[00:00] <nickgaw> Hi, Is there an equivolent of sid for debian in ubuntu?
[00:02] <sarnold> nickgaw: the 'development release' is probably a close match
[00:02] <sarnold> nickgaw: it doesn't actually exist at the moment, because it was just turned into an actual release :) but hopefully it'll open up again sometime next week
[00:02] <nickgaw> Will I have to keep upgrading like updating sources.list or once I am on the development release will I just stay there?
[00:04] <SandyVujakovi[m]> On that note, how stable is the development channel on average?
[00:06] <Habbie> nickgaw, it looks like 'devel' is a dist on the mirrors at least
[00:06] <Habbie> it currently describes itself as DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu Kinetic Kudu (development branch)"
[00:07] <jhutchins> Linus from Scratch is nice because you have immediate access to the latest packages, you don't have to wait for all that silly "testing" and delays in packaging.
[00:07] <jhutchins> Why wait for somebody else to package it for you?
[00:07] <nickgaw> True I was just asking about the development branch to see if it exists.
[00:08] <nickgaw> One of my systems has Debian testing on it can I convert it to ubuntu successfully without losing any of my personal data?
[00:08] <bougyman> jhutchins: because "people who package it for you" watch for dependency breakage between versions of software and libraries.
[00:08] <bougyman> That's what the testing is for.
[00:08] <jhutchins> nickgaw: Back up the data and do the clean install.  There's no migration path from Debian to Ubuntu.
[00:09] <bougyman> To ensure installing the edge version of something doesn't break something else.
[00:10] <nickgaw> Then I won't upgrade or switch that system I was just wondering if there was a mygration path from Debian to Ubuntu.
[00:11] <jhutchins> nickgaw: Not really.  It's a clean install.
[00:12] <nickgaw> Does Canonical sell physical systems with Ubuntu on them?
[00:12] <bougyman> Canonical isn't a hardware manufacturer.
[00:12] <bougyman> Certain dells ship with ubuntu.
[00:12] <bougyman> Then there's frame.work, which you can get ubuntu from the factory on.
[00:12] <bougyman> A few others.
[00:12] <Habbie> https://canonical.com/partners/desktop
[00:13] <nickgaw> System76 sells pop-OS which is like Ubuntu but different right?
[00:13] <bougyman> It uses ubuntu sources and its own sources.
[00:13] <bougyman> So yes, based on but not compatible with.
[00:14] <bougyman> I've got Pop! on one of my frame.work's just to give it a long term review.
[00:16] <nickgaw> Does the linux kernel team support the live patching of the kernel?
[00:17] <sarnold> that question is perhaps a bit too open-ended to answer ..
[00:17] <bougyman> I don't know how they could, I think that's very much distro specific.
[00:17] <bougyman> They support the facility, but the implementation is up to the kernel build (package) maintainers.
[00:17] <sarnold> the upstream developers have the mechanism in place, documented, etc, https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/Documentation/livepatch
[00:17] <nickgaw> What I mean is the ability to patch the kernel when it is running is that something that they support and promote?
[00:18] <bougyman> They built it.
[00:18] <nickgaw> I did not know that so it is not just an ubuntu thing then?
[00:18] <bougyman> No, not just ubuntu.
[00:19] <nickgaw> Can you unpatch a running kernel if you need to?
 "Certain dells ship with ubuntu." <- My Inspiron 3793 is a great example 😃
[00:19] <sarnold> though, the funny thing is, I *think* ubuntu may be the only one using the upstream kernel mechanism. oracle has their thing, red hat their thing, suse their thing, and the upstream one is like the suse and red hat ones glued together..
[00:20] <SandyVujakovi[m]> Oh 👀
[00:20] <sarnold> nickgaw: good question. probably not. module unloading isn't generally a safe thing to do. I don't see any interface for it in canonical-livepatch, anyway
[00:21] <enigma9o7> https://paste.slitaz.org/?019773d68098a4af#PhUrVs8ubMGbPQ0og12Wb86iQDYDHdcolxWYyhxoM6c=   Can anyone explain this behavior?  I don't understand why it is being held back.
[00:21] <nickgaw> Lets say I removed the kernel that was installed on this Digital Ocean cloud server and I only have the newest kernel officially supported by ubuntu can livepatch still work if no old kernel files exist at all as the packages were purged?
[00:22] <sarnold> nickgaw: yeah; livepatch 'just' loads modules that are already built for a wide variety of ubuntu kernels
[00:23] <sarnold> nickgaw: of course, not having the linux packages installed is kind of iffy, if the livepatch causes a problem and you need ot reboot, you might not have anything to reboot into
[00:23] <nickgaw> Is it ok that I purged the old kernels off of this system?
[00:23] <sarnold> yeah
[00:23] <sarnold> it's just worth keeping two or so: the one you're running, and a known good one..
[00:24] <sarnold> or perhaps the one you're running and the newest
[00:25] <sarnold> enigma9o7: maybe apt-get dist-upgrade would have also offered the same solution?
[00:25] <nickgaw> I removed all old kernels just have the new one on disk but am still running the old kernel will my system run just fine?
[00:25] <sarnold> nickgaw: probably
[00:25] <sarnold> nickgaw: if you need to do something *new* like access a network filesystem that you haven't used yet, you might miss some of the now-deleted modules
[00:26] <enigma9o7> sarnold: its in there, i tried it
[00:26] <sarnold> enigma9o7: apt-get dist-upgrade, not apt dist-upgrade
[00:26] <enigma9o7> sarnold: thats whats im trying to understand.   https://paste.slitaz.org/?a7f1dcac032cad86#Lua5srpFK8tUR4bIw6OKIxHTVGjmQ5tTnxAQtqDiB+Y= maybe more clear with spaces
[00:26] <nickgaw> Good point Do any cloud systems let you download the hard drive of your server for backup purposes?
[00:26] <enigma9o7> ohhhh ok
[00:27] <enigma9o7> I'm mainly trying to understand why apt is doing it, as I can force install it myself anyway, although that messes up that its a dependency of something else
[00:27] <sarnold> nickgaw: maaaaaybe; though it might not always be so easily exposed
[00:27] <enigma9o7> but anyways, apt-get does t he same thing as apt, just confirmed
[00:28] <sarnold> enigma9o7: we've seen *so* many bug reports on upgrades when apt-get dist-upgrade tries to remove packages that are vital to a system.. apt upgrade (and maybe) apt dist-upgrade   won't uninstall packages as part of the problem solving, to try to avoid removing something vital
[00:28] <sarnold> enigma9o7: hmmmmmm. maybe apt full-upgrade ? a lot of folks like that and I never figured out what it does different than apt-get dist-upgrade, or the other choices
[00:38] <nickgaw> Does do-release-upgrade ask you before it does anything to the system?
[00:39] <oerheks> it tells you your ppa's  and 3rd party sources will be disabled..
[00:39]  * znullptr[m] sighs; bugs bugs and more bugs 
[00:39] <oerheks> and you made a backup of your precious data...
[00:41] <znullptr[m]> is there a way to make dolphin refresh?
