[00:05] <murmel> anybody get this error and know how to fix this (snapd) https://paste.debian.net/1256732/ sometimes it fixes itself on the next day, somtimes not
[00:09] <sarnold> ogra: any chance you're still awake? :)
[00:10] <murmel> isn't he eu time? (i only guess from his name)
[00:10] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: I probably can't help but I am still awake.
[00:11] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: ah good :) what's murmel's error message mean? :D
[00:11] <murmel> oh, additionally, this only ever happens in vms
[00:11] <murmel> refresh itself works (most of the time, not always)
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Maybe check your router settings? I once had some quite confusing internet behavior that only happened in VMs that progressively crippled my connection until only Wikipedia and apt would work that I can remember. I was (and am) using a mobile hotspot for my Internet connection, and changing the APN immediately fixed it.
[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (Maybe QoS might be getting in the way somehow?)
[00:16] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: ugh, I don't own the router. but as this happens on multiple public wifis (and never on the host) i almost don't think it's because of that
[00:16] <arraybolt3[m]> You using virt-manager or some other libvirt-based solution?
[00:17] <murmel> virt-manager
[00:17] <murmel> eh and now I can't even refresh :S
[00:17] <arraybolt3[m]> User session or system session?
[00:17] <murmel> system
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Try making a VM as a user session and see if that makes a difference.
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> If so, perhaps something in your bridged networking setup is causing the problem.
[00:27] <murmel> somebody knows if the kernel in the server install gets downloaded during install? it quite "hangs" there (I assume as my internet speed is very slow)
[00:29] <murmel> yeah can answer my own question :(. it does
[00:39] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: hm, it works in the user session, but not sure if it will work always or not, thanks :) will try some more
[00:39] <murmel> also couldn't test 100% the same setup, as it didn't let me use tpm inside the vm (as it couldn't access swtpm
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Bah, if it's working in the user session, that probably means something's messing stuff up in the bridged networking area... which I have absolutely no experience with, so, in the famous words of Arch Linux, "Bailing out, you're on your own. Good luck."
[00:42] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: interestingly enough, i didn't change anything, except switching from ufw to firewalld on the host. (so same bridge in the libvirt zone)
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> That sounds like a likely culprit to me. A firewall blocks network traffic, and you're having issues with blocked network traffic. I'd check the firewall configuration then.
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, I guess not blocked network traffic, but you're getting a "Forbidden" error, which sounds like something a firewall might do, at least to my mind.)
[00:44] <murmel> just turned off fw, flushed ruleset, but still not working. I guess I will wait till it works after going to sleep xD
[02:05] <ash_worksi> ever since upgrading to 22.04, `pass` has been using wl-clipboard instead of xclip. It causes this annoying flash and delay when copying passwords. Any idea how to force `pass` to use xclip?
[02:09] <sarnold> wl-clipboard sounds like a wayland thing and xclip sounds like an x11 thing; maybe if you run an xorg session rather than wayland session?
[02:09] <murmel> ash_worksi: pretty sure you would need to switch over to using xorg. (which you can do when logging in, use the cogwheel to choose the xorg session)
[02:11] <jhutchins> murmel: Oh, much more eloquent than "gear thingie".  Cogwheel. I'll remember that.
[02:12] <sarnold> I won't :(
[02:12] <ash_worksi> murmel: apparently I had to use the latest commit directly which hasn't been pushed to canonical yet
[02:13] <ash_worksi> I guess
[02:13] <ash_worksi> thanks everybody
[03:02] <hilmy> halo
[03:02] <hilmy> halo
[03:02] <adi_> jj
[03:03] <ardhian> halo
[03:04] <ardhian> halo
[03:04] <leftyfb> ardhian: can we help you with something?
[03:05] <adi_> halo
[03:05] <ardhian> quit
[03:05] <ardhian> quit
[03:40] <HP-UX> Please upgrade to the latest Firefox or Chrome.
[03:40] <HP-UX> Every few days firefox is out of date and gives a popup and I have no idea what is happening now
[03:40] <HP-UX> How do I fix this?
[03:40] <HP-UX> I have already tried sudo snap refresh and all that.
[03:41] <HP-UX> Firefox is still out of date, yes it has been restarted, and yes it is still out of date.
[03:41] <HP-UX> firefox            105.0.3-1        1943   latest/stable    mozilla✓    -
[03:41] <bougyman> are you running the firefox you think you're running?
[03:41] <HP-UX> I don't understand what is happening. Anytime I start firefox and try to use it, most the sites I use are broken since firefox is always apparently otu of date.
[03:41] <bougyman> Like, does the about match that version number?
[03:41] <HP-UX> Yes.
[03:42] <bougyman> I don't keep up with firefox so I don't know the 'updated version'
[03:42] <bougyman> Let me see what Pop! has.
[03:42] <HP-UX> 105.0.3 (64-bit) as reported by about
[03:42] <bougyman> I've got 105.0.3 as well.
[03:42] <HP-UX> firefox            105.0.3-1        1943   latest/stable    mozilla✓    -
[03:42] <HP-UX> as reported by snap
[03:42] <bougyman> And it doesn't complain about being not up to date.
[03:42] <HP-UX> snap refresh says nothing to update
[03:42] <HP-UX> No
[03:42] <HP-UX> The websites tell me, browser is out of date.
[03:43] <bougyman> Oh. They probably don't like the browser version for other reasons.
[03:43] <bougyman> try one of those browser agent header switchers.
[03:43] <HP-UX> So magically just a few days ago they decided to do this?
[03:43] <HP-UX> Worked for years without problems.
[03:43] <HP-UX> 22.04 has issues.
[03:43] <bougyman> Could be a library? Who knows.
[03:44] <bougyman> I doubt this is an ubuntu issue. I could be wrong but it doesn't smell like it.
[03:44] <bougyman> Can you share one of the websites in question?
[03:44] <HP-UX> I can't.
[03:45] <HP-UX> And on that note, I give up.
[03:45] <HP-UX> I'll manually install firefox myself in ~/bin
[03:45] <HP-UX> This is ridiculous.
[03:45] <HP-UX> Absolutely ridiculous. Whoever decided to put firefox in a snap and have us deal with that was a worst decision possible.
[03:46] <HP-UX> Firefox is almost always out of date, everytimne I start the browser, it's out of date and never works.
[03:46] <HP-UX> It's infuriating.
[03:46] <HP-UX> Ubuntu has been nothing but headaches. I'm so tired and exhausted of having to deal with these issues.
[03:46] <HP-UX> I need the OS to get out of my way so I can get work done.
[03:46] <HP-UX> This is not a distro where you can get work done. Things don't work.
[03:46] <HP-UX> I'm not happy and I'm going to look for a different distribution.
[03:47] <bougyman> Sweet.
[03:47] <bougyman> A lot of people get work done every day on ubuntu.
[03:48] <HP-UX> I should have known better than to try some corporate nonsense that doesn't care about users, only about companies they sell their Ubuntu support to. So that's another reason why I'm out.
[03:48] <bougyman> And ubuntu variants.
[03:48] <bougyman> This feels very A<>B
[03:48] <HP-UX> Have to depend on community support and the ubuntu using community just isnt' as smart as say arch or debian or some other distro community.
[03:48] <HP-UX> I don't know. I'm just speaking my honest take on things.
[03:49] <HP-UX> My apologies if this is harsh in any manner. I'm just fed up.
[03:49] <bougyman> Well if a piece of massive software breaks, I generally don't blame the OS.
