[00:03] <gverrilla> Hi there! I have upgraded to ubuntu Ubuntu 22.04.1, and I have a problem with distutils now when trying to use some python libraries. I have tried apt-get install and force reinstall python3-distutils and still not working. Tried searching google but found nothing. Any ideas? Error is: "ImportError: cannot import name 'ccompiler' from 'distutils'"
[00:16] <sazbos> flyback, sorry for the late response.
[00:16] <sazbos> actually, when it comes to software, if something is offline, there is no need to upgrade it as long as it all works.
[00:17] <sazbos> i do not get why businesses upgrade just for the sake of upgrading, it is not like that improves their business a lot of the time.
[00:17] <sazbos> say a saw mill with 3 computers not connected to the internet, they could still run windows 3.11 and do fine.
[00:17] <sazbos> hehe
[00:17] <sazbos> or even dos
[00:18] <sazbos> it would be interesting to know the most obscure old setups out there still in use, i guess there is a lot of them
[01:49] <pycurious> Can anyone look at this hardware error from dmesg : https://dpaste.org/5cO2y (Any ideas why this happens and how to fix it)
[05:28] <junebug> If I upgrade to 22.04 does the linux kernel version change or am I able to keep the older linux kernels?
[05:29] <enigma9o7> It'll update.
[05:30] <enigma9o7> You may be able to mark hold it so it doesnt update tho.
[05:30] <enigma9o7> not sure
[05:30] <junebug> enigma9o7, sorry. Are you saying I will lose the old kernels?
[05:32] <junebug> enigma9o7, I'm currently stuck on kernel 5.11.0-46-generic because anything after that breaks my wifi
[05:33] <junebug> Do you think I'll lose that kernel if I upgrade to Ubuntu 22.04?
[05:33] <enigma9o7> doesnt 22.04 use 5.10 anyway?
[05:33] <junebug> No idea
[05:34] <junebug> I think they're on 5.13
[05:34] <toddc> 5.15.0-48
[05:35] <junebug> 5.15 right
[05:35] <junebug> https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle
[05:35] <junebug> toddc, do you know if I would lose my 5.11 kernel?
[05:36] <enigma9o7> maybe they've fixed your wifi by now in new ubuntu version?
[05:36] <enigma9o7> maybe it'll work, try a live boot to see
[05:37] <junebug> Yeah I'll have to give that a shot
[05:37] <junebug> Thanks
[05:37] <enigma9o7> but I dunno the actual answer, maybe you can still boot into the old kernel via grub, etc
[05:38] <enigma9o7> there's probably a way to install it
[05:38] <enigma9o7> if its completely removed
[05:41] <toddc> junebug: I tend to always do a clean install but would assume that a old kernel would cause issues in other places on 22.04
[05:41] <yezariaely> I have a laptop connected to a USB-C docking station having one monitor attached. I use a laptop monitor + external monitor setting. Now, if I am leaving the desk, both monitors go to sleep. I get back, move the mouse, only the laptop internal monitor awakes. Any idea what I can do to also awake (a commandline would also be ok) the external monitor?
[05:41] <yezariaely> The old unplug, replug the USB-C docking station works.
[05:42] <junebug> thanks toddc and enigma9o7
[05:43] <sazbos> if taking the cable in and out works, that is ok? and what about increasing the sleep counter?
[05:50] <yezariaely> sazbos, well it is annoying. increasing the sleep counter wouldn't help, since I look my screen when leaving the desk.
[05:51] <yezariaely> There must be some USB powersafe option or so I could fiddle with
[05:51] <sazbos> could you just have the screensaver active, and the screen not to black out?
[05:52] <sazbos> i am not sure what causes the need to have to reinsert the hdmi cable, could it be solved in sw, dunno
[05:54] <alkisg> yezariaely: what's the output of `ps faux|grep screensaver` ?
[05:55] <yezariaely> alkisg, nothing is running.
[05:55] <alkisg> yezariaely: which desktop environment is that?
[05:55] <yezariaely> awesome wm
[05:56] <alkisg> Ah no idea, I was going to suggest something like mate-screensaver-command --poke in a loop
[05:56] <yezariaely> looked to me that the desktop env does not play a role and the problem is deeper.
[05:56] <matsaman> yezariaely: or xrandr can add/remove monitors, simulating re-insertion
[05:57] <matsaman> fairly common issue with HDMI
[05:57] <yezariaely> matsaman, ah that might be a solution! I will give that a try.
[05:57] <alkisg> As long as it doesn't happen when you're working, you can simulate you're working and call it a day :)
[05:57] <matsaman> had to do that with a laptop hooked up to a TV once
[05:57] <matsaman> don't remember the exact xrandr params, but you'll be able to find'm quick
[05:57] <yezariaely> alkisg, :D
[05:57] <yezariaely> matsaman, yeah I should be able to figure this out.
