[01:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:19] <murmel> does somebody know when normally the next kernel gets into the lts (not release but -edge). hoping to get the 5.19 kernel so my modem works ootb
[07:19] <wez> EVening lotuspsychje!
[08:36] <guiverc> murmel, Ubuntu 22.04 will get the kernel from kinetic, but work on that doesn't really start until after kinetic is released as 22.10  (it's available first as -edge)
[08:37] <murmel> guiverc: sure, was just trying to figure out, when to expect that kernel in the -edge "branch" as having a modem in a laptop with no real way to use is quite annoying. especially I hoped to be able to use it for the upcomming ubuntu summit
[08:38] <murmel> but as I also use zfs, I really don't want to use the mainline kernels :S
[08:39] <guiverc> murmel, if I wanted a clue; I'd likely look back to when 5.8 (from 20.10) reached 20.04; but I'm not on my primary box which would have that detail in logs & i could look up quickly sorry
[08:40]  * guiverc doesn't watch kernel releases very closely (except when I need to) to doesn't really know; just wouldn't expect to see it until week+ after 22.10 release
[08:41] <murmel> guiverc: ahh if it's that close after 22.10, great :)
[08:41] <murmel> yeah who really tracks which packages get into a release :x
[08:43]  * guiverc only interest in that kernel is when it hits ISOs for 22.04.2 QA purposes;  i'm not expecting that for weeks
[08:43]  * guiverc adds and that is MANY weeks
[13:28] <ogra> hey guys
[13:29] <gelaarzdegast> Hi!
[13:29] <murmel> .
[13:38] <jilocasin> morning all.
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> jilocasin murmel wez gelaarzdegast cry0xen go ahead and discuss yourselfs silly here
[13:39] <jilocasin> does anyone know of a AVD (rdpw) client for Linux?
[13:39] <jilocasin> Azure Virtual Desktop (AVD)
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu: maybe^
[13:41] <cry0xen> @lotuspsychje: sure cause i want my linux journey to succeed this time. :)
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> cry0xen: did it fail last time?
[13:44] <cry0xen> yeah. badly. however i didnt had the time to play with it. 
[14:05] <JimBuntu> I do not know of a client for Linux. lotuspsychje jilocasin 
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:06] <jilocasin> JimBuntu: thanks for checking.
[14:07] <jilocasin> No AVD client for Linux, dropping the Teams client for Linux, I think we can all look forward to a return of the Linux antagonistic Microsoft.
[14:09] <JimBuntu> I think the idea on their side is something like... "just use Win and WSL"... kind of funny though, spin up the IE ISO that MS supplies for free and install the client there, lol, HOST->VM->CLIENT->VM
[14:18] <jilocasin> JimBuntu: you're probably right, all you need to do is pay the MS tax and enjoy a sub-standard Linux experience.  Gee, where do I sign up? ಠ_ಠ
[14:49] <hggdh> in fact MSFT is working hard on Linux
[14:57] <ogra> well, and they (kind of) own systemd now 
[15:35] <hggdh> ogra: indeed... :-)
[16:59] <matt3> hello, please help ...
[17:00] <matt3> green is not a primary color => it is yellow + blue ...
[17:01] <matt3> so primary colors are = blue + yellow +  red
[17:01] <matt3> ;D
[17:02] <leftyfb> what does this have to do with ubuntu?
[17:03] <matt3> we have to change every os from rgb to ryb
[17:03] <leftyfb> matt3: RGB are the primary colors of light
[17:03] <matt3> no
[17:03] <leftyfb> yes
[17:04] <matt3> green = ?
[17:04] <leftyfb> light, not print
[17:04] <matt3> same
[17:04] <leftyfb> false
[17:04] <matt3> np, i apologize ...
[17:04] <leftyfb> BYR are primary colors for pigment 
[17:05] <leftyfb> :/
[17:06] <ogra> weird one ...
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> he trolled here before
[17:06] <ogra> i dont mind good trolling ... especially here 🙂 
[17:07] <ogra> that just wasnt ...
