| ari88 | I just installed Xubuntu 22.04 and the Software app is showing in the Updates tab "OS Updates" and "Requires restart". When I click on "Restart and Update" - nothing happens. It loads for a few seconds and then stops. Clicking on "Update" or "Restart & Update" does nothing. I tried restarting anyway - but nothing changes. The "OS Updates" in the | 00:31 |
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| ari88 | Updates tab is still there with the same issue. Is this a bug or am I perhaps doing something wrong? I am new to Linux. Thank you. | 00:31 |
| arraybolt3 | ari88: Odd, what version of Xubuntu are you on? | 00:32 |
| ari88 | Hello arraybolt3, I installed Xubuntu 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish" | 00:32 |
| arraybolt3 | ari88: Can you run "sudo apt update" in a terminal? | 00:33 |
| arraybolt3 | I don't need to see what it outputs, just tell me if it says "All packages are up to date" at the bottom or not. | 00:34 |
| ari88 | I ran "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt full-upgrade" before and it gave me: "The following packages have been kept back: | 00:36 |
| ari88 | libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsedsp pulseaudio | 00:36 |
| ari88 | pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-utils sudo | 00:36 |
| ari88 | 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 7 not to upgrade." | 00:36 |
| arraybolt3 | ari88: Looks normal to me (yes, held back packages are normal). | 00:36 |
| arraybolt3 | ari88: OK, can you run "ls /boot | nc termbin.com 9999", and send the link that outputs? | 00:36 |
| arraybolt3 | Then do "uname -r" and paste the output of that command in the chat. | 00:37 |
| ari88 | When I click on the "OS Update" in the Software app for details - it shows those same packages | 00:37 |
| ari88 | okay one sec | 00:37 |
| arraybolt3 | (Note that it's usually a bad idea to paste large amounts of data from a terminal into IRC, it can trigger a flood prevention bot. You can use a pastebin service like https://bpa.st to circumvent that problem.) | 00:37 |
| ari88 | (sorry - thanks, will do that next time :) ) | 00:38 |
| ari88 | here's the link that outputs: https://termbin.com/63zq | 00:38 |
| ari88 | and the output of the other command you suggested: 5.15.0-52-generic | 00:39 |
| arraybolt3 | Huh. Then this does indeed sound like a bug in the Software app. | 00:39 |
| arraybolt3 | Maybe it's not adapted to phased updates. I'll try to reproduce this issue. Thank you! | 00:40 |
| arraybolt3 | For now, your system is up to date, so you can ignore the fact that the Software app is telling you that you're not. You can update your system by running "sudo apt update" followed by "sudo apt full-upgrade" in a terminal. | 00:40 |
| ari88 | I have 8GB of RAM on this old laptop and the Xubuntu OS turned out to be a lot slower than I expected...which is why I thought the OS Update might be the reason behind it | 00:41 |
| arraybolt3 | What's your laptop's CPU? | 00:41 |
| ari88 | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz | 00:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Also is it using an SSD or an HDD? | 00:42 |
| ari88 | SSD | 00:42 |
| arraybolt3 | (re Intel Core 2 P8600) Yikes, a Core 2 Duo?! That's why it's slow. It used to run Windows Vista I'm guessing? | 00:42 |
| arraybolt3 | I think that thing will probably be slow with any modern OS, sadly. | 00:43 |
| ari88 | Is that why you think it's slow? I have no idea tbh if it used to run Windows Vista, it's just an old Thinkpad x200 laptop | 00:43 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah, Intel Core 2 Duo's are from 2006, older even than Intel Core 1st Gen. | 00:44 |
| arraybolt3 | And Intel CPUs are currently at Core 13th Gen. | 00:44 |
| arraybolt3 | If you wanted to try a different OS to see if it would be any faster, you could try Lubuntu, it's a bit lighter than Xubuntu, but not much. I wouldn't expect it to do much, sadly. | 00:45 |
| arraybolt3 | I'd also definitely de-Snap Firefox on that machine, that might help performance some. | 00:46 |
| arraybolt3 | Or better yet, switch to a different (lighter) browser entirely. | 00:46 |
| ari88 | By "de-snap" do you mean uninstall Firefox from Xubuntu? I had high hopes for Xubuntu and would like to try and make it work before hopping to another distro (Puppu Linux was going to be my last resort). | 00:48 |
| ari88 | *Puppy | 00:48 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, so actually, I'm using terminology that might be unfamiliar. | 00:48 |
| arraybolt3 | There's two package managers in Ubuntu - apt and Snap. | 00:49 |
| arraybolt3 | apt packages integrate deeper into the system and are faster, while Snap packages are confined for safety and are slower. | 00:49 |
| ari88 | Opera browser was supposed to be "light" but it seems to lag even more than Firefox | 00:49 |
| arraybolt3 | Firefox is installed as a Snap on Ubuntu 22.04 and all flavors (including Xubuntu). | 00:49 |
| arraybolt3 | However, there is also an apt package of Firefox available, which may work faster. | 00:49 |
