ways of trying to identify the directory you are looking at [05:21] I am in TRY UBUNTU [05:21] morgan-usb ok..files is the gnome program [05:22] morgan-usb in files for gnome go to other locations...and see what /dev/sd? has the files you want to see [05:22] morgan-usb it is to the far-right of the window [05:24] already said that the computer files I can see are on /drv/sda5 do Ijust say /dev/sda5/home ?? [05:24] morgan-usb then after you do that look for your home directory ...in whatever /dev/sd? is appropriate [05:25] morgan-usb then look at a file and go to properties and look for the preceding directories for where it is mounted [05:25] ah ha [05:25] no not /dev/sda5/home..you have to see where it is mounted [05:26] morgan-usb...probably media/something/something [05:26] morgan-usb look for that in the properties window [05:27] parent folder /media/ubuntu [05:28] but I dont know what to call it "My Passport" is that how to ? [05:28] morgan-usb ok then /media/ubuntu/home is the directory you want to copy with sudo cp -R and then you have to find the destination directory with dmesg | tail when you plug in a usb stick [05:29] golly I am just dense here. IThere must be some place this is all explained but I have been using ubuntu and bash for a few things since 2006 and I never "got it'. [05:29] morgan-usb...well it is not hard...things have not changed in 25 years.....but people just forget how we used to have to do things [05:30] nonono I dont wan to copy FROM the my passport, I want to copy FROM the hard drive TO the pocket drive [05:30] morgan-usb...ok identify the pocket drive with dmesg [05:31] In the bash I did pwd and I got /home/ubuntu but that must be on the flash drive. How do I refer to the hard drive? [05:31] morgan-usb use sudo dmesg | less and scroll through it looking for /dev/sd? associated with your pocket drive [05:31] What is the dmsg command? [05:31] with piping to less you can scroll up and down with the arrow keys...not dmsg...dmesg [05:31] I need a short course afre I get this accomplished. [05:32] morgan-usb...learn by doing [05:32] btw there is plenty of room on the pocket drive. [05:32] I am doing babe, doing is me. [05:32] thank you for taking your time. [05:32] morgan-usb...as i said pipe dmesg to less ...piping is a posix concept so no one steals any ideas from unix [05:33] morgan-usb so no one will be sued out of all their money [05:34] i understand pipe | [05:34] so sudo dmesg | less...and scroll up and down with the arrow keys...to find your pocket drive as /dev/sd? also with a number if it has a partition on it [05:34] what is this called? > [05:34] morgan-usb when you are done type q to exit [05:34] ok [05:35] morgan-usb...you learn best by doing...you have to learn sometime [05:36] it is a bunch of dashes starting blank lines [05:36] morgan-usb did you use sudo dmesg | less...it should have lots of lines of data [05:36] message dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: opeation not permitted [05:36] oh sudo [05:37] morgan-usb did you use sudo [05:39] morgan-usb you can also use journalctl -k if you are using systemd so you don't steal any unix ideas [05:39] morgan-usb...but dmesg piped to less lets you scroll up and down with the arrow keys while you look for stuff [05:41] it is a long log of "doing things and I see nothing that looks useful. lots of things happened and failed and it is really really long. [05:42] I saw the sda1 and sda5 which are my hard drive volumes. (I have no idea what a volume is) [05:42] morgan-usb well keep looking until you find your pocket drive device [05:43] morgan-usb the kernel should report about it [05:43] volumes in that context should be called partitions on the device [05:44] this is a typical line: [ 24.991328] audit: type=1400 audit(1664922006.946:20): apparmor="STATUS" oper [05:44] ation="profile_replace" profile="unconfined" name="snap.snapd-desktop-integratio [05:44] n.snapd-desktop-integration" pid=1827 comm="apparmor_parser" [05:44] morgan-usb..keep going with the down arrow key until you get to your hard drives section...it is probably near there [05:44] ok I have no clue why I have 2 partitions on my hard drive, unless I did it and forgot. [05:45] OIC dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer [05:45] morgan-usb..well some installers create more than one partition depending on whose version of linux you use [05:46] OK df -h shows me [05:46] morgan-usb keep looking...it will be there somewhere [05:47] I did df -h and it showed me: /dev/sda1 511M 4.0K 511M 