[01:02] <AndroUser> Hello
[01:06] <sarnold> hi AndroUser
[02:23] <SuperLag> sarnold: stalker :D
[02:29] <sarnold> :D
[05:24] <blackhawk> I am downloading some files with Transmission on ubuntu, Can i set the download location to a folder that is present over a network share in a windows laptop ?
[05:30] <tomreyn> if you mount the share, i don't see why not.
[05:30] <blackhawk> how to mount a windows shared folder ?
[05:32] <rfm> blackhawk, mount.cifs
[07:24] <firesign> Greetings
[07:31] <bougyman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEzKbeTvPE
[07:31] <bougyman> woops
[07:49] <Guest20> Does Ubuntu have delay in file explorer? this might sound stupid but feels like theres 0.2s delay orwhatever when i change from downloads to documents by clicking for example
[07:50] <Guest20> Or is it not indexed and it searches index everytime... or?
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> not here guest20
[07:50] <Guest20> lotuspsychje what do you mean?
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: are you testing this on xorg or wayland?
[07:50] <Guest20> im on ubuntu 22.04 lts , ubuntu newbie
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: could you logout and boot into ubuntu on Xorg, to see if you can reproduce that?
[07:52] <Guest20> i mean the delay is not big, but it is not instant, so i was just wondering if its intentional
[07:52] <Guest20> okay i can try
[07:52] <Guest20> brb
[07:57] <Guest20> lotuspsychje i think it is still there with xorg, almost like when switching folders the folder screen is forced to play a few blank folder screens before showing new content
[07:57] <Guest20> im running on 60hz so not sure if that would make a difference compared to 120hz
[07:58] <Guest20> but i can notice difference compared to windows xp (lol)
[07:58] <Guest20> where it is instant
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> weird Guest20
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: can you pastebin; sudo lshw -C video plz?
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[08:00] <Guest20> am just running on intel 7700k integrated HD craphics 630 since i mainly just write text and email
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:01] <Guest20> would it better to have external gpu?
[08:01] <Guest20> https://dpaste.com/G4JDGMKZM
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: not that should run fine!
[08:10] <ducasse> Guest20: is it a big folder, lots of files/directories?
[08:11] <Guest20> ducasse not really, i turned off search in subfolders but did not have any affect
[08:14] <Guest20> ducasse okay i installed pcmanfm, and it is running fine... i guess this small delay is justa a nautilus thing (?)
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> well im on 2 intel graphics too Guest20
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> and i dont notice delays
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> a 630 and 650 UHD
[08:15] <Guest20> lotuspsychje could you please try pcmanfm out of curiosity
[08:15] <Guest20> and compare
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> but i dont have delays to compare
[08:16] <Guest20> lotuspsychje the delay is not big just noticeable for me, but i would be very curious to know if you can see the difference when comparing the two
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: can you confirm your nautilus version is 1:42.2-0ubuntu1
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> (apt policy nautilus)
[08:19] <Guest20> yeah Installed: 1:42.2-0ubuntu1
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: was it an upgrade or clean install?
[08:21] <Guest20> I would say on nautilus changing between desktop and home folder is about  0.3s ish while on pcmanfm it feels instant like on windows xp file explorer
[08:21] <Guest20> clean install
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> pretty weird
[08:21] <Guest20> lotuspsychje could please try? im not a pcmanfm shill, i just want to know if you see the difference when you try it
[08:22] <Guest20> I mean could you try pcmanfm since you have hd graphics too
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: yeah pcmanfm is fast indeed
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> but i cant say nautilus is lagging on me neither
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: are you using any extensions or installed some programs recently?
[08:34] <leonardo_> hi
[09:41] <Guest20> any recommended ubuntu app to play  old .swf files offline?
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: there is a flasharch snap player if you like
[09:45] <Guest20> thanks lotuspsychje
[09:49] <Guest20> lotuspsychje strange when i open flasharch and browse for files, i assume it is using some nautilus mod... it is also very fast...
