[02:02] <hams> hello, is there a rdp equivelant for ubuntu? vnc does not have as many features
[02:02] <xrandr> hams: xrdp
[02:02] <xrandr> hams: can use Remmina for it
[02:05] <xrandr> Hope that works for you
[02:05] <hams> is xrdp the client and remina the server?
[02:05] <xrandr> Otherwise you can use things like logmein,  Team Viewer, etc.
[02:05] <xrandr> Wait,  you're looking to RDP into a Linux Desktop?
[02:06] <xrandr> If that's the case, TeamViewer or LogMeIn or something like that is your best bet
[02:06] <hams> yes. im on a windows machine and i want to rdp into my ubuntu desktpop
[02:06] <hams> aww
[02:06] <xrandr> You can set up RDP to a linux machine
[02:06] <xrandr> but it can become a little painful
[02:06] <xrandr> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjx2YD2h9L6AhXgF1kFHa_YDdcQFnoECBgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Flinuxize.com%2Fpost%2Fhow-to-install-xrdp-on-ubuntu-20-04%2F&usg=AOvVaw0KUdblDl2xKvBP4YysyhBn
[02:07] <xrandr> https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-xrdp-on-ubuntu-20-04/
[02:07] <xrandr> The 2nd link lol
[02:08] <murmel> hams: depending on which release and which flavour you are on, xrdp can still be used, as gnome for example implements an rdp server in their gui
[02:08] <hams> ohhh
[02:08] <hams> does ubuntu desktop come with knome?
[02:08] <xrandr> It comes with Unity which is a gnome derivative
[02:09] <murmel> xrandr: it does not
[02:09] <xrandr> Follow that link I posted
[02:09] <murmel> hams: if you use proper ubuntu, yes it's gnome
[02:09] <xrandr> murmel: ubuntu desktop comes with Unity/Wayland
[02:09] <murmel> xrandr: no? last release with unity was 16.04
[02:10] <hams> im installing ubuntu 22.04 desktop
[02:10] <xrandr> So it just runs gnome with the unity look n feel then?
[02:11] <xrandr> hams: That link should get you where you need to go
[02:11] <hams> should i follow the first step to install knome?
[02:11] <xrandr> Read it
[02:11] <hams> lol ok
[02:11] <murmel> hams: if you are finished with installing, go to settings, sharing and there enable it
[02:11] <hams> xrandr is like RTFM
[02:12] <hams> okie.
[02:12] <murmel> yes, which you don't have to do, as 22.04 implements a rdp server itself
[02:12] <murmel> so you don't have to install anything
[02:12] <xrandr> hams: listen to murmel
[02:12] <xrandr> he/she/they are correct
[02:13] <murmel> xrandr: I mean if you mean that 3 addons by default make it unity feel, okay i guess
[02:14] <xrandr> murmel: so,  when I did it a year ago,  it created a separate desktop session. With Windows,  you RDP into another Windows machine,  you end up using the same session as if you were actually in front of the machine.  It may have changed in later releases
[02:15] <hams> i really like in front of the machine thing
[02:15] <hams> 0 lag
[02:15] <xrandr> hams: actually,  that was meant for you
[02:15] <xrandr> I should probably make my way to bed lol
[02:16] <hams> the proxmox rdp makes the window small sized and i cant 4k it
[04:25]  * enyc meows :O
[05:43] <morgan-usb> hello I am on a live-cd and today I cannot see my hard drive OR a 2nd USB that I put in to see what is on it. I tried a 2nd USB and same story.
[05:43] <morgan-usb> using "Files" 22.04
[06:01] <alkisg> morgan-usb: open a terminal and run this: sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:15] <hams> helo guysss
[06:15] <hams> ok so it turns out that rdp is working
[06:15] <hams> screen displays but no actual control
[06:41] <neon> how do i build gcc
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> neon: we usualy advice users to use the packages from the ubuntu official repos instead of building/compile
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> neon: maybe if you share your whole story/end goal the volunteers might be able to help think along with you
[06:45] <neon> im currently building as
[06:45] <neon> cd gcc-master ; rm -rf objdir ; mkdir objdir ; cd objdir ; ../configure --disable-multilib ; make
[06:45] <neon> but i get       ar: charset.o: No such file or directory
[06:45] <neon> when libcpp is being built
[06:46] <neon> lotuspsychje: i want to try to extend C with new syntax
[06:47] <neon> cus i cannot find any existing languages that suit my needs
[06:47] <webchat10> Hello, my wifi card isn'ẗ working;
[06:47] <webchat10> When I run:
[06:47] <webchat10> sudo dmesg | grep ath
[06:47] <webchat10> [   19.940159] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xbe000000-0xbe1fffff 64bit]
[06:47] <webchat10> [   19.940177] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[06:47] <webchat10> [   19.940216] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: failed to get 32 MSI vectors, only -28 available
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !paste | webchat10
[06:48] <neon> or you can do `cat file | nc termbin.com 9999`
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> neon: i think #linux or #programming might be more of use for you
[06:48] <neon> and then paste the outputted link
[06:49] <neon> where do i find the build script that ubuntu uses to build gcc ?
[06:51] <webchat10> My wifi card stopped working and I've been stuck trying to fix it for weeks now, it's a brand new PC,
[06:51] <webchat10> when I run
[06:51] <webchat10> sudo dmesg | grep ath
[06:51] <webchat10> This is what I get:
[06:51] <webchat10> [   17.893068] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xbe000000-0xbe1fffff 64bit]
[06:51] <webchat10> [   17.893089] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: enabling device (0000 -&gt; 0002)
[06:54] <webchat10> Hello my wifi card stopped working and I can't figure out why
[06:54] <webchat10> [   17.893068] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xbe000000-0xbe1fffff 64bit]
[06:54] <webchat10> [   17.893089] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: enabling device (0000 -&gt; 0002)
[06:54] <webchat10> [   17.893129] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: failed to get 32 MSI vectors, only -28 available
[06:54] <webchat10> [   17.893133] ath11k_pci 0000:09:00.0: failed to enable msi: -28
[06:54] <webchat10> [   17.893142] ath11k_pci: probe of 0000:09:00.0 failed with error -28
[06:54] <neon> oof
[06:55] <neon> i still get     ar: charset.o: No such file or directory    ;-;
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !compile | neon
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> neon: here mate, the tuts from linuxconfig are always decent; https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-gcc-the-c-compiler-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts-jammy-jellyfish-linux
[07:00] <neon> i already have a prebuilt gcc
[07:06] <morgan-usb> alkisg   https://termbin.com/inpvk
[07:07] <alkisg> morgan-usb: I'm not using GNOME so I don't know why Files isn't showing you these (or where it would show them), but if you want to mount any of this via the command line, it's easy. Which one do you want to access?