| ari88 | I see what you mean, makes a lot of sense to distinguish between apt and snap. | 00:50 |
| arraybolt3 | Though the performance problems with Firefox in a Snap package should have been resolved, so it might not help much, if at all. | 00:50 |
| ari88 | I always thought it was my meager 8GB of RAM that made this laptop slow...it surprised me when you said it was the Core 2 Duo | 00:53 |
| arraybolt3 | If you want to install Firefox as a non-Snap package, you can use this guide (it's for Lubuntu but it should work for Xubuntu as well). It doesn't use a Firefox apt package, instead using a binary package from Mozilla. It automatically updates. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-install-firefox-non-snap/3222 | 00:53 |
| arraybolt3 | 8 GB of RAM is actually pretty good. Even 4 GB is livable. | 00:54 |
| arraybolt3 | And especially with Xubuntu, 8 GB of RAM should be very usable. But a slow CPU will throw a wrench in those works. | 00:55 |
| Bashing-om | ari88: I run a xubuntu spin on a dual core Athlon - with slimjet as my browser - does quite well. | 00:55 |
| arraybolt3 | (Note with the guide above, you should probably download the Firefox tarball **before** uninstalling the Firefox Snap package, otherwise you will have a very hard time downloading the tarball :P) | 00:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Bashing-om: Slimjet? I've never heard of that before, sounds promising. Where is that? | 00:56 |
| Bashing-om | arraybolt3: A chromium spin-off. https://www.slimjet.com/ | 00:57 |
| arraybolt3 | Ugh, proprietary software. :( I mean, I guess if it works it works, but... | 00:58 |
| Bashing-om | arraybolt3: Just 'cause I avoid snaps :) | 00:58 |
| ari88 | arraybolt3, thank you for so kindly providing the guide and recommending a non-Snap Firefox package. With that line of thinking, does this mean that I should avoid Snap if I want programs/apps to run better/faster on Xubuntu? | 00:59 |
| arraybolt3 | I definitely would. In fact, to reduce load on the CPU, I'd uninstall snapd entirely. | 00:59 |
| ari88 | Bashing-om, will definitely look into slimjet. Thank you. | 01:00 |
| ari88 | Would uninstalling Snap limit access to apps, etc? | 01:00 |
| arraybolt3 | ari88: Only a small amount. Most everything you'll ever need is in ubuntu's repos and can be installed with apt. | 01:01 |
| arraybolt3 | The times Snap is absolutely necessary are very few and far between, maybe even nonexistent. | 01:01 |
| ari88 | Will removing Snap also remove the apps I already downloaded through it? | 01:03 |
| arraybolt3 | Yes. Did you download any Snaps intentionally? Run "snap list | nc termbin.com 9999", then send the link, that will show us what Snaps you have installed, and we can see if there are non-Snap equivalents. | 01:04 |
| arraybolt3 | (It might not *remove* the Snaps you installed, but it will likely make them stop working to remove Snap.) | 01:04 |
| ari88 | https://termbin.com/o38m | 01:04 |
| ari88 | i can only recognise opera, telegram and firefox on that list | 01:06 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, you don't need Opera, and you have Firefox under control. You can get a binary of Telegram directly from Telegram's website. | 01:06 |
| ari88 | i'm ready to jump ship from opera, i was surprised at how slow it was on Xubuntu (almost unusable) | 01:06 |
| arraybolt3 | All the other stuff just looks like Snap system stuff and dependencies. | 01:06 |
| ari88 | nice | 01:07 |
| ari88 | okay - very happy to ditch snap...thank you so much for this fantastic suggestion. i'm willing to do whatever it takes to speed up this old bastard. | 01:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Hey, before you uninstall Firefox, if you use the password manager, get your passwords saved somewhere else! | 01:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Another thing, what graphics hardware are you using? | 01:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Is it using Intel integrated graphics, or some sort of really old NVIDIA chip? | 01:08 |
| arraybolt3 | (Or something else entirely?) | 01:08 |
| ari88 | ▪️Device: Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub | 01:08 |
| ari88 | ▪️Model: Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller | 01:08 |
| arraybolt3 | Nice. | 01:08 |
| arraybolt3 | (Ancient NVIDIA graphics can be a pain, but old Intel stuff should be OK as far as I know.) | 01:09 |
| ari88 | the Screen Res is 1280 x 800 | 01:09 |
| arraybolt3 | Also here's the place to get the non-Snap Telegram: https://desktop.telegram.org/ | 01:09 |
| ari88 | that's reassuring that you think the Graphics Card isn't a contributor to the sluggish performance | 01:09 |
| ari88 | okay - i'm gonna get to work on implementing all of your suggestions, honestly can't thank you enough for them. i'll be hopping back here if i run into any issues but seems straightforward enough for a noob like me :) | 01:11 |
| arraybolt3 | Sounds good. I just remembered a guide I saw for speeding up old systems, lemme try to dig it up... | 01:11 |