[03:49] <HP-UX> But this is support, and I apprecaite your attempt at help.
[03:49] <HP-UX> Let's not talk more about my frustrations as that's neither here nor there.
[03:49] <bougyman> It's hard to give support without replicating the issue and you can't share the problem sites, so it's kind of a dead end.
[03:50] <HP-UX> Well the OS decides to do things in a silly way, that breaks daily functionailty, then yeah, the OS and the OS people are to blame.
[03:50] <HP-UX> I did not decide to put firefox in a snap package, the OS people did. Is what I meant. :)
[03:50] <bougyman> Gotcha. I can't fault your distaste for snap. I share it.
[03:51] <HP-UX> bougyman: Thanks for understanding.
[03:51] <HP-UX> I appreciate you.
[03:51] <bougyman> Doesn't mozilla have a deb and apt repositories, though?
[03:51] <bougyman> That's how I manage my chrome install to avoid snap.
[03:51] <HP-UX> I'm sure they do
[03:51] <HP-UX> Yeah, I may do the same.
[04:57] <pratham> Macedonicus, the kernels are only less than 15MB in size
[04:57] <pratham> So no, you won't gain more space removing old kernels
[04:58] <lubuntu> TT
[04:58] <lubuntu> mega problems with new instalation lubuntu  from 16.04 to 22.04 fresh instalatiom more than 2 hours omg..
[04:58] <lubuntu> wtf old golden lubuntu 16.04
[04:59] <lubuntu> i need for PHP 7.4+ new sstem :-/
[04:59] <lubuntu> system
[04:59] <lubuntu> horrible experience with instalation LVM , grub errors..etc..
[05:00] <lubuntu> last chance separately / home @ /boot
[05:01] <pratham> Can anyone help solve my problem? The manpage of `pro` shows that the services I can enable are `cc-eal`, `cis`, `esm` (not `esm-infra`), `fips`, `fips-updates`, `ros` and `ros-updates`. But running the command `sudo pro enable esm`, I get the following output:
[05:01] <pratham> sudo pro enable esm
[05:01] <pratham> One moment, checking your subscription first
[05:01] <pratham> Cannot enable unknown service 'esm'.
[05:01] <pratham> Try cc-eal, esm-infra, fips, fips-updates, livepatch, usg.
[05:02] <lubuntu> if is crash i downgrade to 18.04.. and other aplication i make on server :-( do my workstation is ... non-use, non sence :-/ pratham thx
[05:10] <murmel> HP-UX: bougyman: mozilla doesn't. there is a community repo called mozilla-team
[05:11] <bougyman> murmel: doesn't interest me, I'm not a mozilla user, but that might help HP-UX
[05:11] <bougyman> Thanks.
[05:11] <murmel> bougyman: I just wanted to point it out to you, if somebody ever asks again
[05:11] <bougyman> Ack.
[06:02] <HP-UX> Gotcha
[06:05] <retrosenator> I cant apt install anything
[06:05] <retrosenator> and apt update hangs
[06:05] <HP-UX> Can you pastebin the output of those commands?
[06:05] <retrosenator> Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth "0";
[06:05] <retrosenator> wait sorry
[06:06] <retrosenator> that was something that didnt work
[06:06] <retrosenator> https://pastebin.com/b0YJXChK
[06:54] <fweht> i just noticed a slight inconsistency(?) when i navigate to libreoffice by clicking the icon in the panel, it just brings the top document in view, when i close it,am back at where i came from (e.g. browser) but when i navigate to libreoffice via cmd+tab, it brings all open documents to front
[06:55] <fweht> somehow the latter seems more natural to me (maybe because im a former mac user)
[07:03] <spotter> is there a reason snaps dont refresh if the app is running?  this seems "wrong" to me, one should be able to update them and then on next execution you get the new version
[07:05] <bougyman> because snaps suck? Just one person's opinion.
[07:09] <hilmy> sepi
[07:09] <spotter> I'd think a part of the thing snaps should do, is be able to install in parallel to the running instance (so not to disrupt it) and then future executions get new version
[07:10] <spotter> i.e. one runs a docker container as <name>:latest and it wont dirsrupt existing running containers
[07:52] <alkisg> spotter: suppose firefox opens its bookmarks database; then you run a completely different firefox process which opens the same file => this results in file corruption, you have now lost your data
[07:53] <alkisg> spotter: your scenario would only work if the old version would use different data than the new version, or if all the applications were designed for multiple processes writing to the same file
[07:54] <alkisg> Ah you meant "install without running", sure that should be possible; I was talking about running the new version before the old one finishes
[08:18] <Mage13269> hi
[08:18] <Mage13269> Whats the best way to update my BIOS/UEFI on Linux? On Windoze, it updates via windows update, which makes firmware updates easy.
[08:25] <weq> check the manufactures method, it is a "them" problem and not a platform problem all in all.
[08:27] <logan_> hi guys i'm using linux lite. my usb mouse's clicks don't always work
[08:31] <webchat13> ，，
[08:39] <bittin> morning
[08:40] <Mage13269> The goal being to pick a random line from the hostnames.txt file, then set that output as the hostname using hostnamectl hostname.
[08:40] <Mage13269> Is this syntax right?
[08:40] <Mage13269> "shuf -a 1 $(hostnamectl hostname /path/hostnames.txt)"
[08:46] <alkisg> Mage132692: see #linux for the answer to this exercise :)
[08:49] <ogra> these commands definitely have the wrong order
[08:49] <Mage132692> yeah
[08:49] <Mage132692> not sure what the right order is
[08:54] <Mage13269227> hi
[08:54] <Mage13269227> The goal being to pick a random line from the hostnames.txt file, then set that output as the hostname using hostnamectl hostname.
[08:54] <Mage13269227> Is this syntax right?
[08:54] <Mage13269227> hostnamectl hostname $(shuf -n1 list.txt)
[08:54] <Mage13269227> This will be a .sh file, so I may need ""'' etc.
[08:54] <EriC^^> why Mage13269227 ? sounds very sketchy
[08:54] <Mage13269227> TO randomize my hostname for network privacy
[08:55] <EriC^^> Mage13269227: yeah that looks right
[08:55] <EriC^^> !hostname
[08:55] <Mage13269227> Does it need "" '' etc
[08:55] <Mage13269227> its going to be a .sh file, which will be loaded by a SystemD service
[08:55] <alkisg> EriC^^: it's probably part of some linux examination course, we gave the answer in #linux but regretted it :)
[08:56] <EriC^^> no Mage13269227
[08:56] <Mage13269227> Its not an exam...
[08:56] <EriC^^> alkisg: :)
[08:59] <Mage13269227> My WIFI is disconnecting randomly... I suspect a Linux Hardware/driver incompatability, any ideas on how to diagnose wifi error logs or fix the driver or it may be unfixable?
[09:02] <root__> haloo
[09:04] <root__> exitt
[09:04] <root__> exit
[09:15] <Mage132692> Where is my error: https://dpaste.com/AXW36GRPV.txt
[09:19] <Mage132692> Hello
[09:29] <SteelRose> Mage132692: what's the error message you get?
[09:29] <sjoshi> Mage132692: you are almost in every ubuntu, linux newtworking channel asking the same thing :)
[09:29] <lesshaste> shift prt-scrn no longer let's me select the region to take as a screenshot. Is there a way in ubuntu 22.04?