1% /media/ubuntu/172C-2AA2 [05:48] showed me /dev/sdb1 is /media/ubuntu/My Passport [05:48] will that do? [05:49] morgan-usb keep looking in dmesg for your pocket drive lable to get the right device [05:49] since i don't know what "My Passport" is === hammies is now known as hams [05:57] My Passport *IS* the pocket drive. [05:58] morgan-usb...ok then..use mkdir somename to create a subdirectory after "My Passport' [05:59] morgan-usb use sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/somenameyoulike [05:59] morgan-usb be sure to use the quotes [06:00] morgan-usb because of the space in the directory name [06:01] morgan-usb what subdirectory name did you choose [06:02] I already had made a target folder called OCT2022-home [06:06] laguna you are so peppy, I am at 11 pm but time is calling me. [06:07] what time is it there? [06:07] morgan-usb ok great...now do sudo cp -R /media/whateversource/home /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/OCT2022-home/ [06:08] morgan-usb and you will be done [06:08] morgan-usb...i forgot the whatever source but recall it from properties when you were looking at the files in your home directory [06:08] so my hard dirve is called /media/ too [06:09] morgan-usb..use the properties of files to identify the full path length of your home directory [06:12] morgan-usb you just have one command to finish everything [06:13] morgan-usb but be sure to use sudo with cp -R [06:15] morgan-usb so you don't miss any files that you might not have permission to copy [06:18] morgan-usb...and use cp -R to get all the subdirectories and their files....so you don't steal any unix ideas [06:19] morgan-usb with sudo [06:22] sudo cp -R /media/sda5/home /media/ubuntu/sdb1/OCT2022-home [06:22] morgan-usb...no [06:23] no not sda5...look at your home directory again and use the properties section of files to get the preceding path to home [06:23] and not sdb1 [06:24] for the destination it is just /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/OCT2022-home [06:24] with the quotes [06:25] for the source get the /media/whateverstuff/home [06:25] from the properties info of files [06:26] when you look at your home directory [06:27] sudo cp -R /media/ubuntu/-- avery ver long number with dashes and .. and the end of it. (UH OH) /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/OCT2022-home [06:28] sudo cp -r /media/ubuntu/what is the exact number [06:28] morgan-usb do ls /media/ubuntu to see the full number [06:28] it tails off and is longer than I can see - hence the .. [06:28] morgan-usb...do ls /media/ubuntu [06:29] morgan-usb and identify the full number [06:30] the 500 GB volume is /media/ubuntu and the NAME is d5186da3-402a-408b-9435-f5db51676588 [06:30] morgan-usb ok great [06:30] before I was looking at the properties of the /home folder not the volume [06:30] so it is /media/ubuntu/d5186da3-402a-408b-9435-f5db51676588/home [06:31] is that right? [06:32] do is ??? [06:32] morgan-usb..so sudo cp -R /media/ubuntu/d5186da3-402a-408b09435-f5db516756588/home /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/OCT2022-home [06:32] morgan-usb and be sure to check it for any typos before you hit the enter key [06:33] and be sure there is a space between the source directory and the destination directory [06:34] I can copy paste from here which is why I am here and dont have to type it. [06:34] morgan-usb ok but check what i typed to make sure there are no typos [06:35] morgan-usb before you hit the enter key [06:35] morgan-usb then let it run till it finishes and gives you back the prompt [06:36] morgan-usb...then use the files program to see if the files are in the "My Passport" folder [06:37] cp: cannot stat '/media/ubuntu/d5186da3-402a-408b09435-f5db516756588/home': No such file or directory [06:37] morgan-usb...do ls /media/ubuntu again and make sure there is no typo in that long number [06:38] /dev/sda5 457G 146G 288G 34% /media/ubuntu/d5186da3-402a-408b-9435-f5db51676588 [06:39] morgan-usb ok there is a typo after 408b [06:39] morgan-usb it needs a hyphen [06:40] morgan-usb just insert the hyphen in the right place before you hit enter [06:40] found it. dont know how a - became an 89 when I copied it. [06:41] morgan-usb well forget copying...just type it very carefully [06:41] morgan-usb let me try to get it right for you [06:42] d5186da3-402a-408b-9435-f5db5167658 [06:42] nope [06:43] sudo cp -R /media/ubuntu/d5186da3-402a-408b-9435-f5db51676588/home /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/OCT2022-home [06:43] morgan-usb there try