[05:58] <matsaman> yezariaely: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xrandr#Toggle_external_monitor
[05:59] <matsaman> the intern/LVDS1 & extern/VGA1 values may vary on your system
[05:59] <matsaman> just 'xrandr' should show the names
[07:55] <hermano> What is the most "straightforward" way to get a graphical web browser from a remote machine?
[08:06] <alkisg>   hermano are you interested in forwarding the traffic (as in a proxy) which has the best performance, or in forwarding the screen?
[08:07] <alkisg> In the first case, you run your local browser, but it uses the remote connection and IP
[09:35] <pickanick> which command line tools are great for converting .WAV to FLAC or OGG?
[09:38] <ogra> pickanick, ffmpeg should be able to convert pretty much any media format to any other media format (movies, audio files, etc)
[09:39] <arkanoid> I keep receiving "perl: warning: Setting locale failed."
[09:39] <arkanoid> locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8" && dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't fix
[09:40] <arkanoid> here the output of $ locale: https://termbin.com/ce1y
[09:41] <arkanoid> should I set it in my local shell environment instead?
[09:43] <murmel> arkanoid: where do you get that error?
[09:44] <arkanoid> murmel: in a lot of places, I thin it happens when perl is called
[09:44] <arkanoid> so in many OS scripts
[09:44] <arkanoid> it happens a lot when doing apt stuff
[09:45] <murmel> any weird packages installed (outside of the official repos?)
[09:53] <arkanoid> murmel: no
[09:54] <arkanoid> I had it before upgrading to 22.04, I have it now that I've just upgraded to 22.04
[09:54] <arkanoid> (22.04.1)
[10:48] <pickanick> arkanoid: If you look under system settings : RegionalSettings : Formats , what is your Region Format called?
[10:54] <pickanick> I found that "Default.UTF-8"  sounded good, except it appears to be unsupported and error messages are triggered by certain commands.  Somehow the GUI settings are not affected by the command line changes, and override them for some applications.  (this was KDE 22.04)
[11:33] <dsd079> Hi installed xubuntu alongside windows and after rebooting i got error: no such partition
[11:33] <dsd079> And got into grub rescue
[11:33] <EriC^^> dsd079: can you boot a live usb to troubleshoot?
[11:33] <dsd079> Yes
[11:33] <EriC^^> type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here
[11:34] <dsd079> Oh ok one sec
[11:40] <winircuser-263> Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Desktop scripts in /usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep/ fail to execute upon sleep/resume
[11:42] <winircuser-263> This behaviour worked fine in 20.04
[11:43] <dsd079a> Eric^^ https://termbin.com/cvzuy
[11:43] <dsd079a>  here it is
[11:45] <EriC^^> dsd079a: windows is installed in legacy booting mode, but ubuntu was installed in efi mode, you have to reinstall ubuntu in legacy mode, or convert it if you want, i can help with that
[11:45] <dsd079> Oh thx
[11:45] <dsd079> One sec thought because the live usb just crashed
[11:45] <dsd079> Seems weird
[11:47] <dsd079> Probably because of my Nvidia graphics its an old one and have run into the same problem with it in many distros
[11:48] <ogra> winircuser-263, according to https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-suspend.service.html ... "Note that scripts or binaries dropped in /usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep/ are intended for local use only and should be considered hacks. If applications want to react to system suspend/hibernation and resume, they should rather use the Inhibitor interface."
[11:48] <ogra> winircuser-263, my guess would be that they changed the defaults upstream and you probably have to explicitly enable that feature if you do not use the new dbus interface instead
[11:49] <EriC^^> dsd079: if you open a terminal and run 'sudo dmesg -w' it might show why it's crashing
[11:50] <EriC^^> if it logs anything before it crashes
[11:50] <dsd079> It just crashed and i rebooted
[11:51] <dsd079> Im back on it
[11:51] <EriC^^> ok, so do you want to convert or just reinstall ubuntu in legacy mode?
[11:51] <winircuser-263> OK I guess I need to read up on the Inhibitor interface - any pointers where to find that info?
[11:52] <ogra> it is linked from that exact sentence in the url i pasted
[11:53] <EriC^^> dsd079: ok, so do you want to convert or just reinstall ubuntu in legacy mode?
[11:53] <winircuser-263> Ignore that, found info on the link you provided - Thanks!
[11:53] <ogra> 🙂
[11:53] <dsd079a> Eric^^ i guess just convert unless i created the partitions a little weird
[11:54] <EriC^^> dsd079a: ok, type 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'
[11:54] <dsd079a> done
[11:56] <EriC^^> dsd079a: for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done
[11:57] <dsd079a> so i just navigate to /dev/proc/sys/run and do sudo munt -R $i /mnt$i right?