[00:41] <znullptr[m]> not in context menu and it is a stale view of fs for sure
[00:42] <znullptr[m]> changing directory and going back doesn't do anything
[00:42] <oerheks> f5 perhaps, reload folder?
[00:42] <znullptr[m]> ah yeah i should have checked menu or figured it matched browser refersh
[00:43] <znullptr[m]> sad that it should be needed
[00:43] <oerheks> dunno, perhaps a huge number of files
[00:44] <znullptr[m]> 4
[00:53] <enigma9o7> I was underthe impression full-upgrade and dist-upgrade were the same thiing.  In any case, same result, that one package held.  I'm more interested inunderstand why apt is holding it back, like what commands or logs or what I can look into to try to understand why its holding it back.
[00:53] <enigma9o7> I undrestand why upgrade wont work, cuz upgrade only works if  nothing has to be removed, but dist-upgrade/full-upgrade is supposed to allow that
[00:54] <enigma9o7> And since when I try to install the new version manually it doesnt show any real problem, I dont get why it wouldnt do it as an upgrade.  Just wnana understand better.
[01:03] <rfm> enigma9o7, probably a phased upgrade.  Run "apt-cache policy <package thats being held>".
[01:04] <enigma9o7> Thats the first thing shown in my paste....
[01:06] <enigma9o7> Unless you mean apt-cache being different from apt, but I just verified, its not.
[01:07] <nickgaw> How do I fix the issue of ubuntu-minimal package not found by do-release-upgrade?
[01:08] <enigma9o7> sudo apt update
[01:08] <fisso> Hi. Sorry if this question is misplaced. I downloaded and ran a distro i found on distrowatch called: kodaki. I ran it on live on a usb pen drive. I later found out that the project is only kept by one person and I became suspicios that it might be malware. It is open source and I downloaded the ISO from sourceforge. Does that make it safe from being malware? Could it have spreaded to my drives? I became afraid and decided to
[01:08] <fisso> reinstall my linux mint, so i downloaded a new image, burnt on the same usb pen, formatted my main SSD and reinstalled it on there. The problem is that I have another disk. If it was malware it coudl've spread there. I also had to use the same usb pen and burn it on the same computer that I used to run this distro. Should i be afraid that I have malware on my computer now or am I safe?
[01:09] <enigma9o7> there are quite a few "distros" where its just one person made their own, that doesnt make it malware.
[01:09] <enigma9o7> is there anything that makes you suspicous?
[01:09] <fisso> The distro offers a free vpn without any charge, it feels like it has to get something back from me in order to be free
[01:09] <enigma9o7> But spread to your other drive, well depends on the other drives permissions I guess.
[01:10] <fisso> I was able to mount it using the live boot pen
[01:10] <enigma9o7> I think yer just paranoid.  And technically, this is official ubuntu support channel, not figuring out weird distros stuff, maybe try #linux
[01:10] <nickgaw> What is this distribution's web site?
[01:11] <fisso> sorry
[01:11] <fisso> https://www.digi77.com/linux-kodachi/
[01:11] <sarnold> nickgaw: sudo apt install ubuntu-minimal
[01:11] <fisso> found on distrowatch
[01:11] <enigma9o7> Unless youhave national secrets on your machine, I wouldn't worry, unless something actually behavesweird.
[01:12] <enigma9o7> The odds of a distro listed on distrowatch infecting another disk on your system and doing something after you install another distro over it, just sounds paranoia.  I mean not impossible.  But unlikely.
[01:12] <nickgaw> That package does not exist.
[01:13] <enigma9o7> nickaw, can you share output of `sudo apt update; apt policy ubuntu-minimal`
[01:13] <sarnold> fisso: the clear majority of distros are by one or two people and aren't intentionally malicious. it's probably fine. *however*, if it was malware, and you ran it, it could have done anything to any of your disks on the machines it was running, etc
[01:14] <fisso> Thank you, guys. My question is. Should I worry? I also reformatted and reinstalled a fresh linux distro
[01:14] <nickgaw> Unable to locate package ubuntu-minimal
[01:14] <enigma9o7> I said don't worry, bout a thing.  Every little thing, gunna be al right.
[01:14] <rfm> enigma9o7, posible that libc++1-14 libc++abi1-14 or libunwind-14 were marked manually installed?
[01:17] <enigma9o7> Nopers...
[01:17] <enigma9o7> just checked to be sure
[01:17] <sarnold> fisso: it's probably fine
[01:17] <nickgaw> What should the main ubuntu mirror line look  like for 20.04 the main one that should be enabled for do-release-upgrade to work properly?
[01:23] <Bashing-om> nickgaw: Mirrors are synced - should not matter what mirror you use. Wgat is the release that you are release-upgrading ?
[01:23] <Bashing-om> what*
[01:23] <sarnold> Bashing-om: the trouble is, if the upgrader falls off the rails because ubuntu-minimal isn't installed, it'll leave the /etc/apt/sources.list in a bad state
[01:23] <Bashing-om> !info ubuntu-minimal focal | nickgaw
[01:24] <sarnold> Bashing-om: so it's more about "what are the right values to put in the file" than details of specific mirrors, etc
[01:24] <sarnold> Bashing-om: my own personal files are useless because they've got hundreds of lines and local archive mirrors, etc
[01:24] <sarnold> and passwords
[01:24] <sarnold> they shouldn't have passwords but they do
[01:27] <fisso> I mean it's also a distro i found on distrowatch and downloaded from the original author site. Apparently it gets lots of hits every day and it's been around for years. I guess someone would have found out by now? So I guess I should totally stop worrying right?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> sarnold: nickgaw::: I am presently booting jammy - I can show a stripped down working /etc/apt/sources.list file if that will help.
[01:28] <nickgaw> development
[01:28] <sarnold> Bashing-om: that'd be very helpful, yes :D
[01:30] <sarnold> fisso: with the steps you've taken you're almost certainly fine, and can stop worrying. the risks of malware are real and shouldn't be dismissed outright, but it's a fact that we're all using software written by people we don't know with their own motivations and goals, etc
[01:30] <sarnold> fisso: chances are good that it's just one enthusiast who likes doing things, and it's just fine. there's thousands of distros just like that out there.
[01:31] <sarnold> fisso: you shouldn't assume anyone else is actually looking: it's very hard to spot actual malicious code in that sort of environment. Even big bugs sit out in the open for years before being discovered. something that's malicious and well-hidden may never be found..
[01:31] <Bashing-om> nickgaw: My file: https://termbin.com/g242v :D
[01:32] <sarnold> fisso: (for example, someone replaced the NSA's backdoor in juniper's random number generator and nobody noticed for *years*)
[01:33] <sarnold> nickgaw: just swap out the 'jammy' with 'focal' on that and you're probably good to go
[01:34] <Bashing-om> nickgaw: steadfast is in Chicago USA.
