| teward[m] | Simon Quigley yeah if you had coredev and just recently dropped off any DMB member has the ability to JFDI and reinstate | 01:31 |
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| teward[m] | Simon Quigley now, this said. you need to fine tune your mail filters :P | 01:31 |
| === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc | ||
| guiverc | Lubuntu Manual icon on desktop (live session) still isn't doing anything but give error for me.. It's been mentioned before, is there a bug for it? | 03:35 |
| arraybolt3 | guiverc: I'm not aware of a bug for it. | 03:51 |
| guiverc | thanks arraybolt3 , I may have just mentioned it before (often do before filing, often don't file too) | 03:53 |
| guiverc | ^ 'lubuntu manual' desktop link works on installed systems, plus if an additional user is added to a live session it'll work (on additional user) there too; so at worst a release doc mention maybe required | 07:47 |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> If you wait 2 or 3 minutes after booting the Manual link works - connected to the Fiirefox bug in Live CD (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> ^ 'lubuntu manual' desktop link works on installed systems, plus if an additional user is added to a live session it'll work (on additional user) there too; so at worst a release doc mention maybe required) | 08:39 |
| guiverc | ack... and trying again.. I can confirm it works with uptime of 5hrs 14mins, so it continues to work :) | 08:40 |
| guiverc | thanks @Leokolb.. I'd have thought I'd have tried it after that time, but I don't recall | 08:40 |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> Wow! :) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> ack... and trying again.. I can confirm it works with uptime of 5hrs 14mins, so it continues to work :)) | 08:41 |
| guiverc | I suspect that should be mentioned in the release notes though (not specific time period, just a delay after staring before it'll work maybe) | 08:42 |
| * guiverc on occasion uses a live session as a machine OS | 08:43 | |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> Agree @guiverc should be mentioned .. | 08:44 |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> The bug @guiverc is 1991011 | 08:46 |
| guiverc | thanks @Leoolb, greatly appreciated ! | 08:47 |
| guiverc | yeah I remember that one.. I noted Ubuntu have ref. to release notes too :) | 08:48 |
| guiverc | noted in kinetic issue tracker | 08:56 |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> on faster machines the wait is sometimes only 10 or 15 seconds... (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> noted in kinetic issue tracker) | 09:00 |
| guiverc | we could mention the speed of machine too... but in my experience it's longer than 3 mins on c2d type hardware (at least it sure feels that way) | 09:02 |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> I don´t think we should mention the speed (give no false promises etc) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> we could mention the speed of machine too... but in my experience it's longer than 3 mins on c2d type hardware (at least it sure feels that way)) | 09:18 |
| guiverc | specifically no, I was thinking just a warning that 'some older hardware may take a little longer to be ready than newer hardware' (ie. vague) | 09:19 |
| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> Ah..yes @guiverc agree | 09:19 |
| tsimonq2 | <lubot> "[telegram] <Leokolb> If you wait..." <- OH this bug is just a race condition, I could tell you what's causing it | 11:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley: Ah, it's that thing with the livecd-rootfs, isn't it? | 13:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Well, snaps do take a minute to preseed when the image is first booted. | 13:45 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm on paid time so I'll save you from the entire explanation - but the short of it is, snapd isn't done installing the snaps before Firefox is launched, that's what it is | 13:46 |
| tsimonq2 | (And you can't install snaps in a chroot, so that's their workaround, use preseeding which basically formats a YAML and downloads the files) | 13:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Yeah, I remember that bug. Here's hoping they figure out how to fix it. | 13:48 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | It's already fixed, but just like everything else in the release queue, nothing has been worked on. | 13:56 |
| tsimonq2 | I mean, the active members of the team only include Canonical employees at the moment as far as I know | 13:57 |
| tsimonq2 | I get it... people are busy. Just don't tell me I didn't upload it in time :P | 13:57 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | No, one is not a Canonical employee, but two are on vacation this week. | 13:57 |
| tsimonq2 | Sounds about right. Hey, people gotta take vacation eventually. Once everyone is back if stuff isn't any better we can raise further hell... but I have a lot of patience here | 13:58 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | But that's only 2 out of 8, so I really don't think that's any excuse. It's an equally-shared responsibility this time of the cycle, so there's a ball being dropped. | 13:59 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Others have commented on how long the unapproved queue is this close to Final Freeze. | 14:00 |