[09:30] <SteelRose> Mage132692: it should be "hostnamectl set-hostname ... " and not "hostnamectl hostname ... "
[09:31] <Mage132692> thanks
[09:31] <Mage132692> ok
[09:31] <Mage132692> how do I test the service again
[09:33] <Mage132692> ERRORS
[09:33] <Mage132692> "Oct 12 02:13:52 host111111111 systemd[6485]: hostnamerandomizationservice.service: Failed to execute /usr/bin/>"
[09:33] <Mage132692> hostnamerandomizationservice.service: Failed at step EXEC spawnin
[09:34] <Mage132692> I suspect my .service is bugged now
[09:34] <SteelRose> Mage132692: your .service file is fine... you only need to fix the shell script
[09:34] <SteelRose> and then: systemctl restart foobar.service
[09:37] <Mage132692> Hows this rose
[09:37] <Mage132692> https://dpaste.com/AJD9SK4M3.txt
[09:42] <SteelRose> Mage132692: it looks better
[09:43] <SteelRose> Mage132692: I hope you realize that your new hostnames won't be resolved by DNS...
[09:43] <Mage132692> I feel like this code may have errors, needing ' or " hostnamectl set-hostname $(shuf -n1 /home/NAME11/Desktop/TextFiles/hostnamelist.txt)
[09:43] <Mage132692> what do u mean
[09:43] <SteelRose> Mage132692: what's the reason to do that hostname change?
[09:43] <Mage132692> i just want my new hostname to be seen as my computers name to the wifi router
[09:43] <SteelRose> Mage132692: nope... the Bash script will work
[09:44] <SteelRose> Mage132692: how do guarantee that no 2 hosts pick the same name from the file?
[09:45] <Mage132692> im only picking once
[09:45] <Mage132692> or do u mean two computers on the same wifi network
[09:46] <SteelRose> Mage132692: yep... or whatever setup you have...
[09:47] <Mage132692> well
[09:47] <Mage132692> im sure that happens naturally
[09:48] <Mage132692> 5 people with default hostname etc
[09:49] <SteelRose> Mage132692: still, you must be open to the possibility that 2 or more computers get the same hostname... :-)
[09:49] <Mage132692> How can I best diagnose random wifi disconnections?
[09:49] <SteelRose> Mage132692: that's a topic for a network channel...
[09:49] <Mage132692> yeah buts its rare
[09:49] <Mage132692> hostname collision would be rare
[09:49] <SteelRose> Mage132692: checking your router's logs is a good place to start
[09:50] <Mage132692> i ncant
[09:50] <Mage132692> i cant
[09:50] <Mage132692> using shared wifi
[09:50] <SteelRose> Mage132692: how about the Linux logs?
[09:50] <Mage132692> where? which ones?
[09:50] <SteelRose> Mage132692: your systems logs... are you (really) on Ubuntu?
[09:51] <Mage132692> yes y
[09:51] <SteelRose> Mage132692: /var/log/syslog is a good candidate to look into
[09:51] <Mage132692> ty
[09:51] <SteelRose> Mage132692: journalctl -u NetworkManager
[09:51] <Mage132692> ty
[09:51] <Mage132692> thats more focused
[09:51] <Mage132692> thanks
[09:52] <SteelRose> Mage132692: anytime
[09:52] <Mage132692> <3
[09:52] <Mage132692> senpai
[09:52] <SteelRose> Mage132692: I'm just a regular user
[09:53] <Mage132692> ty friend
[10:03] <Guest3320> whats the command to check network logs again? my wifi keeps crashing, i think im going to have to return this laptop...
[10:04] <SteelRose> Guest3320: journalctl -u NetworkManager
[10:04] <SteelRose> Guest3320: if you want to see it in real-time, open a shell and type: journalctl -f -u NetworkManager
[10:05] <SteelRose> Guest3320: do you have all the needed firmware packages and network drivers installed on the laptop?
[10:07] <Guest3320> yeah
[10:08] <Guest3320> it works for like 15 minutes, then disconnects
[10:08] <Guest3320> even after fully updating
[10:09] <ogra> Guest3320, iw dev wlan0 get power_save
[10:10] <ogra> is the device shutting down to save power ?
[10:10] <Guest3320>  Command 'iw' not found, but can be installed with:
[10:10] <Guest3320> should i install it
[10:10] <ogra> it should be installed by default. is that a normal ubuntu install ?
[10:11] <Guest3320> lubuntu
[10:11] <Guest3320> command failed: No such device (-19)
[10:11] <ogra> well, how is your wlan device called then ?
[10:11] <Guest3320> my wifi disconnected during the os initial install
[10:11] <Guest3320> how do i check
[10:12] <ogra> iw dev
[10:12] <ogra> tat should list all wifi devices detected on yur machine
[10:13] <Guest3320> i think its this         Interface wlo1
[10:14] <ogra> okay, then use that in the command i gave above ... instead of wlan0
[10:14] <Guest3320> power save on!!!!
[10:14] <ogra> there you go 🙂
[10:14] <Guest3320> and why is my wifi chip not default wlan0
[10:15] <Guest3320> how do i disable it
[10:15] <ogra> dunno, up to the vendor and the kernel
[10:15] <Guest3320> and it would siconnect during usage
[10:15] <Guest3320> disconnect
[10:15] <ogra> (the name that is)
[10:15] <Guest3320> why would powersave disconnect during wifi use
[10:15] <Guest3320> wouldnt it disconnect during idle
[10:15] <ogra> you can turn it off with: iw dev wlan0 set power_save=off
[10:15] <Guest3320> how do i disable my wifi powersave mode?
[10:15] <Guest3320> ty
[10:16] <ogra> well wlo1 ...
[10:16] <Guest3320> o god
[10:16] <Guest3320> it just pasted the entire help document
[10:16] <Guest3320> but i dont think the command ran right
[10:17] <ogra> not if it showed the help
[10:17] <Guest3320> yeah i run the powersave off command
[10:17] <Guest3320> and it just shows a long document
[10:17] <ogra> drop the equl sign
[10:17] <Guest3320> as if the syntax is wrong?
[10:17] <ogra> *equal
[10:17] <ogra> yeah
[10:17] <ogra> it does not need =
[10:17] <Guest3320> ok that worked
[10:17] <ogra> good
[10:17] <Guest3320> powersave is off now
[10:17] <Guest3320> ok, now we wait
[10:18] <Guest3320> thanks for that
[10:18] <ogra> i'd try a manual connect
[10:18] <Guest3320> what do u mean
[10:18] <ogra> (not sure if witing helps 🙂 )
[10:18] <ogra> *waiting
[10:18] <Guest3320> manual connect to what
[10:18] <Guest3320> it just used to disconnect randomly
[10:18] <ogra> to your wlan
[10:19] <Guest3320> i am connected already
[10:19] <ogra> ah !
[10:19] <ogra> k
[10:19] <ogra> i thought you were waiting for it to connect
[10:19] <Guest3320> do i neeed to restart for powersave change to take true effect
[10:20] <ogra> no, if the check returns "off" it is actually off
[10:20] <ogra> not sur if that persists across reboots though ... depends on the HW
[10:20] <ogra> you might need to set it every boot if it does not
[10:21] <Guest3320> o dang
[10:21] <Guest3320> ok
[10:21] <ogra> (perhaps the lubuntu network UI has a switch for that ?)
[10:21] <Guest3320> i could just make a system d service
[10:22] <ogra> or that, yeah
[10:23] <ogra> Guest3320, https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/315400 ...
