[15:48] <dobbicorp> hi, so, right now i'm installing my web-server so, should i install minimized version?
[15:48] <dobbicorp> from ubuntu-server iso
[15:59] <tomreyn> dobbicorp: this choice is entirely up to you.
[16:01] <ogra> adding stuff is usually easier than removing though ...
[17:04] <feurig> also just note that ceph is not on the table given our organizations previous experiences.
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> feurig: Wrong channel?
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Or maybe some stuff didn't come through to Matrix...
[17:51] <feurig> yep.
[17:53] <feurig> This was open when I logged in. It took so long to log in that I was trying to reset the login screen.
[17:53] <feurig> sorry.
[18:06] <Liver_K> hey does 22.04 LTS automatically reboot to upadte kernel packages by default?
[18:11] <ogra> no
[18:11] <Liver_K> then why did mine?
[18:12] <Liver_K> i didnt change that setting, if it even exists
[18:15] <ogra> it does exist in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ... but is off by default
[18:50] <Liver_K> hmmmm
[18:51] <Liver_K> do the lines with the distro id and codename as allowed origins for unattended upgrades mean that it will automatically upgrade distro packages like the kernel packages?
[18:51] <Liver_K> idk just tell me what that means
[18:51] <patdk-lap> kernel packages are not upgrades
[18:51] <patdk-lap> they are new versions
[18:54] <Liver_K> so then what would be the setting to upgrade those automatically?
[19:00] <rbasak> Liver_K: by default, it'll automatically upgrade packages only if they're published in the security pocket. That generally happens if there's a security issue that would be fixed by the update, but there are exceptions.
[19:00] <rbasak> In general this means that most users won't automatically get non-security-related updates.
[19:00] <rbasak> However kernels are an exception. Kernel updates run on a three week cadence and at leaset historically nearly always contained security related fixes, so they get published to the security pocket regardless.
[19:01] <Liver_K> what? your message showed up weird, i saw it from "the security pocket" til the end and i didnt see who its from
[19:01] <rbasak> Liver_K: by default, it'll automatically upgrade packages only if they're published in the security pocket. That generally happens if there's a security issue that would be fixed by the update, but there are exceptions.
[19:01] <rbasak> In general this means that most users won't automatically get non-security-related updates.
[19:01] <rbasak> However kernels are an exception. Kernel updates run on a three week cadence and at leaset historically nearly always contained security related fixes, so they get published to the security pocket regardless.
[19:01] <rbasak> Better?
[19:01] <Liver_K> ah yes i see it now
[19:02] <rbasak> (I just sent the same messages again)
[19:02] <Liver_K> yup
[19:03] <Liver_K> so that means kernel upgrades will be applied automatically?
[19:03] <Liver_K> (confirmation of what i think i understand)
[19:05] <rbasak> I believe so, yes. But you do need to reboot for that to take effect (or subscribe to Ubuntu Pro to get livepatch)
[19:06] <Liver_K> will the system will be rebooted automatically one kernel upgrades are applied automatically?
[19:06] <rbasak> So without livepatch, relying on unattended-upgrades to upgrade your kernels doesn't make much sense.
[19:06] <rbasak> No
[19:06] <rbasak> Though there's an option for that too, I think.
[19:06] <Liver_K> hm well that is what happened
[19:07] <rbasak> There are some options in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[19:07] <rbasak> But the default is to not just reboot
[19:07] <Liver_K> even after kernel upgrades?
[19:07] <rbasak> Correct.
[19:08] <patdk-lap> there is a reboot option on auto-update
[19:08] <Liver_K> that is strange cause i updated my package db and saw 4 kernel package upgrades and when i updated the motd it said a restart was required, then i logged out and when i logged in again the upgradable package list was empty, and the motd no longer said a restart was required
[19:09] <Liver_K> and i am almost certain i havent set any options for automatically doing anything with upgrading packages
[19:12] <rbasak> I think it's likely you have some local configuration doing that then, that is not the default. If you don't think so, then please provide steps to reproduce the issue on a fresh installation.