[01:34] <enigma9o7> https://www.wired.com/2015/12/researchers-solve-the-juniper-mystery-and-they-say-its-partially-the-nsas-fault/ had to look into it
[01:39] <znullptr[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BZ5KrbkPnb/
[01:40] <znullptr[m]> anyone know what's going on here?  this has always worked and suddenly i'm getting errors about missing headers after upgrade to 22.10
[01:40] <znullptr[m]> stdarg.h is there, and root has no trouble building a program w. gcc using it
[01:41] <znullptr[m]> the other wasn't found,  which is ... annoying but linux-headers-generic is installed and has been enough to build other dkms modules and it in the past
[01:42] <nickgaw> Everything is upgraded to development but I did not reboot should I download everything off of this system first that I want to keep before rebooting unless something does not work?
[01:43] <znullptr[m]> doubt you'd lose it even if it doesn't boot
[01:43] <znullptr[m]> but if it's seriously critical,  you should be backing up anyhow routinely
[01:43] <sarnold>     There is no good reason to keep genhd.h separate from the main blkdev.h
[01:43] <sarnold>     header that includes it.  So fold the contents of genhd.h into blkdev.h
[01:43] <sarnold>     and remove genhd.h entirely.
[01:44] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: may try editing the source to replace genhd.h with blkdev.h?
[01:44] <znullptr[m]> hmm
[01:44] <znullptr[m]> will do
[01:45] <sarnold> the stdarg.h is weird though, that's a bit of a surprise :(
[01:46] <znullptr[m]> since it's there and works fine yes
[01:47] <znullptr[m]> and that seemed to work now i just get stdarg.h not found
[01:47] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: if rcraid came from a package in ubuntu, it's probably worth a bug report on launchpad; if it came from somewhere else, it's probably worth a report to the upstream devs, including 322cbb50de711814c42fb088f6d31901502c711a might help them out
[01:47] <znullptr[m]> it's not
[01:47] <znullptr[m]> and the dev hasn't updated it in years
[01:47] <sarnold> :(
[01:48] <znullptr[m]> it's amd raid driver tho
[01:48] <znullptr[m]> which .. you would 'think' it would be supported anyhow
[01:52] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: do you have libgcc-12-dev installed?
[01:52] <sarnold> I see that package has ./usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/12/include/stdarg.h packaged
[01:53] <znullptr[m]> `libgcc-12-dev is already the newest version (12.2.0-3ubuntu1).`
[01:53] <sarnold> dang. that was my one idea. I didn't like it much, but it's what I had, heh
[01:55] <znullptr[m]> stdarg.h is not in `/usr/include`  it's in `/usr/include/c++/$ver/tr1/stdarg.h`
[01:57] <sarnold> I think that version is only used for g++ building c++ things
[01:57] <znullptr[m]> which is why it's not working i'd guess
[01:57] <sarnold> gcc should pick up the version in the matching libgcc-$ver-dev package
[01:58] <sarnold> I don't know why yours isn't doing that though :(
[01:58] <znullptr[m]> `build-essential is already the newest version (12.9ubuntu3).`
[01:58] <znullptr[m]> that should cover all bases anyhow
[01:58] <sarnold> it should, yeah :(
[01:59] <sarnold> so.... maybe debsums -ac libgcc-12-dev  ?
[01:59] <sarnold> talk about clutching at straws, hehe
[02:00] <znullptr[m]> cat and pastebin and i'll just add it ?
[02:01] <znullptr[m]> debsums didn't do it
[02:02] <znullptr[m]>  * debsums didn't do anything / no output
[02:02] <sarnold> that means it didn't find any problems, all the files look fine
[02:03] <sarnold> here's what I grabbed from launchpad just now https://termbin.com/c9qr
[02:03] <sarnold> it's way shorter and less magical than I expected
[02:05] <znullptr[m]> yeah it's just the VA* stuff
[02:05] <znullptr[m]> oddly .. it still doesn't work
[02:07] <oerheks> all guides i read about rcraid say you need modprobe.blacklist=ahci in your grub line
[02:07] <znullptr[m]> yeah i know how to use it
[02:07] <znullptr[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cZgfT92dN5/
[02:08] <znullptr[m]> it refuses to build
[02:08] <znullptr[m]> and makefile is simple,  dkms setup ok,  the problem is a missing stdarg.h header that's now there and it still won't build
[02:08] <znullptr[m]> with the same issue
[02:09] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: oh! new idea, try: sudo opensnoop-bpfcc -x
[02:09] <nickgaw> Can I easily downgrade to stable from development and what will happen to pro if I do that?
[02:10] <sarnold> bpfcc-tools
[02:10] <znullptr[m]> that did something
[02:11] <sarnold> nickgaw: downgrades are usually not supported; individual packages can downgrade okay, but of *all* the packages that you've got installed, it's best to pretend it can't be done
[02:11] <znullptr[m]> tho what i'm not exactly sure of it's printing out a bunch of blobs from browser  config
[02:11] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: so, that will show you all the file accesses that *fail*. try to find out where this stupid thing is looking ;)
[02:11] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: now try rebuilding your dkms
[02:14] <nickgaw> So now that I refreshed my pro subscription and am on development will this license work and is it possible to remove this license from my ubuntu account if I have to restore a Digital Ocean snapshot I took before I did the upgrade?
[02:14] <znullptr[m]> i see,  not familiar with it and it's showing relative paths  ./include/stdarg.h  ./arch/x86/include/stdarg.h  and a few others
[02:15] <znullptr[m]> there's hundreds of lines of it searching for headers
[02:15] <murmel> nickgaw: you can unregister the system in cli or the webgui
[02:15] <sarnold> nickgaw: 'on devel' .. there isn't a devel at the moment, we just released kinetic as a real release and everything, hehe
[02:15] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: interesting
[02:16] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: maybe change your current working directory before starting the build?? that'd be super gross if that's what's going on
[02:16] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: I'm not surprised there's hundreds of lines though :( that -I path is bloody long when doing kernel builds
[02:16] <znullptr[m]> nah it's using brackets,  and this is it invoking the driver cc1
[02:17] <znullptr[m]> so the frontend of the compiler has changed it's path to a local one for subprocess / backend driver
[02:18] <sarnold> that's .. odd. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
[02:18] <znullptr[m]> or perhaps it's relative to the include dir i see what's happening now
[02:18] <sarnold> it does save the kernel doing a bunch of repeated lookups for /usr and then /usr/include and then /usr/lib/ and then /usr/lib/gcc/ ....
[02:19] <znullptr[m]> /usr/src/linux-headers-5.19.0-21-generic/arch/x86/include , /usr/src/linux-headers-5.19.0-21/arch/x86/include
[02:19] <znullptr[m]> so it's the header dir it's using it's relative to
[02:19] <nickgaw> Is running development safe on a cloud server if I have a full digital Ocean snapshot and all of my data backed up?
[02:20] <sarnold> nickgaw: normally servers stick to LTS releases; using a newer release is fine, but running devel is a bad idea
[02:20] <murmel> nickgaw: just be prepared that the install can always blow up
[02:20] <sarnold> nickgaw: .. unless, of course, you like filing bug reports :) in which case, those are always welcome
[02:20] <sarnold> nickgaw: but really, most people are best served by using LTS releases
[02:22] <znullptr[m]> there is a `/usr/src/linux-headers-5.19.0-21/include/linux/stdarg.h` too ;smh
[02:22] <nickgaw> This system is mainly used for a mud server so is using development ok for that type of use?