[09:49] <Guest20> but the one opened via Files has the small delay
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: i know its not secure, but just for a quick test you could try a sudo nautilus, and see if you see delays there
[09:55] <EriC^> better to use "sudo -H nautilus" so no files get owned by root
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> oh tnx EriC^
[09:55] <Guest20> what does the -H do if I may ask?
[09:56] <EriC^> it sets the $HOME to /root
[09:56] <Guest20> okay
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: actualy, i do have a weird issue aswell, when switching from folders in the left quickstart pane, the mouse arrow does show a small 'loading' delay
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> do you also see those?
[09:57] <Guest20> i havent paid attention to mouse, just how the files show up
[09:58] <Guest20> yea i see the loading thing now
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> the mouse arrow shows a turning/loading circle here
[09:58] <Guest20> on the mouse
[09:58] <Guest20> ya
[09:58] <Guest20> Yeah I have it too
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> maybe thats worth a bug, lemme check existing ones
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: do you have a launchpad account to file a bug?
[10:00] <Guest20> i dont know what that is
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: https://launchpad.net/ register there, then run ubuntu-bug nautilus from a terminal
[10:03] <Guest20> oh looked like I had one Lol... okay what next?
[10:03] <Guest20> I am not sure how this works
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: once you ran ubuntu-bug nautilus, add a title + description (your story of what happens)
[10:05] <Guest20> nautilus small lag ?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> or Nautilus switching folders delay
[10:06] <Guest20> okay
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: tnx to file bug #1992234
[10:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1992234 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus switching folders delay" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992234
[10:12] <Guest20> do you get email for that? you noticed it quickly
[10:12] <Guest20> anyway thanks for your help
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> we have a channel for new incoming bugs
[10:13] <Guest20> ok cool
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: i affected/confirmed your bug now as it happens on my side too
[10:13] <Guest20> nice
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> Guest20: maybe also describe it happens switching the folders in the left favorites folders
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> well, it does happen on egular folders too
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> so nvm
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> *regular
[10:14] <Guest20> yeah
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> tnx for reporting this Guest20
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> the developers will now follow your bug up and they might ask you to test things
[10:16] <Guest20> alright
[10:17] <SOUMIK> hello
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> welcome SOUMIK
[10:38] <jeronimo> hi, I did something stupid and did a git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git copied the amdgpu files into /lib/firmware/amdgpu/
[10:38] <jeronimo> any way to restore them?
[10:39] <jeronimo> to the original files
[10:55] <alkisg> jeronimo: sudo dpkg -V
[10:55] <alkisg> Will list all modified packages that are owned by a package; then apt reinstall that package
[11:00] <iloveubuntuuuu> Hi~ Have a problem connect libera.chat with Tor, is there anyone has the similar issues?
[11:02] <iloveubuntuuuu> Hi~ Have a problem connect libera.chat with Tor, is there anyone has the similar issues? Need some help please~
[11:53] <vancz> I need to install a specific version of this so I can use --purge to remove it from the /var/lib/snapd/seed/snaps directory, does anyone know how to get this to work?:
[11:53] <vancz> # snap install gnome-3-38-2004 --revision 112
[11:53] <vancz> error: cannot install "gnome-3-38-2004": Access by specifying a revision is not allowed for this Snap.
[11:59] <ducasse> iloveubuntuuuu: try #libera
[12:07] <vancz> ok apparently snap install /var/lib/snapd/seed/snaps/gnome-3-38-2004_112.snap works
[12:07] <vancz> The other thing is its not clear if the .snap file can just be removed after removal, so that's why I'm fighting with snap...
[12:08] <murmel> vancz: is there a reason why you want to remove older snaps?