[11:57] <EriC^^> no, type the whole line above
[11:58] <dsd079a> ok done i got nothing from the terminal
[11:58] <EriC^^> ok, type 'sudo chroot /mnt'
[11:58] <dsd079a> ok
[11:59] <EriC^^> type 'nano /etc/fstab' find the line that has "UUID=...blabla...... /boot/efi" and add a "#" at the beginning of the line, ie #UUID=...blabla
[12:00] <dsd079a> ok i added the "#" in front of the UUID  that i see theres is also another one below
[12:01] <EriC^^> dsd079a: press ctrl+o  save then ctrl+x to exit
[12:01] <dsd079a> done
[12:02] <EriC^^> dsd079a: type 'cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999' paste the link here
[12:03] <dsd079a> https://termbin.com/6xhl
[12:05] <EriC^^> dsd079a: type nano /etc/fstab again, you added the # at the first UUID (which is for the root filesystem "/") you need to remove it and add one on the bottom one that has /boot/efi in it
[12:06] <dsd079a> done do you want me to send you the link again?
[12:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:07] <dsd079a> https://termbin.com/qw7q
[12:07] <EriC^^> looks good
[12:09] <dsd079a> is it done? is it ok now?
[12:09] <EriC^^> dsd079a: type 'apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc grub-gfxpayload-lists'
[12:11] <dsd079a> EriC^^ also done
[12:13] <pycurious> Can anyone look at this hardware error from dmesg : https://dpaste.org/5cO2y (Any ideas why this happens and how to fix it)
[12:14] <EriC^^> dsd079a: ok, type 'update-grub'
[12:14] <EriC^^> then type 'exit' to exit the chroot and try rebooting
[12:14] <ogra> pycurious, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-check_exception
[12:14] <dsd079a> ok lets see then
[12:15] <ogra> not much that can be done here with software ...
[12:15] <ogra> " The error usually occurs due to component failure or the overheating or overclocking of hardware components."
[12:16] <ogra> check your fans ... drop overclocking settings from your BIOS etc
[12:16] <ogra> (ad check your RAM too)
[12:16] <pycurious> ogra: It's running a dual gpu setup. Perhaps that is causing the temperatures to rise beyond what it should be?
[12:16] <ogra> *and
[12:17] <ogra> pycurious, well, did you work on these hardware changes recently ? perhaps a card is not properly sitting in the socket, perhaps a fn cable is loose etc etc
[12:18] <dsd079> Eric^^ sadly its still the same thing
[12:18] <EriC^^> dsd079: ok no worries, are you sure legacy mode is enabled in the bios and uefi disabled?
[12:18] <pycurious> ogra: it is a machine I built 4 weeks ago - I just noticed this error. I do have a replacement RAM that I can try
[12:18] <dsd079> Let me check
[12:19] <EriC^^> dsd079: it's probably called "csm legacy"
[12:20] <dsd079> Hmm not sure about it cant seem to find anthing with it. I can provide a photo if you want od the bios menu
[12:21] <dsd079> In the boot category i can only change the boot order from the devices
[12:21] <EriC^^> aha, that's good enough
[12:21] <EriC^^> ok, when you get the grub rescue> try typing "ls" there
[12:21] <pycurious> ogra: https://dpaste.org/3MZD0 - current temps - do you see anything off?
[12:22] <dsd079> Ok i see hd0,hdmsdos6…5…2…and 1
[12:25] <ogra> pycurious, well, temps in the seventies seem pretty high for an idling system
[12:26] <pycurious> ogra: that system has a 100% dual gpu cooking going on.
[12:27] <EriC^^> dsd079: ok type "ls (hd0,msdos6)/"
[12:27] <EriC^^> do you see the linux files /boot /home etc
[12:28] <dsd079> Yeah i see a lot of things like boot,etc,media
[12:28] <pycurious> ogra: the GPUs are running 83C and 87C currently with almost 100% usage for multiple hours
[12:33] <EriC^^> dsd079: type 'set root=(hd0,msdos6)'
[12:34] <EriC^^> dsd079: then type     set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
[12:35] <EriC^^> then try 'insmod normal'
[12:36] <dsd079> I typed the set prefix and gor nothing back in insmod normal i got a "error no such partition"
[12:38] <pickanick> rob0, do you have time to look at wifi matters again?
[12:39] <dsd079> Eric^^ does it seems easy to fix it or it would be better to just reinstall xubuntu ?
[12:40] <EriC^^> dsd079: 1sec, *googles*
[12:40] <EriC^^> i think something weird is going on and not sure that a reinstall would cut it
[12:41] <dsd079> Hmm that does not sound any good
[12:42] <dsd079> Did the problem happened because my pc is old ?