[07:08] <morgan-usb> soory but I think tired caught up with me.
[07:08] <morgan-usb> what do you use instad of gname?
[07:08] <morgan-usb> just bash?
[07:08] <alkisg> Mostly MATE
[07:10] <morgan-usb> I think it failed for some reason. -- going to sleep.- My new plan is to install buntu. but first I wanted to see what is on the othere 4 flashdrives I have. I will ask again tomorrow. Thanks man. (Los Angeles time is after 1 am)
[07:11] <alkisg> gn
[07:11] <morgan-usb> I was going to amuse myself by installing windows first. So I was looking for a blank flash drive.
[07:13] <morgan-usb> I might have to recoil if it is as confusing as what I expect. but then I will have say 4 partitions for ubuntu. I may make one a server to get aquainted. (And I want to see why adding the mate destop to standard uubuntu failed. I might just download mate-ubuntu and see if it works that way. (I do like an application tree. and a taskbar. I can deal
[07:13] <morgan-usb> with any of them, except kdeplasma.
[07:13] <morgan-usb> too late..
[07:18] <morgan-usb> Hey and today my monitor is not flashing off for 7 seconds and coming back on. It only happened for 2 or 3 days ever. Wo woo = cheer.
[08:15] <ilya> ;m;m;m;lm;;m;m
[08:26] <varaindemian> I'm on ubuntu 22.04 and I'd like to stay up to date with the latest Gnome UI. How can I do that?
[08:26] <tomreyn> varaindemian: keep upgrading
[08:27] <varaindemian> tomreyn: don;t want to upgrade
[08:27] <varaindemian> I mean I still want to be on 22.04
[08:27] <tomreyn> then start embracing what you have
[08:27] <varaindemian> ..
[08:28] <tomreyn> !latest | varaindemian
[08:28] <varaindemian> tomreyn: I see. So there might be an option to add a ppa for latest gnome updates? :D
[08:30] <tomreyn> might, but you'd better move to a distribution with a rolling release model then
[08:30] <tomreyn> trading stability (who needs a stable desktop anyways! oh wait, everyone.) against latest
[08:58] <b0b> stable as in not moving or as in not breaking? if the former: not everyone needs that per se, if the latter: that's just plain wrong. you trade ease of maintenance for latest. and even that's debatable
[09:04] <uioi> Hi
[09:05] <uioi> I installed lubuntu on a usb stick and made it persistence space
[09:05] <uioi> now everything gonna be saved right? or it will be a fresh system every time i reboot?
[09:49] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm using Ubuntu 22.04 as my desktop OS. Earlier today my mouse speed suddenyl dropped massively. I found the mouse speed settings and hoisted them up, and that really improved things. But it's still a little slow for me.
[09:49] <bobdobbs> Is there another way for me to increase my mouse speed?
[09:49] <bobdobbs> I kinda need the speed, cos I work across three monitors
[09:57] <yasser> i was updating my system and it turned into black screen with bunch on errore
[09:57] <yasser> errors*
[10:03] <yasser> i was updating my system and it turned into black screen with a lot of errors
[10:03] <yasser> help
[10:04] <yasser> i have a image of the errors but I don't know how to upload it here
[10:07] <yasser> i booted into the system again and nothing wrong but why has this happend
[10:10] <bobdobbs> eshell
[10:11] <yasser> ?
[10:18] <brkroot> whats the safest way to remove LUKS encryption on a usb drive and restore its values to original (as bought) ?
[10:18] <brkroot> I have this usb for 3 years now and just want to remove the encryption and use it as normal
[10:39] <loose> brkroot: the safest way would be to backup its data and the reformat the drive
[10:41] <brkroot> loose, i remember last time trying to format the drive it gave me an error and failed to format. I was using gparted
[10:54] <alkisg> What error? If it has hardware issues (worn out) then these cannot be solved with software
[11:04] <brkroot> it doesnt have any hardware errors. Ok I will try
[11:39] <alkisg> After trying, tell us (1) the gparted error and (2) the last lines of the `sudo dmesg` command
[11:46] <brkroot> alkisg, thank you, will do
[11:48] <brkroot> before that, If i move the files with cp from the encrypted usb to the home directory, will the files be locked/encrypted?
[11:48] <brkroot> i mean i will copy them, not moving
[11:49] <tomreyn> brkroot: only if the home directory is somehow encrypted
[11:50] <brkroot> ok, it isn't encrypted. Thanks
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:39] <unimatrix9> hello all
[12:41] <unimatrix9> is there a guide / guidelines somewhere on what to do when you want a top quality software to be added to the ubuntu software store ( licence still to be considered )
[12:44] <ThinkT510> top quality but doesn't yet have a license?
[12:50] <unimatrix9> i think it will be Proprietary software
[12:51] <ThinkT510> will be? how can it be top quality software if it is unreleased?
[12:52] <ThinkT510> has it been some internal tool that has been used for years?
[12:56] <tomreyn> unimatrix9: you may want to /join #snapcraft
[12:56] <unimatrix9> updating myself on the idea of propriety software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proprietary_software_for_Linux
[12:56] <tomreyn> please keep the licensing discussion out of this support channel
[12:58] <unimatrix9> well why ? It does raise a very valid point.
[13:00] <unimatrix9> and i am happy that it was brought up, but no need to go deeper than this for sure
[13:08] <arkanoid> hello! I'm trying to figure out what causes my little home ubuntu server to go offline until manual reboot every week or so
[13:09] <ThinkT510> read through the logs?
[13:09] <arkanoid> journactl shows no unexpected log lines before the event happens
[13:10] <arkanoid> I just see normal CRON jobs lines, and then my manual --reboot-- line
[13:13] <arkanoid> is there any other log I should check to figure out whats happening?
[13:17] <tomreyn> arkanoid: is it server hardware?
