[00:52] <afshin777> Hello bax :)
[00:53] <afshin777> is there any way to torify terminal ?
[01:11] <afshin777> is this group active?!
[01:12] <arraybolt3> afshin777: Yeah, we're here, we just don't know what torify means.
[01:12] <arraybolt3> Or at least I'm not sure what you're trying to do.
[01:13] <afshin777> i.e. passing the terminal traffic through the tor
[01:13] <rob0> the terminal itself does not handle networking
[01:13] <arraybolt3> Terminal traffic... are you connecting to a remote computer via SSH? Or using the lynx web browser?
[01:14] <arraybolt3> The terminal only works locally on your own system unless you use a remote shell of some sort (like SSH).
[01:14] <rob0> What you'd want to do is torify the software you are running from the terminal.
[01:15] <rob0> Or, you could implement your tor at the system level, such that all traffic from any app uses tor.
[01:15] <afshin777> I just want commands like "apt-get" use tor service
[01:16] <rob0> so now you have a more useful search term
[01:16] <rob0> "apt-get tor"
[01:16] <arraybolt3> afshin777: I'd try to route your whole system through Tor to do what you're going for.
[01:17] <arraybolt3> There might be a way to route just an individual app (like apt) through Tor, but I don't know enough about Tor to know how to do that.
[01:19] <afshin777> Thank you guys, really in Iran we have heavy internet restrictions and i can not use some services like docker and so on
[01:19] <arraybolt3> afshin777: Just be careful, I don't know if Iran is going to be OK with you using Tor either. You'll know the situatiohn better than I will here in the US, but just be cautious.
[01:20] <afshin777> And we have to use a proxy when installing some software through the terminal
[01:23] <afshin777> Thanks you my friend , yeah that's ok :)  and they know people do that, and the blocking system is very smart and fast!  But we always find a way to overcome it :))
[02:16] <aussietouch> I have a ubuntu machine that needs forensic investigation,i am not Unix/Linux Savvy. the machine is not plugged into the network. when i turn on the machine it logs in without asking for a password, but when doing sudo I am asked for password and i have no password available as the machine is now confiscated from the original user
[02:18] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Recovering the existing password may be very difficult or impossible, however, changing the password should be trivial. Is that acceptable?
[02:20] <aussietouch> arraybolt3 yes thats acceptable
[02:20] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Fantastic. Do you have a live USB handy, or do you need to do this procedure entirely from the existing operating system?
[02:20] <aussietouch> I guess I can get a live usb
[02:21] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Nah, not necessary.
[02:21] <arraybolt3> You are connected to IRC using a different computer than the one you're about to investigate, right?
[02:21] <aussietouch> Yes :-)
[02:21] <arraybolt3> Part of the password reset process involves a couple of reboots.
[02:21] <arraybolt3> Alright. To begin with, shut the computer down.
[02:21] <aussietouch> Roger that
[02:21] <arraybolt3> Next, power the computer on, let the firmware screen appear, then the moment it goes solid black, hit Esc once.
[02:22] <arraybolt3> This should pop up a screen that says "GNU GRUB" at the top.
[02:22] <arraybolt3> If this doesn't happen, keep rebooting and trying to hit Esc until it does happen. Eventually you'll hit the sweet spot needed to get into this screen.
[02:23] <aussietouch> I didn't work the first time
[02:23] <aussietouch> Let me try again
[02:23] <arraybolt3> Do you know if the system is BIOS or EFI?
[02:23] <aussietouch> UEFI
[02:23] <arraybolt3> OK, then Esc will work eventually.
[02:24] <arraybolt3> (BIOS systems use Shift held down during bootup, while UEFI systems require a well-timed Esc keypress. Personally I preferred the old way better :P)
[02:24] <aussietouch> How do we know if the machine has grub installed any way to check?
[02:24] <arraybolt3> GRUB is the bootloader, if you're using Ubuntu, you're using GRUB.
[02:24] <arraybolt3> Unless you or someone else has seriously mangled the guts of the system, that is.
[02:24] <aussietouch> OK
[02:24] <aussietouch> hmmm
[02:25] <arraybolt3> If it's really annoying, hit Esc repeatedly during the entire bootup process.
[02:25] <arraybolt3> This won't get you directly to the GRUB screen, but it's easy enough to get there if you do that.
[02:25] <aussietouch> I missed it twice already :-(
[02:25] <arraybolt3> Hitting Esc over and over will drop you to a GRUB rescue shell, from there you can get back to the GRUB menu.
[02:25] <Bashing-om> aussietouch: Sometomes is quicker to get "grub" if one spamms the escape key while booting - there is but a 3 second window of opportunity for grub to recognize the escape key.
[02:25] <aussietouch> i can see they have /etc/grub.d folder
[02:26] <arraybolt3> (This is probably the trickiest part of getting into recovery mode. Once this one hurdle is crossed, everything else becomes super easy.)
[02:26] <aussietouch> I am trying again now
[02:27] <arraybolt3> Bashing-om: I like the trick of spamming Esc, though on some systems spamming Esc is how you get into the firmware setup rather than the GRUB menu (I have two HP systems that do this).
[02:28] <Bashing-om> arraybolt3: Good to keep in mind - thanks :D
[02:28] <aussietouch> i can now see the grub> screen
[02:28] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Good. OK, one more tricky part.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Type "normal", but don't hit Enter. Position your finger over Esc with one hand, then press Enter with the other and then immediately hit Esc again, just once.
[02:29] <aussietouch> Ok let me try, i have fat fingers :-)
[02:30] <arraybolt3> No problem, take your time. We'll keep trying until we get there.
[02:30] <arraybolt3> Once you get to the GNU GRUB menu, select "Advanced Options for Ubuntu" using the arrow keys, press Enter, then select the second option (the one that says "(recovery mode)" in it) in the list, then Enter again.