[02:22] <sarnold> nickgaw: if you don't mind a random perl upgrade breaking your system, sure
[02:22] <murmel> I also wonder, why using pro when on dev, as pro is only for LTS releases
[02:23] <sarnold> znullptr[m]: one for use by kernel modules, one for use by userspace C programs, one for use by userspace C++ programs, etc etc
[02:23] <nickgaw> the system was on LTS but I upgraded to development.
[02:23] <murmel> ahh
[02:23] <nickgaw> The mud server is written in c.
[02:23] <oerheks> you sure could run your dev on digital ocean for say 3 months.. if you are rich like Mark Shuttleworth
[02:24] <sarnold> nickgaw: perl was just an example ;) it might also be systemd, or netplan, or glibc, or whatever
[02:25] <nickgaw> Understand but is development unsupported if it breaks?
[02:26] <oerheks> no support when you are not around, nickgaw
[02:26] <sarnold> certainly there's no commercial support for it; there's an #ubuntu-next channel that tries to help folks who use it, but "support" is probably too strong a word
[02:27] <oerheks> =yeah, Pro support means we fix the CVE's for that period of time
[02:27] <nickgaw> Will unattended-upgrades help me on development?
[02:28] <oerheks> you might need to rebuild against a fresh kernel :-D
[02:28] <oerheks> maybe yes. maybe no
[02:29] <sarnold> nickgaw: yes
[02:30] <sarnold> nickgaw: well, it *can*; I thikn the default is to only install security updates. there are no security updates on devel.
[02:30] <nickgaw> So upgrades will still install on this system then?
[02:31] <nickgaw> How can I have unattended-upgrades install updates on development?
[02:31] <oerheks> All Ubuntu Pro subscriptions cover packages in the Ubuntu Main repository between End of Standard Support and End of Life
[02:31] <murmel> nickgaw: you would need to configure it. /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[02:32] <murmel> but I wouldn't enable it, I wouldn't want that the system breaks while I would do something. so controlled upgrades are imo a must
[02:32] <oerheks> indeed, also snaps
[02:33] <sarnold> Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins {
[02:33] <sarnold>         "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}";
[02:33] <sarnold>         "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security";
[02:33] <sarnold> hmmmm, maybe you don't actually have to take any steps at all
[03:45] <nickgaw> If I wanted unattended-upgrades to just install all updates provided I have a full system backup for problems how do I enable this?
[03:48] <Phr33d0m> https://linuxopsys.com/topics/ubuntu-automatic-updates
[04:10] <nickgaw> If I wanted unattended-upgrades to install all updates and not just security updates how would that line looki?
[05:15] <fisso> Hi, apologies if the question is not allowed. I'm really scared and I need an opinion\help. I Recently downloaded and flashed on an usb the distro called: Kodachi. I found it on some websites (like distrowatch for example) and it looked trustworthy. It's a live boot only distro that claims to favor anonimity. Immediately after using it for 10 minutes i started getting suspicios and decided i didn't want to use it. So i decided to
[05:15] <fisso> flash a new fresh linux mint on the same usb pen, reformatted my SSD and reinstalled linux mint on it erasinge everything. Important note, i also have another hard disk that i use for storage connected at all times. I've researched the distro after this and i'm becoming more and more scared it's a malware\honeypot. It's developed by only one individual and the environment around them doesn't look good to me. How much am I risking?
[05:15] <fisso> Is there the possibility that even changing every drive I will still have malware on my computer,if there is any? It's a high end machine and i'm considering of trashing it all because of this.
[05:18] <alkisg> Hmm, it was cut, but I already answered in #linux:libera.chat
[05:19] <SwedeMike> 1 /win 207
[05:19] <SwedeMike> oops
[06:13] <B3NI> salam
[06:13] <Mattt> No i totally understand, sometimes THC can effect a person is a negative way
[08:41] <makara__> hi. Anyone else have Gnome crashing on them in Kinetic Kudu?
[08:50] <murmel> makara__: nope
[08:55] <orangepi__> hh
[09:11] <smiles1488> hi
[09:11] <EriC^^> hello smiles1488
[09:11] <smiles1488> hello eric
[09:12] <smiles1488> hru
[09:12] <EriC^^> good thanks, you?
[09:13] <smiles1488> ok bored cant sleep
[09:14] <EriC^^> if you want to chat you could go to #ubuntu-offtopic or if you have some ubuntu issue feel free to ask here about it
[09:26] <pick> can one install multiple snaps of the same package, say Firefox stable and Firefox ESR?
[09:39] <loose> pick: https://snapcraft.io/docs/parallel-installs
[10:05] <jimserverlaptop1> hi
[10:39] <amcsi> hey, if I used full disk encryption with Ubuntu, what can I expect when problems arise and I would need to use a linux live CD to fix things with the system files? How would the procedure be to access the contents of my disk?
[10:53] <MinusSeven> Was anyone else here affected by the Optus hack?
[11:15] <faLUKE> hello. I need to update fontconfig to >= 2.4.0. The current installed version is 2.13.1-4.2ubuntu5. What's the safest way to do it?
[11:25] <loose> amcsi: you should be able to decrypt the drive and mount its partitions without any problems from within a live environment
[11:31] <mjt0k> how one specify compression used when creating .deb files?
[11:33] <tomreyn> faLUKE: nothing needs to be done. your current version is larger than 2.4.0 and thus matches your requirements.
[11:33] <tomreyn> (13 > 4)
[11:33] <sjdns> what dns resolve type does 22.10 use?
[11:34] <Gwalenn> hi, why in Ubountu, something like Chromium is only in snap ?
[11:34] <tomreyn> mjt0k: that certainly depends on how you build them. there is at least one Debian IRC channel dedicated to packaging on the OFTC IRC network.
[11:34] <sjdns> does it use systemd-resolved for instance?
[11:34] <rob0> sjdns, yes. But the backend behind that can vary.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:36] <tomreyn> Gwalenn: probably to both have a supposedly easier to manage package, and to push this packaging format as a standard.
[11:41] <Gwalenn> tomreyn, for me snap application is the same as Win applications and finally we will have library redundancy.
[11:52] <mjt0k> tomreyn: do you mean debian-mentors? :)
[11:56] <lain_> my install is acting weird, im not able to upgrade my distro or install software because downloads are crawling slow .