[13:20] <arkanoid> tomreyn: no, it is an apu3
[13:20] <tomreyn> arkanoid: check "ip -s link" next time it happens
[13:21] <tomreyn> also, how do you test that it's offline?
[13:21] <tomreyn> can't connect by ssh?
[13:22] <tomreyn> do you have serial soncole access?
[13:22] <arkanoid> tomreyn: can't connect via ssh, can't ping in LAN, can't vpn ping to it, can't serial console via /dev/ttyUSB0
[13:22] <arkanoid> as soon as I hard reset the box, I get lines in serial console
[13:23] <tomreyn> hmm that sounds a lot like a hardware issue
[13:23] <arkanoid> yes, I think too, but how to find out if I should replace a thing, or everything?
[13:25] <arkanoid> what should I do with ip -s link? check if I get any package from a directly-connected lan ubuntu box?
[13:26] <tomreyn> i was thinking of RX/TX issues / dropped packet / IP address conflicts then. but that was before you said you loose serial console I/O
[13:27] <tomreyn> make sure you try a different kernel, just in case. and have the serial connected before it happens (if you have not had this, yet), so you can see kernel messages there, if any
[13:28] <tomreyn> regarding "replace a thing, or everything", i'm not sure if this makes much of a difference if it's an SBC. you could try replacing the power supply.
[13:29] <arkanoid> is it possible to redirect kernel panics to something I can read without serial console, or after reboot?
[13:29] <arkanoid> it is still running 20.04, I could try upgrading to 22.04
[13:30] <arkanoid> surely this would change the kernel
[13:30] <arkanoid> or maybe run memcheck?
[13:30] <arkanoid> *memtest
[13:33] <unimatrix9> maybe its usefull to see the times and dates of the last 10 shutdowns : last -Fxn10 shutdown reboot ( terminal )
[13:52] <OmarHanyKasban> UBUNTU SUCKED
[13:52] <OmarHanyKasban> i moved to fedora
[13:53] <tomreyn> OmarHanyKasban: let us know if you have an ubuntu support question
[13:53] <unimatrix9> what ever works for you is good for us too ;)
[13:54]  * neon runs out of ram
[13:54] <OmarHanyKasban> ubuntu came with my laptop with NVIDA-dell-oem-fix-disable drivers preinstalled
[13:54] <OmarHanyKasban> is this a JOKE DELL OEM TOM E
[13:54] <OmarHanyKasban> TO ME
[13:54] <OmarHanyKasban> runs out of ram?
[13:54] <neon> OmarHanyKasban: oof
[13:54] <neon> OmarHanyKasban: live usb :)
[13:54] <OmarHanyKasban> fedora just works
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> i tried ubuntu 22.04 and 22.10 on my laptop
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> only fedora worked
[13:55] <neon> too many packages XD
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> ubuntu 20.04 came with my laptop
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> I just want to know
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> why ubuntu sucks?
[13:55] <tomreyn> OmarHanyKasban: so you havee an ubuntu support question, though?
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> yes
[13:55] <OmarHanyKasban> why ubuntu sucks?
[13:56] <OmarHanyKasban> why ubuntu sucks?
[13:56] <tomreyn> can you stop it please
[13:57] <tomreyn> if you have construvctive criticism, maybe try #ubuntu-discuss. but so far this is not.
[14:00] <unimatrix9> ok thanks for the feedback i got , constructive and good, as ever, have a nice day all !
[14:00] <OmarHanyKasban> ?
[14:00] <OmarHanyKasban> i have only installed hexchat
[14:00] <OmarHanyKasban> to SEE Why ubuntu sucks
[14:00] <OmarHanyKasban> to try to FIX IT
[14:23] <yasser> hi
[14:23] <yasser> Hi i have a problem with lubuntu
[14:24] <yasser> when i run Fire fox it doesn't open or show anything
[14:24] <yasser> it just shows that it open and doesn't show anything
[14:25] <yasser> it came with lubuntu I didn't install it
[14:28] <_8lurry> is it possible to keep some directory encrypted and decrypt it only when a perticular user logs in?
[14:43] <EriC^> _8lurry: anything's possible
[14:44] <Clammy> hello
[14:44] <EriC^> _8lurry: it's so weak security wise though cause it really just depends on the user logging in, which is trivial to bypass
[14:45] <_8lurry> EriC^, I suppose the question is about how can I do it? somebody on another channel suggested to make a fs image and keep it encrypted
[14:46] <EriC^> _8lurry: well for encrypted dirs there's encfs, but for some reason it's not really liked by the community
[14:47] <_8lurry> how can I make a more secure vault?
[14:48] <EriC^> well if you want, you could have the key on a usb, and if its plugged in then it decrypts it i guess
[14:49] <EriC^> it really depends on what you want, or maybe just memorize the key, a short(ish) key is still better than auto-decrypting on user login in case laptop is stolen or something
[14:49] <_8lurry> EriC^, I want some application to have access to the files inside the encrypted dir/vault or whatever I am gonna try to make. so this filesystem really should be decrypted for some user
[14:52] <EriC^> _8lurry: make an .img set up luks on it and fs of your choice and i guess in the user's ~/.profile set it up to decrypt and mount it, make sure the home dir isnt read access by all users
[14:56] <EriC^> _8lurry: https://askubuntu.com/questions/58935/how-do-i-create-an-encrypted-filesystem-inside-a-file
[14:57] <_8lurry> EriC^, Thanks, that's really helpful
[14:58] <EriC^> _8lurry: no problem
[15:03] <_8lurry> EriC^: I can probably remove read access (for all) only from ~/.profile, to be an the safe side and not break other programs
[15:06] <EriC^> _8lurry: you'll need this as well to set it up with a keyfile to autodecrypt https://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/cryptsetup-add-enable-luks-disk-encryption-keyfile-linux/
[15:09] <_8lurry> EriC^: thanks agian
[15:20] <zteam> Hi all, I'm trying to examine a system freeze from previos boot on my Ubuntu machine, does anyone knows how I can read dmesg messages from previous boot?
[15:20] <tomreyn> zteam: journalctl -eb -1
[15:21] <tomreyn> zteam: this would give you the full system log from last run. if you just want the kernel log:   journalctl -ekb -1
[15:23] <tomreyn> note it's always possible that a kernel message did not make it to the logs because the disk / file system was not writable or  there was not enough time for it to make it there before the system got unstable.