[02:31] <aussietouch> I have total 4 entries with 2 recovies
[02:32] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Use the topmost recovery option.
[02:32] <aussietouch> done
[02:32] <aussietouch> I can see recovery menu
[02:32] <arraybolt3> Nice. OK, select "root" and press Enter.
[02:32] <arraybolt3> Allow it to drop you to a shell.
[02:33] <aussietouch> Should i press CTL+D or enter
[02:33] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Which one drops to a shell? I think Enter will.
[02:33] <aussietouch> yes I am now in the shell prompt
[02:33] <arraybolt3> OK. Next, run "mount -o remount,rw /", being careful not to make typos. The whole command is important (including the / at the end).
[02:34] <arraybolt3> This will enable write access to the drive so you can change the password.
[02:34] <aussietouch> cant i just run passwd root command and change the password for root and user account?
[02:34] <arraybolt3> Not yet.
[02:34] <aussietouch> ok
[02:34] <arraybolt3> By default, Recovery Mode will mount the drive read-only, the above command remounts it as read-write.
[02:35] <arraybolt3> Once that's done, then it's just "passwd <username>", replacing <username> as appropriate, and then you already know what to do from there.
[02:35] <aussietouch> done finish running the command
[02:35] <aussietouch> i have mounted the system in rw mode
[02:35] <aussietouch> now i should be able to reset the password right?
[02:35] <arraybolt3> OK, next "passwd <username>", but replace <username> as appropriate.
[02:35] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Correct.
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Once you've run the passwd command, do whatever you want to the password, then run "reboot", and you're in.
[02:37] <aussietouch> arraybolt3, brilliant i was able to reset both user and root password, i am tagged to do forensic investigation on this machine
[02:37] <arraybolt3> (by the way this is one reason it's important to NEVER allow attackers physical access to a computer that doesn't use full-disk encryption. This whole procedure works on most any unencrypted Ubuntu computer, and yes, it is a horrifyingly bad security hole. So, if you care about security, use disk encryption.)
[02:37] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Nice. Good luck!
[02:37] <arraybolt3> (Also, as a sidenote, Ubuntu doesn't usually have a root password at all, though having one shouldn't hurt anything.)
[02:37] <aussietouch> I am really not sure where to start
[02:37] <rob0> any Linux, and probably most Unix systems
[02:38] <rob0> (have this weakness)
[02:38] <aussietouch> If any of you have any doc to share, please share....
[02:38] <murmel> hm, interesting, debian doesn't let you use recovery mode when you don't have a root password, which _could_ be an advantage
[02:39] <murmel> aussietouch: what are you looking for?
[02:39] <aussietouch> arraybolt3, appreciate your help.... thank you
[02:39] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: What is it that went wrong that requires you to do this? Only expose as much information as should be public and recorded forever in Ubuntu's logs.
[02:39] <arraybolt3> (The channel is logged, so anything you say here not only becomes public but also permanently saved, so don't leak anything sensitive :P)
[02:40] <arraybolt3> Forensic investigation could mean a lot of things to me, so knowing how we got here might help us figure out where to go next.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> Actually, one thing I do know. Take a full disk image of the drive *now*.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: ^
[02:41] <aussietouch> Its suppose to be a client machine running windows 10, but someone has installed Ubuntu without corporate permission and used the machine not sure for what purpose, its on the network for long time. I need to know who has done this and what is the machien used for?
[02:41] <arraybolt3> If you do something to the system that damages the data on it in some way while trying to investigate it, you will be very thankful for that disk image.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Oh wow. That sounds like a nightmare.
[02:41] <aussietouch> how to take full disk image of the drive?
[02:42] <aussietouch> dd command?
[02:42] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: You'd need a live USB to do it with Linux, but you can just take the drive out and use any disk imaging software you like.
[02:42] <rob0> it might be impossible to know what all the machine was used for
[02:42] <aussietouch> Roger that
[02:42] <arraybolt3> If you want to do it with the tools we know how to use here, start by making a live USB with Ubuntu or an official flavor thereof (like Lubuntu), and we can go from there.
[02:43] <arraybolt3> rob0: Quite true. Thus is the nature of recovering data from anything - there's no guarantee how much can be gotten off. But you can usually get an awful lot.
[02:43] <arraybolt3> (At least in my experience.)
[02:44] <aussietouch> arraybolt3, i am now making a live Ubuntu(usb), can i get back to you once i am done with live usb
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Sure.
[02:45] <arraybolt3> I'm doing a bunch of other stuff in the background, so I will probably be here whenever you get back.
[02:45] <aussietouch> my colleague is saying he has a live kali linux with him can we use that instead of ubuntu?
[02:45] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: For taking a disk image, yeah.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Note that Kali may not have other tools you *might* want at some point, so maybe make the Ubuntu USB anyway, but if you want to get it over with as fast as possible, the disk image can be done with Kali.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> (Assuming that Offensive Security didn't do something really weird like remove the dd tool from the OS, which I really seriously massively doubt they did.)
[02:51] <aussietouch> I have Kali usb with me now
[02:51] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: OK. To boot from it, obviously, start by turning the computer off and inserting the USB drive once it's powered down.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Next... crud, this part will depend on the hardware. Can you tell us exactly what model of computer you're dealing with?
[02:52] <arraybolt3> "Dell Latitude 7000" is the kind of info I'm looking for.
[02:52] <aussietouch> its Dell Optiplex 7080
[02:52] <arraybolt3> OK, one moment while I look up how to get into the boot menu...
[02:52] <aussietouch> I know how to boot of usb
[02:53] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Oh, OK great.
[02:53] <aussietouch> I can do that par
[02:53] <arraybolt3> OK, do you have an external drive to make the disk image on?