[11:56] <lain_> Its not that I have slow internet but i'm getting B/s in apt-get install
[11:58] <lain_> sources.list says jammy but lsb_release says
[11:58] <lain_> 20.04
[11:58] <EriC^^> lain_: pastebin the errors somewhere
[12:06] <lain_> EriC^^: this is my problem https://i.imgur.com/FenQhH7.png
[12:07] <lain_> https://i.imgur.com/V0P0meM.png
[12:07] <EriC^^> lain_: if you do "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/util-linux/bsdutils_2.37.2-4ubuntu3_amd64.deb" what happens
[12:08] <EriC^^> or try to download from firefox
[12:08] <lain_> download takes 0.05s
[12:08] <Leoneof> less
[12:08] <lain_> bsdutils_2.37.2-4ubuntu3_amd64 100%[[12:09] <EriC^^> lain_: odd are you using some proxy for apt maybe?
[12:09] <lain_> No
[12:10] <EriC^^> lain_: if you want try sudo cp bsdutils.... /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:10] <EriC^^> it should copy it there and skip it on the next apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:10] <EriC^^> in case it's something weird just about that file somehow
[12:10] <lain_> So I should manually download deb for each package ?
[12:10] <lain_> I think apt is acting weird
[12:11] <EriC^^> btw what are you doing, why does it need 1gb of stuff?
[12:11] <lain_> No its on each package
[12:11] <lain_> apt get dist-upgrade
[12:11] <EriC^^> did you change the sources.list? were you already on jammy?
[12:11] <EriC^^> type 'cat /etc/issue'
[12:11] <lain_> I did try to change sources.list
[12:11] <EriC^^> how so?
[12:12] <lain_> Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS \n \l
[12:12] <EriC^^> aha
[12:12] <lain_> I tried to change sources.list to change my mirror
[12:12] <EriC^^> that's not how you upgrade to newer versions on ubuntu
[12:12] <EriC^^> you use 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[12:12] <lain_> ok
[12:13] <lain_> It used to be dist-upgrade
[12:13] <EriC^^> anyways it still might work, not entirely sure what difference it'll make
[12:13] <EriC^^> nah, you're thinking debian
[12:14] <lain_> I think ill do apt update, then apt upgrade and then do-release-upgrade
[12:14] <EriC^^> nah
[12:16] <EriC^> lain_: sorry dc, did it install any jammy packages yet?
[12:16] <lain_> no, i dont think so
[12:17] <lain_> I think I might just reinstall everything
[12:21] <EriC^^> lain_: sorry dc, again
[12:21] <EriC^^> try "apt list | grep jammy"
[12:22] <lain_> nothing outputs
[12:22] <EriC^^> good, so no jammy packages are installed
[12:22] <EriC^^> lain_: edit your sources back to the focal ones
[12:22] <lain_> and then
[12:22] <EriC^^> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:23] <EriC^^> then from there run sudo do-release-upgrade to go to jammy
[12:24] <lain_> Still getting very slow downloads
[12:24] <lain_> Bits per second
[12:26] <EriC^^> you could try changing the mirror to us.archive or so
[12:26] <EriC^^> also see if there's some apt proxy at play in settings > network and maybe env | grep -i proxy
[12:30] <sjdns> does kinetic no longer have a "partner" repository?
[12:31] <tomreyn> sjdns: this is pretty easy to find out, really, if you know the domain name and have basic understanding of an apt repository structure.
[12:36] <tomreyn> sjdns: it seems the answer is'no'. and it actually took me a while to understand why: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-January/041816.html
[12:36] <Intelo> Hi, I had luks encrypted 256g ssd having ubuntu os (full disk encryption while I installed it initally). I shifted data of to a 1TB ssd via dd. How do I resize the luks or the utilize the full 1TB space now?
[12:38] <tomreyn> sjdns: the repository itself is hosted at http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/ - but as you can see there is no "kinetic" there, and jammy's amd64 "partner" repository is actually empty: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/partner/binary-amd64/
[12:39] <lain_> EriC^^: env | grep -i proxy shows nothing
[12:39] <tomreyn> Intelo: to resize, you first resize the partition, then the luks layer, then any layers on top of that (probably a LVM PV and LV, and a file system on the very top)
[12:39] <lain_> I tried us mirror in the past
[12:40] <tomreyn> Intelo: if you just want to use the space unencrypted, you can just create another partition (if your partition table allows for that)
[12:42] <Intelo> tomreyn https://termbin.com/5bew
[12:43] <Intelo> sdc is 256g and nvm0n1 is the 1 tb new one
[12:44] <Intelo> can you tell me exact commands?
[12:49] <sjdns> I freed about 110 MB by uninstalling old perl and python versions, but it was undone by installation of gtk4
[12:49] <lucifer> hi all! after recently dual booting my PC, i get the same error as following on startup. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2469553 the error goes away after a few secs and normal grub menu shows up. how can i remove this error? i am on ubuntu 22.10 fwiw.
[12:57] <tomreyn> Intelo: i think you should start to try and learn / understand things on your own. i'll be happy to give pointers occasionally when you get stuck, but want to see more self empowerment.
[13:04] <Intelo> tomreyn thatnks. someone guided me to use parted adn resize to 100%. Its done and works
[13:07] <tomreyn> lain_: i still think the issue is with your internet service provider. but you can try different mirrors, if you like: https://askubuntu.com/a/141536
[13:07] <tomreyn> i would slightly change the command provided there, though, to also include httpS mirror servers:
[13:08] <tomreyn> sudo netselect -v -s10 -t20 `wget -q -O- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | grep -P -B10 "statusUP|statusSIX" | grep -o -P "(f|ht)tps?://[^\"]*"`
[13:39] <tomreyn> lain_: a simpler approach for the netselect tool would be:   sudo netselect -s10 -t20 $(wget -q -O- http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt)
[14:20] <faLUKE> tomreyn: you're right
[14:20] <faLUKE> thanks
[15:25] <giu-> hi to all
[15:38] <Koopa> Hello
[15:39] <ShahNaim> yes Koopa
[15:40] <Koopa> I was really curious as to how Ubuntu has such fine grained permissions in the Settings > Applications area, and I wonder if I could make my own permissions for apps with that feature.
[15:40] <Koopa> I can't find any documentation that leans in that direction so far, or really describes how it is done
[15:41] <tomreyn> those are restrictions applied to snaps, mostly through apparmor
[15:41] <Koopa> aah, thanks!
[15:43] <tomreyn> i think there is some documentation on how to expose such permissions. ogra would know.
[15:46] <ogra> Koopa, tomreyn, well, the integration with the snap interface system is automatic, there is nothing you need to ...
[15:46] <ogra> just define th ones your app needs when building the snap and they will show up in the UI
[15:48] <tomreyn> ogra: ah so those showing up there are the permissions an app needs in addition to "the defaults", i assume
[15:51] <Koopa> It really puts ubuntu a step above for security to me.
[15:51] <ogra> tomreyn, well, not all interfaces are auto-conected (because they might be super-privileged or some such (for an auto-connection a security team review is required, not all devs request that)), so you can connect them there ... or apps might define more than they need and you, as a paranoid user want to restrict it ...
[15:53] <ogra> and it is more than apparmor ... for saps there are seccomp profiles, namespacing, cgroups and udev tagging for device nodes etc etc
[15:53] <ogra> *snaps
[15:53] <tomreyn> ogra: that's nice. or it would be, if there was accessible documentation.