[12:18] <wez_hn> :\
[12:23] <manu2> test
[12:23] <respawn> fail
[12:24] <manu2> test2
[12:24] <respawn> manu2: welcome this is ubuntu help channel if you need help with ubuntu issue ask here
[12:24] <manu2> hi respawn
[12:25] <respawn> manu2: for non help general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic right click join
[12:25] <manu2> ok
[12:25] <manu2> lol using weechat xD
[12:30] <wez_hn> maum: irssi exists you know
[12:30] <wez_hn> oops, I meant manu2, sorry
[12:31] <murmel> well manu2 left :)
[12:31] <wez_hn> murmel: My tab complete didn't know that :(
[12:31] <wez_hn> well, actually, it didn'y
[12:33] <codedmart> Not ubuntu related, but I am using docker containers for development and using zsh as my shell. When I exit a container shell I see `zsh: can't rename $HOME/.zsh_history.new to $HISTFILE`. I mount a `zsh_history` file from host to container to save history which works fine. So not sure why it is trying to use a `.zsh_history.new` file.
[12:35] <EriC^^> codedmart: what's ls -ld $(echo $HISTFILE) give?
[12:35] <EriC^^> *ls -l
[12:36] <codedmart> EriC^^ `-rw-r--r--. 1 codedmart codedmart 925 Oct  8 12:35 /home/codedmart/.zsh_history`
[12:36] <iloveubuntuuuu> xx: how can I hide my IP like yours, I mean the form ...@...
[12:37] <EriC^^> iloveubuntuuuu: ask for a cloak in #libera i guess, you have to have a registered username
[12:40] <codedmart> EriC^^ doesn't that look correct? Not sure where the .zsh_history.new is coming from. If I delete it I still see the error and the file is back.
[12:41] <EriC^^> codedmart: yeah it looks right i think
[12:45] <vancz> nevermind purge doesnt actually work
[12:45] <vancz> murmel: because I need to shrink this disk enough to fit it into ram
[12:46] <pikapika> wtf
[12:46] <pikapika> installing 'maxima' removed gnuplot-qt
[12:46] <pikapika> is there any way to safely also have gnuplot-qt along with maxima
[12:46] <pikapika> gnuplot is now using a different library probably gtk for its gui window
[12:47] <vancz> i see going off the trodden path is still a catastrophe... :(
[12:48] <murmel> vancz: deleting that file should be enough
[12:49] <vancz> murmel: this directory afaict doesnt seem to be documented anywhere
[12:49] <vancz> will I not end up leaving some database in some inconsistent state or something
[12:52] <murmel> vancz: afaik, there is /var/lib/snapd/seed/seed.yaml and a file in /var/lib/snapd/seed/assertions
[12:52] <vancz> honest question, how am I supposed to figure this out?
[12:55] <vancz> Im googling snap seed documentation and getting nothing relevant, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/seed-yaml-documentation/3050/4 from 2017 suggests this is undocumented but thats 5 years ago
[12:55] <vancz> apparently #snappy is a thing though
[12:56] <murmel> yeah would definitely ask in there or forums, to see what they recommend
[12:56] <murmel> forums are probably better to reach somebody
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:01] <wez_hn> yay BluesKaj!
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hey wez_hn
[13:02] <wez_hn> How are you BluesKaj ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> wez_hn, doing ok here, how about you?
[13:06] <wez_hn> BluesKaj: Can't complain. How's your Ubuntu experience been so far?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> so far so good. testing Kubuntu Kinetic atm, just finished upgrading to a new kernel version
[13:09] <ogra> vancz, only the owner of a snap can install by revision ... ormal users only get whats recent in the respective channels
[13:09] <ogra> *normal
[13:10] <vancz> 1) that sounds stupid as hell, no offense to you
[13:10] <vancz> 2) i managed to get that part to work by installing from the .snap file
[13:10] <vancz> I thought --purge would remove the .snap file in the seeds directory if i managed to reinstall it, but it didnt
[13:11] <vancz> unless I goofed something
[13:11] <vancz> I mean passing snap the path to the file, instead of the package name and revision <vancz> 2) i managed to get that part to work by installing from the .snap file
[13:11] <murmel> vancz: remember when install the snap directly, no (auto) updates
[13:12] <ogra> murmel, only if there is no matching assertion file
[13:12] <murmel> ogra: aha :) learned something
[13:12] <ogra> if the snap is signed (i.e. an assertion file exists) it does not matter where it comes from, it will update
[13:19] <murmel> ogra: wow didn't realize that you were _that_ heavily into snaps
[13:20] <ogra> murmel, i worked on the team that created them in 2014 🙂 (and worked on the first three versions of Ubuntu Core from 2015 on)
[13:20] <murmel> ahh :) explains it then
[13:39] <lolek> hi, so since snap is something that came out from Canonical, I thought this is the best place to ask this. Why snap is using keyword "refresh" instead of "update" to actually update it's packages? Everything else is using... update .. it's kind of counter intuitive. What was the reasoning behind this decision?