[02:54] <aussietouch> I'll look in the workshop we might have
[02:54] <aussietouch> just a sec
[02:56] <aussietouch> found an external HDD
[02:57] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Nice. And just to be sure, it has enough disk space to fit the whole entire laptop's internal storage drive on it, right?
[02:58] <arraybolt3> If so, then just plug the drive in and open it in Kali's file manager.
[02:59] <arraybolt3> Then right click inside the file manager, and click "Open in Terminal" or something similar.
[03:06] <aussietouch> external SSD drive is not recognized by Kali Linux
[03:06] <oerheks> good
[03:07] <oerheks> test successful
[03:08] <oerheks> Kali does something weird with, so unreliable to write an iso with
[03:14] <aussietouch> arraybolt3, it might take a little longer to find External Storage:-(
[03:14] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Oh dear. Maybe the Ubuntu live USB would be a good idea after all then.
[03:18] <aussietouch> I reckon it could be faulty external SDD, I am unable to recognize the disk with my windows machine either
[03:19] <aussietouch> once i go insdie file manager and " Open in Terminal" what should i do next? just copy and paste file or create an ISO image?
[03:23] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Make a DD image
[03:23] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: So, can you run "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that spits out? That will let me see which drive is the system's internal drive.
[03:24] <arraybolt3> We're just going to do a full, sector-by-sector copy of the whole whopping drive, so that any data that may be recoverable (even deleted files, possibly) can be recovered later.
[03:53] <aussietouch> arraybolt3 ""lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999"" machine is not connected to network
[03:54] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Oh. OK. Well, let's just use placeholders then.
[03:54] <arraybolt3> "sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=./disk.img bs=4M", replace /dev/sdX as appropriate to select the internal drive. This will copy the whole drive onto a single file on the external drive.
[03:55] <aussietouch> Brilliant will do that
[03:57] <imi> hi, can I make bash tab completion not to show some of the options? for instance can I make firef<TAB> not to show firefox.geckodriver? but to complete firefox with the space on the end as if it was the only option for firef<TAB>?
[03:57] <arraybolt3> aussietouch: Once that command finishes, you can investigate the machine however you want, or you can make a copy of the image file and work on it in an environment you're comfortable in, or whatever. Once you have the full disk image, just keep one untouched copy of it and you won't lose any imoprtant data.
[03:58] <rbox> imi: sure, just remove that from a directory in your path
[03:59] <imi> rbox: we're talking about the binary at /snap/bin/firefox.geckodriver
[03:59] <rbox> ok...
[03:59] <rbox> you could remove /snap/bin from your path...
[04:04] <oerheks> add a dot before filename?
[04:04] <oerheks> why would snap show such bin files..
[04:05] <oerheks> does that geckodriver even work?
[04:12] <Temel> I prefer arch tbh
[04:27] <oerheks> I prefer KDE in 2001, but this is strictly ubuntu support.
[04:32] <aussietouch> any command to find out when the OS was first installed I am guessing by going into some system file and looking at date stamp ? do you reckon dmidecode would do it?
[04:33] <rbox> tune2fs might tell you when the filesystem was created if you're using ext4
[04:35] <oerheks> aussietouch, only date of partition creation gives a clue
[04:35] <lurker_8473> maybe something in /var/log/installer?
[04:35] <oerheks> nope.
[04:35] <lurker_8473> D:
[04:35] <nickgaw> When I bought my System76 laptop with POP-OS installed they told me they use network booting to do the initial installation can ubuntu do such types of installs for new systems or reinstalls?
[04:36] <lurker_8473> do those logs get wiped on upgrades or something?
[04:36] <oerheks> The new Ubuntu Server Installer now supports all Server hardware platforms, unattended autoinstall, offline installation, network-gapped install, PXE and HTTP boot, RAID, LVM, LUKS, among other things.
[04:37] <oerheks> no more netboot, as it can be done with server
[04:37] <nickgaw> What about ubuntu desktop could the same be done with that one or how did they do my laptop over the network?
[04:38] <oerheks> one needs internet anyway, why the hard way nickgaw ?
[04:38] <oerheks> you find the most odd questions..
[04:38] <nickgaw> No my question is how did they do the installation over the network and booting it and the entire installation so when I started the system it asked me if I wanted the encrypted setup which of course I did?
[04:39] <oerheks> ask system86?
[04:39] <oerheks> or 76
[04:39] <lurker_8473> are you sure the laptop didn't just come with oem software installed
[04:39] <nickgaw> They told me threw network booting but not the direct steps why as it is linux should that not be open information?
[04:39] <oerheks> the regular ubuntu installer gives that option too.
[04:43] <oerheks> Ask them about the netboot procedure and package selection, we are not responsible for forks
[04:44] <lurker_8473> tune2fs -l <partition os was installed on> | grep "Filesystem created:"
[04:44] <lurker_8473> might work
[04:45] <oerheks> using bing instead of google might work also
[04:45] <oerheks> grinn
[04:46] <lurker_8473> joke's on you, I was using GigaBlast ;)
[04:47] <lurker_8473> sometimes ya just want to be part of the convo, y'know
[04:47] <lurker_8473> haha
[05:50] <nickgaw> Does Canonical sell support services where they can remote into your system to do work for you if you need it done?
[05:53] <toddc> nickgaw: yes
[05:53] <nickgaw> What is that service called?
[05:54] <toddc> nickgaw: https://ubuntu.com/support#enterprise     many options they can guide you to the best option for you
[05:57] <nickgaw> Can they help individual end users with their support services as this looks like it is for major companies?
[05:59] <toddc> nickgaw: as I recall yes and as I recall they offer one time suppoet too
[06:00] <nickgaw> I am also totally blind and use orca on the graphical desktop and speakup for the console before buying support are there ways to contact their sales team to ask if they support accessibility tools?