[10:23] <ogra> seems there is a network manager config fiel you can put in place
[10:24] <ogra> *file
[10:24] <ogra> that should make it permanent
[10:28] <Guest335> great, thats perfect, thank you
[10:28] <Guest335> :)
[10:29] <Guest335> it does not work for some reason. The value 2 is set in the file in my case but when i ran some command to see if wifi power manager is on, it did say so, even after multiple restarts. Are these values accurate?
[10:29] <Guest335> how can we verify what 1,2,3,4, etc mean
[10:29] <Guest335> default is 3 for on
[10:30] <Guest335> i guess i just have to restart to find out
[10:32] <spotter> alkisg, while an existing firefox isntance is open, the new snap shouldn't be used.  multiple verisons of a snap should be able to coexist side by side.
[10:33] <spotter> i.e. indocker terminology it should be if container is running doinger docker exec into existing container, else do docker run to create new container
[10:58] <nikolam> Can I apply metric to connection to 60 instead of 50, so that OpenVPN connection can actually work when enabled? When I enable OpenVPN connection, LAN1 adapter has the same metric as OpenVPN client connection .
[11:00] <nikolam> I changed metric to 60 in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg , but ' netplan apply ' and ' systemctl restart systemd-networkd ' did not change interface metric in route table..
[11:01] <nikolam> I suppose, same metric of 50 could be cause of the problem of not routing packet through openvpn client connection..
[11:01] <nikolam> May be I could have it applied for LAn connection at 60 , without reboot.. ?
[12:28] <brktoot>  yt-dlp --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 - Can you please help with the syntax of putting this command in alias so I can just write the command followed by the link?
[12:30] <tarzeau> yeah i use youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3
[12:31] <brktoot> alias dl='yt-dlp --extract-audio --audio-format mp3' ; var=foo; dl "$var" ..... or something like that maybe?
[12:34] <cbreak> brktoot: you could write a shell script and put it somewhere into your path
[12:35] <brktoot> cbreak, I can't. I have zero knowledge on writing scripts
[12:35] <cbreak> if you wanted an alias, it'd look like the first part
[12:35] <cbreak> but that's bash syntax
[12:35] <cbreak> so it'd only work if you use a bash shell
[12:36] <cbreak> you could also write a shell function, that'd look like dl () { youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 "$@" }
[12:42] <brktoot> re
[12:43] <brktoot> then I guess I have to execute the command only when I am in the directory of where the script is?
[12:44] <brktoot> cbreak, but the first part is it enough if add the link after that?  alias dl='yt-dlp --extract-audio --audio-format mp3' .... = dl <youtubelink>
[12:45] <EriC^^> yeah brktoot
[12:45] <EriC^^> where's the script located? (yt-dlp) ?
[12:46] <cbreak> brktoot: no
[12:46] <cbreak> nothing after that
[12:46] <cbreak> once you have that alias, you can use it like a normal command
[12:46] <cbreak> and you specify the link like with a normal command
[12:47] <cbreak> no =
[12:47] <EriC^^> i think he just meant that it would yield dl <link> working
[12:48] <cbreak> it would, yes.
[12:48] <EriC^^> brktoot: if yt-dlp isnt in a $PATH, you could just give the alias the full path to it, then you can use it any directory
[12:48] <cbreak> so would the function
[12:49] <brktoot> Thats the best I could figure out  - alias dl='yt-dlp --extract-audio --audio-format mp3' ; var=foo; dl "$var"
[12:49] <brktoot> otherwise pasting the link after dl wotn work
[12:49] <cbreak> brktoot: as I said, the stuff after ; isn't needed
[12:50] <brktoot> cbreak, ok thanks will try now
[12:50] <cbreak> but I usually prefer shell functions
[12:50] <cbreak> like the one I gave above
[12:50] <brktoot> cbreak, why
[12:50] <cbreak> better syntax, more control
[12:51] <brktoot> mhm
[12:53] <brktoot> do i have to logout or reboot for the aliases to be updated?
[12:53] <brktoot> because it seems to not working
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:54] <cbreak> brktoot:
[12:54] <chromebittin> hey
[12:54] <cbreak> no, just reload your shell
[12:55] <cbreak> or manually `source .bashrc` or where ever you put it
[12:55] <brktoot> how
[12:55] <cbreak> or just write the code on the shell and try it out directly
[12:55] <cbreak> brktoot: do you have a shell open?
[12:55] <brktoot> terminal
[12:56] <cbreak> type the following: alias x="echo foo"
[12:56] <brktoot> just saved the file with the new alias
[12:56] <cbreak> then press "enter"
[12:56] <cbreak> then type x, and press enter again
[12:56] <cbreak> that's how aliases work
[12:56] <cbreak> you can try the same with your alias
[12:57] <cbreak> once you're happy with the alias, and want to save it, write it into your shell's rc file
[12:59] <brktoot> cbreak, thanks, but I prefer to use just the alias command. I will reboot so it can be updated and will try it
[12:59] <brktoot> reboo
[13:00] <cbreak> rebooting is pointless...
[13:00] <cbreak> this isn't windows
[13:01] <brktoot_> cbreak, it works, thank you
[13:04] <cbreak> hmm... did something in the most recent snap firefox update break japanese?
[13:06] <ogra> cbreak, i think latest FF improved spellcheck integration ... might be that not all languages aer 100% covered with that ...
[13:06] <ogra> *are
[13:06] <cbreak> ... this firefox snap nonsense never stops annoying me :(
[13:06] <cbreak> ogra: it seems there are no japanese fonts available
[13:07] <cbreak> wonder if that's a problem in the snap, or something outside
[13:07] <ogra> cbreak, file a bug then ... and do snap revert firefox to go back to the former version until it is fixed
[13:08] <cbreak> I'm not 100% sure at the moment if the problem's in the snap or outside...
[13:10] <cbreak> it might be in one of the base packages firefox uses
[13:11] <cbreak> ogra: no, you were right, firefox                         105.0.3-1                   1943   latest/stable    mozilla✓    <- broken
[13:11] <cbreak> firefox                         105.0.2-1                   1918   latest/stable    mozilla✓   <- works
[13:11] <cbreak> ...
[13:11] <cbreak> nevermind, it doesn't actually work :(
[13:12] <cbreak> and I can't revert further back
[13:13] <ogra> no, you can only revert to what you have on disk
[13:13] <ogra> and by default only one copy is kept on desktop installs (you can increase that with a setting)
[13:13] <ogra> (but only for all snaps)
[13:16] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date#heading--refresh-retain
[13:18] <Guest18> .
[13:19] <cbreak> ogra: I'm not sure rolling back would help much anyway, better if it's solved going forward
[13:19] <Guest18> Hey folks, does anyone here feel confident in firewalls/iptables/etc?
[13:19] <cbreak> I wouldn't be surprised if firefox depends on some other snaps, and those removed the fonts (like core20, or gnome-3-38-2004  , or similar)
[13:19] <brktoot_> how do I check if a kernal release has all it needs for the drivers of my sound card?
[13:20] <cbreak> brkroot: lshw shows your hardware, lshw -C multimedia shows sound cards and the like
[13:20] <ogra> cbreak, gnome-3-38-2004 ships some default fonts but integrates the system fonts too ... either way, file a bug to make sure it is known and gets fixed
[13:21] <cbreak> interesting
[13:21] <cbreak> maybe there's an incompatibility with 22.10 and these snaps...