| arraybolt3 | Hmm, that guide actually looks dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, so start with that, and we'll dig into other tricks if necessary. | 01:12 |
| ari88 | haha a guide for speeding up old systems sounds perfect, but i wouldn't want to break anything by going over my head (which i've done before) | 01:14 |
| cry0xen | I am interested in that guide too. but what i understood from the experience i gathered past few days that the app environment is crucial for performance. and here the strength of linux becomes its weekness as well | 06:10 |
| cry0xen | running a qt app on a gtk based os will call for more resources | 06:11 |
| cry0xen | btw ari88 theres a real lightweight win10 if you are interested. its called tiny10. | 06:13 |
| arraybolt3 | cry0xen: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/22-04-lubuntu-on-10-year-old-hardware/3288 | 06:14 |
| cry0xen | my destop is 15 yrs older i think | 06:15 |
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| Bagira79 | Hi there, I need some help, pls. | 13:08 |
| arraybolt3 | What's gone wrong? | 13:08 |
| Bagira79 | I just updated to the newest Xubuntu lts, and it wont boot anymore. Boot repair created a log here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dGqxzF3CQK/ | 13:09 |
| Bagira79 | I had both win and xubuntu on the pc. | 13:10 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Did you try the suggested repair? | 13:12 |
| Bagira79 | Which one? Reinstall? | 13:12 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: No, boot-repair has a suggested repair that might just fix your system. | 13:12 |
| Bagira79 | Yes, I tried, but it stopped with an error. | 13:13 |
| arraybolt3 | Blah. OK, can you boot into a live ISO of Xubuntu or another official Ubuntu flavor? | 13:13 |
| Bagira79 | Im actually using the live from the install cd. | 13:13 |
| arraybolt3 | Fantastic. OK, one moment while I look some stuff up... | 13:14 |
| arraybolt3 | (This looks like it should be an easy fix.) | 13:14 |
| Bagira79 | It should be. But it isnt. Recovery mode keeps freeying for example... | 13:14 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Can you run "parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" in a terminal and send the link that spits out? | 13:14 |
| Bagira79 | Boot Repair says: GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag). This can be performed via tools such as Gparted. Then try again. | 13:15 |
| arraybolt3 | Er... "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999", I mean. | 13:15 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Yeah, let's not use Boot Repair anymore. It gave us good info, but it can't do the job itself. Thankfully with a bit more info I should be able to tell you waht commands to run to fix it manually. | 13:16 |
| Bagira79 | Warning: Unable to open /dev/sr1 read-write (Read-only file system). /dev/sr1 | 13:16 |
| Bagira79 | has been opened read-only. | 13:16 |
| Bagira79 | Error: /dev/sr1: unrecognised disk label | 13:16 |
| Bagira79 | https://termbin.com/tr7t | 13:16 |
| arraybolt3 | /dev/sr is just the CD/DVD drive, no worries there. Looking at the rest of the info now. | 13:17 |
| Bagira79 | And then there came a window saying one of the disks have been mounted... | 13:17 |
| arraybolt3 | OK so that's why boot-repair is getting confused. You want GRUB installed on /dev/sda, and it boots Linux from /dev/sdb. | 13:17 |
| arraybolt3 | Alright, uno momento por favor... | 13:17 |
| Bagira79 | No more info for your question. | 13:17 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Everything I needed was in the link. | 13:18 |
| Bagira79 | There is -was- grub working on the pc. | 13:18 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: OK, can you type the following commands, one at a time, making sure not to make any typos: | 13:18 |
| Bagira79 | ok | 13:18 |
| arraybolt3 | sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt | 13:18 |
| arraybolt3 | sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev | 13:18 |
| arraybolt3 | sudo mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts | 13:19 |
| arraybolt3 | sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc | 13:19 |
| arraybolt3 | sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys | 13:19 |
| arraybolt3 | sudo chroot /mnt | 13:19 |
| arraybolt3 | That's the end of the command list for now, lemme know when that's done. | 13:19 |
| Bagira79 | All pasted, sent by row. | 13:20 |
| Bagira79 | Visually nothing happened. | 13:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Perfect. OK, run "ls /boot", but don't paste the output from that here. Just tell me if you see files with the name "vmlinuz" in them, among other files. | 13:21 |
| arraybolt3 | Then do "ls /boot/grub" and tell me if you see a grub.cfg file in there. | 13:21 |
| Bagira79 | theres grub, vmlinuz, but no cfg. | 13:22 |
| arraybolt3 | The second command doesn't show you "grub.cfg" and "grubenv" in the output? | 13:22 |
| arraybolt3 | If so, then we may need to do a bit more mounting. | 13:22 |
| Bagira79 | ystem.map-5.15.0-46-generic initrd.img.old | 13:22 |
