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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:42 |
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| murmel | lotuspsychje: hey | 01:43 |
| lotuspsychje | heya murmel | 01:43 |
| murmel | lotuspsychje: are you in a european tz? | 01:49 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, belgium | 01:50 |
| murmel | wow, any reason why you wake up so early? | 01:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, work :p | 01:50 |
| murmel | ugh | 01:53 |
| murmel | I mean I am _still_ awake, and I hate it :( | 01:53 |
| lotuspsychje | where are you murmel | 01:53 |
| fluxcapacitor | Anyone here tried using Ubuntu server edition as a desktop? My hunch is that the server version is likely more stable as I assume there is less bloat on the initial install ... | 01:53 |
| lotuspsychje | fluxcapacitor: you could install minimal ubuntu flavour(s) if you like, xubuntu core for example | 01:54 |
| fluxcapacitor | I will pass on Xubuntu, Lubuntu and the likes, given the GUIs suck. | 01:55 |
| fluxcapacitor | They are less appealing from a visual perspective which in my mind defeats the purpose of running Ubuntu to begin with. | 01:55 |
| fluxcapacitor | However, the lighter footprint sure is sexy. | 01:55 |
| lotuspsychje | how about i3 + ubuntu server then? many swear by it | 01:55 |
| fluxcapacitor | Never heard of it. I will scurry on over to distrowatch and read up! | 01:56 |
| murmel | lotuspsychje: right now in budapest | 01:56 |
| fluxcapacitor | Not finding that ... | 01:56 |
| murmel | i3 is a tiling wm | 01:57 |
| fluxcapacitor | That is textspeak if I don't say, mate. Can you type in full phrases without using abbreviations like TTYS | 01:57 |
| murmel | are you talking about wm = window manager? | 01:57 |
| fluxcapacitor | Oh, you are referring to that - but not the OS, actual Windows managers. | 01:58 |
| fluxcapacitor | I don't go out of my way to isolate flaws on a granular level. If the Windows manager didn't work, I would not follow the modular approach and simply replace it. I would replace the entire Desktop interface | 01:58 |
| fluxcapacitor | The UNIX way though is modularity ... that's the design philosophy so that makes sense but it's too much work for me to diagnose that. | 01:59 |
| lotuspsychje | fluxcapacitor: you can also install an ubuntu flavour, and just strip the bloat out yourself, remain a minimal syste of your needs | 02:00 |
| murmel | yeah, most just use server and build from there, as it's easier than stripping | 02:01 |
| lotuspsychje | ubuntu server is not really designed to be a GUI desktop right | 02:01 |
| sarnold | fluxcapacitor: ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop are installed from the same set of packages; it's just which packages come by default. no server admin would tolerate pulseaudio, networkmanager, etc; no laptop user would tolerate netplan :) | 02:01 |
| fluxcapacitor | I am about to do just that. Was and am in the process of installing my release. I will mount it to a VM then test it by replacing the Gnome variety before trying it out on my live system. | 02:01 |
| fluxcapacitor | *downloading my release. I am downloading Focal | 02:01 |
| fluxcapacitor | I will immediately replace Gnome vanilla with Gnome minimal and see if it bugs out the system but even that won't tell me as I have a lot of bloat on this bad boy. | 02:02 |
| sarnold | fluxcapacitor: it's not exactly *common* to install the server and then the desktop pieces you want, but people do it; my laptop started out as a 'debootstrap' install from ubuntu-minimal; I then installed x11, i3wm, my terminal, firefox, and whatever else I need as I find I need it | 02:02 |
| fluxcapacitor | I'm not installing the server version. I only asked that as a curiosity. I won't be doing it. | 02:02 |
| fluxcapacitor | I just wanted to know if that's something people do. I just assume there are SysAdmins who fall in love with their servers at work so just take them home. | 02:03 |