[15:54] <ogra> the interfaces define them all these in fine grained manner specific to wht the interface can/should do
[15:54] <ogra> there is documentation for each single interface, but that is more developer focused than enduser ...
[15:55] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/docs/supported-interfaces
[15:55] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management
[15:55] <ogra> these two pages might give a bit of insight
[15:55] <tomreyn> Koopa: ^
[15:58] <dante> Should one upgrade from 22.04.1 LTS to 22.10?
[15:58]  * Brkcore has anyone passed copmptia A+, Sec+ and Net+? 
[15:59] <respawn> dante: 22,10 is not lts
[15:59] <Koopa> This is so cool, maybe now I will become a linux security expert!
[15:59] <pickanick> I have the same question, being new to Ubuntu (but not linux)
[16:00] <pickanick> (Should one upgrade from 22.04.1 LTS to 22.10?)
[16:00] <Koopa> I hear 22.10 has triple buffering. It might be a very smoothe experience
[16:00] <respawn> pickanick: 22.10 has support for 9 months
[16:01] <respawn> pickanick: 22.04.1 has support for 5 years
[16:02] <SandyVujakovi[m]> dante: It depends. If you want newer packages across the board, definitely. If you don't have much time right now or need your computer to definitely work in the very near future and not worry about having to troubleshoot it on the off chance that something goes awry, then hold off for a bit. If you don't want to have to upgrade every half-year roughly, then no.
[16:02] <SandyVujakovi[m]> The upgrade went well on my laptop at least and the experience so far has been stellar. Take that as you will.
[16:02] <SandyVujakovi[m]> Koopa: Which component? GNOME Shell, or…?
[16:02] <Koopa> I believe it's Gnome Shell
[16:03] <dante> Can always upgrade from 22.10 to the newer version, no?
[16:04] <dante> I need something that just works but 22.04 has giving me some shit with windows moving very buggy + no notifications in Brave no matter what I did
[16:04] <dante> Dragging Windows makes my PC stuck
[16:04] <dante> Despite havingt 32gb of ram
[16:07] <SandyVujakovi[m]> dante: Yes, you can upgrade at any time later down the line as well.
[16:08] <tomreyn> dante: that's likely a driver issue, or one with the third party web browser you're using. it's possible but not too likely that the newer kernel version in 22.10 will work around this. such issues can almost always be solved without upgrading, though, and it's often the better choice.
[16:09] <dante> tomreyn : Where do I start with troubleshooting the error if it's a driver issue?
[16:09] <jhutchins> dante: Your problems have nothing to do with system RAM or core OS efficiency.  The graphics subsystem is entirely responsible for rendering the desktop.  Try LXDE or XFCE.
[16:10] <tomreyn> dante: undo customizations. if the issue persists, review (or have someone review)  journalctl -k
[16:11] <jhutchins> I just realised that Ubuntu support can completely dodge any problems that involve the web browser, since it's now a snap and "third party".  "Not our job!"
[16:12] <dante> tomreyn : Could you elaborate more on the "undo customizations"?
[16:12] <dante> I didn't really customize anything
[16:12] <tomreyn> dante: then there's nothing to be done. i was thinking of, e.g. gnome-shell extensions.
[16:13] <jhutchins> Now all we need to do is make gnome a snap.
[16:14] <dante> why does Software Updater say I have no internet connection when I obviously do?
[16:14] <dante> https://ibb.co/p3xtbmF
[16:14] <tomreyn> this can be a result of a broken apt configuration
[16:14] <giu-> hi Koopa
[16:14] <tomreyn> i think it tends to jump to conslusions with this error message
[16:16] <tomreyn> dante: run this and post all the output to a pastebin:    sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt update && sudo apt -f install && sudo apt -s upgrade && sudo apt -s full-upgrade
[16:20] <Koopa> hello giu
[16:41] <ogra> jhutchins, thats not true, firefox is maintained in a team effort between ubuntu and firefox devs and usually ubuntu devs handle all ubuntu related bugs quickly
[16:42] <ogra> jhutchins, it is just that the packaging code now lives in the upstream branch, so mozilla is the gate keeper, does the QA and the releasing
[16:44] <Koopa> I have to be fair, I initially had a real knee jerk reaction to snaps, worrying that they were perhaps too universal to be specific to an OS, but I'm coming around to them.
[16:45] <bougyman> I wish they weren't so noisy.
[16:52] <icefrost> hi, my wifi keeps asking for password again and again. output of lspci -knn | grep Net -A2
[16:52] <icefrost> `00:14.3 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Tiger Lake PCH CNVi WiFi [8086:43f0] (rev 11)
[16:52] <icefrost>         Subsystem: Rivet Networks Tiger Lake PCH CNVi WiFi [1a56:1652]
[16:52] <icefrost>         Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
[16:52] <icefrost>         Kernel modules: iwlwifi
[16:52] <icefrost> --
[16:54] <icefrost> hi, my wifi keeps asking for password again and again. output of lspci -knn | grep Net -A2 https://dpaste.com/FAFQFTZGJ
[17:01] <Jeremy31> icefrost: Run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 and only post the termbin.com URL after the second command is done
[17:04] <icefrost> Jeremy31 here is the termbin url https://termbin.com/x1a63
[17:06] <Jeremy31> icefrost: Can you change the encryption settings on the access point?
[17:07] <icefrost> how do i do that?
[17:07] <Jeremy31> icefrost: Is it your wifi router?
[17:09] <icefrost> Jeremy31: i have changed wpa2 password settings to unencrypted. fyi my wifi is not router
[17:10] <Jeremy31> icefrost: You might have to change setting in Network Manager for that connection and select a BSSID as it seems to be jumping between 2 APs with the same SSID
[17:12] <icefrost> Jeremy31: But i have only one access point saved in NetworkManager to which I connect
[17:12] <Jeremy31> RJ Zone
[17:12] <icefrost> yes
[17:13] <Jeremy31> You have to select a BSSID to keep it on just one of the APs and see if that fixes it
[17:13] <Agenomoto> I have 64g ram and 5800x cpu. Half of the cpu is in use. Only 15g ram is in use. But I see huge lags while typing or browsing. Yes it is correct that at the moment, I am having heavy i/o with rsync, btrfs defrag, some database i/o and automated browsing going in background but if I have nvme, half cpu and a lot of ram free, then why the lag?
[17:14] <murmel> Agenomoto: is your nvme at 100%?
[17:14] <Agenomoto> murmel no. it has more than 30% space
[17:14] <murmel> Agenomoto: I'm not talking space, I am talking throughput
[17:15] <Agenomoto> murmel how do I know?
[17:16] <Agenomoto> murmel how can I check exactly ?