| Bagira79 | System.map-5.4.0-125-generic memtest86+.bin | 13:22 |
| Bagira79 | config-5.15.0-46-generic memtest86+.elf | 13:22 |
| Bagira79 | config-5.4.0-125-generic memtest86+_multiboot.bin | 13:22 |
| Bagira79 | grub vmlinuz | 13:22 |
| Bagira79 | initrd.img vmlinuz-5.15.0-46-generic | 13:23 |
| arraybolt3 | Oy... if you use a service like https://bpa.st to send large amounts of output, that will help. A flood prevention bot muted you for 60 seconds. Sorry for the inconvenience. | 13:23 |
| arraybolt3 | You can DM me if you'd like to keep going while we wait. | 13:23 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, unmuted. | 13:24 |
| Bagira79 | Youre very kind, thank you. | 13:24 |
| Bagira79 | so, there is no grub.cfg. | 13:24 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, what you showed me is normal. grub.cfg won't be in /boot, it will be in /boot/grub. | 13:24 |
| Bagira79 | Grub is working, anyway. | 13:24 |
| arraybolt3 | So "ls /boot/grub" and see if grub.cfg is in there. | 13:24 |
| Bagira79 | do you think I can send this row here< | 13:25 |
| Bagira79 | ? | 13:25 |
| arraybolt3 | If it's just one row, that should be fine. | 13:25 |
| Bagira79 | fonts gfxblacklist.txt grub.cfg grubenv i386-pc unicode.pf2 | 13:25 |
| arraybolt3 | Nice. OK, one moment while I put together the final "fix it" command... | 13:26 |
| Bagira79 | >/( | 13:26 |
| Bagira79 | :) | 13:26 |
| arraybolt3 | Try "grub-install /dev/sda" and tell me what happens. | 13:27 |
| Bagira79 | This live uses a primitive keyboard setting, I cant find anything. | 13:27 |
| Bagira79 | What does it do? | 13:27 |
| arraybolt3 | If it gives any error messages, pastebin them and we'll see what I missed. | 13:27 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: It reinstalls the GRUB bootloader onto your first disk. | 13:27 |
| arraybolt3 | You have three disks, the first of which almost certainly houses your bootloader which is now broken. This will install it again, probably fixing the issue. | 13:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Actually, I see /dev/sdc houses the bootloader currently, but that's of little consequence. | 13:29 |
| Bagira79 | Installation finished, no error occured. | 13:29 |
| arraybolt3 | Nice. Now let's do "update-grub". | 13:29 |
| arraybolt3 | That will make sure that the configuration file has all of the data to boot all of your operating systems. | 13:29 |
| Bagira79 | this will take a while... | 13:29 |
| arraybolt3 | If you can pastebin the output from that command so I can make sure it worked as expected, that would be awesome. | 13:30 |
| Bagira79 | done | 13:30 |
| Bagira79 | Fond everything. | 13:30 |
| Bagira79 | found | 13:30 |
| arraybolt3 | Nice. OK, then in that instance, reboot and see what happens! | 13:30 |
| arraybolt3 | You may need to set whatever drive /dev/sda is as your primary boot drive in the BIOS. | 13:31 |
| Bagira79 | I have to thak you for being so kind. It is not the atmosphere I got used to here - past times. | 13:31 |
| arraybolt3 | Happy to help! Thank you for using Xubuntu! | 13:31 |
| Bagira79 | best wishes | 13:32 |
| Bagira79 | Re | 13:34 |
| arraybolt3 | o/ | 13:34 |
| arraybolt3 | Worked? Failed? | 13:34 |
| Bagira79 | Worse than what it was. | 13:34 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, what went wrong? | 13:35 |
| Bagira79 | Error: symbol 'grub disk_native sectors' not found | 13:35 |
| Bagira79 | I'm from my mobile now. | 13:35 |
| arraybolt3 | ...? OK that's weird. I've never seen that error before. | 13:35 |
| * arraybolt3 googles | 13:35 | |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Maybe your system is still trying to boot from /dev/sdc. Can you get into the BIOS? | 13:37 |
| Bagira79 | Sure | 13:37 |
| arraybolt3 | OK. One moment... | 13:37 |
| arraybolt3 | Set your *other* Samsung disk at the top of the boot order in the BIOS. | 13:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: ^ | 13:40 |
| Bagira79 | Grub's okay now, thanks | 13:40 |
| arraybolt3 | \o/ | 13:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Can you boot into all your systems? | 13:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Xubuntu, Win7, 8, 10? | 13:40 |
| arraybolt3 | If so, you're done! | 13:40 |
| Bagira79 | I could. | 13:40 |
| Bagira79 | Actually I'm trying Xubuntu. | 13:41 |
| arraybolt3 | I'd try them all just to make sure we didn't break anything. | 13:41 |
| Bagira79 | No. Same fault. | 13:41 |
| arraybolt3 | Error message? | 13:41 |
| Bagira79 | A lot of mtd devices that must be supplied (device name is empty) | 13:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh. OK, so the kernel is loading. | 13:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Something else is broken then. | 13:42 |
| Bagira79 | It stopped. We're in emergency mode. | 13:42 |
| arraybolt3 | OK. What's the error messsage there? | 13:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Gave up waiting for root device? | 13:42 |
| Bagira79 | 12.431741] mtd device must be supplied (device name is empty) | 13:43 |