[15:26] <zteam> tomreyn, thanks man, any idea how to troubleshoot this? journalctl -eb -1
[15:26] <zteam> okt 09 16:36:57 Steelhead pychess.desktop[12123]: Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:26] <zteam> okt 09 16:36:57 Steelhead pychess.desktop[12123]:   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pychess/perspectives/gam>
[15:26] <zteam> okt 09 16:36:57 Steelhead pychess.desktop[12123]:     gmwidg.gamemodel.terminate()
[15:26] <zteam> okt 09 16:36:57 Steelhead pychess.desktop[12123]:   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pychess/Utils/GameModel.>
[15:26] <zteam> okt 09 16:36:57 Steelhead pychess.desktop[12123]:     player.end(self.status, self.reason)
[15:26] <tomreyn> !paste | zteam
[15:28] <tomreyn> zteam: the first lines you (incorrectly) posted into the channel are just a python traceback for this pychess application which apparently failed. this would not explain that a server froze.
[15:28] <tomreyn> and you can talk again
[15:29] <zteam> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/hBeG4BQF
[15:30] <tomreyn> zteam: those lines are cut off to the right
[15:30] <tomreyn> 16:49:10 is when the critical error seems to have occurred
[15:31] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version and kernel version was it running then?
[15:32] <mort> is the ubuntu software experience considered "finished" or "working as intended"?
[15:32] <tomreyn> zteam: journalctl -b -1 | grep -A1 'Linux version' | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:33] <mort> snap store always wants to be updated but clicking the update button gives a broken-looking error message about snap-store having running apps
[15:34] <mort> and if I'm reading the error message right, ubuntu software is itself from the snap-store snap, so you have to close ubuntu software in order to update snap-store, but ubuntu software is the software responsible for updating snap-store
[15:34] <mort> this is getting better before 22.10 right...?
[15:36] <mort> and the error message: Unable to update "Snap Store": (null): cannot refresh "snap-store": snap "snap-store" has running apps (ubunut-software), pids: 3852 -- is this actually supposed to be a user-facing error message? With the (null) and all?
[15:36] <zteam> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/d17d
[15:39] <zteam> tomreyn, here is link with fixed output from the journalctl https://pastebin.com/iMhTBcvk
[15:40] <tomreyn> zteam: is this the focal -edge kernel?
[15:40] <tomreyn> linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04-edge ?
[15:44] <tomreyn> zteam: can you:    apt list --installed linux-image\* |& nc termbin.com 9999
[15:45] <zteam> tomreyn, what makes you ask that? (i'm problably missing something obivious, but that's not what uname -a suggest so I'm not sure where you get that from? :-)
[15:46] <zteam> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/pcig
[15:48] <tomreyn> zteam: https://termbin.com/d17d says you were running "Linux version 5.15.0-48-generic [..] #54-Ubuntu", and i didn't find this version on https://packages.ubuntu.com other than with the -edge kernel image. but your apt output shows that either i missed it or packages.ubuntu.com is outdated
[15:48] <tomreyn> zteam: so, you're on the latest kernel image, that's good. i can't say what triggered the null pointer dereference though
[15:49] <tomreyn> i mean an illegal memory access did, but it't unclear what would have caused it.
[15:50] <tomreyn> if this happens again / regularly, i'd run a memory test
[15:50] <tomreyn> and undo overclocking, if any.
[15:51] <zteam> tomreyn, okey, well, I don't know either, it happens occasionally,abotut once in a month, I have QEMU and Vmware installed not sure if any drivers from those stuff are responsible, I don't overclock either :-)
[15:54] <tomreyn> i'm a bit puzzled as to why systemd-hostnamed.service  started and got deactivated there in the middle of the system, triggered by pychess
[15:54] <tomreyn> but i guess that is probably unrelated
[15:59] <tomreyn> zteam: misbehaving drivers can cause such, but we don't really know enough at this point.
[16:01] <zteam> tomreyn, I believe I have seen something about systemd hostname in previous crashes as well, but I never knew how to browse previous system logs from dmesg before (I just used to do cat /var/log/syslog.1 and then use grep to search around :-)
[16:02] <tomreyn> zteam: it's certainly more convenient with journalctl
[16:03] <tomreyn> zteam: the 3 lines that were captured of the kernel fault were not the full output, it would normally look similar to this: https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/72845/
[16:03] <tomreyn> (on the bottom grey background box)
[16:04] <tomreyn> you only have the three lines it starts with, but more will have been reported by the kernel while it could
[16:04] <tomreyn> it just didn't end up on the logs, i assume
[16:06] <tomreyn> the "CPU:" and "RIP:" line as well as the lines belonging to the "Call Trace:" could have provided mor einformation on what actually went wrong there.
[16:06] <tomreyn> but you'd need a serial console attached to catch those lines, i guess.
[16:06] <tomreyn> or kernel crash dumps
[16:10] <zteam> tomreyn, dumb question, then I look into /var/log/kern.log I don't see those lines from our journalctl command earlier, shouldn't those lines be in  /var/log/kern.log as well?
[16:13] <tomreyn> zteam: i /think/ so. you have two logging mechanisms: rsyslogd and systemd-journald, each creating their own logs. /var/log/kern.log would be written by rsyslogd whereas what you read with journalctl is written by systemd-journald.
[16:14] <tomreyn> so depending on how fast they could persist those log lines these lines may or may not have ended up on disk before the system became unstable
[16:15] <tomreyn> it's a matter of memory buffering and disk write caching. this time it ended out like this, next time it can be different.
[16:20] <zteam> tomreyn, sometimes, I wish there was a single command to browse these logs, just like dmesg but for previous boots :-/
[16:20] <nowaka> Hi, I am struggling with a sed command, and I thought someone in here might be able to help me.
[16:20] <tomreyn> zteam: you mean like the journalctl command i provided earlier?
[16:21] <tomreyn> nowaka: you can try asking here, or in #bash
[16:21] <nowaka> I have this command and it places "ADDED_CONTENT" where I want it to: sed -e '/}/{N;/\n/N;/\nvhTemplate cent/{s/^/ADDED_CONTENT\n/;};}' test.conf > new_test.conf
[16:23] <nowaka> But I want to add a variable instead of "ADDED_CONTENT", like $string, but the it places "$string" in my file instead of the content of $string.
