[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I wrote that, I don't have a smartcard to test with, but I saw multiple reports in the support rooms about smartcard problems, which were solved by installing a non-Snap version of Firefox.
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: ^
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or at least I know one of the times the problem was solved by installing a non-Snap Firefox, I don't remember what happened the other time(s).)
[00:08] <tsimonq2> The issue to watch out for is directly related to confinement though, yes?
[00:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I don't know. I'd assume so since an unconfined Firefox just worked.
[00:10] <arraybolt3[m]> If it should be removed since we don't have a ton of info on it, that's fine. I thought that, of all the cons of Snap Firefox I've noticed or seen reported, that seemed like the most important one.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> Just some rewording needed, no worries. I can try a bit later?
[00:12] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Might be worth noting that Lubuntu still uses PulseAudio (does it still use PulseAudio?), since the common release notes mention the switch to PipeWire.
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, it mentions Ubuntu Desktop specifically, nvm
[03:05] <tsimonq2> TODO figure out a list for moving to Pipewire 
[03:21] <arraybolt3> Another thing I'd like to tackle for next cycle is figuring out how to set up openQA.
[03:23] <tsimonq2> Where can we create a list? Phab is deprecated and notes.lubuntu.me has ACL issues every other week...
[03:23] <tsimonq2> I think we need a wiki replacement/Kanban solution of some kind... that's been my hesitation 
[03:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Shared Google doc?
[03:24] <arraybolt3[m]> DM me your Gmail, I'll set up a doc and hand you edit privileges.
[03:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: ^
 sorry I missed this I had a few busy stressful weeks and then ended up redoing the screenshots for installation and libreoffice after ending up a bit behind
 I just noticed lots of things changed on lximage prefrences
 "TODO figure out a list for..." <- I don't think the transition will be too bad but I agree we need to put it on the list. 
[15:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: You around? The floodgates are opening :)
[16:03] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[16:45] <kc2bez[m]> I see someone marked us as ready. Thank you.
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> WE DID IT! Wow. I will never look at Ubuntu the same way again, seeing how much effort goes into it. Glad to be done with this cycle, looking forward to the next one!
[17:00] <RikMills> Good things don't come easy ;)
[17:25] <kc2bez[m]> Thank you for joining our team arraybolt3 
 Thanks to all who contributed this cycle ..
 https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-releases-ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu
 "Thank you for joining our team..." <- Thank you for having me!
 "I see someone marked us as ready..." <- Me :)
[18:44] <tsimonq2> I'll make sure all our notes are published when I get to the office in <10 minutes
[18:44] <tsimonq2> Please keep me up to date if there's anything you've already done. Thanks
 stable of the manual is now out as well  even with the correct hashes for the final version
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> Me :)
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> > I'll make sure all our notes are published when I get to the office in <10 minutes
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> > Please keep me up to date if there's anything you've already done. Thanks
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> I have just been watching so far but if you need something from me just let me know. 
[19:05] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: No worries, thanks
[19:47] <tsimonq2> I'm making the executive decision to add a statement regarding the DKMS issue. Should be all published before 3-3:30 Central US TIme
[19:48] <kc2bez[m]> That makes sense to me.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> (As always, I'm transparent because I want to make sure my rationale is sound. If you have a major objection, sound the alarm.)
[19:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: I was thinking of adding something like that but didn't want to do something that drastic without your permission, so for you to be doing it is actually great news to me.
[19:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: For future reference, the RM should publish the release announcement, so they can give it a final look-over for something like this. It would have been easier to ask for forgiveness instead of permission in this case.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> (Should, not must, I'll note.)
[19:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense to me 👍️ (but I *never* live by "easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, can go too wrong too easily most of the time)
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Fair enough :)
[19:52] <arraybolt3[m]>  * Makes sense to me 👍️ (but I _never_ live by "easier to ask for forgiveness than permission", can go too wrong too easily most of the time)
[19:53] <tsimonq2> In this case, they're only release notes... and they are a draft... and you do have access... so don't feel like you need to ask permission is what I'm saying :)
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> They are editable too. I trust you though and preemptively give you permission for whatever that is worth.
[20:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, thanks.
[20:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Whenever you're done writing the thing about DKMS, is it OK if I look at it before it's published? I handled the bug for hours trying to figure out what was going on and working with the release team on it, so I might catch something that would otherwise be missed.
[20:03] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Certainly.
[20:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Oh hey did you want that shared Google doc for recording our notes and goals for LL?
[20:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: As a short-term solution we should use notes, I was asking generally for a long-term solution :)
[20:13] <tsimonq2> (Replace CodiMD with HedgeDoc?)