[13:42] <murmel> lolek: i mean even ubuntu itself doesn't use update to update it's packages. but I do agree refresh is quite different to update or upgrade
[13:43] <lolek> yeah well I'd like to learn about the logic that came to the point where someone say "hey, use refresh"..
[13:46] <leftyfb> lolek: try #snappy
[13:46] <lolek> lets go then
[13:47] <pickanick> what's the difference between cd-paranoia and cdparanoia? With -, uses libcdio-paranoia2 instead of ...0 , my guess is cd-paranoia might be a rewrite of cdparanoia, possibly less complete since the older one is kept available. Anyone use either?
[13:52] <leftyfb> pickanick: apt-cache show cd-paranoia ; apt-cache show cdparanoia
[13:56] <_8lurry> where can I see the logs for a cron job?
[13:57] <leftyfb> syslog or the cron journal log
[13:58] <leftyfb> _8lurry: or wherever you wrote your script in the cron to write out to
[13:59] <_8lurry> leftyfb, where is the cron journal log?
[14:00] <leftyfb> _8lurry: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs
[14:14] <rob0> pickanick: did you ever get your Ethernet/wifi issues solved?
[14:27] <_8lurry> leftyfb, thanks
[14:28] <pickanick> rob0: not yet, I appreciate you asking, will ping you again another day. :)
[14:31] <vancz> one reason this is stupid, what if I have a backup for an old version of a program? <ogra> vancz, only the owner of a snap can install by revision ... ormal users only get whats recent in the respective channels
[14:31] <vancz> is there a way to solve that?
[14:37] <pickanick> Is there a package that will allow cd[-]paranoia to save to FLAC ? Or will I have to save to .WAV and then reencode to FLAC or some other compressed format?
[15:20] <tanja84dk> I have a question. Does anyone have an idea why it is that tcpdump fails on ubuntu with some flags even as root ( permission denied and sometimes apparmor in log ). I have even tried to uninstall and reinstall apparmor but same result. Ihave also tried to unload all profiles with aa-teardown but still same result
[15:21] <tanja84dk> and the flag I'm trying to use is -C ( the max file size ) and that is the flad there is giving the permission denied even as root
[15:22] <tomreyn> tanja84dk: sounds like you may need to file a !bug to have this sorted out with an apparmor profile update.
[15:23] <tomreyn> !bug | tanja84dk
[15:24] <tanja84dk> well unfortunally we know those bug trackers takes months and most get quashed and its only pro users ubuntu are listening to
[15:25] <ikonia> that's not true
[15:25] <tanja84dk> but yeah even with all profiles unloaded and as root it still gives me 'audit: type=1400 audit(1665239066.337:27): apparmor="DENIED" operation="capable" profile="tcpdump" pid=739136 comm="tcpdump" capability=16  capname="sys_module"
[15:25] <tanja84dk> @Tanja84DK
[15:25] <tanja84dk> Thank you very much. Or actually noticed or were another error but still from apparmor so I know where to look audit: type=1400 audit(1665239066.337:27): apparmor="DENIED" operation="capable" profile="tcpdump" pid=739136 comm="tcpdump" capability=16  capname="sys_module"
[15:25] <tanja84dk> ' even with apparmor directly uninstalled because ubuntu forces apparmor in the kernel
[15:25] <ikonia> make a good factual bug report - and engage in getting it fixed and it will get fixed
[15:26] <tomreyn> maybe related to this? https://serverfault.com/questions/478636/tcpdump-out-pcap-permission-denied
[15:29] <tanja84dk> yes and no because its even when the server literally has apparmor removed it still gets that issue and again I'm literally root on the server
[15:32] <tavatir> napiyonuz la burda
[15:33] <tomreyn> !ubuntu | tavatir
[15:34] <tanja84dk> ohh just noticed it never will work out from the strace looks like even when you run tcpdump as root it still sets another user so I guess its tcpdump there is flawed and completely broken
[15:37] <tomreyn> tanja84dk: so you tried -Z root?