[12:42] <dsd079> 10-15 years for sure
[12:43] <EriC^^> nah you're using legacy booting it should be fine
[12:44] <EriC^^> dsd079: try to reinstall ubuntu, this time when the live usb boots up, type 'ls /sys/firmware/efi' it should show no files (which means youve booted into legacy mode) then continue the installation, if it shows files then you have to reboot the live usb in legacy mode by using the boot options menu of the pc and choosing the entry that doesnt have uefi in it
[12:44] <EriC^^> dsd079: also when you reinstall, dont choose 'reinstall ubuntu' in the installer or itll overwrite windows
[12:45] <EriC^^> instead manually delete the ubuntu partitions, then choose 'install alongside windows'
[12:45] <dsd079> Ok let me check
[12:45] <EriC^^> easy way to know if you booted the live usb in legacy mode is if you get a nice menu in the middle, if you get a black/white grub menu then it's booted in uefi mode
[12:46] <pickanick> *many* (repeating every 10-150 sec)  dmesg messages like iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x0.  Preceded by "Queue 11 is active on fifo 1 and stuck for 10000 ms. SW [144, 161] HW [144, 161] FH TRB=0x0c010b09f" and followed by two "IWL Error Log Dump:" and "IML/ROM dump:" and "Fseq Registers:" ....
[12:46] <dsd079> Thx a lot by the way for the help!
[12:48] <Guest3630> can anyone see my message?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Guest3630, yes
[12:49] <Guest3630> thank god
[12:50] <respawn> Guest3630: this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here
[12:50] <respawn> Guest3630:for non help general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic right click join
[12:51] <SmellyCat> I started mysql-server with "bind 1.2.3.4" while it should also listen on 5.6.7.8 (or all interfaces as in 0.0.0.0). Is it possible to (temporarily) port-forward packets coming in from 5.6.7.8:3306 to 1.2.3.4:3306 so I don't have to restart the mysql-server during the day?
[12:52] <Guest3630> I hope some1 can help me out here. I'm trying to install kubuntu(yeah, the K)... tried like a thousand ways(with rufus/USBimager), can't boot this thing on my xps 13... meanwhile, I just tried to make an ubuntu bootable stick and it worked just fine. Tried to ask  the same question half an hour ago in the kubuntu channel here, but no1 is alive in
[12:52] <Guest3630> there...
[12:53] <respawn> Guest3630:do you get any errors when you try to boot kubuntu
[12:53] <dsd079> EriC^^ hey so in the sys/firmware i see only acpi,dmi and memmap no efi thing
[12:53] <SmellyCat> Guest3630: While it should be possible to install a clean Kubuntu, it's also possible to install kubuntu-desktop in the regular Ubuntu. This might be a quick solution
[12:54] <SmellyCat> Guest3630: As in installing the "kubuntu-desktop" package, that is
[12:55] <dsd079> EriC^^ is it ok then that i see no efi in firmware should i continue with the install?
[12:55] <Guest3630> respawn: not at all, I just can't even boot it... I get "press f1 key to retry boot, press f2 key to reboot into setup..."... Maybe I should create a boot myself in the bios and point on something?
[12:56] <EriC^^> dsd079: yeah
[12:56] <respawn> yeah and try disabling safeboot in uefi bios
[12:56] <EriC^^> dsd079: you're welcome
[12:57] <Guest3630> SmellyCat: Yeah, thanks. I actually googled that, but thought the kubuntu would be prefered option. btw: if I'll go with the ubuntu it self, would I be able to disable to pick the option on the start where I'll need to choose the gnome/kde?
[12:57] <Guest3630> respawn: u mean secure boot? it's disabled
[12:59] <SmellyCat> Guest3630: I don't believe you get to choose between gnome and anything else with the regular Ubuntu installer.
[13:00] <dsd079> EriC^^ and one more thing( hope i do not bother with so many questions) in the install i will just delete the xubuntu partition and the efi one and then create again 2 partitions one for / and another one partition for the efi correct?
[13:01] <Guest3630> SmellyCat: oh, wait a sec... I thought you were talking about installing KDE on ubuntu. what's the "kubuntu-desktop" thing?
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> Guest3630: wich kubuntu version is that you cant boot?