| arraybolt3 | (The mtd device errors shouldn't stop boot, but they are oftentimes the last error to appear before a boot failure, so they look desceptively like they're causing the boot failure when they're not.) | 13:43 |
| Bagira79 | And four more devices with the same. | 13:44 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, if you're at the initramfs prompt, let's try to get to a desktop. Can you do "ls /dev/sd*" and tell me if you see sda, sdb, and sdc in there? | 13:44 |
| Bagira79 | Okay, I pressed ctrl+d | 13:44 |
| Bagira79 | It became very slow. | 13:44 |
| arraybolt3 | Whenever it drops you to a shell (if it does that), we can try to debug it. | 13:45 |
| Bagira79 | Just hanging on.... | 13:45 |
| Bagira79 | Another mtd dev message. Stopped | 13:46 |
| Bagira79 | Another ctrl d | 13:46 |
| Bagira79 | Red message | 13:46 |
| arraybolt3 | If it tells you to press Enter for maintenance, do that rather than Ctrl+D. | 13:47 |
| Bagira79 | Failed to start default target: transaction for graphical.target/start is destructive | 13:47 |
| arraybolt3 | Ouch, that sounds bad. | 13:47 |
| Bagira79 | ... | 13:48 |
| Bagira79 | Always this is the last message. | 13:48 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, what happens if you press Ctrl+Alt+F3 at this point? | 13:48 |
| arraybolt3 | If you're lucky, it should give you a console login prompt. | 13:48 |
| Bagira79 | Blank screen... | 13:48 |
| arraybolt3 | Shoot. Not lucky then. Uh... ok. I guess shut it down and lets boot back into the live CD. | 13:49 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. Which one? I've got both the 20 and 22.04 | 13:50 |
| arraybolt3 | Let's use the 22.04 one. | 13:50 |
| Bagira79 | See you there | 13:50 |
| arraybolt3 | I found something hopeful! | 13:50 |
| arraybolt3 | See you in a bit! | 13:50 |
| Bagira79 | Let's see. My mobiles still here. | 13:51 |
| arraybolt3 | It looks like possibly something messed up your /etc/fstab file, according to this: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/currently-supported-releases/kubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hippo/software-support-aa/657810-failed-to-start-default-target | 13:51 |
| arraybolt3 | And fstab files are easy to fix. | 13:51 |
| Bagira79 | ...for you.. | 13:51 |
| Bagira79 | 😉😏 | 13:51 |
| arraybolt3 | Well that's fine because I'm here. | 13:51 |
| Bagira79 | You know I'm not a Linux expert, unfortunately. I'm rather a user. | 13:52 |
| arraybolt3 | (I've fought with boot problems related to GRUB and fstab so many times I've almost gotten used to it. This would probably terrify the sap out of me if it was my first time, and it took me days the first time to figure it out so I feel you.) | 13:52 |
| Bagira79 | What does fstab do? | 13:53 |
| arraybolt3 | fstab contains info that Linux uses to decide what disks to mount where. | 13:53 |
| arraybolt3 | It basically says "ok this partition goes on root, and this is the swap partition, and this is where /boot goes if it's separate, and..." stuff like that. | 13:53 |
| arraybolt3 | There's probably a stray entry in there that is trying to mount something that doesn't exist. | 13:54 |
| arraybolt3 | At least that's my hope. | 13:54 |
| Bagira79 | It's a blame that it came with updating to the new version. | 13:55 |
| Bagira79 | The cd's still booting....⏳ | 13:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Right? Upgrades seem to be a large source of woe in the Linux world. I've never gotten up the bravery to try to do it on my own machine yet :P | 13:55 |
| Bagira79 | Lol | 13:55 |
| arraybolt3 | I always clean install, but I always run only Linux single-boot setups so... | 13:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Upgrades should just work, but it seems like there's a certain threshold of complexity at which they just fall over and splat all over the ground. | 13:56 |
| Bagira79 | Why can't I reinstall without losing my data? | 13:56 |
| arraybolt3 | Only because Xubuntu doesn't support it, I believe. Lubuntu actually does support a reinstall without wiping data. | 13:57 |
| Bagira79 | I see. | 13:57 |
| arraybolt3 | (Still, it's a good idea to always back your data up before attempting a reinstall just in case something goes horribly wrong.) | 13:57 |
| Bagira79 | Lol | 13:57 |
| Bagira79 | It keeps saying now that the NTFS disks can't be mounted due to their unsafe state. | 13:59 |
| arraybolt3 | Probably not a problem. | 13:59 |
| Bagira79 | This CD always says, anyway | 13:59 |
| arraybolt3 | NTFS partitions that don't get cleanly unmounted end up not being mountable by Linux until you mount them in Windows (usually by booting into Windows). And you might have fast startup on Windows 8 and 10, which may exacerbate the problem. | 14:00 |
| Bagira79 | And it doesn't ask if I want to either install or try xubuntu. Just comes a live session. | 14:00 |
| arraybolt3 | (There might be a way to "fix" them without having to boot into Windows, but you have Windows and just booting it will do the trick, so no problem.) | 14:00 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: That's... odd. Where did you get the ISO from? | 14:01 |