[06:02] <toddc> nickgaw: I am unsure I suspect support on third party programs may be limited to getting it to start or run
[06:03] <arraybolt3> Isn't Orca part of the main Ubuntu Desktop ISO? I seem to remember that, I could be wrong.
[06:04] <nickgaw> What I would mainly need their support for is if I find an accessibility bug and can not set an option because of accessibility issues so they could remote into the system and change the option for me is this something that they would do or should I look somewhere else for this type of support?
[06:04] <morgan-u2> evening frineds:  the brightness adjustment on the panel has no affect on my monitor. Dell destop inspiron 9020 and acer monitor. 22.04
[06:04] <toddc> orca is part of the Gnome project
[06:05] <arraybolt3> morgan-u2: Does your monitor support a brightness change in this fashion?
[06:05] <nickgaw> So contacting gnome might be better then canonical?
[06:05] <arraybolt3> nickgaw: Highly doubtful, GNOME is a software project.
[06:05] <nickgaw> Does teamviewer work under ubuntu?
[06:05] <arraybolt3> Orca is mentioned in the official Ubuntu documentation (not the community docs, the official ones), so I would expect it would be supported as part of the OS.
[06:06] <arraybolt3> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-screen-reader.html.en
[06:06] <arraybolt3> nickgaw: Pretty sure it does.
[06:07] <toddc> nickgaw:teamveiwer is great on 20.04 but I have a issue on 22.04 that I have not looked into it may be me
[06:07] <nickgaw> Why on linux mailing lists when I bring up other paid voice speech engines and synthesizers do I get yelled at about them not being open sourced and for me not to use them?
[06:07] <arraybolt3> nickgaw: Because people are grumpy about stuff like that sometimes?
[06:09] <nickgaw> Yes but if they understood my point in wanting to use a better voice synthesizer then espeak sometimes for my screen I find them griping about it rather rude.
[06:09] <arraybolt3> I mean if you have the money and want to buy something that will Just Work, do that. If there's a free thing that will Just Work, maybe save your money. But don't let people who are pushy about open-source keep you from doing what you need.
[06:10] <arraybolt3> (Also espeak's sound quality is atrocious, if you want to buy a better text-to-speech engine I don't blame you in the slightest.)
[06:11] <nickgaw> as these people probably have never used a screen reader in their lives and don't get why I want better voices on my system so my reason for bringing this up is will I still get ubuntu support if I install software that is not open source on my system if the issue is with an open source program?
[06:12] <arraybolt3> nickgaw: I would expect so, though sarnold might have more info on this, he actually works for Canonical I believe.
[06:13] <lurker_8473> the default voice is quite atrocious
[06:13] <arraybolt3> lurker_8473: And unintelligible.
[06:13] <nickgaw> It is espeak
[06:13] <arraybolt3> They should have called it eeEEEEeee! Speak in my opinion
[06:14] <nickgaw> It is better then nothing but on windows much better voices exist.
[06:59] <arraybolt3> (Crosspost from #ubuntu-devel, haven't gotten a response for a while and am realizing I may have posted in the wrong channel earlier.)
[06:59] <arraybolt3> OK, I know this isn't much to go on, but maybe someone has some hints for me. Using Kubuntu 22.04, I've set up sbuild as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild (I didn't use the provided sbuildrc, but that shouldn't matter here). If I try to enter into one of the sbuild chroots manually for updating (schroot -c source:kinetic-amd64 -u root), I just get dropped back to my normal shell with the rather unhelpful message:
[07:00] <arraybolt3> "E: Child terminated by signal ‘Segmentation fault’". How would I even start debugging this?
[07:00] <arraybolt3> I don't see much of anything alarming in /var/log/syslog, there's some "Running shell: /bin/bash", and then a lot of "Deactivated successfully" messages.
[07:02] <arraybolt3> Interestingly enough, I *can* schroot into a Jammy sbuild, but not a Kinetic one.
[07:03] <arraybolt3> I also set up /dev/shm builds for Kinetic, but not yet for Jammy, maybe that's part of the problem?
[07:04] <arraybolt3> Nope, enabling /dev/shm builds for Jammy didn't change anything.
[07:32] <webchat12> Hello guys!
[07:32] <webchat12> Anyone knows when USG will support 22.04? ua only works on 20.04 :/
[07:37]  * alkisg asked on github a month ago and the devs answer was "we don't know yet"
[07:37] <alkisg> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-security-guide/issues/15
[07:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 15 in canonical/ubuntu-security-guide "usg not available for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS" [Open]
[07:39] <webchat12> Ok crap .... thanks for info!
[08:10] <Bardon_> Hello, what if when I upgraded a package, it asked if I wanted to change the config file back to the maintainer's version and I refused. Can I revert it to the maintainer's version later?
[08:15] <ravage> yes there is a backup in the same directory
[08:33] <webchat17> Hi folks, is this the right place to ask for help with ubuntu? Noticing a few issues after upgrading to 22.10
[08:41] <lacrymology> ever since the latest kernel update, my computer boots with the minimum resolution. Works fine if I go into grub and select the previous version
[08:53] <Bardon_> ravage: Right, I see a .dpkg-dist file, which looks like the default conf! Thanks
[09:16] <Bardon_> Hello, since the new upgrade (kinetic), my primary monitor only has the top bar with the "activity", time and quick menu. It misses the left bar with the apps, which is on my other monitor
[09:16] <Bardon_> How can I move it?
[09:16] <Bardon_> It stays on my left monitor
[09:17] <Bardon_> Ah nevermind, moved it
[09:20] <Bardon_> Other question, the quick menu doesn't display the audio and mic source anymore. Can I put it back?
[09:22] <Bardon_> Ah all good, it was hidden behind that arrow
[09:22] <Bardon_> Can't find the mic though
[09:25] <cosmicrajiv> why ubuntu 22.04 kept back some of the upgrades from applying?