[17:16] <murmel> Agenomoto: iostat in the package sysstat
[17:17] <ogra> or the disk IO monitoring in htop ... or iotop from the iotop package
[17:18] <Agenomoto> ogra how to monitor disk in htop. I already have htop
[17:18] <ogra> there is an I/O tab
[17:18] <Agenomoto> ogra dont see ti
[17:18] <ogra> oh, sorrym, i'm using the snap that is many versions ahead
[17:18] <Agenomoto> https://imgur.com/luOdhGJ.png
[17:20] <ogra> https://imgur.com/a/Koog2a6
[17:20] <icefrost> Jeremy31: i have selected one BSSID. Lets see if that fixes it. Thanks
[17:20] <Agenomoto> https://termbin.com/r39j
[17:21] <Agenomoto> murmel ogra ^
[17:23] <Agenomoto> so is my io ok?
[17:24] <murmel> yeah that's fine, hm
[17:25] <Agenomoto> murmel so what could be the issue?
[17:26] <murmel> release?
[17:26] <Agenomoto> Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[17:28] <murmel> Agenomoto: are the hdds only data or also /home?
[17:29] <Agenomoto> nvme is my os, hdd drive is for data
[17:31] <Agenomoto> murmel ^
[17:32] <murmel> honestly I would monitor some more, as a system monitor should give you more hints, than us stabbing in the dark
[18:07] <RingtailedFox> does this channel cover repository issues in Ubuntu on WSL2?
[18:07] <murmel> RingtailedFox: it's better to just ask. if it doesn't fit, we can tell you what to do ;)
[18:10] <RingtailedFox> https://pastebin.com/7WvtS7bU i'd like to fix these errors that started popping up a couple weeks ago...
[18:10] <RingtailedFox> this is in 20.04.5 LTS
[18:12] <murmel> Ringtailed-Fox: https://github.com/lutris/lutris/issues/4558 one of the issues
[18:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 4558 in lutris/lutris "Lutris PPA for Ubuntu is gone?" [Closed]
[18:13] <johnfg> jhutchins: I'd posted quite a bit earlier, saying what happened.  I guess you missed it.  Right now, pretty much all I have is what's configured in the screenshot I pasted.  Did you see it?
[18:13] <johnfg> https://imgur.com/a/HByT4eC is this all I have to have on ubuntu?
[18:14] <murmel> Ringtailed-Fox: seems like you need to clean up your repos
[18:14] <johnfg> jhutchins: From a remote, either of 2 debian machines, or 2 win 10 machines, when I connect to ubuntu, I get a prompt and am asked for a password.  But immediately after entering the password (which is correct), the connection is dropped.
[18:16] <johnfg> If I go about it in a circle from ubuntu to check, so first to a windows, then debian, then back to ubuntu, it works (not getting any prompts to respond manually or anything).
[18:16] <johnfg> ssh between machines, sshfs, scp, etc., all work fine.
[18:19] <Ringtailed-Fox> how do i clean them up?
[18:19] <murmel> Ringtailed-Fox: see in the file /etc/apt/sources.list or directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:20] <murmel> and find the ones which don't work anymore/don't need anymore
[18:26] <Ringtailed-Fox> hrmmm... /etc/apt/sources.list looks normal to me: https://pastebin.com/qsEuNcQe
[18:26] <Ringtailed-Fox> gonna check out that folder
[18:27] <murmel> Ringtailed-Fox: depends on what you call normal ;). I think having winehq repo in the sources.list file is weird (I seperate them in the folder dir)
[18:28] <murmel> as I use the sources.list file only for official repos
[18:28] <Ringtailed-Fox> that was added automatically
[18:28] <Ringtailed-Fox> i didn't add it
[18:28] <murmel> added automatically? oO by what
[18:29] <Ringtailed-Fox> oh god.. i forget. it'sbeen a long while
[18:29] <murmel> and I really wonder why winehq repo is even on a wsl2 install necessary, I mean you won't emulate windows applications ;) most of the time at least
[18:30] <Ringtailed-Fox> oh! i think it was from https://linuxconfig.org/install-lutris-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[18:30] <Ringtailed-Fox> murmel, i actually do test windows applications on wine (especially older win16 games) to see if they work well
[18:30] <Ringtailed-Fox> stuff like SimCity 2000 for Windows 3.1/95...
[18:31] <Ringtailed-Fox> hilariously, it performs better than OTVDM/winevdm :P
[18:31] <murmel> ahh kk
[18:32] <murmel> yeah makes sense, so now you have 3 options to run lutris then. as the ppa doesn't exist anymore
[18:32] <murmel> upgrade to 22.04, install flatpak version (no idea if that works) or run the tar.gz from gh
[18:33] <Ringtailed-Fox> flatpak it is, since i'm not ready to upgrade to 22.04 yet
[18:33] <Ringtailed-Fox> how do i remove a repository?
[18:34] <Ringtailed-Fox> is it really as simple as just deleting the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ /
[18:34] <Ringtailed-Fox> ?
[18:34] <murmel> yes, other than maybe removing the gpg key
[18:36] <enigma9o7> anyone know of the top of the head how to use wayvnc easily?  Iin the past I've used x11vnc, which all it takes is install it and run it, then I can vnc in, without any config.  I tried the same with wayvnc, install it and run it, but cant vnc in.
[18:36] <murmel> enigma9o7: on which de/wm are you on?
[18:37] <enigma9o7> gnome default
[18:37] <murmel> enigma9o7: why not use the default rdp server in gnome?
[18:38] <enigma9o7> cuz i wasnt aware of it.  i'd always just used x11vnc before, and when i searchedfor wayland replacement it says wayvnc.
[18:38] <murmel> enigma9o7: gnome settings -> sharing -> enable
[18:42] <enigma9o7> Hmm okay found it.  It says "when remote login is enalbed, remote users can connect using the shell command ssh Hostname.local"
[18:42] <enigma9o7> So it seems to be enabling ssh, not vnc.  I already have ssh working by installing openssh-server
[18:42] <murmel> enigma9o7: on which release are you on?
[18:43] <murmel> there should be a remote desktop option
[19:14] <chrispolis> hello
[19:16] <enigma9o7> Good day.
[19:50] <dust> how can i set the max gpu temperature... if it exceeds it then the fan speed should get higher?
[20:10] <dante> All right friends, upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Files app won't launch
[20:10] <dante> now what?
[20:10] <dante> can't browse files via GUI
[20:12] <jhutchins> !fanctl
[20:13] <jhutchins> Nope.
[20:15] <pesdauskes> these sites have really been playing with me
[20:17] <enigma9o7> dante, as an alternative if you need something "now" just install thunar
[20:17] <rbox> or just open a terminal
[20:17] <rbox> rofl
[20:17] <rbox> i know, CRAZY idea
[20:17] <enigma9o7> but to debug files, did you try running nautilus from command line?
[20:19] <dante> I run the nautilus command but nothing happens lol
[20:19] <enigma9o7> no error?  just returns prompt?
[20:19] <dante> Failed to register: Timeout was reached
[20:20] <dante> I run it with sudo nautilus and it worked now..
[20:20] <dante> this doesn't really solve my problem though
[20:20] <enigma9o7> Hmmm well that's not a good way to run it, cuz that can cause issues if you later run it as user.