| Bagira79 | But it'd take another hours... | 14:01 |
| Bagira79 | It's original. | 14:01 |
| arraybolt3 | We probably won't have to reinstall. We'll try everything else first. | 14:01 |
| Bagira79 | The ISO is original. Torrented. | 14:01 |
| * arraybolt3 adds that to the list of odd Linux behaviors I've witnessed this morning | 14:01 | |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah, sounds like everything's right then. | 14:02 |
| Bagira79 | Still waiting | 14:02 |
| arraybolt3 | Not sure why it's not popping up the Try/Install Xubuntu screen, but whatever. Not a problem. | 14:02 |
| * arraybolt3 loves the fact that in the Linux world, having a torrented ISO is actually a good thing | 14:03 | |
| Bagira79 | There was something "failed", but was too fast to read. | 14:03 |
| arraybolt3 | (Or at least in the Ubuntu world.) | 14:03 |
| Bagira79 | Nah.. Done | 14:03 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: I'd guess that would be "Failed to start Snap daemon", due to the slow boot possibly. Also of no consequence for now. | 14:03 |
| arraybolt3 | OK, so you're in? | 14:04 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. Booting is done. | 14:04 |
| arraybolt3 | Nice. Alright, let's start with "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" so I can make sure I have your disk IDs right. | 14:04 |
| Bagira79 | BRB phone | 14:04 |
| Bagira79 | Re | 14:06 |
| Bagira79 | I can't open the web browser. | 14:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Yep, that's the failed Snap system for you. | 14:07 |
| arraybolt3 | Don't worry about that for now. We just need the terminal. | 14:07 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. Pasted. | 14:07 |
| arraybolt3 | (Probably the slow boot or something just timed out Snap and that's why the browser is wonky. Thankfully this shouldn't be a problem on the installed system once it's fixed.) | 14:08 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Uh... can I have the link from that command? | 14:08 |
| Bagira79 | ? | 14:08 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: The "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" command should have output a link. | 14:08 |
| arraybolt3 | I need that link so I can see your disk IDs and stuff like that. | 14:09 |
| Bagira79 | I can't resend. It was in the previous live session. | 14:10 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: No problem. Just run the command again. | 14:10 |
| arraybolt3 | "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" | 14:10 |
| Bagira79 | In which, for a change, I could finally use Firefox.. | 14:10 |
| arraybolt3 | That will show me how your system has assigned the disks on *this* boot. Sometimes they can change between boots. | 14:10 |
| arraybolt3 | (In fact, I've had changes between boots mess me up before, thus why I want to make sure I know what the disk IDs are for this boot for sure so I don't give bad commands.) | 14:11 |
| Bagira79 | It sees the 3 different physical disks and the CD. | 14:12 |
| Bagira79 | re. Managed to start firefox | 14:13 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh nice. | 14:13 |
| Bagira79 | so... | 14:14 |
| Bagira79 | It found 2 boot disks. | 14:14 |
| Bagira79 | sdb1 and sdc1 | 14:15 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: If you just run the exact command I show, it will give me specifics that will help me know exactly what I'm doing. Otherwise I have to guess, and guesses are not safe. | 14:15 |
| Bagira79 | sudo parted -l l nctermbin.com 9999 | 14:16 |
| arraybolt3 | Yep. But space between the "nc" and the "termbin.com". | 14:16 |
| Bagira79 | it was the command, wasnt it< | 14:16 |
| arraybolt3 | Yes. | 14:16 |
| arraybolt3 | Running that will output a link, seeing just that link will tell me everything I need to know. | 14:16 |
| arraybolt3 | (The command runs "sudo parted -l", which outputs a bunch of drive data. The "|" pipes it to another process, and "nc termbin.com 9999" saves it in the termbin pastebin. Then when you send me the link, I see the output of the command.) | 14:17 |
| Bagira79 | I cant find any links here... | 14:17 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Are you connected to the Internet? | 14:17 |
| Bagira79 | sure | 14:17 |
| * arraybolt3 grumbles at the hardware | 14:17 | |
| arraybolt3 | OK. Well you got Firefox to open? | 14:18 |
| Bagira79 | Its in use | 14:18 |
| arraybolt3 | If so, just run "sudo parted -l", copy the output from that, open https://bpa.st in Firefox, and paste everything there. | 14:18 |
| arraybolt3 | Then tell it to pastebin the data, and then send me the link from that. That will do essentially the same thing. | 14:18 |
| Bagira79 | https://bpa.st/download-archive/6FHA | 14:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Alright. Thank you! OK, let's do "sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt". | 14:21 |
| arraybolt3 | Then "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that spits out (or however else you'd like to send the contents of /mnt/etc/fstab). | 14:21 |