[09:32] <ogra> !phasedupdates
[09:32] <ogra> cosmicrajiv, ^^^
[09:52] <cosmicrajiv> ogra: ok, i read it. so previously it was only available with graphical update manager.
[09:57] <cosmicrajiv> i don't know if some other users have also observe this problem but after updating to kernel 5.15.0-52, the battery is drainig faster.
[11:21] <Liowenex> Why was 32-bit support depreciated?
[11:23] <guiverc> Liowenex, 18.04 still has x86/i386 support; armhf (32bit) support still exists beyond 18.04 though
[11:25] <mjt0k> I'd ask it the other way 'round: why i386 support might still be relevant?
[11:45] <hermano> I guess this is not a specific ubuntu question, but I am looking for a terminal software that can adjust images (png or jpg). It should basically inform about image current height/width and if higher then 50px, it should set max 50px height and scale the picture to adjust also the width accordingly. Same with height of 200px, so it would be great that height could be set an argument to a command.
[11:45] <tykling> look at convert from imagemagick
[11:46] <hermano> Need to run on Debian and/or Ubuntu.
[11:46] <hermano> and be opensource.
[11:52] <hermano> tykling, Thanks! It look very "spot-on". Will give it a try.
[11:59] <tykling> hermano: de nada
[12:00] <hermano> tykling, installation went fine but it does not respond with "magick" nor "ImageMagick". Maybe a path thing.
[12:03] <tykling> the utility you are looking for is called "convert"
[12:04] <hermano> tykling, thanks. Yes, understood that now. Tested 'display' and it works fine.
[12:04] <tykling> goodie
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <bittin> looked up a new Daily Activity place today and got asked if i know how to install Ubuntu :p
[12:53] <rob0> What's there to know? Just Do It[tm].
[12:54] <bittin> rob0: well i done it for a couple of years :p
[14:43] <kkkssf> Hi
[14:46] <kkkssf> Why ubuntu software needs to reboot on EVERY non-snap package update? That reminds me of Windows :) I would understand if its an kernel update but not on every non-snap package update
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> kkkssf: wich software are you talking about?
[14:50] <kkkssf> gnome-software
[14:52] <dragon_> Hello
[14:53] <rob0> Would that be a reboot, or just a logout?
[14:54] <ioria> kkkssf, if not related to a kernel upgrade, might be related to a service restart
[14:54] <rob0> I have Ubuntu in two VM instances, and non-kernel apt upgrades do not require reboots.
[14:54] <kkkssf> its an reboot, then on bootup the packages are installed and the machine reboots again
[14:55] <ioria> kkkssf, i suggest to check /var/run/ for reboot files
[14:57] <kkkssf> rob0 yes if you do "apt upgrade" you dont need to reboot but there are often packages that are "held back" in apt and need to be upgraded manually or through gnome-software
[15:00] <kkkssf> the whole install packages on bootup thing is somehow starnge. If something goes wrong during install you have to read your boot logs first to figure it out
[15:09] <kkkssf> is ubuntu is turning slowly into ubundows? :D
[15:10] <kkkssf> windows is also slowly turning into winbuntu with its linux subsytem
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> lets not make silly statements in the support channel please kkkssf
[15:11] <mjt0k> kkkssf: packages that are 'held back'? what do you mean?
[15:12] <mjt0k> the whole idea about package upgrade process seems to be quite a bit strange
[15:13] <mjt0k> for packages which are on hold other software wont touch them either, not only apt
[15:13] <mjt0k> it doesn't matter if it's done at bootup or not; one can disable automatic install entirely, too
[15:16] <kkkssf> in the pas when i had held back packages after "apt-get upgrade" i did "apt-get  dist-upgrade" and the held back packages were installed. now on ubuntu 22.04 i have to install them through gnome-software.
[15:16] <mjt0k> these aren't held packages, these are packages with more complex dependencies
[15:17] <mjt0k> and indeed apt dist-upgrade will install them just fine while the system is running
[15:17] <mjt0k> I don't have gnome software installed but apt works just fine
[15:18] <kkkssf> mjt0k desktop or server?
[15:18] <mjt0k> it doesnt matter
[15:19] <mjt0k> apt is exactly the same and works the same way on both
[15:20] <kkkssf> well on desktop you need snap in ubuntu 22.04 because packages like cups or firefox are snap only not sure if you can uninstall gnome-software without breaking the desktop enviroment
[15:22] <kkkssf> gnome-software takes care of both apt based and snap based updates, but the apt based packages are updated in a diffrent way then through apt
[15:28] <kkkssf> however when i "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && snap refresh" i have sometimes still held back packages after, then i can update them manually "apt-get install <packagename1> <packagename2> ..." or use gnome-software
[15:28] <jhutchins> kkkssf: What third-party PPA sources do you have?
[15:28] <kkkssf> none
[15:29] <kkkssf> only default repositories
[15:29] <mjt0k> that wouldn't happen with default repos
[15:30] <mjt0k> unless the repos are broken
[15:30] <ioria> probably phased pkgs
[15:30] <kkkssf> ioria what are phased pkgs?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> (in case needed we got a !phasedupdates factoid now)
[15:31] <ioria> kkkssf, that's why i suggested to check /var/run
[15:32] <ioria> !phasedupdates
[15:32] <ioria> nice
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> cookie for ogra : )
[15:34] <mjt0k> that's a nice feature. and in this context, apt does the right thing, too
[15:35] <street-enemy> I'm trying to run a ubuntu mate live cd. The livecd boots but when i select "try ubuntu without installing" or "try ubuntu without installing (safe graphics) it hangs immiedtly after and displays a "SGX disabled by bios" along with numerous errors about "ACPI error aborting method" what am i doing wrong here?