to copy and paste that [06:44] sudo cp -R /media/ubuntu/d5186da3-402a-408b-9435-f5db51676588/home /media/ubuntu/"My Passport"/OCT2022-home [06:45] morgan-usb ok let it run until it returns a prompt [06:45] oh now it is complaining about cannot create regular file invalid arguement. for some things ending in trash. ---- and I am going to quit tonight and resume tomorrow. [06:46] Thank you so much. being tired makes errors. [06:46] I will let it run [06:46] morgan-usb ok don't worry about the trash stuff [06:46] morgan-usb it should be done [06:47] morgan-usb you should be able to see your files in the "My Passport" directory with the files program in gnome [06:47] You dont know the stess of having the monitor go to black and then the image come back, randomly. Thee is some issue with the power cord but it NEVE did this before. [06:48] morgan-usb...yes flaky monitors can be a real hassle [06:48] right .. about tomorrow I will see stuff. and may learn why it keeps saying cannot create logs or other things. [06:48] morgan-usb ok see you tomorrow [06:49] morgan-usb sudo should have taken care of that [06:49] morgan-usb there should not be any problem with a few log files [06:50] I had the choice to be annoyed or amused. I've got nothing to say but it's ok, [06:50] morgan-usb...well files should show your home directory stuff on your pocket drive now [06:51] "should have" the most amusing phrase in programming. In the wayback, I was a fortran programmer who basically completely ignored the system. I knew every blessed thing about fortran though. [06:52] They gave me one jcl command to start it up and I stopped learning right there. [06:52] morgan-usb well i can't imagine why logs would be a problem to copy [06:52] Oh I did ask, what's your time zone? [06:52] morgan-usb yes i remember jcl it wasn't much fun [06:52] I am Pacific time. Cali [06:52] morgan-usb ...i am texas time [06:53] it is almost 2 in the morning here [06:53] morgan-usb...so we can try to work on the straggler files tomorrow [06:54] Well thankks for caring that I learn things. I appreciate being reminded. I still dont see how I copied that and it changed but your were familiar with that being something that can happen [06:54] ok good night... [06:54] luckily I have a laptop. [06:54] morgan-usb well some files may be binary or something that might have trouble copying [06:55] morgan-usb we will try more tomorrow [07:38] hi [07:48] hey, I upgraded to 22.04 LTS from 20.04 LTS yesterday, and got kernel 5.15.0-48-generic. But seeing packet loss, like every other ping I do, the first packet is lost [07:49] cool story bro [07:49] yeah. it's awesome [07:50] very deep and interesting [08:09] how do you show the keyboard input-source indicator even when there is only one layout? I want login screen to show the current layout no matter what to help get the password right the first time [08:27] Hi again, so uh... remember when I wanted to kill pulseaudio? Well, now qjackctl won't start :( [08:27] ...despite PA running. [08:28] So for the next person trying to disable PulseAudio: Don't. [08:29] PulseAudio is the all-encompassing everything. PulseAudio is eternal. [08:31] Let's see if a reboot helps... [08:37] hi [09:03] what are in /var/log/journal/ files ? how can I reduce its size ? i do not want so many logs as it is in the folder. maybe somebody knows [09:12] bob_x1: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139513/how-to-clear-journalctl [09:12] ah it's journalctl. will read now it's docs === xenial is now known as Guest9471 [09:23] read and moved logs to /run/var folder (into ram?) and removed old files written on disk [09:23] the machine has small hdd === boxrick_ is now known as boxrick [09:38] running plasma, can you guys recommend a voice2text app. It's on my android .wav recorded with voice recorder. Thanks in advance [09:41] Mystified1234: maybe something like this, but I never tried it https://github.com/mozilla/DeepSpeech [09:45] murmel:) thanks [10:24] hi all, I'm having some issues with audio playback. I have a system with just alsa (no pulse) and mpd and mpv can play audio just fine. however my browsers (chromium, chrome, firefox) are unable to play anything. for firefox I always use `apulse` (that pretends to provide a pulse api), for chromium based browsers this was never needed [10:25] my default alsa device should be card 0 and as said it works fine with other software === LanDi1 is now known as LanDi === Guest4424 is now known as Beck === Beck is now known as Becko === workdrone43 is now known as