| arraybolt3 | That will let me see if there's an entry in there that doesn't belong. | 14:21 |
| Bagira79 | https://termbin.com/u9x17 | 14:22 |
| arraybolt3 | Hmm... I think I see the culprit. | 14:23 |
| Bagira79 | ? | 14:23 |
| arraybolt3 | # /windows was on /dev/sda2 during installation | 14:23 |
| arraybolt3 | UUID=FC79-7F86 /windows vfat utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 | 14:23 |
| arraybolt3 | ^ that partition doesn't actually exist. | 14:23 |
| arraybolt3 | And it looks an awful lot like a flash drive (notice the vfat filesystem and 8-digit UUID). | 14:23 |
| arraybolt3 | So, can you do "sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab"? | 14:24 |
| arraybolt3 | That will let us edit the file. | 14:24 |
| arraybolt3 | Then just put a # sign in front of the line I mentioned, so that it reads "# UUID=FC79-7F86 /windows vfat utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1". | 14:24 |
| arraybolt3 | That will comment it out, so that it gets ignored, without deleting it entirely just in case it's important. | 14:24 |
| Bagira79 | where is the hashtag on this keyboard?? the old qwerty | 14:26 |
| Bagira79 | okay, found | 14:26 |
| arraybolt3 | Nice. Now just press Ctrl+S to save, and Ctrl+X to close. | 14:26 |
| Bagira79 | done | 14:26 |
| Bagira79 | Are you sure that that partition doesnt exist? | 14:27 |
| arraybolt3 | Well it says vfat, and all of your 2 partitions on your disks are not FAT. | 14:27 |
| arraybolt3 | "/windows was on /dev/sda2 during installation", so I would expect to see a 2 partition on one of your drives that was a FAT filesystem. | 14:28 |
| arraybolt3 | One of them is a swap partition (not fat), and the other two are NTFS partitions (not fat), so looks like the partition doesn't exist to me. | 14:28 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. | 14:28 |
| Bagira79 | Now, should I reboot< | 14:29 |
| Bagira79 | ? | 14:29 |
| arraybolt3 | That's what I'd do at this point. | 14:29 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. Many thanks again. | 14:29 |
| arraybolt3 | Sure thing! Thanks for bearing with me! | 14:29 |
| Bagira79 | Re | 14:34 |
| Bagira79 | Okay, arraybolt3[m], I'm sending you a big friendly hug from Hungary. | 14:36 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: \o/ Congratulations! | 14:36 |
| Bagira79 | Thank you. | 14:36 |
| Bagira79 | Just one question. | 14:36 |
| arraybolt3 | Thank you for reporting back the success! It's always happy when stuff like this ends in everything working. | 14:37 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah? | 14:37 |
| Bagira79 | The icons of the disks are missing from the desktop. | 14:37 |
| arraybolt3 | That's probably an unrelated problem due to the upgrade. | 14:37 |
| Bagira79 | Only the "own folder" icon is shown. | 14:38 |
| arraybolt3 | You might be able to find an option to turn them back on, but I don't know enough about Xubuntu to know where to find that (everything we just did is Ubuntu stuff that isn't Xubuntu specific). | 14:38 |
| Bagira79 | :-) | 14:38 |
| arraybolt3 | Can you still see the other disks in Thunar? | 14:39 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh, this might be that weird problem where it said it couldn't mount NTFS things. | 14:39 |
| arraybolt3 | Try booting into all your Windows installations and then boot back into Xubuntu, see if that fixes it. | 14:39 |
| Bagira79 | I had to turn them visible in desktop settings. | 14:39 |
| Bagira79 | I always have to mount every disks after booting. Can't it boot with all of them mounted? | 14:41 |
| arraybolt3 | Possibly. | 14:41 |
| * arraybolt3 does some digging | 14:41 | |
| arraybolt3 | I have a Xubuntu virtual machine right here that I can look at to see if what you're saying is possible. | 14:42 |
| Bagira79 | Thanks | 14:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Hmm. OK so there *is* a way to automatically mount those drives, but it will require more fiddling with fstab. If you'd like to try that, we can do it, but if that sounds too risky at this point, I'd say just leave it like it is. | 14:45 |
| arraybolt3 | (If anything goes wrong, we can fix it, but it may require booting into a live ISO again.) | 14:45 |
| Bagira79 | Haha, okay, let's leave it then. | 14:46 |
| arraybolt3 | K. Glad you've back up and running! If anything else goes wrong, don't hesitate to come back! | 14:46 |
| arraybolt3 | (Or if there's anything you need help doing, we're here too!) | 14:46 |
| Bagira79 | Thank you very much! | 14:46 |
| Bagira79 | What's the time there now? | 14:47 |
| arraybolt3 | 9:47 AM over where I'm at. | 14:47 |
| arraybolt3 | (Central US, Central Daylight Time.) | 14:47 |
| Bagira79 | Nice. It's 4:47 pm here in Hungary. Europe. | 14:48 |
| Bagira79 | gmt+2 | 14:48 |
| arraybolt3 | Heh, always fun to be able to chat across the distance of the world in real time. | 14:48 |
| arraybolt3 | (Er... you know what I meant to say. I phrase things wrong all the time.) | 14:48 |
| Bagira79 | As far as I understand it's okay... ;-) | 14:49 |
