[01:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:38] <murmel> can someone explain to me when you see the advertisements on ubuntu (for ubuntu pro)? I am all updated, but can't see it (at least what people cry about)
[08:59] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: may I pm you?
[09:05] <ogra> murmel, that feature used to be only in -proposed which nobody should enable permanently ... not sure it changed with the official announcement though, the package might have propagated to the actual archive now 
[09:06] <murmel> ogra: kk, I thought something with my install is bogus
[09:06] <ogra> i personally dont see any message either here on my 22.04 machines
[09:07] <ogra> ubuntu-advantage-tools 27.11.2~22.04.1 installed here ... 
[09:07] <murmel> ogra: interestingly enough, software-properties livepatch tab, still talks about ubuntu advantage not ubuntu pro
[09:07] <ogra> if you see someone complaining, check if they have -proposed enabled, check apt policy ubuntu-advantage-tools, the official version of the tools should still be the one i gave above
[09:08] <murmel> ogra: eh, i don't want to interact with reddit xD
[09:08] <ogra> lol
[09:08] <ogra> well, i was referring to IRC 🙂
[09:09] <murmel> thanks :) will keep this in mind if somebody comes screaming :)
[09:09]  * ogra tends to ignore reddit or twitter or whatnot 🙂 
[09:09] <murmel> eh I read a bit, but that's it (only user related subreddits)
[09:09] <murmel> linux*
[09:43] <JanC> the free 10y support for personal use has existed for a long time, so how is that news...?  :)
[09:44] <murmel> JanC: it's more about more packages getting longer support
[09:45] <murmel> for example wordpress, docker
[09:45] <murmel> and they are testing, if it's possible to support universe for 10y (at least from what I read into it)
[09:46] <ogra> JanC, it includes universe (and more) now 
[09:47] <JanC> well, most of universe is already "best effort" at best...
[09:47] <murmel> JanC: best effort mostly from the community, not canonical. that changes now
[09:49] <ogra> JanC, along with what murmel said, you can for example also have (paid) support for php 7.x and whatnot, evn though it is EOL upstream
[09:49] <ogra> *even
[09:50] <JanC> well, sure, but AFAIK support is not part of the free tier? :)
[09:50] <murmel> ogra: huh? I thought you could get that anyway as it's in main?
[09:50] <ogra> right, i meant "security support" but for EOLed stuff thats indeed all paid ... 
[09:51] <ogra> murmel, well, you dont get php 7.x on 16.04 i think ... if you want to kep your setup running as is you can do that now (and pay for it)
[09:51] <ogra> *keep
[09:52] <ogra> i.e. it isnt only universe but also out-of-archive select upstream projects 
[09:52] <murmel> ogra: sure, but why would canonical support 7.x on 16.04 if you can't get it anyway? (or am I misunderstanding you?)
[09:53] <JanC> it might be available to those who pay...
[09:53] <ogra> murmel, because someone pays for it 🙂 they want to upgrade php but keep the machines on the existing release
[09:53] <murmel> ooohhh
[09:54] <murmel> makes sense
[09:54] <murmel> at least 7.0 is on 16.04 xD
[09:55] <ogra> yeah, i made that up ... i didnt actually check the actual versions (though i know 7.4 is EOL soon)
[09:55] <ogra> point is that you can now pay for getting security support for out of archive stuff too ... beyond the universe offer 
[09:56] <murmel> I would never use that offer, but at least good to know it exists
[09:56] <ogra> well, because you are not an enterprise 🙂
[09:56] <JanC> that sort of things mostly makes sense for businesses & not home users anyway
[09:56] <ogra> yeah
[09:57] <ogra> it is just the new business plan behind it ... with the advantage for you as non-paying user to benefit from the included universe support now 
[09:58] <murmel> well, i _do_ own a business....
[09:58] <JanC> if you have ≤5 computers it's still free apparently
[09:59] <murmel> yes
[13:38] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Feel free to PM me, however I probably won't respond until later tonight.
[13:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (It's 8:38 AM where I'm at, I'll be free at around 7:00 PM.)
[14:49] <ceayo> hi
[14:54] <ceayo> hi
[20:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue756 released to the general public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue756 :D
[20:29] <daftykins> stomper2: might be worth fixing your connection / stopping reconnect attempts