[16:23] <nowaka> So: sed -e '/}/{N;/\n/N;/\nvhTemplate cent/{s/^/$string\n/;};}' test.conf > new_test.conf Does not work as I expect it to.
[16:25] <tomreyn> i'm afraid that's beyond my pay grade on a sunday evening.
[16:25] <nowaka> haha fair :D
[16:25] <rfm_> nowaka, use double quotes instead of single quotes, bash doesn't sub variables in single quoted strings
[16:25] <arraybolt3> nowaka: Was just about to say what rfm_ just said.
[16:26] <arraybolt3> (Or something similar.)
[16:28] <arkanoid> tomreyn: sorry I went missing for some hours. I replaced thermal paste, performed memtest, upgraded bios and upgraded 20.04 -> 22.04
[16:28] <nowaka> rfm_ thanks! that did the trick! I was going mad over this :D
[16:30] <zteam> tomreyn, fair point, that command is actually pretty awesome, but it does cutoff the lines at right instead of just splitting the line then the text hits the window border, there is probably an option for this I don't know about
[16:31] <tomreyn> arkanoid: good, then let's hope it won't happen again. here's what else you can do: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging - see also "linux-crashdump -- How to use linux-crashdump to capture a kernel oops/panic" there
[16:31] <tomreyn> zteam: ^ also relevant to you
[16:33] <tomreyn> zteam: the "cutoff lines at the right" is something the pager application ("less" by default) does. you can just pipe the journalctl output into a file or a different command or use a different pager application (such as "more") by setting the PAGER environment variable accordingly.
[16:34] <tomreyn> journalctl -kb -1 > /tmp/past_kernel_log.txt && gedit /tmp/past_kernel_log.txt
[16:34] <tomreyn> there's also the "Logs" GUI application for viewing journald logs
[16:44] <zteam> tomreyn, thanks, but why is it using less to read from journalctl and not with dmesg? (sorry if sound a bit whiny, but some stuff about linux really confuses me, even after being a Ubuntu user for several years) :-)
[16:47] <tomreyn> zteam: convenience. you can just run     PAGER=cat journalctl -kb -1    if you want equivalent output
[16:48] <tomreyn> in less you can just press the cursor key to the right to read the full line
[16:50] <tomreyn> (or enable line wrapping)
[16:57] <zteam> tomreyn, what buffles is that I can't find any option in gnome terminal emulator to enable line wrapping (shouldn't the terminal emulator be able to do this by default) ? :-)
[16:58] <tomreyn> zteam: it does it by default (while you're operating on the shell)
[17:00] <tomreyn> this would wrap:  while true; do echo -n 1234567890; sleep 0.1; done
[17:11] <zteam> tomreyn, :-O "it does it by default (while you're operating on the shell" sorry but I can't really tell what you are meaning here :-)
[17:12] <tomreyn> zteam: "less" is an application, it can behave differently about line wrapping than your shell does.
[17:14] <tomreyn> https://superuser.com/questions/272818/how-to-turn-off-word-wrap-in-less
[17:14] <tomreyn> (*word* wrap is obviously the wrong term, it's about *line* wrapping / "folding")
[17:15] <Pasgagn> i disable mtd with systemctl but i can t logging in my desktop session i can write on the logging field . anyone have an idea?
[17:16] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: Can you clarify? Are you not able to get to a usable desktop?
[17:16] <Pasgagn> i reinstall desktop it seems ok
[17:17] <Pasgagn> i can connect with putty ssh
[17:18] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: Can you explain, step-by-step, exactly what you're trying to do, and how? It's very difficult to help resolve a problem if we don't know what's going wrong, and right now I'm not sure what is going wrong.
[17:18] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 i reinstall sddm and lightdm  and nvidia driver 340 and
[17:18] <Pasgagn> i can type text on the logging field
[17:18] <Pasgagn> i can t
[17:19] <arraybolt3> Ah, but then when you attempt to actually log in, it fails?
[17:19] <Pasgagn> it's like my keyboard doesn't work
[17:19] <arraybolt3> OK, that I can possibly help with. What flavor of Ubuntu are you using? Kubuntu? Lubuntu?
[17:20] <arraybolt3> (Also, knowing the exact version (like "22.04") will be helpful.)
[17:20] <Pasgagn> 22.04 ubuntu mate
[17:20] <arraybolt3> OK. One moment...
[17:20] <Pasgagn> 20.04 sorry
[17:20] <tomreyn> i already failed to understand what "i disable mtd with systemctl"  means
[17:21] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: They're probably dealing with that "mtd device failed to initialize" message at boot. It doesn't actually cause any problems, but since other problems generally leave it as the last message on the screen, it looks like the problem.
[17:22] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 mtd device must be supplied device name is empty
[17:22] <tomreyn> oh, good guess there, arraybolt3
[17:23] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: Probably the first step here would be to back up your data. If an attempted fix goes really wrong, you'll be glad to still have access to your files.
[17:24] <arraybolt3> Once your data is backed up, I would uninstall SDDM. Ubuntu MATE 20.04 appears to use LightDM by default, so SDDM may be causing part of the confusion here.
[17:25] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 ok i remove now sddm
[17:29] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 i m on the logging session same problem
[17:29] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: Do you remember what you did last before this problem started?
[17:29] <arraybolt3> Or is this on a brand-new installation of Ubuntu MATE?
[17:30] <arraybolt3> I know you reinstalled those drivers and componenets, but I think that's how you were attempting to fix the problem, not how you got into the problem originally.
[17:31] <zteam> tomreyn, I knew about less, I just found the behavior a little annoying since it made it harder to just paste the lines directly from the terminal, any way thanks for all your help and patience and sorry about the whining :)
[17:32] <Pasgagn> sure i install libgdk-pixbuf-2.0_0 depends libgdk-pixbuf-xlib2.0-0 but libgdk-pixbuf-2.4..2-2build4 was necessary so i downloaded directly because source was deprecated
[17:35] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 every package I installed was giving me this dependency error
[17:35] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: Ouch. You tried to install one of those packages using apt and it gave you a dependency error?
[17:35] <Pasgagn> aptitude and apt
[17:36] <arraybolt3> That's... odd. Can you share the output of "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | nc termbin.com 9999"? That will let me see if you've added any PPAs to your system.
[17:36] <arraybolt3> (Note that the damaged system will need to be connected to the Internet for that command to work.)