[15:35] <kkkssf> oh yes that might be it and i guess what i ment were " kept back" packages, sorry for my poor translation
[15:36] <guitargirl15> street-enemy those errors are normal, what happens afterwards?
[15:37] <street-enemy> nothing it's been sitting there for like 15 minutes now
[15:38] <ioria> street-enemy, if i remember correctly, you should have a menu with some defaults kernel parameter; i'd try acpi=off
[15:39] <lagunaloire> i installed a snap of gzdoom which configures in the ~/snap directory and it does not find the FluidR3_GM.sf2 soundfonts..i have them installed on the system but the game can't find them ...is there a fix
[15:40] <kkkssf> so if i wait enough the phased update will become verified/stable and apt will install it then and i can quit gnome-center?
[15:40] <ioria> yep
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> lagunaloire: _Please see the github repo for this snap for more info and bug reporting:_
[15:40] <lotuspsychje>   https://github.com/Hvassaa/gzdoom-snap
[15:40] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje ok
[15:41] <kkkssf> *gnome-software
[15:42] <jhutchins> street-enemy: Did you verify the image you downloaded?  Compare the checksum of the file to the checksum posted with the download?
[15:42] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje..i read the page url but i already installed the freedoom wads in the snap directory and they work but the soundfonts for music do not
[15:43] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje..it says can't find /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2.
[15:43] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje...and they are installed on the system.
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> lagunaloire: the volunteers in #ubuntu cant help much on external maintained snaps
[15:44] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje ok..i guess i will wait until maybe there will be a fix later
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> lagunaloire: that git is your best bet/hope
[15:46] <street-enemy> ioria where do i input acpi=off at?
[15:46] <ioria> in general, in the kernel line
[15:47] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje..well there is no useful information about music at the git repo
[15:47] <kkkssf56> street-enemy you have to edit the boot entry in grub
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> lagunaloire: contact the maintainer of the project?
[15:48] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje..how do i do that
[15:48] <ioria> street-enemy, similar to this : https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/ParametriAvvio?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=1604-2.png
[15:49] <street-enemy> i dont have that option
[15:49] <ioria> and what you have instead ?
[15:51] <street-enemy> I have try ubuntu mate without installing, try ubuntu mate installing (safe graphics) install,install safe graphics,oem instyall,boot from next volume,UEFI firmware settings
[15:51] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje..it is not that big of a deal since freedoom1 and freedoom2 play the wad files and the music
[15:51] <street-enemy> it looks like a normal grub boot menu
[15:51] <wad> So I plugged my android phone into my Ubuntu laptop, and the phone asked if I wanted to let file transfers happen, and I said "yes". On the laptop, Ubuntu popped up a "SAMSUNG" thing (my phone), and I "opened with Files". But the folder is empty.... any ideas what's going on?
[15:51] <lagunaloire> lotuspsychje...but i wanted to get gzdoom working so i could swith among several wad files
[15:51] <wad> I looked in /media/wad and it's empty too.
[15:51] <ioria> street-enemy, press 'e' on the target item and add  manually at the end
[15:52] <lagunaloire> wad...go to your telephone and change the usb port from charging to file transfer
[15:52] <lagunaloire> wad then you should be able to change any files back and forth with your computer
[15:53] <lagunaloire> wad it uses libmtp
[15:53] <wad> lagunaloire, yeah, that's what I figured. I did that, and it says it's connected for file transfer. But the folder in Ubuntu is empty, doesn't look like anything mounted.
[15:54] <kkkssf56> street-enemy select "try ubuntu mate without installing" e.g, press "e" find the line that starts with "linux" and add the bootoption at the end of that line
[15:54] <lagunaloire> wad well unplug it and plug it in again and reset to file transfer...you should be able to see it in caja or gnome-files
[15:55] <wad> Okay, thanks!
[15:57] <street-enemy> these are the errors im getting https://i.imgur.com/CdTou0w.jpg
[15:58] <ioria> we got that
[15:59] <ravage> i get those errors too. i ignore them. everything is working fine
[15:59] <lagunaloire> wad make sure you have libmtp installed on ubuntu
[16:00] <ioria> street-enemy, have you tried to set the parameter ?
[16:00] <street-enemy> yes it didnt change anything
[16:00] <lagunaloire> wad it is free with media player version 11 on windows xp ..but you need to install the library on ubuntu
[16:01] <ioria> street-enemy, then check the sata mode in your bios
[16:04] <jhutchins> wad: It could be that you have stored your data in a non-accessible folder on the phone.  Only certain folders are "public".
[16:04] <jhutchins> wad: A good test would be to create a test file in the phone folders, then see if you can find it from the phone.
[16:05] <street-enemy> what am i looking for in sata mode ioria?
[16:05] <lagunaloire> jhutchins no he should be able to see many directories on his phone
[16:06] <ioria> i'd try first ahci  street-enemy
[16:06] <lagunaloire> jhutchins if he has libmtp installed and the usb port set for file transfer
[16:06] <wad> Thanks lagunaloire!
[16:07] <lagunaloire> wad..no problem...let me know if you see it in caja or dolphin or gnome-files
[16:07] <street-enemy> it is currently in AHCI should i switch to optane? ioria
[16:09] <lagunaloire> wad..and it may work for thunar also but i haven't checked that one
[16:09] <rollappuser> hello
[16:10] <lagunaloire> wad...you can launch gnome-files from the command line by typing nautilus
[16:11] <lagunaloire> wad if you use gnome..or type dolphin if you use kde...or type caja if you use mate...or type thunar if you use the other desktop
[16:12] <ioria> street-enemy, try to switch between the two, but i think ahci is the correct one
[16:12] <street-enemy> im getting the same results as last time
[16:16] <Teckla> Does anyone else here run Ubuntu 22.04 on Hyper-V?