[20:14]  * arraybolt3[m] hides
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Or Git.
[20:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I'm +1, the goal would be to allow *everyone* to edit it, though. :P
[20:15] <tsimonq2> (Within the scope of the project.)
[20:16] <kc2bez[m]> HedgeDoc is great for notes and whatnot. I think we need something for task tracking though.
[20:17] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Criteria: open source, kanban-like, ACLs that aren't a pain, looks like it was made sometime after 2010
[20:17] <tsimonq2> That is either a really narrow or really wide net :P
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> kanban?
[20:18] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I agree with that criteria but I don't know what that product is at this time. 
[20:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: lmgtfy.com >:P
[20:19] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Work board like project layout. Kanban is pretty cool. 
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh cool, I see it!
[20:21] <kc2bez[m]> Honestly, "seeing" it is one of the best features. 
[20:25] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Heya, how does the manual re-pointing process look these days? Is there anything I can help you with?
 https://www.deviantart.com/sylviaritter/art/Kinetic-Kudu-933747978
[20:29]  * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4710b323cec17565686678afca473e4428fb069e
[20:30] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: ^^^^^^^^
[20:30] <tsimonq2>  * ```markdown... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2eac1c0e2ad3053aaf480f4abb3769bc5d989d2a>)
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I can see a couple of things that don't look quite right, one moment...
[20:32] <tsimonq2> go fir it
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, I made an error, hold on...
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: How's this:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1197d934ab9c9b3ffab521a1615e1fadd0960a21>)
[20:35]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1c17d874e6f0a447b2c827dfa4b411c7ee384c28
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> ^ better
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> One more revision...
[20:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (I keep noticing things I wish I had worded differently :P)
[20:36] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I think this is good.
[20:36]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/05cd8d4a984184227ad96b644a60b3c3a80321b2
[20:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry to keep changing my mind over and over :P
[20:37] <tsimonq2> You're okay, I think this is a good iteration, thanks :)
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb: Thank you! You and Chris were awesome with the testing.
[20:53] <tsimonq2> I'll be sending out an email shortly expressing my gratitude :) but just know you were appreciated as well Leo, thanks for all you do!
[20:55] <tsimonq2> For transparency...
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Contents of https://notes.lubuntu.me/WV_ANNcCS0-9gk9kn2k-Bw?edit were saved to `release_notes.md`...
[20:55] <tsimonq2> `$ markdown release_notes.md > release_notes.html` <-- Just had to install the package, available in the archive
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Pasting `release_notes.html` directly into the blog post
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Indeed :)
[20:58] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/kinetic-released/ uploading download page before it propagates
[21:00] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ please double check links, propagating now
[21:00] <tsimonq2> k, checking images too...
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Both links are working for me.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> Thanks :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> Fixing image links in the release notes before propagating
[21:01] <tsimonq2> (Can't ref an img not on the WP server? prob security, Just Fixing)
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, Plasmashell just hung...
[21:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Or at least part of it.
[21:02] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Sorry about that. 
[21:03] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: no worries
[21:03]  * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cdf455a74aa34707f10b83844cc37c9021b7b0c2
[21:03] <tsimonq2> ahhh needs a newline in between title and items whoops
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, untangled Plasmashell! Woot, no reboot needed. I <3 Linux for letting stuff like this work. :)
[21:05] <tsimonq2> stupidly-formatted lists fixed, thanks Markdown renderer
[21:05] <tsimonq2> now to finishing images and propagating
[21:06] <tsimonq2> okay final call, how does it look? https://lubuntu.me/kinetic-released/
[21:06] <tsimonq2> bahhhhhhhhhhhh I missed a weird list... I'll propagate after fixing that and fix any other non-glaring issues as they come up :)
[21:07] <tsimonq2> okay okay for real this time
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Love the release notes!
[21:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: this is why I wasn't roasting you too bad about editing your Matrix message, 'cause, well, I was about to do the same with the release notes 🤣
[21:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Thank you!
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, we get each other.
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Roberalz: Telegram Web froze on me... is there any way you could continue forwarding the announcement message to all l10n channels?
[21:16] <tsimonq2> ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[21:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Krita can do some cool things!
[21:23] <tsimonq2> ✅ Facebook... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/daaef6ca3bb46a3bc511da05184268ac2129e7eb>)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha Discourse is still using wxl's created key to auth with GitHub
[21:28] <kc2bez[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> ✅ Facebook... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0d803e22c595b760c0279449120d636b656c1e5d>)
[21:28]  * arraybolt3[m] will take on r/Ubuntu
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Just send me what text you want me to put in.