[13:01] <EriC^^> dsd079: yes delete both partitions, but only create 1 "/" , no need to efi partition since you're using legacy
[13:01] <Guest3630> lotuspsychje: oh, I forgot to mention it... 22.04.1
[13:01] <Guest3630> lotuspsychje: Kubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[13:02] <SmellyCat> Guest3630: I was talking about install KDE/Kubuntu on Ubuntu, but that's after you've installed Gnome. You end up with an installation with both Gnome and KDE then. You probably could de-install gnome, if you wanted.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> Guest3630: weird, i dont think there are bugs around that
[13:03] <ogra> and the isos/imgs are all built the same way for all flvours, so kubuntu should boot the same way as ubuntu does
[13:03] <dsd079> EriC^^ ok i will do that but if i remember it would not let me go further with the install if i did not have also an efi one. Might be mistaken but will see
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah, my thought too ogra
[13:03] <Guest3630> SmellyCat: got it
[13:03] <Guest3630> lotuspsychje: I feel lucky then
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> Guest3630: maybe try an unofficial 'ventoy' to burn your kubuntu to stick, see if you can boot from there
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> Guest3630: and if several usb burning methods arent working, perhaps it might be your machine's settings/bios/uefi?
[13:05] <pickanick> Example of the wifi crash dumps in dmesg are in https://termbin.com/ky06
[13:06] <Guest3630> lotuspsychje: but how can it be my machine if I can do the same with ubuntu/manjaro/windows? doesn't seem logical.
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah that would be weird indeed
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest3630: im checking the jammy kubuntu releasenotes, bug dont think something about your issue; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> Guest3630: you recall where you grabbed the jammy kubuntu iso from?
[13:11] <Guest3630> lotuspsychje: what do you mean, I've d/l it from the off website: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[13:24] <rob0> pickanick: sorry, swamped today. But others in channel are more likely to have Ubuntu-specific help for you. I've only used Ubuntu in virtual environments, never on real hardware.
[13:25] <rob0> My network hardware experience has been in other distributions.
[13:26] <rob0> Interestingly, though: in the vast majority of cases, everything Just Works, with little effort from the user.
[13:26] <pickanick> It used to just work, until the motherboard replacement. X-(
[13:28] <pickanick> And I have not been able to get through Dell support to someone who can read dmesg logs.
[13:28] <pickanick> Dell: "Take a screenshot of the error message (in Windows)"
[13:29] <pickanick> rob0: thanks for replying, maybe someone else can help, and/or I may try another time. Best regards!
[13:30] <rob0> yeah, Dell won't support you :(
[13:31] <rob0> so you transferred a hard drive with Ubuntu to a new machine/motherboard?
[13:32] <rob0> just for fun, did you try booting a live USB stick (any distro, or Ubuntu ideally)
[13:32] <rob0> My suspicion there is that everything will Just Work.
[13:33] <pickanick> I tried the 22.04 install USB and received the same errors.
[13:34] <pickanick> The machine was sold as "linux compatible" with an older version of Ubuntu.
[13:35] <sazbos> you could try fedora and linux mint
[13:37] <pickanick> which is more likely to be up to date? I'm guessing fedora, but I do not know linux mint.
[13:37] <rob0> Can Dell tell you what Linux distro was tested, to earn the "compatible" label? (Maybe they documented that?)
[13:37] <pickanick> I think it was 18.04
[13:45] <pickanick> I suppose I could try that too.
[13:52] <secure_> can i ask about lubuntu here ?
[13:54] <SteelRose> secure_: ask away ... :-)
[13:54] <secure_> i just install lubuntu. my terminal always dissapear.
[13:55] <samy1028> secure_, how do you mean your terminal always disappears?
[13:56] <secure_> when i type terminal.. then the menu show me QTerminal. i click on it... open then close... in just 1/2 s ( i dont count in real time actually :D )
[13:56] <nteodosio> secure_: Have you added something to your .bashrc?
[13:57] <secure_> fresh install
[13:58] <nteodosio> secure_: Switch to another VT (Ctrl+Alt+F3), log in, install xterm or whatever other terminal emulator, go back to your GUI, launch it.
[14:00] <secure_> now it working :( after ctrl alt F3 and back to desktop again
[14:00] <secure_> maybe first time install
[14:00] <nteodosio> I guess s/:(/:)/ ?
[14:01] <secure_> thank you
[14:01] <nteodosio> Glad to help
[14:16] <ogra> nteodosio, hmm dont you need to escape all these colons and parentheses (though that will indeed mess up the smileys) 🙂
[14:18] <nteodosio> ogra: Haha no, basic regular expression there: sed 's/:(/:)/' <<< ':('
[14:18] <ogra> hah kay
[15:27] <wad> I'm currently running ubuntu on a PC laptop. It boots to an external 1TB SSD, with LUKS encryption. How hard do you guys think it would be to run it under Windows 11, via VirtualBox, by mounting this same external SSD?
[15:28] <wad> Actually... there is 100GB of regular filesystem with the Ubuntu OS on it, and the rest is my home directory, LUKS encrypted.
[15:35] <pickanick> re wifi firmware:  if I rename iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-46.ucode will the existing iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-43.ucode be used instead? Or do I need to find an older version of the exact same filename? Are the last two characters of the filename the major version numbers ?