[16:16] <alkisg_web> street-enemy, does the same stick/CD work in another PC? To verify it's not downloaded or written wrong...
[16:16] <mjt0k> how it's done in ubuntu/ppa when on wants to provide several versions of a package (in several PPAs?) with support libraries which are common to all versions?
[16:17] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: Sorry for your limited experience, but many non-Linux devices reserve system directories from file transfer.
[16:17] <mjt0k> s/on/one/
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> ask your question to the channel Teckla so volunteers can think along with your issue
[16:17] <Teckla> lotuspsychje: Good idea, thanks!
[16:17] <lagunaloire> Teckla no i only have the home version not the professional version that includes hyper-visor vm
[16:18] <lagunaloire> jhutchins..yes for system files they do... but many directories on an android phone are publicly available through libmtp
[16:18] <Teckla> I'm running Ubuntu 22.04 on Hyper-V.  It has been working for several months without issue.  However, starting a few weeks ago, it freezes periodically, requiring a hard power-off of the VM.  Has anyone else experienced similar issues?
[16:19] <lagunaloire> jhutchins that is because they don't want people messing with the system files or then if you mess anything up..you have to unlock the boot loader on the phone and install a new kernel and os
[16:19] <lagunaloire> jhutchins i have 60 years of telephone experience
[16:19] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: What the manufacturer considers "system" varies.  I have a couple of devices that have a full "user space" filesystem that's reserved, and they default to that system for all storage.
[16:19] <lagunaloire> jhutchins going back to modems on the trs80model 1
[16:20] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, you could indeed use multiple PPAs, "library", "version1", "version2" etc; then users would have the  "library ppa" and one over the "version x"
[16:20] <Teckla> lagunaloire: Old 8-bit computers!  <3
[16:21] <lagunaloire> Teckla yes in the beginning of the days for silicon based high speed electronic switches computing and its effects for telephone communications
[16:21] <Teckla> lagunaloire: I spent countless hours on 8-bit machines and acoustic couplers and such  :)
[16:22] <lagunaloire> Teckla..yes they were a lot of fun...back in the old days when we were pioneering all kinds of boundary breakthroughs
[16:23] <lagunaloire> Teckla before google took over the phone business and captured a large market share from microsoft and apple...with generic android phones
[16:24] <jhutchins> Charming as such reminicenses may be, they do not contribute to finding solutions, and they are off-topic for this channel.
[16:24] <lagunaloire> jhutchins ok
[16:27] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: are the support libraries just copied to every package version PPA in turn?
[16:28] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, no, they will be in a single ppa, and your users will pull them from there
[16:28] <lagunaloire> jhuthins i just checked in today to see if anyone had a clue where to put the soundfonts so the snap version of gzdoom will find them for music
[16:28] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, do you mean build-time libraries for the compilation, or run-time libraries later on for your users?
[16:29] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: both
[16:29] <alkisg_web> And they're built from the same package?
[16:29] <alkisg_web> *source package, of course
[16:29] <mjt0k> no, from separate packages
[16:29] <mjt0k> common for all versions of the main package
[16:30] <alkisg_web> AFAIK you'll need the build time libraries in all your PPAs, while you can put the run-time libraries in a common PPA
[16:30] <alkisg_web> Your users will need to run `add-apt-repository ppa:mjt0k/libraries` and `add-apt-repository ppa:mjt0k/version1`
[16:31] <mjt0k> lemme think.. I can refer to them in a way similar to focal/binary-amd64/ vs pool
[16:31] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: I end up putting mine in an accessible directory, from which I can then import them to the specific sound selections.
[16:31] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, btw why do you need multiple versions of the same package in the same series? It's not too common...
[16:32] <jhutchins> Android isn't like microsoft, each manufacturer's version has the potential to be their own implementation.
[16:32] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: because once new upstream .0 version is out, it is usually not a good idea to install it due to bugs fixed in .1 version, to the very least. The package in question is samba
[16:33] <dartz> sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:33] <lagunaloire> jhutchins well i tried several usable directories and i also added a path in gzdoom.ini file for /usr/share/sounds/sf2 but it still does not find them
[16:33] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, so once .1 is released, in which case a user would need to install .0? Why keep it around?
[16:34] <dartz> linux sucks kill all linux users
[16:34] <dartz> kill linux
[16:34] <dartz> die
[16:34] <dartz> die
[16:34] <dartz> die
[16:34] <dartz> die
[16:34] <lagunaloire> dartz...why..most of us like linux
[16:34] <lagunaloire> dartz..it has a very popular kernel
[16:35] <dartz> your;are a nobo
[16:35] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: nope, it is a bit different; current samba is 4.16.5, the series is 4.16. it is supported upstream. The new series is 4.17, currently at 4.17.1, but lots of people are still not confident enough to switch to 4.17. So I keep samba-4.16-jammy and samba-4.17-jammy
[16:35] <dartz> booob
[16:35] <dartz> boob
[16:35] <dartz> boob
[16:35] <dartz> fdaobteorhodbg
[16:35] <dartz> fs
[16:36] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, if these are different package names, they can then co-exist in the same ppa
[16:36] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: nope, the same names, you choose which to install by choosing the right ppa
[16:36] <alkisg_web> OK, then yes go with the scheme I proposed, one common ppa and one per version
[16:37] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: and the support libs (talloc/tevent/tdb) needs to be the same for all versions
[16:37] <alkisg_web> You can also build the common libraries once, and then use the "copy packages" function
[16:37] <mjt0k> function of what?
[16:37] <alkisg_web> Then your users will only need to add a single ppa, they won't need a common/library ppa
[16:37] <alkisg_web> Of launchpad, it has a "copy packages from ppa to ppa" link
[16:38] <mjt0k> fwiw, I'm not really doing ppa, and don't even have launchpad account I think
[16:38] <mjt0k> I'm just trying to understand how it is done
[16:38] <alkisg_web> Eh, that's a completely different discussion then :D
[16:38] <jhutchins> Packages with different files/versions should never have the same name.  Ever.  PPAs that do not follow this rule are referred to as rogues.