[20:22] <enigma9o7> since its a local use rproblem tho, maybe you could just delete any local stuff?  check .local/applications for a nautilus or files folder and delete it (im just guessing)
[20:23] <enigma9o7> .local/share/nautilus
[20:24] <enigma9o7> .config/nautilus
[20:25] <enigma9o7> remove those folders and try it again, maybe it'll work
[20:30] <dante> enigma, that didn't solve my problem. thank you a lot for your help nonetheless
[20:30] <enigma9o7> great scott!
[20:32] <kees_> h
[20:38] <dante> What's the best DE that just works? No KDE/Gnome
[20:39] <pesdauskes> kia motors
[20:41] <enigma9o7> xfce of course
[20:42] <gordonjcp> dante: all of them
[20:42] <gordonjcp> defn: or, none of them, depending on your opinion
[21:02] <dante> How to install all suggested packages of a DE?
[21:02] <dante> using apt-get
[21:09] <jhutchins> dante: Which DE?
[21:10] <dante> Cinnamon, giving it a try.
[21:10] <dante> Also MATE. Going to try them both.
[21:10] <jhutchins> dante: You could search for the DE name with the apt tools.
[21:11] <dante> how is that done please?
[21:11] <jhutchins> There's also tasksel
[21:11] <jhutchins> !tasksel
[21:12] <jhutchins> dante: Check the man page for your favorite tool, search for "search".
[21:33] <root__> karelaking
[21:33] <root__> secret
[21:34] <root__> k8ng
[22:57] <fravialis> Hi all. I have a policy pinning firefox to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa  .. and I've uncommented the deb-src line and apt updated. However, apt source firefox still gives me the snap version from the main ubuntu repository. What do I do?
[22:57] <fravialis> (The snap version doesn't even contain the source, just a shell script retrieving the snap from the web)
[22:58] <rbox> what does apt policy firefox say
[22:59] <murmel> fravialis: this is because the snap has a higher epoch than the ppa
[23:00] <fravialis> apt policy firefox: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/eb812c3d/
[23:02] <murmel> I wonder if pinning it to a higher number (more than 500) helps. anything above 1000 should always select the pinned package
[23:02] <murmel> if not, dget the dsc file directly
[23:04] <fravialis> I already pinned it to a number higher than 500?
[23:04] <fravialis> I don't know why it says 500, that isn't in the config
[23:04] <murmel> fravialis: your policy paste says it's at 500
[23:04] <murmel> post your pinning
[23:04] <fravialis> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/87524321/
[23:05] <fravialis>      firefox -> 106.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.22.04.1~mt1 with priority 501
[23:05] <fravialis> That's from apt policy without any parameters
[23:05] <murmel> fravialis: o=LP-PPA-mozillateam-ppa
[23:06] <murmel> and as I said put it at 1000 or higher
[23:07] <fravialis> If I change it to what you just stated, the snap version gains precedence again...
[23:09] <murmel> let me add it myself
[23:12] <dantee> guys how do I move the panel to my other monitor? Using Ubuntu 22.10 btw
[23:12] <murmel> fravialis: hm interesting, you are right, it has to be LP-PPA-mozillateam, putting it to 1000 does select it when installing but seems like source has to be dgetted
[23:13] <crux73> dantee i think you have to set which one is your primary screen in the screen settings.
[23:13] <murmel> dantee: settings -> ubuntu appearance
[23:13] <murmel> eh ubuntu desktop
[23:14] <fravialis> murmel: strange
[23:15] <fravialis> murmel: where do we get the string LP-PPA-mozillateam from anyways?
[23:15] <murmel> fravialis: thats one of the reasons why I don't like ppa not that much, as you can selectively select the version in the ppa
[23:16] <murmel> fravialis: apt policy -> gives you all the release types
[23:16] <dantee> got it thanks. Now only need to fix nautilus not launching lol
[23:16] <dantee> wish I didnt upgrade
[23:16] <murmel> dantee: that's one of the reasons most people stay on LTS releases
[23:16] <fravialis> murmel: I knew that but I was wondering whee apt policy in turn gets it from, since I was browsing the repository by hand and couldn't find it
[23:17] <fravialis> Oh wait
[23:17] <fravialis> https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/mozillateam/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease
[23:17] <fravialis> "Origin:"
[23:17] <dantee> how do you release a new version and nautilus doesn't launch? wth
[23:18] <murmel> fravialis: afair they are enumerated by using the InRelease file, but can't say for sure
[23:18] <murmel> https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/mozillateam/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jammy/
[23:18] <murmel> dantee: that is definitely not normal, I am on 22.10 myself and nautilus is working fine
[23:28] <fravialis> murmel: in the Sources file here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/source/Sources.gz, the Package-List:  line first has a newline before it starts listing packages, this is not the case with the PPA's Sources.gz. I think that is an error
[23:29] <fravialis> I.E. in https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/mozillateam/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/source/Sources.gz
[23:30] <murmel> yeah, see that. I guess you could put a bug against lp
[23:30] <fravialis> But I'm not sure it matters, hmmm... https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-package-list
[23:32] <fravialis> I guess the parser might break, but I didn't see an error though
[23:32] <murmel> rather new myself to the whole packaging, so can't say too much
[23:34] <johnfg> jhutchins: Did you see may answers back to you?
[23:50] <dust> how to get the settings of amd gpu and how to change it?
[23:51] <tomreyn> dust: what settings are you referring to?
[23:51] <goddard> why if I install cuda toolkit additional drivers considers me as having a "manually" installed driver
[23:51] <goddard> and it uninstalls nvidia-smi as well
[23:52] <dust> tomreyn, temperature and fan settings
[23:52] <tomreyn> dust: i think there's some documentation on that on the arch wiki
[23:53] <dust> tomreyn, i found several stuff but nothing seems to be the right solution
[23:54] <tomreyn> is there a problem, though?
[23:54] <dust> yes otherwise i wouldnt ask here...
[23:54] <tomreyn> what Is the problem?
[23:55] <dust> 120°c?
[23:55] <tomreyn> hmm, maybe you need to clean the fans then?
[23:55] <dust> after cleaning 120°c?
[23:56] <jhutchins> johnfg: About the only input I'd have is that user name != user ID.  Something in your authorization is broken, or you're not the user you think you are.
[23:56] <tomreyn> and ensure that airflow can actually transport the heat out
[23:56] <dust> is ensured and 120°c
[23:57] <dust> thats the reason i ask here: how to get the settings of amd gpu and how to change it?
[23:57] <jhutchins> dust: How sure are you that the fans are running full speed?
[23:57] <jhutchins> dust: Have you calibrated the sensors?  (What are you doing to read the temps?)
[23:58] <dust> it spins freely when i took the card out to clean it...
[23:58] <jhutchins> dust: They do that just fine if they're completely dead.
[23:58] <jhutchins> dust: You have to know if they're running when the system's on.
[23:58] <dust> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1394954/how-to-control-amd-gpu-fan-speed
[23:58] <dust> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/ht4qq3/controlling_fan_speed_of_amd_gpu/
[23:59] <dust> and a bunch of other stuff
[23:59] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU#Features is what i was referring to. but this is most likely a hardware / thermal issue