workdrone42 === Bencraft1419562 is now known as Bencraft141956 [11:00] ok seems the bug is with snap [11:01] google-chrome does work, but chromium and firefox are now installed with snap, which breaks audio playback [11:22] test [11:22] it works, we see you mikm2603 [11:22] oke thanks [11:49] Is there a way to update firefox snap without closing all firefox windows? [11:55] Hi! Is there a roadmap for when https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aad-auth/ will be published to LTS? [11:56] Are snaps architecturally impossible to update while in use, or is it something about firefox in particular? [12:03] pickanick: usually Firefox asks you to click on the "refresh Firefox" option to apply new changes if has been updated to a newer version ... so I guess that's application-related and has nothing to do with snap [12:08] SteelRose: where do you see that option? I get a popup that tells me "Pending update of firefox snap / Close the app to avoid disruptions (N days left)." Now "snap refresh" says "all apps up to date" ... unless I killall firefox first, after which an update is downloaded. [12:10] pickanick: ah, I saw a similar message for the Telegram desktop client. The only way I could get rid of that was by closing Telegram and running "snap refresh" [12:13] Hi guys, is there any way to know how Ubuntu and/or Gnome handles the display configuration ? Like how/what script handles the configuration when there is an external display or not and get the event when the lid closes [12:15] pickanick, it is not specific to browsers that you suld cloase the app but it is most harmful there to not close them when updating (which was the initial reason this feature was implemented at all) [12:16] pickanick, snaps have versioned data dirs and use confinement ... if you update a snap the access to the old dir is completely blocked, the content is copied forward to the new versioned dir and your browser can nly access this partitiular dir now ... [12:17] pickanick, if that happens while the browser is open at that time, it only knows about the old dir that was used when the binary was launched ... but since that dir has been blocked by confinement the browser will not be able to update its history [12:18] i.e. updating while the browser is running would make you silently lose all history from the moment n the update has appened [12:19] the user experience of that feature is still awful though, but it is a prio #1 item that is being worked on by the desktop team so you will be able to have it automatically update when closing without hving to call snap refresh [12:20] (and thanks to the fact that snapps are all "rolling release apps" you will receive that fix even on old installs) === Starmina87958514 is now known as Starmina8795851 [12:54] just curious, is there some sort of system reset where i can go back to the original default install of the OS without needing to make a startup disk? e.g. "remove all packages and files that weren't with the original install" method [12:54] or would i really need to do a full OS reinstall [12:56] Matt|home: I'd suggest you to take a backup of the sensitive info you might have, if any, and do a fresh install [12:56] unless you have something that creates snapshots... [12:56] backed up already, main issue is i have no way to boot from anything except my harddrive right now [12:57] worst case scenario can i delete all packages except the main ones and just reinstall gnome or whatever? === w4v3|tx is now known as w4v3_ [12:57] Matt|home: you may want to try something like this https://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/debian-linux/ubuntu-linux-rollback-an-apt-get-upgrade/ [12:59] bah.. [12:59] i have an idea.. i need my hammer.. [13:20] LOL [13:22] Hi all [13:26] is there a list of errors/bugs why certain packages don't show up in apt? (i have a ppa, where all packages show up except 1) [13:32] murmel: it's likely the package in the PPA is only available for certain versions of ubuntu [13:33] murmel: that said, you'll need to contact the PPA maintainer for support with the PPA and the packages it provides === diskin is now known as Guest6437 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [13:34] leftyfb: well I am the maintainer ;) [13:34] and it's definitely for jammy [13:46] Is my question better suitted for gnome channel ? :) [13:48] rgallaispou: it would be better if you would also describe what you want to achieve [13:57] murmel: I actually just want to understand how its works (I did not find any udev rule to