[13:21] <ogra> ah, 22.10
[13:21] <cbreak> I filed a bug, let's see if I can find out more though
[13:21] <ogra> wrong channel then 😉
[13:21] <leftyfb> !ubuntu-next | cbreak
[13:21]  * ogra was assuming a supported release in here ... pre-releases are in #ubuntu-next 
[13:22] <cbreak> it's the same snap :P
[13:22] <ogra> not the same env
[13:22] <leftyfb> !next | cbreak
[13:22] <ogra> (other fontconfig etc)
[13:22] <ogra> so it is even more important you file a bug given how close the release is
[13:22] <brkroot> cbreak, I know the sound card, but with the kernal im using there is no drives avaiable. I dont know how to check if a X kernal version supports my sound card
[13:23] <leftyfb> brkroot: "kernel"
[13:23] <brkroot> leftyfb, correct
[13:23] <brkroot> thnx :)
[13:23] <leftyfb> brkroot: (uname -a  ; cat /etc/os-release ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:24] <Guest18> Does anyone here feel confident in firewalls/iptables/etc?
[13:24] <leftyfb> !ask | Guest18
[13:24] <brkroot> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/825q5
[13:24] <Guest18> leftyfb: !ok
[13:26] <Guest18> So as far as I got it, the 22.04.1 running nftables behind iptables, how do I navigate to it, where can I read about it, can I disable iptables?
[13:26] <brkroot> !patience
[13:27] <Guest18> !cuteBot
[13:27] <leftyfb> Guest18: why are you using nftables if you don't know how to use it?
[13:28] <leftyfb> Guest18: here's the first result on google when searching for "ubuntu nftables" https://www.hackerxone.com/2021/09/22/how-to-install-nftables-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
[13:28] <Guest18> leftyfb: Why do you think I'm using it? :)  I'm going to learn it, because that's the "new world order", I mean standard... as far as arch wiki says
[13:28] <brkroot> so how do I check if kernEl 5.18 supports my sound with all drives needed, before I download it?
[13:28] <Guest18> I know how to use google, thnx :)leftyfb
[13:29] <leftyfb> brkroot: which sound card do you have? (preferably from lshw or lspci)
[13:30] <brkroot> leftyfb, product: Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller
[13:30] <brkroot> configuration: driver=sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl latency=32
[13:30] <Lynx-> Hi! I'm just rebooting my Ubuntu machine after a power cut. Booting seems stuck after mounting the drives, so I guess it may be doing file system checks. But there is no progress indicator or anything, can I find out what's going on?
[13:31] <Guest18> Lynx-: just start fresh, what's the prob?
[13:31] <leftyfb> brkroot: tried this? https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-10-tiger-lake-sound/11908/9
[13:31] <Guest18> Lynx-: Oh, ignore me. I misread it
[13:32] <Lynx-> Guest18: I just want to know if it's doing anything or stuck in the boot process.
[13:32] <leftyfb> Lynx-: boot with a live cd/usb and run an fsck on your filesystems. Maybe a SMART test as well
[13:32] <Guest18> Lynx-: No idea, I thought for a sec you were installing it and power gone off in the mid...
[13:33] <Lynx-> To rephrase, if Ubuntu does fsck on boot, is there a progress indicator? I seem to remember it showing "% done" or something.
[13:34] <cbreak> Lynx-: you're booting in text mode?
[13:34] <cbreak> if not, try to boot in text mode
[13:34] <fling> yo
[13:35] <cbreak> make sure your kernel command line doesn't contain "quiet" or "prompt", then you should see more feedback
[13:35] <Lynx-> cbreak: If I press esc I get the text. The last one is "Mounted /data", but before that are some messages about File System Checks.
[13:35] <fling> Lynx-: and make sure your fsck uses -C flag
[13:36] <fling> -C is what probably makes it draw the bar
[13:37] <hays> i am on the 18.04 installer (arm64/mini.iso) is there any way to change the mirror? its using something that is very slow and sometimes doesn't respond, yielding errors during the base system install
[13:39] <brkroot> leftyfb, tried it as perhaps everythung else online  to conclude that with the kernal im using there is no drivers for my sound card with ubuntu 22.04. In this article the solution is changing mainboard. I am thinkin just to start trying different late kernal versions and see wich one will give me sound. I don't know how to check for that info before I download a kernel
[13:40] <brkroot> I mean if there is simple option to check, or is it just going through documentation and reading bugs for each kernel?
[13:44] <brkroot> leave it, Im fed up with this anyway. I will just use bluetooth to get sound
[14:06] <Brian71> Hello. Can someone test this page in Firefox and tell me if the first piece of text is shifted upwards? I'm trying to determine if I have a font issue that is specific to my ubuntu install. https://codepen.io/brianpeiris/full/bGMjeKo/99ac7962a95ec8fdd676b8ef626d09d4
[14:12] <Lynx-> Hmm, I still can't figure out why my workstation won't boot, is there a way to make the boot messages more verbose? It just seems to stop after "[OK] Mounted /data"
[14:22] <skuntee4> you can try: boot with an usb stick, check logs if its second stage boot, try fsck your drives then try 'repair-boot' app.
[14:24] <Lynx-> skuntee4: Ok, will download an iso. Which log would I check, just /var/log?
[14:33] <mybalzitch> someone file a bug report for me: snap reports all snaps up to date when it should error that it can't update snaps for apps that are currently open.
[14:36] <ogra> why cant you do it yourself ?
[14:36] <mybalzitch> meh
[14:36] <ogra> ubuntu-bug snapd
[14:36] <ogra> it isn like it is hard and only you might hav the logs needed to debug this
[15:03] <moha> By the command `pcs resource move VirtualIP node2`, nothing happens! Pacemaker does not move the VirtualIP resource and its constrained resources while the output of `echo $?` is '0'!
[15:04] <moha> has the syntax change in the current version?
[15:25] <rameur> test
[15:32] <moha> By the command `pcs resource move VirtualIP node2`, nothing happens! Pacemaker does not move the VirtualIP resource and its constrained resources while the output of `echo $?` is '0'!
[15:36] <ogra> moha, better as in some pacemaker related channel ... i doubt many people in here know about pacemaker
[15:36] <leftyfb> or #ubuntu-server
[15:37] <ogra> s/as/ask/
[15:37] <Enissay> After deleting a big folder on my ntfs drive, space has not been released yet ! That was yesterday so I have rebooted in the meantime... Using lsof shows nothing related to my folder :-/
[15:38] <leftyfb> Enissay: define delete
[15:39] <oerheks> Enissay, it ends up in .Trash-1000 on ntfs .. unless you hold shift, to delete directly
[15:39] <Enissay> initially I did a ctrl+x then paste. I noticed space not changing after many big files moved. Then later, I did a `cp src dest`. Then I deleted the src folder manually.
[15:40] <Enissay> same issue
[15:40] <Enissay> oerheks: That folder is empty as well
[15:51] <Guest23fdgfdg> hi
[16:03] <arraybolt3> OK, this is probably going to be a pretty tricky question. I've researched it and still am not sure what exactly I'm doing here, and I'd like to have a solution that just works, so I don't want to have to fiddle with research a whole lot more. How do I set up a Kubuntu desktop computer to run X headless, at 1600x900 resolution, using my NVIDIA card for graphics acceleration? That way I can SSH in, use x11vnc to connect to the headless
[16:03] <arraybolt3> desktop, and then use it on my laptop. If this is an XY problem, feel free to suggest an alternate solution.
[16:04] <arraybolt3> I want it to work just exactly the same as it does with a monitor connected, but without needing the monitor connected.