| arraybolt3 | +1 | 14:49 |
| Bagira79 | My English teacher in the high school was born in Virginia. | 14:49 |
| Bagira79 | You know how they used to behave in the Hungarian Ubuntu chat? | 14:51 |
| arraybolt3 | No, never been in there before... | 14:51 |
| Bagira79 | "Why don't you leave us chat, google is your friend..." | 14:52 |
| arraybolt3 | Ugh. I hate that. These things aren't easy to Google unless you know what you're doing. I know, I used to have my dad Google stuff for me and the result were... wow. | 14:53 |
| arraybolt3 | Glad I can Google for myself now :P | 14:53 |
| Bagira79 | Yeah. I respect that they know more. Then show me! | 14:53 |
| arraybolt3 | I remember vividly all of the hair-pulling, teeth-gritting, near-crying moments I've had fighting with Linux. Being on this side of it is happy, but it was a tough trip, and I still have far to go. | 14:54 |
| Bagira79 | hm | 14:55 |
| arraybolt3 | Helping others get through stuff like that without wanting to beat up the computer is fulfilling and fun for me. | 14:55 |
| Bagira79 | That's rare nowadays. | 14:55 |
| arraybolt3 | (I tried to do a bunch of advanced stuff when I didn't know what I was doing and so broke things incessantly when I was starting. I kinda wish I hadn't done things that way, but another part of me likes that I did.) | 14:56 |
| Bagira79 | You only get to know where the border is, when you've passed it. | 14:57 |
| arraybolt3 | I don't get why it's rare, but I do see that it is in some chats. If people don't want to give tech support, then *WHY* are they in a tech support room as a tech supporter?! If you want to show off, go over to #linux, not #ubuntu and the related channels. | 14:58 |
| arraybolt3 | Anyway, at least in the English-speaking Ubuntu tech support rooms, things seem to be relatively nice. | 14:58 |
| arraybolt3 | As a hint, you can use the /whois command in IRC to see if someone is likely to be trustworthy or not. If someone's saying mean things to you and they /whois as a nobody, they probably can be ignored. | 14:59 |
| Bagira79 | Thanks to my -mentioned- English teacher I can chat here, lol... | 14:59 |
| arraybolt3 | If you /whois me, you'll see something like this: | 14:59 |
| arraybolt3 | [09:59] [Whois] arraybolt3 is ~arraybolt@ubuntu/member/arraybolt3 (Aaron Rainbolt) | 14:59 |
| arraybolt3 | The "ubuntu/member/arraybolt3" part is a cloak given only to trusted Ubuntu Members who help work on the OS, so people with that ID on them should be trustworthy and should hopefully treat you good. | 15:00 |
| Bagira79 | I used to use irc about 23-25 years ago. But had forgotten a lot about the commands. | 15:00 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. Sorry, I should restart the machine, finished with the updates, and will try the Win. | 15:01 |
| arraybolt3 | There's also a list of known-trusted people in here you come to know after a while of being here, some I remember off the top of my head are sarnol_d,tomrey_n,ravag_e,Unit19_3, and lotuspsychj_e. | 15:01 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: No problem. | 15:01 |
| arraybolt3 | (I misspelled all of their nicks to avoid pinging them, but those are people I see around here a lot and know are trusted.) | 15:02 |
| Bagira79 | Well, hope not to see you again - I mean in technical topics... | 15:02 |
| Bagira79 | Well, hope not to see you again - I mean in technical topics... ;-) | 15:02 |
| arraybolt3 | Also, I like that you were in the habit of asking what commands do. One day that will save you when a troll pretends to be a tech supported and tells you to run "sudo rm -rf /"! | 15:02 |
| arraybolt3 | Bagira79: Hope everything keeps working! | 15:02 |
| arraybolt3 | (That command is the "delete everything on your computer" command, don't run it.) | 15:03 |
| Bagira79 | :-D | 15:03 |
| Bagira79 | Thank you! Best wishes! | 15:03 |
| arraybolt3 | Anyway, I won't keep you any longer than you want to be here. Glad everythings working! | 15:03 |
| arraybolt3 | o/ | 15:03 |
| Bagira79 | Okay. stay good... | 15:03 |
| xu-help28w | hi! i'm ferdinando from milan, italy...i use xubuntu about 2-3 years and i satisfied from performance and from ubuntu package and open software by my interest(programming, some graphics with gimp and watch video) but, i read and install new rust based kernel 6.0 and i really don't understand how xubuntu pick that kernel, but the various upgrade of | 17:09 |
| xu-help28w | the internal kernel 5.19 and so on..how they manage and why don't update the 6.0 | 17:09 |
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| xubuntu14d | Heya guys! I've just joined the team (previous Kde user on different machine). | 21:54 |
| xubuntu14d | I've spent quite some time installing my stuff on my new machine with xubuntu 22.04, but then I've realised that, choosing -- dunno myself why -- "minimal" during installation process, I've lost quite a lot of the initial application material. | 21:55 |
| xubuntu14d | Is there anyway to get it all back without reinstalling once again? | 21:55 |
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