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Or I can write it myself if that's what I'm supposed to do.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Just post the link I'd say, no body text :)
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍️
[21:29] <Roberalz[m]> In telegram I have forwarded to all channels
[21:30] <tsimonq2> I did the same for Discourse. I'm avoiding cross-posting the release text this cycle, to enforce Lubuntu.me as a single source of truth for our information. Historical reasons. :P
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like a plan.
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> This link, right? https://lubuntu.me/kinetic-released/
[21:31] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: sends arraybolt3 to the wolves 😜
[21:31] <tsimonq2> The only Linux news agency that had my initial draft was 9to5linux, because historically I have a gentleman's agreement
[21:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: yeah 😆
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Posted. (I can take Reddit's attacks no problem. I do it for fun.)
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh hey, how do I get my Ubuntu Member flair on Reddit?
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Now it will come in handy.)
[21:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Hmm, last time I did it, was through the info on the Benefits page for Ubuntu Members
[21:33] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I was fine with it at first... give it a few releases of randoms on Reddit completely s******* all over it and I think you'll feel the same. Just not my circle...
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, wish I had done that first.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> (*ESPECIALLY* the "ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!1111 snaps are evil")
[21:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, followed the rules, let's hope they do it soon-ish.
 "In telegram I have forwarded..." <- By the way, since I don't want to forget... thank you for that :)
[21:37] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: do you have edit privileges here? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kinetic-kudu-release-notes/27976
[21:38] <tsimonq2> Hmm, no clue. Let me see
[21:39] <kc2bez[m]> It should probably point to our release notes. sil2100 has done it for me in the past.
[21:40] <tsimonq2> On it
[21:41] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: yep
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (Are we expected to respond to the kill-the-snaps-with-fire people? Not that I don't want to, just want to know what I'm expected to do here.)
[21:52] <tsimonq2> My plan is to take 5, do some minor housekeeping for $dayjob, and then write my longemail to -devel regarding 22.10 success/vision for next cycle, I'll keep you guys posted
[21:53] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nope, not expected to respond to them with your own words, the rationale for getting it right the first time in the release announcement was to tell those people to stfu :P
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> see: We recommend consulting the Snapcraft Forums with any issues related to Snaps in general.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:56] <tsimonq2> I guess, I wanted to give off the impression that we're only listening to valid arguments
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> So if someone has a legitimate concern about Snaps, that would be something to respond to, but if it's the archetypical "Ubuntu is spyware, adware, bloatware, will cause your PC to light on fire, 0/10 would not recommend", we can just say "Not my problem, talk to these guys (or better yet, don't)".
[21:58] <arraybolt3[m]> *minus the (or better yet, don't) part
[21:58] <tsimonq2> I think you catch my drift :)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Even as Release Manager, I won't tell you what you can and cannot say in your own capacity. I live in the United States, and at least here one of our core values is Freedom of Speech.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> I will tell you that if you're speaking on behalf of the project, you should make sure your opinion is agreed-upon before pressing the send button.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> That's as far as I go there :)
[22:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (I could be really silly and give them a link to a Windows 11 ISO if they do that :P)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> bahahahahaha
[22:01] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> Even as Release Manager, I won't tell you what you can and cannot say in your own capacity. I live in the United States, and at least here one of our core values is Freedom of Speech.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b46e0c98e56d0d27c20f002ddf5f06781359f92c>)
[22:02] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: (If it is in your own capacity, it would be incredibly witty. :P)
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, if they get fiery enough, I might try it then. :D
[22:04]  * tsimonq2 takes 5 - I don't think I have any more info to provide to the channel right now, but I'll post my ML link when I'm done :)
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋 Thank you so much for everything!
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Of course :) thank you!
[22:17] <tsimonq2> hey looks like [ade] liked the release announcement post :D
[22:20] <guiverc> we don't know what ll is yet do we?
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Thank you :D
[22:25] <arraybolt3> guiverc: The Libera-to-Matrix bridge is slow to all get out today. You might want to switch to Matrix.
[22:25] <arraybolt3> To the best of my knowledge, LL is still a mystery.
[22:26]  * guiverc noticed it slow this morning; I just referred to 23.04 as ll on https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/manual-links-currently-available-22-04-lts-22-10-stable/3242/ (why I asked)
[22:27] <guiverc> we normally don't hear name for awhile... my usual bump to devel is normally ~30 hours post-release; kinetic was slower than most and closer to 50 if I recall... as no primary PC, I can't bump anyway currently