[16:04] <alkisg> First, you can use xrdp to get a virtual display. Second, you can set up a virtual display for VNC. And third, video=VGA-1:1600x900e in the cmdline
[16:04] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Whatever graphics you see on your laptop is still rendered by the laptop hardware.
[16:05] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Yeah that's bad, I want it to be rendered remotely on the desktop, and then I just see the framebuffer on the laptop.
[16:05] <alkisg> jhutchins: if it doesn't detect a display, it defaults to lower modes
[16:05] <jhutchins> You really think you can get 1600x900 over a network connection?  Good luck.
[16:05] <alkisg> If it's completely disconnected on boot; that's what the "e" in the cmdline stands for, to enable it unconditionally
[16:05] <arraybolt3> alkisg: Is that video=VGA thing a parameter to pass to X?
[16:05] <alkisg> arraybolt3: no, in /etc/default/grub
[16:05] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Hey, I've gotten Full HD over the network at acceptable speeds before.
[16:06] <arraybolt3> alkisg: Oh, nifty. I think that's exactly what I'm looking for.
[16:06] <alkisg> It's a kernel commandline parameter
[16:06] <alkisg> arraybolt3: start with the output of xrandr, the VGA-1 isn't always the correct name
[16:08] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: In case it helps make sense of it, this is just over the local WiFi, I'm not trying to beam a screen across the Internet or anything. And I don't need high quality - I usually set my VNC client to the lowest quality and it just works. Because of my work, low quality and mid-high resolution is important.
[16:08] <arraybolt3> (Er, the mid-high resolution is important and I can live with low quality without problems.)
[16:08] <arraybolt3[m]> (Is it just me or is Matrix being laggy today?)
[16:09] <alkisg> arraybolt3: it doesn't even need to be a supported resolution for that monitor; for example, I"m doing this, while I have an HDMI display:
[16:09] <alkisg> # Disable local viewing: xrandr --addmode VGA-1 1920x1080; xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output HDMI-2 --off
[16:09] <alkisg> So you can even do it dynamically when you connect, and even hide the local display etc etc
[16:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh that's cool.
[16:10] <ogra> just dont accidetially pick a wayland session when using this 😉
[16:11] <alkisg> VNC doesn't work over wayland anyway :D OK it does but only for the internal gnome thing
[16:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, it's Kubuntu, I use X.
[16:11] <arraybolt3[m]> On both the laptop and desktop.
[16:12] <alkisg> (btw the video= trick works for wayland too)
[16:15] <ogra> yeah, that option just sets the framebuffer defaults in the kernel
[16:15] <arraybolt3[m]> alkisg: Thank you! I'll try that out hopefully soon and see what happens.
[16:16] <alkisg> 👍️
[16:16]  * alkisg is currently connected to that 1920x1080 display over ADSL+VNC, it's fine
[16:52] <n-iCe> hi
[16:52] <chromebittin> hi
[17:08] <murmel> ogra: here?
[17:11] <hays> Hello. I am trying to add an architecture to Ubuntu (dpkg --add-architecture) so that I can run amd64 binaries on arm64. The problem is the repos are separate so apt update doesn't work.  Is there a way to tell apt where the amd64 files are?
[17:11] <leftyfb> uh
[17:12] <leftyfb> hays: that won't work
[17:12] <leftyfb> hays: you cannot run amd64 binaries on arm64
[17:12] <hays> sure you can, through qemu
[17:12] <hays> binfmt, etc
[17:13] <leftyfb> ok, that's not running amd64 binaries on arm. That is emulating amd64 in a VM which happens to run on arm
[17:13] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Actually, there's a qemu user-mode emulation thing that works like how he's describing.
[17:13] <murmel> arraybolt3: still emulating ;)
[17:13] <Bardon> Hello, I have a remote computer on which I forgot to add a swap space. It uses LVM, one partition for the OS and one for the home directory. Can I add a swap space remotely via ssh?
[17:13] <arraybolt3> It doesn't run a VM, it just emulates the instructions but otherwise runs the executable directly on the host.
[17:13] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: still emulating the arch
[17:14] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Well true, I may have misunderstood what you meant by VM.
[17:14] <murmel> Bardon: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-20-04
[17:14] <Bardon> I suppose if I do it remotely I need to use a swap file rather than a swap partition?
[17:14] <leftyfb> Bardon: are you sure you need swap space?
[17:15] <murmel> you can both but file is more flexible Bardon
[17:15] <arraybolt3> Bardon: If you need swap, then yes, you probably will need to use a file unless you can repartition the server remotely, which may be a pain if it's possible at all. But swapfiles work just fine in 2022, as far as I know.
[17:15] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: it's possible, but non-trivial and not recommended :)
[17:15] <Bardon> Ok. Is swap file the newer way of doing swap?
[17:16] <Bardon> I've only used swap partition so far
[17:16] <arraybolt3> Bardon: In Ubuntu, I believe so.
[17:16] <murmel> Bardon: easier, more flexible, and ubuntu defaults to file
[17:16] <Bardon> All right, file it is then. Thanks for the link!
[17:16] <Bardon> leftyfb: I'm not sure yet, but I have a big ssd and not so much RAM so I think it's a good idea
[17:17] <leftyfb> Bardon: swap on an SSD isn't usually the best idea
[17:17] <murmel> always depends on what you do with the machine
[17:17] <Bardon> My user works with blender unity and such. I don't know if those use a lot of ram
[17:17] <murmel> how much ram are we talking about?
[17:18] <Bardon> leftyfb: Do you think it's better to not have any swap space vs swap on an SSD?
[17:18] <Bardon> murmel: 16G
[17:18] <leftyfb> Bardon: adding swap on an SSD is not a good solution for lack of memory. swap is good for temporary spikes in memory usage. Not regular use
[17:18] <leftyfb> Bardon: 16G should be plenty. You don't need swap
[17:18] <murmel> blender should be fine, unity no idea
[17:19] <Bardon> leftyfb: My reasoning was that in case of spike, it's always better to have a swap space ready, right?
[17:19] <mort> you should have swap even if you don't run out of memory
[17:19] <murmel> yeah, i mean now you don't even have swap which means oomd will kill any program
[17:19] <Bardon> Right so I'll just set up a swap space then :)
[17:20] <hays> leftyfb: so is there a way to install the libraries that I need?
[17:20] <mort> swap lets the kernel make much more intelligent memory management decisions
[17:21] <murmel> mort: well, there are programs which don't run when swap exists
[17:21] <mort> you may have a program which allocates a few gigabytes at launch, then uses it for a bit, and then almost never touches any part of it again; there's no reason for that to take up space in physical RAM, more space for the page cache would likely make your system run smoother
[17:22] <mort> with swap, the kernel can page out some pages of that application's RAM to disk and keep other disk pages in RAM longer; without swap, the kernel is forced to keep all allocations which any program could theoretically use again in the future in physical RAM
[17:23] <mort> murmel: I have never heard of any program which won't run if swap exists, but if such software does indeed exist, it's certainly better to deal with it if it ever becomes an issue right?
[17:23] <mort> which software are you talking about by the way?