[19:13] <rbasak> None of my many server instances randomly reboot :)
[19:13] <Liver_K> well it could also be that somehow the message just disappeared without it rebooting
[19:13] <Liver_K> wait a minute
[19:15] <Liver_K> if the kernel upgrades are automatically installed, like they should be by default, and a restart is required, maybe I just restarted it for something else and didnt remember and then when i logged back on it had already finished the upgrade and the restart
[19:36] <Liver_K> what there are ads in apt upgrade now
[19:36] <Liver_K> can i get rid of that asap?
[19:36] <patdk-lap> I suppose you could get ride of them, I have never had them
[19:37] <patdk-lap> have only seen ads when using npm
[19:37] <sdeziel> Liver_K: `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf` should work
[19:38] <rbasak> Liver_K: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1992026
[19:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress]
[19:38] <rbasak> Yeah what sdeziel said
[19:38] <Liver_K> well it looks like this 
[19:38] <Liver_K> root@livers-server:~# apt upgrade
[19:38] <Liver_K> Reading package lists... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> Building dependency tree... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> Reading state information... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> Calculating upgrade... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[19:38] <Liver_K>   eatmydata libeatmydata1 python-babel-localedata python3-babel python3-certifi python3-jinja2 python3-json-pointer python3-jsonpatch
[19:38] <Liver_K>   python3-jsonschema python3-markupsafe python3-pyrsistent python3-requests python3-tz python3-urllib3
[19:38] <Liver_K> Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
[19:38] <Liver_K> Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscription on up to 5 machines.
[19:38] <Liver_K> Learn more at https://ubuntu.com/pro
[19:38] <Liver_K> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:38] <Liver_K> root@livers-server:~#
[19:38] <rbasak> !flood
[19:38] <patdk-lap> ah, I haven't seen that, but I don't have the esm installed anywhere
[19:39] <sdeziel> patdk-lap: the conf file is shipped by the ubuntu-advantage-tools
[19:39] <patdk-lap> ya, not installed here
[19:40] <patdk-lap> oh, minimal depends on it now
[19:44] <Liver_K> !pastebinit
[19:46] <Liver_K> what is it talking about command lines for?
[19:46] <Liver_K> this is a chat dialog not a shell
[19:47] <sarnold> all your output came from a shell
[19:47] <Liver_K> well is my input starting with "!" going into a shell?
[19:49] <sarnold> words starting with a ! on irc ask the bot to regurgitate a factoid
[19:49] <Liver_K>  so am i using a shell when i do that or what
[19:54] <sarnold> the shell also has a ! mechanism to re-run previous commands
[19:56] <Liver_K> so yes it is a shell?
[19:57] <sarnold> i haven't got a clue what you're actually trying to do
[19:57] <Liver_K> im trying to get information
[19:57] <sarnold> you pasted way too much data here and someone suggested you should use a pastebin site for it
[19:57] <sarnold> that's solid advice
[19:57] <Liver_K> i am talking about the !pastebinit bot command
[19:57] <Liver_K> and how it says it is some sort of cli tool
[19:58] <Liver_K> which is confusing
[20:00] <sarnold> pastebinit is a shell command; it's also pretty broken :( all the pastebin servers have changed their requirements since it was packaged, and now it's not very useful
[20:00] <Liver-K> is it saying i have to install some sort of 3rd party package to automatically make pastebins in here, or is it saying that the bot command itself is a cli tool and the bot command interface is somehow a shell or something?
[20:13] <Liver_K> sarnold?
[20:15] <JanC> if pastebinit is broken, you should file a bug report  :)
[20:16] <Liver_K> no i dont know what it does
[20:16] <Liver_K> or how to use it
[20:17] <sarnold> JanC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/1812232  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/1917500  etc
[20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1812232 in pastebinit (Ubuntu Eoan) "Deprecation warnings" [Medium, Fix Released]
[20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1917500 in pastebinit (Ubuntu) "pastebin.com as a fallback errors with HTTP 405s" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[20:17] <sarnold> JanC: after paste.ubuntu.com switched to requiring logins, most people switched to using | nc termbin.com 9999  or paste.debian.net
[20:17] <Liver_K> correction, i can guess what it does, i want to know what it IS
[20:18] <JanC> eh, why is is the Ubuntu pastebin requiring login now?