| tsimonq2 | I have to choose my battles these days, and this is not a battle we can really win unless someone volunteers, and I'm getting there... | 14:02 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm definitely not disagreeing with you | 14:02 |
| tsimonq2 | Is it worth further action? Not yet, to me at least... | 14:02 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | No, not worth further action. I'm just venting/a little concerned. | 14:04 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah no, I definitely get where you're coming from | 14:04 |
| === Eickmeyer is now known as NotEickmeyer | ||
| === Eickmeyer5 is now known as Eickmeyer | ||
| arraybolt3[m] | Did anyone see any Qt-related or LXQt-related changes go into the archive recently? LXQt has a couple of severe graphical problems that manifested just recently, and I'm wondering where to start looking. | 19:37 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Also, if anyone knows an easy way for me to find out, that would be awesome.) | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | DDG: !upkg qtbase-opensource-src | 19:37 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Code decrypted, executing... | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.15.6+dfsg-1 | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.15.6+dfsg-1 | 19:38 |
| * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (13KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/linuxdelta.com/rTIDwyIJtQVzfwceEHysCaYn/image.png > | 19:38 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley: Wow, looks like you're faster at this than I am. | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-qtplugin/1.1.0-1build1 | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | Migrated the same time as Qt did | 19:38 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, lemme try downgrading some stuff and see what happens. | 19:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Raw list of package uploads to Kinetic: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kinetic-changes | 19:39 |
| * arraybolt3[m] really really hopes that this isn't a new Qt bug | 19:39 | |
| tsimonq2 | Congratulations, guess what kind of bugs I've fixed before :P | 19:39 |
| arraybolt3[m] | OK, into the fray I go. Wish me luck! | 19:40 |
| tsimonq2 | If you need help git bisecting Qt and you can identify reproducible steps w/ no ability to reproduce on Debian Testing https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qtbase-opensource-src then lmk | 19:40 |
| arraybolt3[m] | 👍️ | 19:41 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (wait, I have to compile all of Qt? 😰) | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | well if it's a Qt bug yes | 19:42 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Guess this is what sbuild is good for. | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | don't worry though, we don't seed QtWebEngine | 19:42 |
| arraybolt3[m] | \o/ | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | (That takes 24 hours to compile on my machine, still, in 2022...) | 19:42 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I've compiled KDE Plasma multiple times in just the last few days so I don't know why I think Qt will be daunting. Anyways, I have it downloading now and will begin the attack shortly. | 19:43 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Oh lovely. Well on the bright side I don't have to fight with git-buildpackage. On the dark side, the packaging and source code are decoupled so that means I have to integrate the actual Qt source itself from a different Git repo. | 19:46 |
| tsimonq2 | Welcome to packaging Qt ;) | 19:46 |
| arraybolt3[m] | And it's pulling almost a million files (not an exaggeration). 🤪 | 19:47 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (836,197 objects to be exact.) | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh yeah. If your connection isn't fast I'd use a shallow clone | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | --depth=1 or similar | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | But if you're bisecting you need a full clone soooooo | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:48 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Eh, it's fast enough. Probably about as fast as an ISO download. Will --depth=1 still let me bisect? | 19:48 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. | 19:48 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (I guess almost a million files actually is an exaggeration to some degree - about a million files is more accurate, but whatever.) | 19:48 |
| arraybolt3[m] | s/almost/about/ | 19:49 |
| tsimonq2 | (Isn't exaggerating a highball not a lowball? :) ) | 19:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Almost a million would be like 950,000 or something, so that would be a highball IMO. | 19:55 |
| * arraybolt3[m] blames the Qt mess on teward | 19:55 | |
| tsimonq2 | oh, you didn't <em> *about*, I catch your drift | 19:56 |
| teward[m] | hey i don't touch GUI stacks as far as I can throw them | 19:56 |