[17:37] <arraybolt3> (And please **don't** just paste the output of "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d" here, that could get an anti-flood bot to mute you.)
[17:38] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3
[17:38] <Pasgagn> https://termbin.com/eym0
[17:39] <arraybolt3> Okay, that may explain dependency problems. You have weird old PPAs left over from a previous install, it looks like.
[17:40] <arraybolt3> Also I see multiple graphics driver PPAs, which may be causing further confusion.
[17:40] <arraybolt3> Ack, and Focal **and** Jammy PPAs?!?
[17:40] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 because only nvidia-340 work on this laptop
[17:41] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: At this point I think it would probably be in your best interest to back up all of your important data and install Ubuntu MATE from scratch, then only add the PPAs you need. Currently your system is in a rather scrambled state that may be difficult to fix.
[17:41] <arraybolt3> If you use a password manager or save passwords in your browser, make sure to back those up too.
[17:43] <Pasgagn> i synch my webrowser and no problem if this system will be break i ll reinstall it
[17:43] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: OK. If you really want to try to fix it without reinstalling, the last idea I have is to make a new user, and attempt to log in as them. If that fails, a total reinstall would probably be the easiest solution.
[17:45] <Pasgagn> i ll try to adduser and connect on a new session and it s the same
[17:48] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 since the addition of the dependency had the consequence of deleting the desktop is it possible that by reinstalling the office it is to forget files? keyboard . a lot of node file was deleted
[17:49] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: I don't think that reinstalling an office suite would cause the loss of any personal files.
[17:49] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 desktop file
[17:49] <arraybolt3> Oh, the desktop file. Yes, it *might* have gotten rid of the desktop file for the office suite.
[17:50] <arraybolt3> Running "sudo apt install libreoffice-gtk3" might fix that, I'm not sure.
[17:50] <Pasgagn> i ll delete also rm .X and rm .Xauthority
[17:51] <Pasgagn> i ll already use this to log and it was ok
[17:55] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: I see your DM, and... crud. That looks like your package manager is really scrambled. In that event, reinstalling is almost certainly the easiest way to fix this
[17:56] <arraybolt3> Pasgagn: (As a sidenote, you can paste large amounts of text like that into a service like http://bpa.st, then get a link that you can send here so that everyone in the channel can see what's going wrong and try to help with it, without flooding the channel.)
[17:58] <Pasgagn> arraybolt3 https://bpa.st/7L7Q ok pour gstreamer
[18:00] <alkisg> Pasgagn: what's the output of this command? systemctl status | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:02] <Pasgagn> alkisg   https://termbin.com/bm4a
[18:03] <Pasgagn> i am dowgrading office
[18:04] <alkisg> Pasgagn: run sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:04] <alkisg> Put `autologin-user=pasgagn` or whatever you username is
[18:04] <alkisg> Then `sudo systemctl restart lightdm`
[18:04] <alkisg> This will allow you to autologin without typing anything; let's see if that gets you to a desktop
[18:04] <Pasgagn> alkisg is empty
[18:05] <alkisg> ls /home
[18:05] <alkisg> What's is your user name?
[18:05] <Pasgagn> fred
[18:06] <alkisg> sudo wget https://termbin.com/p0ym -O  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:06] <alkisg> Then: sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[18:08] <Pasgagn> i am on the desktop but i can t write something on the terminal
[18:09] <alkisg> Does the mouse work?
[18:09] <alkisg> E.g. can you open programs with the mouse?
[18:10] <Pasgagn> the mouse is ok and program also
[18:11] <alkisg> If you press ctrl+alt+f2, do you get to a terminal screen? Does the keyboard work there?
[18:12] <Pasgagn> i haven t screen window border
[18:12] <Pasgagn> no tty
[18:13] <alkisg> With ctrl+alt+f2, you got a black screen?
[18:13] <Pasgagn> alkisg nothing happen
[18:14] <alkisg> If you press caps lock, do you see the keyboard led light up?
[18:16] <Pasgagn> alkisg no led light up but i can t remember on this laptop if led exist ;)
[18:16] <tomreyn> maybe try ctrl+alt+f3 as well
[18:16] <alkisg> It's the keyboard of a laptop? Can you connect a USB keyboard and see if that one works?
[18:17] <Pasgagn> alkisg at one point I wondered if I had not made a combo to disable the keyboard but the problem seems deeper
[18:17] <alkisg> Pasgagn: a usb keyboard will tell us
[18:19] <Pasgagn> alkisg for today it will be complicated but I lean more for a problem of package it worked before
[18:20] <alkisg> Pasgagn: doesn't your windows pc have a usb keyboard? Or that's a laptop too?
[18:20] <alkisg> Pasgagn: you can also reboot and see if the keyboard works in BIOS or in grub
[18:20] <Pasgagn> alkisg laptop unfortunately
[18:21] <alkisg> OK, when you reboot see if keyboard works in BIOS or in grub
[18:22] <Pasgagn> alkisg i can write command directly on the laptop
[18:23] <alkisg> I've no idea what that means. Where can you write commands?
[18:26] <Pasgagn> alkisg now i am directly on the desktop but i can t write something on the terminal and office
[18:30] <Pasgagn> alkisg i can write when you boot on ubunturecovery and root command option
[18:38] <Pasgagn> alkisg i installed tty-clock but no tty again
[18:42] <fauxpride> Hi. I'm trying to do a 18.04 > 20.04 upgrade via do-release-upgrade. It fails because of "Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu", which I understand can be 3rd party ppas. I've tried to disable all in the entries via the GUI under Software&Updates > Other Software which didn't work.
[18:42] <fauxpride> Also tried running grep disabled /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log and using ppa-purge on everything it finds.
[18:43] <fauxpride> Turns out there were some dependencies to software I was actively using in that list so I ended up messing up my samba install and backup software in the process. Luckily I had a backup image of a previous system state so all's good now.
[18:44] <fauxpride> Still want to upgrade - any ideas?
[18:44] <fauxpride> My main.log is at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XgswRFYKFj/
[18:45] <Pasgagn> alkisg reinstall xorg?