[17:24] <murmel> mort: yeah, it's very rare, only found kubernetes for now (the actual k8)
[17:24] <mort> weird
[17:25] <murmel> google doing weird stuff *shrug*
[17:25] <murmel> it doesn't let you install if swap exists
[17:26] <mort> oh well, this is presumably a desktop system
[17:26] <Bardon> mort: Thanks for the explanation :)
[17:26] <murmel> who knows, blender render farm :D
[17:26] <Bardon> It is a laptop
[17:27] <murmel> Bardon: could still be a farm
[17:27] <Bardon> Right
[17:27] <Bardon> But this isn't :)
[17:27] <mort> the two advantages (ignoring the k8 use case) to running without swap is: you free up some disk space, and it might make the OOM killer trigger faster to recover your system if you're lucky
[17:28] <mort> (if you're unlucky it will make the situation worse since the system will be even less responsive than it is with swap on an SSD and the OOM killer doesn't trigger)
[17:28] <Bardon> All right, thanks for your help, bbye
[17:28] <mort> the solution in any case is a userspace OOM killer daemon
[17:28] <mort> bye
[17:48] <ogra> murmel, i am now
[17:48] <ogra> (hi)
[17:48] <murmel> let me just launch my vm for a sec ;)
[17:49] <cbreak> can anyone with a working snap firefox tell me if your file:///snap/firefox/1943/usr/share/ directory (from within firefox) shows anything other than a hunspell and a pipewire dir?
[17:49] <cbreak> I'm wondering where firefox would find its fonts
[17:49] <ogra> from fontconfig
[17:49] <murmel> ogra: any idea how I can fix this/debug more as I can't find any logs other than this https://paste.debian.net/1256818/
[17:50] <ogra> murmel, looks like some networking prob with your VM
[17:50] <leftyfb> !next | cbreak
[17:51] <murmel> ugh, I mean I just have the default bridge, which gets created with virt-manager. the only non-default is I use firewalld rather than ufw
[17:51] <cbreak> leftyfb: I'm more interested how it is on current ones
[17:51] <cbreak> the next one I can check myself
[17:51] <murmel> ogra: even disabling firewalld, flushing rules, doesn't help :S
[17:51] <leftyfb> cbreak: to compare with Ubuntu 22.10 because you have an issue?
[17:52] <cbreak> leftyfb: to compare with firefox snap on 22.10, because I want to see if there's a difference
[17:52] <cbreak> I'm not entirely sure if the issue I have is from snap, firefox, 22.10 or something else specific to my setup
[17:52] <leftyfb> cbreak: then you should report and debug this in #ubuntu-next. You might be surprised to find it's a known issue that the devs can explain to you
[17:53] <ogra> murmel, well, it definitely doesnt look like a snap specific prob to me ... the api query returns 405 ...
[17:53] <ogra> murmel, dns works fine in that VM ?
[17:53] <murmel> ogra: everything else works, except snap
[17:55] <ogra> cbreak, each snap has its own fonts.conf it generates at install time from anything that is in the env variables ...
[17:56] <cbreak> interesting, so it might be related to state in ~/snap
[17:56] <ogra> (i.e. systm fonts, fonts from content snaps (gnome) and fonts shipped in the snap itself ...)
[17:57] <murmel> which would mean there is always only those 2? (I mean mine has)
[18:02] <guzzlefry> Does Firefox still get updated on 20.04? I noticed there's nothing newer than 105.0 so far even though I think there have been some security updates about a week ago.
[18:03] <murmel> guzzlefry: 105 is _latest_
[18:04] <hays> leftyfb: got it working.
[18:05] <hays> I needed to use [arch=amd64] in the sources.list and grab it from the regular mirrors
[18:05] <hays> then just apt install libc:amd64 and stdlibc++6:amd64
[18:05] <cosmicrajiv> guzzlefry: the latest is 105.0.3.
[18:05] <guzzlefry> murmel: Installed: 105.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1. There's currently a 105.0.3.
[18:06] <guzzlefry> I'm not sure which full version 105.0+build2 corresponds to...
[18:06] <guzzlefry> `firefox --version` just gives me 105.0
[18:10] <ogra> guzzlefry, it will definitely get updated until 2025 at least
[18:10] <ogra> but debs are *massively* more work intense than snaps ... so it can well be that it simply takes longer to get updates
[18:14] <camille> e
[18:22] <ogra> murmel, do you have any proxy settings set in the VM ? that would b the only thing i could imagine ...
[20:24] <zzz> has anyone been having trouble with python dependencies? i'm getting /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory errors when trying to run stuff that never gave me problems before and apt is giving me `package python is not available, but it's referred to by another package`
[20:26] <matsaman> zzz: ls /usr/bin/python*
[20:26] <morgan-hp> may I ask here about how to install chrome on 22.04?  I have looked at 5 pages. 3 agree. One says to install chrome-somftware and then chrome will appear as an option in Activities. --- and one has this instruction THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND:   sudo apt install software-properties-common apt-transport-https wget ca-certificates gnupg2 ubuntu-keyring -y
[20:27] <zzz> /usr/bin/python3  /usr/bin/python3.10  /usr/bin/python3.10-config  /usr/bin/python3.5  /usr/bin/python3.5m  /usr/bin/python3-config
[20:27] <zzz> matsaman: ^
[20:27] <morgan-hp> The 3 that agree use the command:  $ wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
[20:28] <matsaman> morgan-hp: why do you need a particular version?
[20:29] <matsaman> morgan-hp: should probably go with chromium-browser
[20:32] <sarnold> zzz: try : for l in /usr/bin/python* ; do ldd $l ; done -- see if you've got missing libraries or loaders
[20:32] <morgan-hp> I have been using chromium for several days and its dedication to opensource means that I ALREADY have found that places I like to go are unavailable.  I apprecialte your opionion even if it is stated as a should" with no reasons or backing to your opinion.
[20:33] <matsaman> IIRC there is a dselect you can use to set 'python', but, I couldn't tell you why it would be unset in a way that would confuse your system
[20:33] <zzz> morgan-hp: chromium prevents you from going plcaes?
[20:35] <sarnold> morgan-hp: whatever page you found that on is old; installing apt-transport-https hasn't been necessary for years, ca-certificates should be installed everywhere already, and gnupg2 isn't necessary to just add the chrome key to your sources keys..
[20:35] <matsaman> just very generally, I would say it's a thorough waste of time to put time & effort into packages that aren't within the distro's official repo
[20:35] <matsaman> because you're going to be relying on really bad upstream binaries
[20:35] <matsaman> and *when* upstream stops building them, where will you be
[20:37] <morgan-hp> ok so not appropriate. (but do tell me what "upstream binries" means, please.
[20:41] <morgan-hp> thanks, sisnce I have become aware that it is better (more stable/protected) to install with snap I have started to install everything with snap. (just reformated my desktop, upgraded this lappy)
[20:41] <matsaman> google is upstream, firefox is upstream
[20:41] <morgan-hp> I noticed that activites listed quite a few programs but nowhere listed hexchat. Can I ask why?
[20:41] <matsaman> they're the origin of the software
[20:42] <matsaman> a binary is a compiled or ready-to-use package of software
[20:42] <matsaman> most .deb's will be binaries
[20:42] <matsaman> but a .deb from google is an upstream binary nonetheless
[20:42] <morgan-hp> yes, I have been aware of that for decades - but you had no way of knowing that.
[20:42] <matsaman> most .deb's available via your package manager will have been built by trusted Debian & Ubuntu package maintainers
[20:42] <matsaman> had no way of knowing what?
[20:42] <morgan-hp> but not chrome?
[20:43] <matsaman> chromium is in the repos
[20:43] <matsaman> it's easier to build, there are fewer questions
[20:44] <morgan-hp> matsaman, had no way of knowing I know what a binary file for a program is.  I used to write and compile fortran.. and look at the assembly version and so I knew what a binary file was from the waywayback.