| fluxcapacitor | Then there are people literally running hardcore NAS set-ups at home with several attached storage blocks so I can see the use case for these things. | 02:03 |
| lotuspsychje | for example when you boot an i3 ontop server, your booting speed will be bloody faster then a -desktop | 02:04 |
| sarnold | heh yeah I've got one of these in my basement now https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/3U/6038/SSG-6038R-E1CR16L.cfm | 02:05 |
| lotuspsychje | skips a lot of GUI userspace | 02:05 |
| sarnold | it's getting sad though :( it tells me it needs a few friends | 02:05 |
| fluxcapacitor | I cannot find that on distrowatch, by the way. Are you referring to the intel processor model or is there a distro with the name i3 in it? | 02:05 |
| sarnold | fluxcapacitor: https://i3wm.org/ | 02:05 |
| murmel | fluxcapacitor: I hope they _don't_ take the server with them to their home, otherwise work won't have any servers left ;) | 02:05 |
| fluxcapacitor | There are some hardcore people who are so anti-GUI they run everything headless and don't even use a Windows manager. Those are blokes and ladies which legends emenate from. I am no so hardcore and bare bones. | 02:06 |
| murmel | ugh, good that you almost offended me (I would definitely run cli only, if there would be a usable browser) | 02:07 |
| fluxcapacitor | Thanks, sarnold! I will try that on a VM. | 02:07 |
| fluxcapacitor | I will not betray Ubuntu and distro hop. At least not just yet but maybe I'll implement that. | 02:07 |
| murmel | but I am just less distracted in a cli environment than gui | 02:07 |
| sarnold | murmel: links and w3m are so close and yet so far :( | 02:07 |
| fluxcapacitor | I have been loyal to Ubuntu - with steady loyalty since circa 2016 | 02:07 |
| lotuspsychje | checkout reddit/unixporn to feed your inspiration instead of distrowatch, you will then make up your mind what you wanna try | 02:07 |
| sarnold | oh yeah solid advice on r/unixporn | 02:07 |
| fluxcapacitor | I had this broken gaming tower with Windows 7 and I had this weird way of fixing it. I would just boot into Ubuntu on the dual boot and somehow that would repair the boot sector for Windows. Very weird shit. I wasn't as handy then and didn't find the ultimate cause of the bug I had ... but, anyway, that was my cheap hack for fixing it. I don't dual | 02:08 |
| fluxcapacitor | boot these days | 02:08 |
| fluxcapacitor | I recommend multiple drives, each dedicated to its own OS | 02:08 |
| murmel | nowadays not really needed anymore | 02:09 |
| lotuspsychje | i did a lot of older boxes with lubuntu 20.04 its rocksolid | 02:09 |
| fluxcapacitor | Dual booting isn't needed? I think for a noob who doesn't know how to install a hard drive, it makes sense. Though anyone can plug a drive into a SATA port or if they think they cannot, they have simply never tried | 02:09 |
| lotuspsychje | the gui, you can tweak that any way you need | 02:10 |
| murmel | fluxcapacitor: 2 disks is not needed | 02:10 |
| fluxcapacitor | you dual boot? | 02:10 |
| murmel | I setup systems for friends/fam | 02:10 |
| fluxcapacitor | I have Debian on one SATA SSD and Ubuntu, I think this one is on an NVME with a adapter in an expansion slot | 02:10 |
| fluxcapacitor | It's an M3 NVME | 02:10 |
| murmel | I hope it's a m.2 ;) not m3 | 02:11 |
| murmel | I setup win+linux mint | 02:11 |
| murmel | for those people as it resembles more windows | 02:11 |
| fluxcapacitor | Ubuntu is on a PCI expansion slot with the heat sink over the NVME | 02:11 |
| fluxcapacitor | Ha... | 02:12 |
| fluxcapacitor | No, I mispoke. Ha, yes, I think it is an m.2 | 02:12 |
| fluxcapacitor | You're right | 02:12 |
| murmel | the only thing I have to say is, there are quite a few uefi implementations which are not great | 02:12 |
| fluxcapacitor | NVMe M.2 | 02:13 |
| fluxcapacitor | https://www.makeuseof.com/nvme-vs-sata-vs-m2-differences/ | 02:13 |