manage this). For instance how automatically when the lid is closed with an external monitor, the display config is set to used only the external monitor, while as soon as the lid opens, the config changes to use both the built-in panel and the external one (if the setting is set like this). [13:58] murmel, sorry if it was confused before [14:00] rgallaispou: /etc/systemd/logind.conf [14:00] external monitor is something which happens on a different layer [14:00] xorg/wayland [14:01] ahh, I misunderstood. yes, still that conf file [14:01] where you can edit what happens === pickanick is now known as CMOS === CMOS is now known as pickanick [14:06] hi all [14:08] murmel: I thought logind was for power management [14:09] rgallaispou: well, it _is_ pwer management, which also handles that stuff (well even on windows) [14:12] Okay so if I understand correctly, this is a mix between Xorg (in my case) and logind. I knew xrandr (and variations) were used for handling the display config, so would this mean it is also based on logind ? [14:13] would this mean xrandr is also based on logind* [14:13] there might be other bits involved [14:13] wasn't xrandr just adjusting where displays are? can't remember now [14:13] (i.e. "upower" ) [14:14] and turning on/off [14:14] xrandr can turn on and off monitors, yes [14:15] not sure if gnome uses it though ... it might be talking directly to the HW instead of shellig out to someting like xrandr === pascalm1 is now known as pascalm [14:17] oh, okay, that is what I wanted to understand [14:18] If Gnome/Ubuntu was passing through an interface or not to control this [14:19] rgallaispou: very likely that they interact directly === LanDi1 is now known as LanDi [14:21] Okay, I think I am going to ask directly on Gnome channel [14:21] Many thanks guys :) === LanDi1 is now known as LanDi [14:41] hello [14:41] hello [14:43] misu: 👋 [14:44] and he is gone ;) [14:48] Welcome to The Matrix. I wonder how many other stale entries there are in here. [15:08] What might be the issue if /var/log/syslog is empty? [15:11] after restarting rsyslog it again works and there is output on the file === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba === cecilio is now known as ivva [15:48] is there a fix for the snes9x source code that won't compile with gcc-11 [15:48] probably something you should ask in an snes9x channel or in a gcc channel ? === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [15:49] ogra ok let me see if i can find a snes9x channel devoted to source code compilations on the newer gcc [15:49] (this simply does not sound like a particular ubuntu support question) [15:51] ogra there is no snes9x support channel on this irc server...maybe i should look for gcc support to see if there is a setting that will allow it to compile older code === scoobydoo_ is now known as scoobydoo [15:53] yeah, or find another place where snes9x usually discussed their issues [16:19] hi folks, is there a way to have cloud-init (user-data) create raid 1 disk? i was going through the docs and was unable to find any info on that [16:19] shivaya: you might ask in #ubuntu-server [16:29] thanks leftyfb [16:30] Hello, after upgrading to 22.04 I can't see mp3 icons as their thumbnails on nautilus/desktop (just the standard mp3 default icon). Couldn't find a solution online. Any help please? [16:31] i.e. icons for mp3 files on desktop/nautilus appear as the default icon, not as their own cover/embeded image [16:43] amikrop: that seems to be the case on my 22.04 aswell, the mp3 icon [16:44] When I run apt dist-upgrade to jammy I am getting very slow speed for the download, only a few kb per seconds. [16:44] amikrop: this is the one i see; https://imgur.com/a/4J02aDW [16:45] Get:1 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates/restricted amd64 nvidia-kernel-common-515 amd64 515.65.01-0ubuntu0.22.04.1 [25.2 MB] [16:45] 1% [1 nvidia-kernel-common-515 31.4 kB/25.2 MB 0%] 663 B/s 25d 1h 50min 44s [16:45] lain_: you might wanna ask the #ubuntu-mirror crew about known issues for your country/repo [16:46] lain_: #ubuntu-mirrors sorry [16:47] Been a hot minute since I've been in the ubuntu cli. I created a new netplan file in /etc/netplan/. I used screen to copy and paste from the examples section of the netplan manpage and then pasted into the new file with nano, then adjusted as needed cross-referencing the docs. When I run `sudo netplan -debug try` I get an unhelpful 'Error while loading /path/to/new-file.yaml, aborting.'. How do I continue to troubleshoot this? [16:58]