[20:44] <matsaman> okay, well you asked what 'upstream binaries' were
[20:44] <matsaman> part of that is binaries =)
[20:45] <morgan-hp> Yes, I should look up the differences between chrome and chromium.
[20:45] <matsaman> I'm not sure there are many differences of note at this time
[20:45] <matsaman> as far as feature parity
[20:45] <zzz> morgan-hp: before you choose to install *everything* with snap, you should conisder its drawbacks
[20:45] <morgan-hp> Thank you for the clarification that chrome keeps itself away from canonical.
[20:47] <matsaman> I have to say, snap is ridiculous, and doomed to fail
[20:49] <morgan-hp> matsaman, wow. How can I find out about that, like reasons. Do you have a webpage to link me to?
[20:50] <morgan-hp> so the alternative is just to install with apt?
[20:50] <matsaman> .deb's are the alternative, they are the historic norm
[20:50] <matsaman> you would use dpkg/apt-get/apt to install them, yes
[20:51] <matsaman> canonical has this history of trying to have these unique systems they get people to buy into
[20:51] <matsaman> and they always fail
[20:51] <matsaman> and so will snap, especially since it's also an insecure, buggy steaming pile
[20:51]  * arraybolt3 points at Launchpad
[20:52] <zzz> snap has its place, but its place is often in the corner
[20:52] <matsaman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchpad_(website)#Users quite the list of users /s =P
[20:52] <matsaman> seven, oh my
[20:52] <matsaman> stable release 11 years ago?
[20:52] <matsaman> I would not be surprised if that is accurate
[20:53] <arraybolt3> matsaman: I'm saying, Launchpad works good and lots of people use it. At any rate, this is somewhat offtopic, and also, all of the official Ubuntu flavors use Launchpad.
[20:53] <matsaman> zzz: honestly, if I wanted to run a whole FS from an upstream, with complete trust, like a fool, I don't need 'snap' to do it
[20:53] <matsaman> arraybolt3: no, lots of people do not use it, not compared to alternatives
[20:53] <matsaman> hardly anybody does
[20:54] <zzz> matsaman: ok i found that the easy solution to my problem is python-is-python3. apparently *some* (cough certbot cough) packages reference unversioned python when they *should* *not*
[20:55] <matsaman> zzz: =)
[20:55] <sarnold> "you get to pick which set of python scripts break"
[20:55] <matsaman> it's nice to have 'python' set anyway
[20:59] <gordonjcp> ewww, certbot
[20:59] <gordonjcp> zzz: are you using LetsEncrypt certs for web servers?
[21:05] <zzz> gordonjcp: i am
[21:06] <gordonjcp> zzz: I got tired of that nonsense and now don't bother, instead preferring to stick the whole sorry mess behind traefik and let that cope with LE's API
[21:07] <gordonjcp> zzz: I still have problems but they're much more fun ones now
[21:07] <EdFletcher> "I got 99 problems but at least they're fun"
[21:07] <gordonjcp> something along them lines
[21:07] <EdFletcher> 😜
[21:08] <gordonjcp> not getting texts like "hey the forum is down, something about expired things"
[21:08] <zzz> 99 problems sounds like an off-by-one error
[21:08] <EdFletcher> zzz: hahaha
[21:08] <EdFletcher> "It's always some mundane detail!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGHaVn5rGo
[21:10] <gordonjcp> zzz: I got 99 problems, but a null-terminated string ain't one{l="#n6rVkLh}a3n:f^NJI
[21:19] <zzz> i got -9223372036854775808 problems but an integer overflow ain't one
[21:22] <applecuckoo> ping
[21:22] <zzz> pong
[21:23] <applecuckoo> Hmm,  I thought ubottu was supposed to complete that for me.
[21:23] <arraybolt3> applecuckoo: !ping is what to use.
[21:23] <arraybolt3> !ping
[21:24] <applecuckoo> So that's how it works, thanks arraybolt3!
[21:24] <applecuckoo> !ping
[21:24] <arraybolt3> A ping just went through, so it probably ignored it.
[21:24] <applecuckoo> Okay.
[21:24] <applecuckoo> !hi
[21:25] <arraybolt3> That probably gave you a PM saying that the !hi factoid was not found.
[21:25] <applecuckoo> It just PM'd me saying hi doesn't exist
[21:25] <applecuckoo> Yes!
[21:25] <arraybolt3> You can PM the bot if you want to play with it without filling up the channel.
[21:25] <leftyfb> applecuckoo: do you have an actual ubuntu support question?
[21:25] <applecuckoo> Ah, no.  I need to do this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:56] <zzz> ok, so...
[21:56] <zzz> sudo: unable to execute /usr/local/bin/certbot: No such file or directory
[21:56] <zzz> but also
[21:57] <zzz> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root      384 Oct 30  2018 certbot*
[21:58] <zzz> this is /usr/local/bin/
[21:58] <zzz> i don't get it
[21:59] <sarnold> zzz: try ldd /usr/local/bin/certbot and see if you can spot a missing library or loader
[22:07] <nekostar> GreetZ - who can i talk to about canonical pay per role?
[22:07] <applecuckoo> Thanks everyone, just curious. I just use irc.au.libera.chat since I'm in that particular area, so no I'm not interested in connecting directly.
[22:07] <applecuckoo> Whoops, wrong channel
[22:17] <zzz> jesus christ i solved it
[22:17] <zzz> the internet is broken
[22:17] <sarnold> put it back together again!!
[22:17] <zzz> we need a new internet
[22:19] <arkanoid> I was interested in moving my embedded project to ubuntu core, util I read that it is required to give out the ssh key to remote access it to Canonical.
[22:19] <arkanoid> I am quite baffled by reading this requirement
[22:21] <sarnold> default passwords are bad, ssh keys are good
[22:21] <arkanoid> I understand that system files comes from canonical and they can give access to the whole system at any time, if they want to, but asking me the my ssh key without even trying to hide the intention is a joke
[22:21] <hays> Every time I need to do so
[22:22] <arkanoid> sarnold: doesn't matter how secure the tech is, if you give the access to others
[22:22] <hays> Something with certbot I have to reremember everything and usually there have been changes
[22:24] <sarnold> arkanoid: how would it do that?
[22:24] <arkanoid> They don't even explain why they need my ssh key. The snap repository is accessible without credentials (it works on Ubuntu server out of the box)
[22:24] <sarnold> arkanoid: you're putting your *public* key into launchpad, not the private portion
[22:25] <hays> Also kind of funny is that ARM64 Ubuntu was built with Linaro gcc 7.5
[22:25] <VMGuy23> whats that
[22:26] <hays> Its a gcc for embedded arm devices. Just interesting to run that on an M1
[22:26] <hays> Didn’t have to cross compile for this boa
[22:26] <hays> Board I’m working on
[22:29] <arkanoid> sarnold: I'm sorry and you're right. It's the public part that is moving, not the private. My fault, it was not clear from the documentation
[22:31] <sarnold> arkanoid: itm ight be worth a bug report on that page, look way at the bottom for a "report a problem on this page" or "report a bug on this page", most canonical web sites have one
[23:05] <zzz> arkanoid: do *not* share your private key
[23:06] <arkanoid> zzz: that is obvious
[23:06] <zzz> i've seen a lot
[23:38] <cbreak> many secrets have been exposed by people committing private keys, or private URLs, or secret shared keys, or similar
[23:39] <matsaman> that would be my guess
[23:39] <matsaman> people like to think they magically make your setup more secure