[15:38] <tanja84dk> no because that shouldmt be needed the only tome that should be needed is when you want as another user then you are running as
[15:39] <tomreyn> did you read the serverfault post i pointed you to?
[15:41] <tomreyn> (or the tcpdump man page on the -C option)
[15:52] <tanja84dk> i were in the middle of reading the post, but tbh the man page is way to confusing because of so poorly formatted the man pages are for screen readers ( in essense all of them wich why I never check them anymore ) and all the guides that mentioned the -C flag never told about that it dropped permissions
[15:53] <tomreyn> looks like everyone is at fault other than tanja84dk
[15:56] <tanja84dk> STFU KID @tomreyn and get back to your dads dock
[15:56] <tanja84dk> *dick
[16:17] <helmet> Anyone experiencing this at the momment? I suspect it is a temporary issue...
[16:17] <helmet> $ sudo apt update
[16:17] <helmet> Err:1 http://iq.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease
[16:17] <helmet>   403  Forbidden [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
[16:20] <oerheks> helmet, maybe that mirror is in sync now, or way behind?
[16:20] <oerheks> try the main archive, in softwareupdate settings
[16:21] <helmet> thanks
[16:22] <oerheks> not sure what country provides iq.archive.ubuntu
[16:23] <tomreyn> GB according to ip-whois on 91.189.91.39
[16:23] <tomreyn> helmet: does this also return a 403 (first line)?   curl -I --resolve iq.archive.ubuntu.com:80:91.189.91.39 http://iq.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease
[16:45] <vancz> is it safe to use debian package channels with ubuntu? id like to use ubuntu's qemu-kvm because it seems to have less dependencies than what ubuntu has
[16:47] <ravage> vancz, no
[16:51] <vancz> hm actually https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/qemu-system-x86-microvm might work for me
[16:52] <vancz> ugh no that still pulls in the graphics stuff
[16:54] <samantha> yi
[16:54] <samantha> any machine learning experts here
[17:11] <_8lurry> samantha, I am not an expert, but can you bring the topic up what you want to talk about?
[18:28] <cgo> I have a third party package that does not recognize my installation of libptscotch-7 for some reason
[18:29] <cgo> I'm on kinetic but the package is only available as jammy... does that matter?
[18:29] <cgo> how can i force it to recognize my installed package or ignore it?
[18:29] <oerheks> !next
[18:30] <oerheks> for kinetic support, join the dedicated channel
[18:34] <relipse> how do I install from the regular repository intead of andre's? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KvwXFMOh/
[18:36] <oerheks> remove the ondrej ppa, with ppa-purge, that reverses packages too?
[18:36] <oerheks> 7,4 is available in our repos https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.4
[18:37] <relipse> i don't want to uninstall php 8.1-fpm or anything, i just want to also install php 7.4 fpm
[18:39] <tomreyn> using ubuntu's packages and ondrej's side by side will most likely not work
[18:39] <oerheks> indeed, and why mixing versions?
[19:56] <Exterminador> most of the people use ondrej's PPA on Ubuntu 22.04 because WordPress doesn't yet fully support PHP 8.1
[19:58] <Exterminador> it's weird to see someone using it on Ubuntu 20.04, though
[21:12] <xyz> mathematica
[22:20] <murmel> Exterminador: there is more software than wordpress that don't get upgraded that quickly
[22:37] <Pasgagn> mtd --         sudo systemctl disable systemd-pstore.service i can t log in my lighdm session . i can t write but os is okay i can connect with putty