=== g4mbit is now known as Guest8696 === blackro0t is now known as blackroot === smoser1 is now known as smoser [15:48] hi, so, right now i'm installing my web-server so, should i install minimized version? [15:48] from ubuntu-server iso [15:59] dobbicorp: this choice is entirely up to you. [16:01] adding stuff is usually easier than removing though ... [17:04] also just note that ceph is not on the table given our organizations previous experiences. [17:07] feurig: Wrong channel? [17:07] Or maybe some stuff didn't come through to Matrix... [17:51] yep. [17:53] This was open when I logged in. It took so long to log in that I was trying to reset the login screen. [17:53] sorry. === HP-UX is now known as Linux [18:06] hey does 22.04 LTS automatically reboot to upadte kernel packages by default? [18:11] no [18:11] then why did mine? [18:12] i didnt change that setting, if it even exists [18:15] it does exist in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ... but is off by default === Linux is now known as HP-UX === HP-UX is now known as SysV [18:50] hmmmm [18:51] do the lines with the distro id and codename as allowed origins for unattended upgrades mean that it will automatically upgrade distro packages like the kernel packages? [18:51] idk just tell me what that means [18:51] kernel packages are not upgrades [18:51] they are new versions [18:54] so then what would be the setting to upgrade those automatically? === SysV is now known as QNX [19:00] Liver_K: by default, it'll automatically upgrade packages only if they're published in the security pocket. That generally happens if there's a security issue that would be fixed by the update, but there are exceptions. [19:00] In general this means that most users won't automatically get non-security-related updates. [19:00] However kernels are an exception. Kernel updates run on a three week cadence and at leaset historically nearly always contained security related fixes, so they get published to the security pocket regardless. [19:01] what? your message showed up weird, i saw it from "the security pocket" til the end and i didnt see who its from [19:01] Liver_K: by default, it'll automatically upgrade packages only if they're published in the security pocket. That generally happens if there's a security issue that would be fixed by the update, but there are exceptions. [19:01] In general this means that most users won't automatically get non-security-related updates. [19:01] However kernels are an exception. Kernel updates run on a three week cadence and at leaset historically nearly always contained security related fixes, so they get published to the security pocket regardless. [19:01] Better? [19:01] ah yes i see it now [19:02] (I just sent the same messages again) [19:02] yup [19:03] so that means kernel upgrades will be applied automatically? [19:03] (confirmation of what i think i understand) [19:05] I believe so, yes. But you do need to reboot for that to take effect (or subscribe to Ubuntu Pro to get livepatch) [19:06] will the system will be rebooted automatically one kernel upgrades are applied automatically? [19:06] So without livepatch, relying on unattended-upgrades to upgrade your kernels doesn't make much sense. [19:06] No [19:06] Though there's an option for that too, I think. [19:06] hm well that is what happened [19:07] There are some options in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades [19:07] But the default is to not just reboot [19:07] even after kernel upgrades? [19:07] Correct. [19:08] there is a reboot option on auto-update [19:08] that is strange cause i updated my package db and saw 4 kernel package upgrades and when i updated the motd it said a restart was required, then i logged out and when i logged in again the upgradable package list was empty, and the motd no longer said a restart was required [19:09] and i am almost certain i havent set any options for automatically doing anything with upgrading packages [19:12] I think it's likely you have some local configuration doing that then, that is not the default. If you don't think so, then please provide steps to reproduce the issue on a fresh installation. [19:13] None of my many server instances randomly reboot :) [19:13] well it could also be that somehow the message just disappeared without it rebooting [19:13] wait a minute [19:15] if the kernel upgrades are automatically installed, like they should be by default, and a restart is required, maybe I just restarted it for something else and didnt remember and then when i logged back on it had already finished the upgrade and the restart [19:36] what there are ads in apt upgrade now [19:36] can i get rid of that asap? [19:36] I suppose you could get ride of them, I have never had them [19:37] have only seen ads when using npm [19:37] Liver_K: `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf` should work [19:38] Liver_K: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1992026 [19:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress] [19:38] Yeah what sdeziel said [19:38] well it looks like this [19:38] root@livers-server:~# apt upgrade [19:38] Reading package lists... Done [19:38] Building dependency tree... Done [19:38] Reading state information... Done [19:38] Calculating upgrade... Done [19:38] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [19:38] eatmydata libeatmydata1 python-babel-localedata python3-babel python3-certifi python3-jinja2 python3-json-pointer python3-jsonpatch [19:38] python3-jsonschema python3-markupsafe python3-pyrsistent python3-requests python3-tz python3-urllib3 [19:38] Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. [19:38] Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscription on up to 5 machines. [19:38] Learn more at