[16:01] <alkisg> wad: the slow way would be to use usb passthrough, the quick way would be to pass a raw disk: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#rawdisk
[16:01] <alkisg> wad: that's all there is to it, linux doesn't care about hardware changes
[16:12] <SteelRose> wad: why don't you run Linux as the main OS and Win11 as a VM? VirtualBox is nice but slow as hell when compared to, say, KVM or qemu...
[16:19]  * wad sees answers, reads!
[16:21] <wad> Yeah, I _want_ to just run Ubuntu as the main OS. Sadly, there is a compliance issue with my employer, and my device is required to be "managed", which just means that the IT department can screw around with it without me having a say. -_-
[16:22] <wad> Looking at options currently. Going to look into that rawdisk option, thanks, alkisg!
[16:22] <alkisg> 👍️
[16:23] <wad> So they want to install a bunch of garbage on my Windows machine, but I'll ignore it, and just do my work in a Linux VM instead. Sacrifice 1/4 of my RAM, and 1/4 of my cores, but nobody cares about productivity anyway...
[16:34] <sazbos> wad, managed device. uh oh
[16:34] <sazbos> you are an adult..
[16:46] <wad> Some jobs have extra "compliance" requirements, due to their nature. :( So annoying.
[16:47] <wad> I wish there were a compliance-friendly version of Ubuntu available.
[16:47] <wad> It needs to come with a built-in unremovable rootkit, giving remote control to whoever has the extra super-root credentials.
[17:14] <Pagan> hi
[17:16] <ogra> wad, have you considered using WSL (or WSL2) instead ?
[17:17] <wad> I did, actually.
[17:17] <wad> The thing is, I really don't like using Windows at all. It's a toy.
[17:18] <wad> Once a power user gets familiar with Linux, trying to do anything in windows is like.... just smashing your head on the wall.
[17:18] <Pagan> arraybolt3 reinstall ubuntu 20.04 and Nvidia-340  with ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa error install vs kerbelen ppa
[17:19] <Pagan> it done i am on ubuntu
[17:20] <Pagan> arraybolt3 if u want we can install together
[17:22] <sazbos> was, exactly
[17:25] <morgan-hp> OK morgana has a new wist ie problem. Get simpler, still a wall. OK using an HP laptop with 22.04 I try to write on it (using the gui) and it doesnt work. I dont understand this, the df -h   https://pastebin.com/9uLRx68J
[17:26] <morgan-hp> Oops s/wist ie/ /
[17:27] <morgan-hp> I have a flash drive and cnt write on it. It looks fine to me.
[17:27] <morgan-hp> I tried every flash drive I have.
[17:30] <jhutchins> It's probably owned by root and read-only by users.
[17:30] <cryptz> hello, i am testing out ubuntu pro. My system just did a kernel upgrade from 5.15.0-48 to 5.15.0-50. A reboot was not flagged as required. trying to figure out what the expected behavior is or if its tweakable. I manage the systems with ansible, if a reboot is required I have it run the reboot. In this case it looked like pre pro behavior. The
[17:30] <cryptz> /lob/modules folder was created for 5.15.0-50, but uname -r was still 5.15.0-48 until a reboot. The issue being without the reboot required flag being set ansible did not act to reboot
[17:31] <jhutchins> morgan-hp: It might help if you were to specify what release you're on and what desktop & file manager you're using.
[17:32] <jhutchins> cryptz: What does the kernel changelog say the operational differences were?
[17:34] <jhutchins> morgan-hp: Short answer is it's supposed to work like that.
[17:34] <jhutchins> morgan-hp: Long answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/251206/mount-usb-drive-with-write-permissions-for-everyone-or-specific-user
[17:35] <cryptz> jhutchins, if im interpretting it correctly, the change log may have only been for CVE-2022-3176
[17:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu- There exists a use-after-free in io_uring in the Linux kernel. Signalfd_poll() and binder_poll() use a waitqueue whose lifetime is the current task. It will send a POLLFREE notification to all waiters before the queue is freed. Unfortunately, the io_uring poll doesn't handle POLLFREE. This allows a use-after-free to occur if a signalfd or binder fd is polled with io_uring poll,... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2022-3176>
[17:36] <cryptz> and two issues with ip/nexthop
[17:37] <jhutchins> cryptz: Are you likely to encounter those in normal use?
[17:37] <cryptz> no but im not looking to debate if I should have installed the update or not
[17:37] <cryptz> just trying to understand how livepatch matches up with the reported kernel version and the kernel packages installed
[17:37] <jhutchins> cryptz: No, just trying to figure out if a reboot is required.  Doesn't really look like it.
[17:38] <cryptz> its possible livepatch applied the cve update, using the newer linux package, but still reports the old kernel version?