[18:47] <alkisg> Pasgagn: no idea, I think you played with too many packages to troubleshoot things properly, I agree with the reinstallation idea :)
[18:47] <alkisg> fauxpride: use google translate on this one, it will help you revert to the stock package versions, then you can do-release-upgrade normally: https://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=7370.0
[18:50] <fauxpride> sorry, the above was the apt.log, this is the main.log https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/K37MWfMQjG/
[18:51] <fauxpride> alkisg, thanks, but the problem is that I need those packages to be there. ppa-purge did work, but it broke some programs they had dependencies on.
[18:52] <fauxpride> That post suggest just removing the sources altogether and replacing them with the stock ones, which would probably have the same effect - broken software.
[18:52] <fauxpride> *suggests.
[18:53] <brktoot> is it normal for having these temperatures?  https://ibb.co/R0xdz4H (is the screenshot clear or is it blur? )
[18:57] <fauxpride> also, running apt list --upgradable / sudo apt autoremove didn't solve it either.
[18:59] <zteam_> fauxpride, did you tried to do sudo apt install -f to fixc your broken depeendencies after you ended up with broken packages?
[18:59] <brktoot> sudo apt -f install
[18:59] <brktoot> sudo apt -y autoclean
[18:59] <brktoot>  and then update and upgrade
[18:59] <fauxpride> zteam_: didn't, going to now.
[19:00] <brktoot> fauxpride, sudo apt update && sudo apt-get upgrade --fix-missing -y
[19:01] <alkisg> fauxpride: my link won't remove your packages, it will only downgrade the customized ones to the official versions
[19:01] <alkisg> YOu need that in order to upgrade
[19:01] <zteam_> fauxpride, that will tell apt to try to fix any missing dependencies
[19:02] <fauxpride> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:02] <fauxpride> doesn't seem to have made any difference.
[19:06] <fauxpride> to make it clear, I've used ppa-purge on some of the packages listed as "Foreign" or "Disabled" in the main.log - but doing that ends up breaking software I want to keep, like Samba and Backintime (the backup client I'm using).
[19:07] <alkisg> Broken xserver-xorg-video-all:amd64 Depends on xserver-xorg-video-ati:amd64 < 1:19.1.0+git2009161930.8da3e4~oibaf~b @ii mR >
[19:07] <alkisg> You can't upgrade while having ppa packages. You didn't purge these.
[19:08] <alkisg> You don't even need to purge them, you just need to revert to the official versions
[19:10] <fauxpride> alkisg - okay, I'll follow your earlier advice.
[19:10] <fauxpride> going to make a backup of sources.list.d before.
[19:11] <fauxpride> could you tell me from the log which are the problematic PPAs I should remove?
[19:11] <alkisg> Move your sources.list.d aside
[19:11] <alkisg> They will be disabled by the upgrader anyway
[19:11] <alkisg> Later on you can re-add the PPAs you want
[19:12] <alkisg> The final step in the link is to run `apt-get dist-upgrade`. If you don't like what you see, just press no.
[19:13] <fauxpride> Does dist-upgrade ask you if you want to keep/overwrite a config the upgrade wants to make changes to?
[19:13] <fauxpride> *upgrader
[19:14] <fauxpride> Like the do-release-upgrade script does.
[19:20] <fauxpride> oh, so I have to do do-release-upgrade after running dist-upgrade
[19:20] <fauxpride> the translation is really obtuse.
[19:24] <zteam_> fauxpride, yup, do-release-upgrade have to be used after dist-upgrade
[19:25] <alkisg> fauxpride: the dist-upgrade will just restore your system to a sane state. You'll still have any external packages installed, unless they conflict with official packages
[19:25] <alkisg> When it's done, then you can run do-release-upgrade normally. And then you can re-add any PPAs you wish.
[19:28] <Some0nee> Hello everyone! I was wonderful if anyone is familiar with libwacom on earliar versions of Ubuntu vs Latest. I feel like, if I can remember correctly, I was able to see how much my stylus was charged, now on Ubuntu 22 Jammy Jellyfish, I do see that anymore. Is there a way to add that functionality or someone point me into some kind of documentation for adding battery life?
[19:29] <Some0nee> I don't ** see that anymore.
[19:32] <fauxpride> thanks zteam_, alkisg. will try that.
[19:33] <alkisg> fauxpride: one of the broken packages in your logs is from the oibaf ppa, for newer mesa versions. You need to revert these to the official versions to avoid broken dependencies, then do-release-upgrade, and then you can add the oibaf ppa again if you wish
[19:33] <alkisg> fauxpride: but do-release-upgrade isn't designed to work while the oibaf ppa is still in your sources or its packages installed with unresolved dependencies
[19:38] <fauxpride> N: Ignoring file '50priorities' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
[19:39] <fauxpride> Just doing a sanity check here - do I need to give it a .list extension for it to be picked up?
[19:39] <alkisg> fauxpride: google translate says this for me: We create a file /etc/apt/preferences.d/50priorities with the following contents:
[19:39] <fauxpride> The page didn't mention that.
[19:39] <alkisg> fauxpride: did it say a different folder for you?
[19:39] <alkisg> I.e. you put it in the wrong folder
[19:39] <fauxpride> oh, crap.
[19:40] <fauxpride> picked the wrong folder after I tabbed after touch
[19:40] <fauxpride> will try again.
[19:41] <alkisg> Make sure that you emptied your /etc/apt/sources.list.d completely; move all contents to some other backup folder
[19:42] <alkisg> Removing the sources isn't the same as "uninstalling packages". Only the packages that BREAK stuff will be uninstalled, and apt-get dist-upgrade will notify you about that
[19:47] <fauxpride> alkisg - when do I need to move the contents of sources.list.d back? after dist-upgrade runs, or after the upgrade finishes via do-release-upgrade?
[19:48] <fauxpride> need/can
[19:48] <alkisg> fauxpride: after do-release-upgrade, BUT you need to re-check each one of them. If they say "focal", you need to change that to "jammy"
[19:48] <fauxpride> bionic > focal in my case.
[19:49] <alkisg> OK, that one then
[19:56] <fauxpride> do-release-upgrade finally works now, but dist-upgrade did end up removing some stuff my backup software.
[19:56] <fauxpride> Small collateral, I can reinstall after the upgrade
[19:56] <fauxpride> so thanks, alkisg!
[19:57] <alkisg> fauxpride: remember to remove 50priorities before do-release-upgrade
[19:57] <alkisg> Cheers :)
[19:58] <fauxpride> oh man
[19:58] <fauxpride> fuck, I forgot
[19:58] <fauxpride> *sighs*
[19:58] <alkisg> You can probably remove it just now
[19:58] <fauxpride> gonna have to reach for that backup image...