https://ubuntu.com/pro [19:38] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [19:38] root@livers-server:~# [19:38] !flood [19:38] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [19:38] ah, I haven't seen that, but I don't have the esm installed anywhere [19:39] patdk-lap: the conf file is shipped by the ubuntu-advantage-tools [19:39] ya, not installed here [19:40] oh, minimal depends on it now [19:44] !pastebinit [19:44] pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit [19:46] what is it talking about command lines for? [19:46] this is a chat dialog not a shell [19:47] all your output came from a shell [19:47] well is my input starting with "!" going into a shell? [19:49] words starting with a ! on irc ask the bot to regurgitate a factoid [19:49] so am i using a shell when i do that or what [19:54] the shell also has a ! mechanism to re-run previous commands [19:56] so yes it is a shell? [19:57] i haven't got a clue what you're actually trying to do [19:57] im trying to get information [19:57] you pasted way too much data here and someone suggested you should use a pastebin site for it [19:57] that's solid advice [19:57] i am talking about the !pastebinit bot command [19:57] and how it says it is some sort of cli tool [19:58] which is confusing [20:00] pastebinit is a shell command; it's also pretty broken :( all the pastebin servers have changed their requirements since it was packaged, and now it's not very useful [20:00] is it saying i have to install some sort of 3rd party package to automatically make pastebins in here, or is it saying that the bot command itself is a cli tool and the bot command interface is somehow a shell or something? === Liver-K is now known as Liver_K [20:13] sarnold? [20:15] if pastebinit is broken, you should file a bug report :) [20:16] no i dont know what it does [20:16] or how to use it [20:17] JanC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/1812232 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/1917500 etc [20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1812232 in pastebinit (Ubuntu Eoan) "Deprecation warnings" [Medium, Fix Released] [20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1917500 in pastebinit (Ubuntu) "pastebin.com as a fallback errors with HTTP 405s" [Undecided, Confirmed] [20:17] JanC: after paste.ubuntu.com switched to requiring logins, most people switched to using | nc termbin.com 9999 or paste.debian.net [20:17] correction, i can guess what it does, i want to know what it IS [20:18] eh, why is is the Ubuntu pastebin requiring login now? [20:19] JanC: IIRC it was because of some abuse and/or copyrighted stuff being published [20:19] JanC: there was way too much abuse [20:19] also, pastebinit should be fixed to not use paste.ubuntu.com by default then [20:21] also, if I wanted to publish copyrighted stuff on Canonical infrastructure I could also just use Launchpad or whatever :P [20:21] yeah, people abuse that too [20:21] but the pastebin site got way more abuse and required a lot more time to deal with [20:21] or forums or ... [20:22] couldn't they require login to paste instead of to view? [20:22] it does [20:23] hm, I just pasted something? [20:23] the sso system doesn't prompt *all* the time, you were probably already logged in recently or something. I get "Please log in to create a paste." when I visit https://paste.ubuntu.com/ [20:24] so no ones gonna tell me what this "pastebinit" thing is or how to use it? [20:24] I used pastebinit to paste === Guest8696 is now known as g4mbit [20:24] it didn't ask me to login? [20:24] I /think/ that if you paste anonymously, the readers will have to auth? [20:25] bbl [20:25] ah, yes, that's possible [20:25] so what is really needed is for pastebinit to be able to login? [20:27] (or some other tool) [20:29] seems like that might be possible; let's see... [20:34] but not for the Ubuntu pastebin... [20:34] okay, that sucks [20:36] unit193 has a pastebinin in his ppa that fixes a *lot* of the pastebinit problems, but it might not fix all of them.. [20:57] IIRC you can interact with LP programmatically, so I suppose it should be possible to implement that with the pastebin too? [21:03] hah, our launchpad team has so much on their plate I can't imagine they'd love to reimplement a pastebin [21:05] I meant it more like if the login is the same, pastebinit could copy code from the LP tools [21:05] if the login method is the same [21:06] (both use the Ubuntu One account) [21:08] also, is the LP team so understaffed now? I see more & more Canonical stuff moving off LP... [21:16] The community generally seems to snub Launchpad and prefers GitHub for things. [21:24] I just keep getting tired of dealing with LP [21:24] and went to self hosting it now instead [21:26] patdk-lap: you are self-hosting LP? [21:27] na, moved my ppa's [21:27] PPAs seem to work fine mostly [21:27] I could only take 12-48hours for a build to happen for so long [21:27] heh [21:28] I never had that problem (for what limited stuff I used it for) [21:29] or maybe once, but that was during a build-everything period [21:30] the stuff I used to push there very often, have been dockerized, so they just build in the docker container build [21:30] then again, I usually only build stuff once every release ;) [21:31] it's mostly abandoned stuff, so it never changes [21:59] JanC: I think the launchpad team is probably the best staffed it's ever been now; but it's got more than a decade of technical debt to work off and github covers way more use cases right now.. [22:28] well, LP pretty much stagnated for a decade or so? and never implemented features people asked for... (like being able to host a basic site) [22:29] (people asked for the latter in LP before GitHub had it) [23:10] JanC: exactly