| tsimonq2 | he's right, he's the reason all of the infra is down ;) | 19:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Right but it's about time we blamed everything on someone other than Simon and you're the next most obvious target. :P | 19:57 |
| teward[m] | *throws simon into the abyss* | 19:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Abyss is closed on Thursday. | 19:57 |
| teward[m] | no, not that abyss | 19:57 |
| teward[m] | /dev/abyss which links to /dev/null | 19:58 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I thought I deleted that symlink long ago! | 19:58 |
| * arraybolt3[m] immediately runs rkhunter to find out what teward's malware analysis team did to my laptop | 19:58 | |
| tsimonq2 | teward: I just want all this PHP code I'm working on to be piped straight into /dev/null tbh | 19:58 |
| teward[m] | that i believe lol | 19:58 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Simon Quigley: That's easy. `cat * | tee /dev/null > /dev/null` | 19:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Throw it away twice and keep it all! | 19:59 |
| tsimonq2 | nonono like this: `mv *.php /dev/null` oops all the code is gone | 19:59 |
| teward[m] | or the more dangerous version of that command: [CENSORED] | 19:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | H*&8rgofsefiu`rm -rf /`ius7yS*tf6767tow4tuhi5urhtg | 20:00 |
| tsimonq2 | wait is it taboo to say that now? | 20:00 |
| * tsimonq2 goes on a dad-style "society sucks" ranyt | 20:00 | |
| * tsimonq2 * goes on a dad-style "society sucks" rant | 20:00 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | In a technical support room, probably. | 20:01 |
| * teward[m] charges tsimonq2 with treasonous sedition | 20:01 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | But I don't think anyone in here will read our conversation and be like "Hey I wonder what *that* command does! <clackety clackety> *GASP*" | 20:01 |
| arraybolt3[m] | `sudo apt install photorec` | 20:02 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah, and if you, dear reader, are one of those people. Don't. We warned you. | 20:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | s/photorec/testdisk/ | 20:02 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Alright, QT code pulled, guess I'm going to descend into the caverns of Gobble Important Treasures (what git really stands for). | 20:03 |
| * tsimonq2 goes back to wondering why mPDF has to be this convoluted, or at least this implementation of it... | 20:03 | |
| arraybolt3[m] | Man, VirtualBox seems to always be so grumpy. /me has got to remember to go GNOME Boxes, always. | 20:48 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Unless I have no other choice. | 20:48 |
| arraybolt3[m] | (Or I need the power of virt-manager.) | 20:48 |
| tsimonq2 | <arraybolt3[m]> "Man, VirtualBox seems to..." <- Throw the baby out with the bathwater imo - VirtualBox sucks | 22:19 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> QEMU-KVM is god xD | 23:03 |
| tsimonq2 | ^^^^^^^^ | 23:03 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> arraybolt: just dont do what i do - chain KVM and LXD bridges together heh | 23:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Masochist lol | 23:03 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> my LXD DHCP box handles the DHCP for the bridge I put my qemu vms on | 23:03 |
| tsimonq2 | just why XD | 23:04 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> @tsimonq2 better than having to hardcode new bridges and NAT rules | 23:04 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> because qemu autonat is broke when lxd is installed and functional | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | I mean... true. | 23:04 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> no idea qhy | 23:04 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> but at least qemu can use the bridge xS | 23:04 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> just like a container can. | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | OH that explains a lot thanks teward :P | 23:04 |
| tsimonq2 | (I've seen that functionality recently and didn't connect the dots... until now heh) | 23:05 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah, thankfully bridges don't require their own JVM embedded inside Haskell :P | 23:05 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> yeah i have two LXD bridges on my env - one for persistent services thats static ip only configs and one thats DHCP enabled for everything ephemeral. qemu can use either bridge and not need to set up its own | 23:06 |
| tsimonq2 | that's really neat actually | 23:06 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> so yay saves me a chaos | 23:06 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> ye well lxd can speak KVM under the hood too so | 23:06 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> when using lxd to deploy full vms with the cloud images it uses kvm. | 23:07 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I use QEMU/KVM most of the time. | 23:37 |
| arraybolt3[m] | But KDE developers are a picky bunch. All the good QEMU/KVM frontends are GNOME-based, and VBox is Qt, so... | 23:38 |
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