| murmel | and it's definitely PCIe not PCI ;) | 02:13 |
| sarnold | I might still have a pci machine around here :) | 02:13 |
| fluxcapacitor | If you're being a curmudgeon and you are | 02:13 |
| sarnold | course I don't know if it still boots.. | 02:13 |
| fluxcapacitor | Very much the curmudgeon. I am glad you did not teach my 6th grade Spanish class. | 02:14 |
| fluxcapacitor | You rock your gaming towers from scratch, murmel? This is the stuff: https://pcpartpicker.com/ | 02:15 |
| fluxcapacitor | I don't build from the ground up but that's the place to start if you do. I buy old Dell Optiplexes and rebuild them | 02:16 |
| fluxcapacitor | *Semi-old. I have an Optiplex XE3 which is still in production, or it was last time I checked. | 02:16 |
| murmel | fluxcapacitor: if I would anywhere near trump, I would use that site, but as I don't no ;) | 02:16 |
| fluxcapacitor | I don't live in the states. I am on a DNS server in, I think, NY but I am in Australia | 02:17 |
| fluxcapacitor | Very bad topic by the way: he is horrifying | 02:17 |
| murmel | I mean here in europe we have something similar (depending on the country) | 02:18 |
| fluxcapacitor | Yes ... Well, I don't know how to scale that. Trump caused an insurrection. | 02:19 |
| fluxcapacitor | You have politicians who storm your capitals? | 02:19 |
| murmel | I was talking about pcpartpicker ... | 02:19 |
| murmel | nobody wants to talk about the US | 02:19 |
| fluxcapacitor | Someone says Trump: the verb or the president? | 02:19 |
| fluxcapacitor | You can trump as in defeat or best but then there is the American man | 02:20 |
| murmel | yeah I would definitely use a different word for "to trump". I mean I know somebody in the US who changed his first name (as it was donald) | 02:21 |
| fluxcapacitor | Yes, we don't have to talk about the U.S., mate. | 02:21 |
| fluxcapacitor | Is that really true, mate? murmel ... On the name change? | 02:21 |
| murmel | yes? | 02:21 |
| fluxcapacitor | I had a boss who went to Trump's school and always thought that must be embarrassing for him. | 02:21 |
| murmel | i mean that's something I would definitely try to sweep under the rug | 02:22 |
| fluxcapacitor | Yeah ... I inappropriately find solace in it: terrible boss | 02:23 |
| fluxcapacitor | My my. I'm on that site. There are apparently people with gaming towers worth more than the last car my wife owned when we sold it off, haha | 02:25 |
| murmel | yea but most of the time it's just a dream pc they want to own at some point | 02:26 |
| fluxcapacitor | I work with offensive security. The only thing I can justify something like that for is password cracking. The GPUs work really good with stuff like Hashcat and John the Ripper. | 02:27 |
| fluxcapacitor | I nearly fried a MacBook when I was a security student. | 02:27 |
| fluxcapacitor | The processor simply could not handle Hashcat | 02:27 |
| fluxcapacitor | Got quiet real quick. | 03:02 |
| fluxcapacitor | It cannot possibly be... One driver is a godsend for all of my bugs. I just installed synaptics and it seems to have done the trick. | 03:08 |
| wez_hn | yay | 03:27 |
| fluxcapacitor | Yes, I cannot believe it. | 03:28 |
| fluxcapacitor | I changed keyboards, installed random bloat ... Lots and lots of work and over one driver. I knew it was a driver as the performance changed slightly and imwheel first fixed it but I couldn't pin it down. | 03:29 |
| fluxcapacitor | Now I can go back to the wireless keyboard and not worry about the housecat getting into mischief with this one. | 03:29 |
| fluxcapacitor | Good thing I didn't reinstall over this. Everyone on Focal, seriously copy this and look over this conversation several times over if you experience scroll lag and seemingly i/o errors | 03:31 |
| ducasse | morning | 07:21 |
| fluxcapacitor | Just compiled Firefox ... that was fun, hehe | 07:34 |
| zoknert | ahi. | 11:22 |
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