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[17:07] <arraybolt3> OK but really... this question drives me crazy. One of my books told me that RGB was primary, the other one RYB, and both said it was for light and pigment...
[17:08] <arraybolt3> The closest I ever saw to something making it make sense was the Krita manual saying that RGB was for light, and CMY for pigment, which made sense, but still disagreed with what I learned before.
[17:08] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: https://science.howstuffworks.com/primary-colors.htm
[17:09] <leftyfb> most of us learned about BYR in elementary school because we were coloring in coloring books and painting with acrylics. 
[17:09] <ogra> arraybolt3, light colors (RGB) are additive towards white ... the more you add the brighter ... paint colors (RYB) are the opposite, the more you add the darker it gets 
[17:10] <arraybolt3> That's the answer I've always been told, but the *why* never made sense to me.
[17:11] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: pigments aren't light, they're reflections and change color based on chemical/physical material
[17:11] <ogra> you mean adding more paint getting darker vs adding more light and getting brighter doesnt make sense to you ? 
[17:11]  * ogra finds that pretty logical 
[17:11] <arraybolt3> Ah, found it!
[17:11]  * ogra reverts his opinion ... 
[17:12] <arraybolt3> "It turns out that if we use three primaries, the best ones to use are cyan, magenta and yellow," <-- that's what Krita said and it's what leftyfb's article says.
[17:12] <ogra> the trolling wasnt that bad ... it stirred an interesting discussion in the end 🙂
[17:12] <arraybolt3> So red and blue are just close enough to magenta and cyan to work in pigmentation... that explains a lot.
[17:13] <leftyfb> but then there's contrasting colors which I think is the same for light and pigmentation :)
[17:13] <ogra> then you are in CMYK world 
[17:14] <leftyfb> pretty sure that's just human aesthetics though
[17:15] <arraybolt3> See, CMYK vs RGB makes sense. It's RGB vs RYB that confuses the sap out of me.
[17:15] <arraybolt3> So if RYB is just wrong and CMYK is correct for pigments, that solves everything.
[17:15] <arraybolt3> That solves a mystery I've had since early childhood and still didn't know the answer to correctly until today. And I'm an adult...
[17:16] <leftyfb> "In RYB you might remember that no matter how much of each color you add to the tempera pot, the color will always be a muddy brown, that is the reason why printers use pure black as one of the colors in the CMYK Color Space."
[17:16] <ogra> so it is like religion for you ?
[17:16] <arraybolt3> ogra: ?
[17:17] <ogra> searching for an answr for your whole life to find the solution to the mystery ...
[17:17] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure CMYK is really only used in the printing world. Nothing to do with primary colors really and I don't think applies to creating pigmentation with paints
[17:18] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure the entire purpose of CMYK is to generate black as opposed to brown
[17:18] <ogra> yeah, CMYK is simply beter for being able to adjust contrasts and depth 
[17:18] <ogra> *better
[17:18] <ogra> withoout actually changig the coloring in itself
[17:19] <leftyfb> https://www.color-meanings.com/different-color-models-ryb-rgb-cmyk/
[17:19] <leftyfb> it doesn't apply to paint because to get black, you just use a black pigment based off of whatever material black pigment comes from 
[17:20] <leftyfb> at least that's my take :)
[17:20] <arraybolt3> OK, thanks for letting me go entirely off-topic here, that was fun to finally figure that out.
[17:23] <ogra> well, send flowers t our troll 🙂
[17:23] <ogra> *to
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:24] <cry0xen> need help to permanently configure mono audio output in PIPEWIRE
[19:31] <arraybolt3[m]> cry0xen: #ubuntu might have help with that, or if you use Ubuntu Studio, #ubuntustudio would be a good place to ask.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: As Ubuntu Studio doesn't use Pipewire, please don't redirect pipewire questions there.
[19:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Oy, right, sorry. Got confused due to the bit about Pipewire questions in there earlier.
[19:34] <cry0xen> anyone here use easyeffects
[19:35] <cry0xen> i was able to get a temporary fix using effects l+R
[19:35] <cry0xen> now i need to make it permanent
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> !support | cry0xen