[17:38] <jhutchins> !livepatch
[17:38] <cryptz> my main concern is the descrepency of the reported kernel version, and the existing of newer kernel version lib files, and then seeing a newer kernel version reported after a reboot, yet the system not reporting a reboot is required. to me that's a bit unmanageable
[17:38] <jhutchins> cryptz: Pretty sure livepatch has to be installed/enabled by the user.
[17:39] <cryptz> it is, im testing pro and lviepatch for the first time on this system
[17:39] <cryptz> so i understand its likely the cause of all of this
[17:39] <cryptz> but it still seems like from a practical sense, there are changes pending a reboot
[17:39] <cryptz> and its just a bit annoying to manage with ansible =)
[17:39] <cryptz> i might just back it out and disable it
[17:39] <cryptz> id prefer to reboot if theres something pending I guess..
[17:41] <cryptz> i might be missing somethign obvious, but from my perspective if livepatch can apply a security update without a reboot great, but if there are changes that will occur on the next reboot the system should still flag a reboot as required
[17:41] <Aavar> Hi. I have a server where Apparmor failes to start. How can I find out why and fix it?
[17:41] <ogra> cryptz, livepatch patches your binary kernel at runtime, i'D assume you had at least the CVE fix arriving via livepatch already so you'd be running a safe kernel and in that case a reboot is not actually required (i'D still do one though, just to make sure)
[17:42] <ogra> Aavar, apparmor is a kernel feature so if the userspace bits can not start it is likely you are not running a proper ubuntu kernel
[17:42] <cryptz> yea i wonder if there is some config option to flag a reboot as required when lviepatch acts in this manner, allowing us to of course delay the reboot. at the moment I have ansible scrips that would reboot these hosts when ran and remove older kernel versions as well. they arent acting due to the lack of a flag
[17:42] <ogra> Aavar, check with "uname -a" what your server is runnng
[17:43] <ogra> cryptz, well, how would livepatch know when the kernel deb comes in ?
[17:43] <Aavar> ogra: Linux aa-srv3 5.4.0-126-generic #142-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 26 12:12:57 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:44] <Pagan> has anyone managed an nvidia 340 installer on ubuntu 20.04?
[17:44] <ogra> cryptz, matching your ansible scripts to notify a reboot every time you see linux-image come in should be safe, livepatch itself is not helpful here since it does not need a reboot at all
[17:44] <ogra> Aavar, hmm, that looks like a correct ubuntu kernel
[17:45] <ogra> Aavar, have you checked your journal for any reasons why apparmor can not start ?
[17:46] <Aavar> ogra: no, that is a good idea ;)
[17:48] <Aavar> ogra: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vv3Cp8VK2j/ What is "capability bpf,"? Can I comment that line?
[17:50] <morgan-hp> jhutchins, thank you will go to the link. (I am using 22.04 with the vanilla DE, I think it is called gnome (but not gnome-classic)) -- I went to the link and it is above my level. I need something more basic to  understand what all the entries on the df -h mean) -- So hold my question while I search to try to learn what I need and I will ask again.  TY again.
[17:51] <morgan-hp> I will say hexchat on this laptop is much better than my desktop. I installed it through snap.
[17:51] <cryptz> ogra, i guess a better description of the problem was livepatch doing what it needed to do, followed later by me doing a apt-get dist-upgrade resulted in the system not prompting for a reboot, but after a successful reboot the kernel version being incremented
[17:51] <ogra> Aavar, grep bpf /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/caps/mask
[17:51] <cryptz> im going to disable livepatch for now
[17:52] <ogra> does that return anything ?
[17:52] <cryptz> that scenario is more of a problem for us then the benefits of livepatch
[17:52] <Aavar> ogra: Nothing in return
[17:53] <ogra> cryptz, well, i'd still check if your assumption is true then and try to go back to the "before livepatch" state if you can, just to make sure the suppression of the reboot-required requests actually comes from livepatch 🙂
[17:54] <ogra> Aavar, well, ten your kernel does not have bpf capabilities and the error is correct ... where does that libvirtd come from ? the ubuntu archive or some PPA
[17:55] <ogra> s/ten/then/
[17:55] <Aavar> ogra: I don't know... Its an old server... how can I find out?
[17:57] <ogra> Aavar, apt policy libvirt-daemon-system .... that should show where it comes from (and should typically only return *.archive.ubuntu.com addresses if no PPA or third party archive is involved)
[18:39] <Aavar> ogra: I think it came from quickemu ppa
[18:42] <ogra> Aavar, aha ... well, it seems they blindly backported a version (obviously without testing) that can not run on your ubuntu release ...
[18:43] <Aavar> ogra: I dont use quickemu on this machine anymore, so I will revert to the official version :)
[18:44] <ogra> you could try to hack the apparmor profile it complains about and simply drop bpf (it is just a text file) ... but i'D suggest to switch to the archive version instead
[18:44] <ogra> hah
[18:44] <ogra> you were faster (i was typing 😛 )
[18:44] <Aavar> ogra: what is bpf anyway?