[19:59] <alkisg> Even in the middle of the do-release-upgrade
[19:59] <fauxpride> ok
[20:00] <fauxpride> deleted it, hopefully it'll work
[20:01] <fauxpride> what would happen if it didn't work?
[20:03] <alkisg> I can't think of any scenario where it would hurt at this point when you removed it
[20:03] <fauxpride> fingers crossed you're right
[20:24] <arraybolt3> OK, this is a question I've had for a while. What is the right way to create a new user in Ubuntu Desktop from the command line? I know depending on the groups a user is in, they may or may not have access to sudo right, and maybe even to some of the hardware (not sure if that's an old thing or not).
[20:24] <arraybolt3> Assume Ubuntu Desktop 22.04 is the OS in question, since that's one area where this might be useful, but this might also be useful in other supported releases and flavors.
[20:29] <oerheks> hint; useradd vs. adduser
[20:31] <oerheks> useradd does not create a home folder, adduser is a perl script which uses useradd and does some groups and configs stuff
[20:33] <oerheks> useradd, userdel, groupadd and usermod vs adduser and addgroup and deluser
[20:38] <arraybolt3> oerheks: So adduser does everything except add a user to the sudo group?
[21:08] <bobdobbs> I'm on #ubuntu 22.04. Yesterday my mouse settings spontaneously turned off. My mouse started moving really slowly. I found the settings and increased mouse speed to max. This helped a lot, but my mouse speed is still slower than I need it to be.
[21:08] <bobdobbs> Is there a way to make my mouse faster?
[21:15] <rob0> Get a cat! [scnr]
[21:16] <bobdobbs> rob0: alas, tenancy rules forbid this possibility for my apartment
[21:16] <bobdobbs> :(
[21:40] <GreyMatter551> Hi
[21:40] <GreyMatter551> How can I modify the Encryption my LUKS uses? second question, which file-storage media is best for being able to erase data? HDD? I'm worried eMMC, SSD won't be truely eraseable.
[21:47] <mybalzitch> some ssds have a "secure erase" function
[21:56] <GreyMatter551> Yeah but
[21:56] <GreyMatter551> Who knows if it even works, or is sufficient
[21:56] <oerheks> secure erase does a 7 pass write, or somthing like that.
[21:57] <oerheks> one can change default crypt options, keysize, hash,.. but why would you need that? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Device_encryption#Encryption_options_for_LUKS_mode
[21:59] <GreyMatter551> How would I do that
[21:59] <GreyMatter551> For a GUI ubuntu installer
[21:59] <mybalzitch> GreyMatter551: then you should get some thermite.
[21:59] <oerheks> no, not from the gui, liee mode setup
[22:00] <GreyMatter551> how do I do that
[22:00] <GreyMatter551> CLI setup mode?
[22:00] <GreyMatter551> Can I just input my custom encryption settings and auto-install the rest
[22:02] <oerheks> maybe the wiki is a help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption
[22:02] <oerheks> also a good read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[22:06] <GreyMatter551> thanks
[23:47] <flyback> so this extended support thing
[23:47] <flyback> does that apply to the core distro itself
[23:47] <flyback> and if so does that apply to the 32 bit version of 18.04
[23:47] <VMGuy23> UbuntuPro will probably only apply to versions 22.04 and above.
[23:48] <flyback> ah :/
[23:48] <sazbos> what do you need the extended support for?
[23:48] <VMGuy23> Nothing confirmed, though
[23:48] <flyback> security updates for 32 bit machines for another few yrs
[23:48] <flyback> :P
[23:48] <sazbos> why still run an old version?
[23:48] <VMGuy23> How about use a distro that still officially supports 32-bit?
[23:49] <sazbos> you could virtualize it if you need it, and firewall it.
[23:49] <Bashing-om> VMGuy23: https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-pro-beta-release >> support from 16.04 onward :D
[23:49] <flyback> sazbos, no reason just wondering :P
[23:49] <sazbos> okay
[23:49] <sazbos> sometimes there are legit reasons for running older software
[23:49] <VMGuy23> Bashing-om: Thanks for the article, had not read up on it much but was taking a sensible guess
[23:49] <flyback> yes sazbos I work in IT, plenty of reasons to keep running old sw :P
[23:50] <flyback> 18.04 won't let you install 32 bit but you can upgrade a 32 bit 16.04 install
[23:50] <flyback> to 18.04 32 bit
[23:51] <flyback> I do have one piece of sw that migth be iffy on newer distros but it doesn't need support really or even internet access
[23:51] <flyback> still would be insteresting if I could keep it security current for the hell of it
[23:51] <flyback> but that program can run in a vm  version
[23:51] <flyback> so blah
[23:52] <sazbos> if it is an offline box, why even care if it is never connected to the net.
[23:52] <sazbos> if it is ocassionally connected, it is another matter.
[23:52] <sazbos> but you could always use the sneaker net if you need to load files onto or off it.
[23:52] <flyback> it's a data recovery program tool :)
[23:52] <sazbos> or, set up a local network that is not connected to the internet, use an intermediary host.
[23:52] <sazbos> cool
[23:52] <flyback> it just parses a data recovery program log and then tells you what files are in the unread sectors
[23:53] <flyback> :P
[23:53] <sazbos> cool.
[23:53] <flyback> shame the author quit updating it ;/
[23:55] <sazbos> that happens.
[23:55] <sazbos> well, you could use virtual box, qubes or vmware to run an older version of linux too.
[23:55] <sazbos> i recovered some windows backups with acronis software a while back
[23:56] <sazbos> had actually to install windows 7 in a virtual machine, that was a bit nostalgic, still remember when win7 was fresh off the stores, that was the times.
[23:56] <sazbos> but virtualization these days is awesome.
[23:56] <flyback> yeah I know
[23:56] <flyback> I wasn't asking for the sake of this program
[23:56] <flyback> just one of the only reasons I have to run a old distro anymore, besides a 32 bit laptop or something
[23:57] <flyback> but those run xp anyways so not needed
[23:57] <flyback> I rather run linux on them but they are for some origional factory modify and repair tools for flash media such as usb sticks
[23:58] <flyback> I have to use whatever the origional manfacturer used :P