[20:19] <sdeziel> JanC: IIRC it was because of some abuse and/or copyrighted stuff being published
[20:19] <sarnold> JanC: there was way too much abuse
[20:19] <JanC> also, pastebinit should be fixed to not use paste.ubuntu.com by default then
[20:21] <JanC> also, if I wanted to publish copyrighted stuff on Canonical infrastructure I could also just use Launchpad or whatever  :P
[20:21] <sarnold> yeah, people abuse that too
[20:21] <sarnold> but the pastebin site got way more abuse and required a lot more time to deal with
[20:21] <JanC> or forums or ...
[20:22] <JanC> couldn't they require login to paste instead of to view?
[20:22] <sarnold> it does
[20:23] <JanC> hm, I just pasted something?
[20:23] <sarnold> the sso system doesn't prompt *all* the time, you were probably already logged in recently or something. I get "Please log in to create a paste." when I visit https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:24] <Liver_K> so no ones gonna tell me what this "pastebinit" thing is or how to use it?
[20:24] <JanC> I used pastebinit to paste
[20:24] <JanC> it didn't ask me to login?
[20:24] <sdeziel> I /think/ that if you paste anonymously, the readers will have to auth?
[20:25] <Liver_K> bbl
[20:25] <JanC> ah, yes, that's possible
[20:25] <JanC> so what is really needed is for pastebinit to be able to login?
[20:27] <JanC> (or some other tool)
[20:29] <JanC> seems like that might be possible; let's see...
[20:34] <JanC> but not for the Ubuntu pastebin...
[20:34] <JanC> okay, that sucks
[20:36] <sarnold> unit193 has a pastebinin in his ppa that fixes a *lot* of the pastebinit problems, but it might not fix all of them..
[20:57] <JanC> IIRC you can interact with LP programmatically, so I suppose it should be possible to implement that with the pastebin too?
[21:03] <sarnold> hah, our launchpad team has so much on their plate I can't imagine they'd love to reimplement a pastebin
[21:05] <JanC> I meant it more like if the login is the same, pastebinit could copy code from the LP tools
[21:05] <JanC> if the login method is the same
[21:06] <JanC> (both use the Ubuntu One account)
[21:08] <JanC> also, is the LP team so understaffed now? I see more & more Canonical stuff moving off LP...
[21:16] <rbasak> The community generally seems to snub Launchpad and prefers GitHub for things.
[21:24] <patdk-lap> I just keep getting tired of dealing with LP
[21:24] <patdk-lap> and went to self hosting it now instead
[21:26] <JanC> patdk-lap: you are self-hosting LP?
[21:27] <patdk-lap> na, moved my ppa's
[21:27] <JanC> PPAs seem to work fine mostly
[21:27] <patdk-lap> I could only take 12-48hours for a build to happen for so long
[21:27] <JanC> heh
[21:28] <JanC> I never had that problem (for what limited stuff I used it for)
[21:29] <JanC> or maybe once, but that was during a build-everything period
[21:30] <patdk-lap> the stuff I used to push there very often, have been dockerized, so they just build in the docker container build
[21:30] <JanC> then again, I usually only build stuff once every release  ;)
[21:31] <JanC> it's mostly abandoned stuff, so it never changes
[21:59] <sarnold> JanC: I think the launchpad team is probably the best staffed it's ever been now; but it's got more than a decade of technical debt to work off and github covers way more use cases right now..
[22:28] <JanC> well, LP pretty much stagnated for a decade or so? and never implemented features people asked for... (like being able to host a basic site)
[22:29] <JanC> (people asked for the latter in LP before GitHub had it)
[23:10] <sarnold> JanC: exactly