[18:44] <Aavar> :)
[18:45] <ogra> Aavar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Packet_Filter
[18:45] <Aavar> ogra: seems like a good thing to keep enabled.
[18:46] <ogra> (it allows apparmor to secure your network traffic)
[20:33] <ash_worksi> on VERSION="22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)", I switched back to my terminal and its "fullscreen" but part of it is behind the side dock
[20:33] <ash_worksi> I can fix it by minimizing and re-maximizing
[20:33] <ash_worksi> I am not sure when this occurs; I just left and came back after awhile
[20:33] <Square> Snap is showing pop ups (desktop notifications type) of pending updates in X days. Can I turn off those?
[20:56] <ogra> Square, you can turn it off, but that means your browser will update quietly while it is running and you will lose your session history from the point of the update to the point where you restart the browser
[20:56] <ogra> Square, if you still want that anyway https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-disable-snapd-update-notifications-permanently/31117/2
[20:57] <Square> ogra, oh ok. So it only says that for browsers?
[20:57] <ogra> no, it says that for all desktop app snaps currently
[20:57] <Square> ok, gotcha
[20:57] <ogra> but it is actively being worked on to improve it
[20:58] <ogra> (the UX is awful and everyone knows ... 🙂 )
[20:58] <Square> ogra, but basically, you just need to shut down the app and restart it?
[20:58] <Square> or shut down and actively update it?
[20:58] <ogra> the latter (i said the UX is awful 🙂 )
[20:59] <Square> NP, can't complain about a free lunch right.
[20:59] <ogra> this is all being fixed ... and since snaps are rolling release apps you'll get the fix as soon as it is ready
[21:00] <ogra> (i.e. nothing is bound to a release version and snapd (the tool managing snaps) is a snap itself so fixes roll in all the time)
[21:01] <Square> ...updating firefox
[21:01] <ogra> 👍
[21:01] <wez> 👍
[21:02] <ogra> (lots of hitchhikers here today 😄 )
[21:11] <ash_worksi> anyone else experiencing my issue on 22?
[21:14] <Habbie> ash_worksi, i did not read back to see what your issue was, but please be clear about 22.04 or 22.10 :)
[21:14] <Habbie> oh, the terminal behind the side dock
[21:14] <Habbie> i have a 22.04 that does that when i unlock it, but it fixes itself after a few seconds
[21:16] <ash_worksi> hmm
[21:16] <ash_worksi> I don't know what the source could be since it was me incidentally switching back
[21:17] <ash_worksi> I can't reproduce it just by locking
[21:18] <ash_worksi> w/e
[21:37] <Clammy> hello
[21:55] <dkee> is there a talk to text ap for me available?
[22:18] <Batzy> anyone know why the zoom client is locking up my system? it's using like 60% cpu
[22:19] <morgan-hp> I have a torrent link (from internet archive, no piracy here) I have 2204-gnome, I have transmission. I dont know how to download the torrent from the internet archive page. I dont know how to put the "torrent link" into transmission. Since this all comes with 22.04 please help me in this channel. This is what the link looks like:   torrent:urn:sha1:318608cba588c638d36b505cd3f1ff607bde79fe
[22:20] <morgan-hp> Batzy dont feel like the lone ranger. (I upgraded xoom and then removed it and tried to insatallit with anap -- oops too many things and it broke my ubuntu.
[22:20] <morgan-hp> )
[22:20] <ogra> Batzy, did you enable any fancy feaures ? zoom has some video manipulation options that can heavily hammer your system
[22:21] <morgan-hp> ogra can you even do those in ubuntu?
[22:21] <Batzy> er no i havent. i also wasnt using video
[22:21] <Batzy> i mean the laptop can run games better than zoom
[22:21] <Batzy> also when i was arch based i do not think it lagged
[22:22] <ogra> heh, well, it is proprietary software ... (though gmost games are too, that's probably not an argument)
[22:22] <Batzy> same hardware, but i might not be remembering
[22:22] <ogra> have you tried switching to Xorg for a test ?
[22:22] <Batzy> i can try the snap version i guess?
[22:22] <Batzy> whats the xorg version?
[22:23] <Batzy> rather where do i find it
[22:23] <ogra> if you log out and click your name on the login screen, there should be a little gear that lest you select the Xorg session
[22:23] <ogra> *lets
[22:31] <sid_> ig
[23:41] <noarb> I'm trying to build a deb from source using sbuild and I'm getting this error: https://bpa.st/WY3Q 'sbuild-build-depends-main-dummy : Depends: dh-python but it is not installable'. Any ideas of how to dig into this? Those logs are already verbose