[16:38] <mjt0k> this is incorrect jhutchins
[16:38] <mjt0k> we do have the same package names in focal and jammy for example
[16:39] <mjt0k> we do have the same package names in focal and focal-backports
[16:39] <alkisg_web> jhutchins, the package version will be different; the name will be the same
[16:40] <alkisg_web> E.g. currently in Ubuntu 22.04, apt policy python3 => shows two packages with the same name, different versions
[16:40] <jhutchins> mjt0k: Different version numbers are significant.  Good PPA practice also provides a unique identifier to allow matching of all packages sourced from that PPA.
[16:40] <alkisg_web> And one can install either python3=3.10.6-1~22.04 or python3=3.10.4-0ubuntu2
[16:40] <mjt0k> jhutchins: unique identifier in the debian revision you mean?
[16:40] <jhutchins> alkisg_web: I would consider the version to be part of the unique name.  Obviously the actual package name indicates the software installed, not the version.
[16:41] <lagunaloire> dartz..most of us have a lot of fun with linux for many years...i finally got some blu-ray movies on blu-ray discs...working with vlc on ubuntu and gentoo
[16:41] <lagunaloire> dartz yesterday
[16:41] <alkisg_web> jhutchins, apt upgrades wouldn't work at all if it didn't allow newer versions of the same package name
[16:41] <alkisg_web> I think you're talking about something else...
[16:42] <krytarik> lagunaloire: dartz got banned from the channel btw.
[16:42] <lagunaloire> krytarik oh..ok.
[16:44] <jhutchins> alkisg_web: Yeah, maybe my terminology is sloppy.  The "major" part of a version number should be common to various sources, the specific portion should include some key to the source.
[16:44] <jhutchins> I believe RH includes the source repo in the package metadata, .deb does not.
[16:45] <jhutchins> Then again, I'm not sure how ppapurge works, so there's that.
[16:45] <mjt0k> btw, does canonical pay people for maintaining official packages in ubuntu? :)
[16:48] <alkisg_web> mjt0k, another way to organize this is to provide e.g. samba-current, samba-next and samba-previous meta-packages, and have them depend on packages with different names, 4.17.1, .2,  and .0. Then all these packages could co-exist in the same PPA,
[16:48] <mjt0k> maybe I should stop helping making money for others :)  I maintain samba package in debian and people are asking me constantly to provide samba for ubuntu too. It is easy enough to do, the changes needed are very minor, and it's easy to build samba for several ubuntu versions..
[16:48] <alkisg_web> while since you said you won't be using a PPA, then the versioning rules don't apply, you can have multiple versions of the same package in the same repository without deleting the old versions
[16:48] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: that still require common libs which was my main question. But I now know how to do tht
[16:49] <alkisg_web> If you're using a single ppa, the libs go there, it's not a question anymore :D
[16:49] <mjt0k> alkisg_web: nope, same versions wont work
[16:49] <mjt0k> it is a single repository with several sets of Packages/Sources/Release files
[16:49] <mjt0k> each referencing a part of repository
[16:50] <mjt0k> I know how to build that easily
[16:51] <mjt0k> so effectively its several repositories, or several ppas, sharing a common set of files
[16:51] <mjt0k> (I actually haven't used ubuntu myself)
[16:51] <alkisg_web> The apt repository rules are the same everywhere...
[16:51] <mjt0k> yeah
[16:52] <lagunaloire> mjt0k well ubuntu and debian sid are very close substitutes
[16:52] <mjt0k> I asked here beacuse PPAs are common and maybe this scenario has already been thought about
[16:53] <alkisg_web> PPAs have their own restrictions so the discussion wasn't really to the point
[17:02] <jhutchins> Ideally, versioning from PPAs should be such that it doesn't break the mainstream upgrades.
[17:02] <jhutchins> (See the battle between Debian and Debian Multimedia.)
[17:08] <lagunaloire> well i am glad i got bluray discs working on ubuntu and gentoo yesterday so now i can watch the 1967 version of Camelot with Vanessa Redgrave and Franco Nero as many times as i like with bluray clarity
[17:10] <daum> i'm on ubuntu 20.04 and switched to pipewire so my bluetooth headset mic can be picke dup, but now when i try to connect via the wizard it fails, when using bluetoothctl it says Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed any ideas on how to fix that?
[17:11] <lagunaloire> it was kind of important so i don't forget any of the songs
[17:29] <Teckla> jhutchins: Apologies for the off-topic talk above!
[18:24] <ZestyGuesty> Hi fine folks. I have a quick question which I couldn't find a definitive answer for online - if/when is kinetic's 5.19 kernel expected to be release as HWE for focal/jammy?
[18:24] <murmel> 22.04.2
[18:25] <alkisg> For focal => I don't think it ever will
[18:25] <murmel> alkisg: it will afair
[18:25] <murmel> same thing why bionic got 5.15
[18:25] <alkisg> Which is focal's kernel, LTS+1
[18:25] <murmel> alkisg: bionic, not focal
[18:25] <alkisg> So focal gets up to 22.04.1 kernel, not beyond, afaik...
[18:25] <ZestyGuesty> okay! should've guessed that one. and just to confirm - found an unofficial post saying that's expected in 3-4 months from now?
[18:26] <murmel> ZestyGuesty: very likely feb
[18:26] <alkisg> Oh, bionic? Got 5.15?
[18:26] <murmel> yes
[18:26] <alkisg> Hmm, part of the 10 years support thing?
[18:26] <ZestyGuesty> I was under the impression HWEs are released for as long as the LTS cycle is within the 5 year support
[18:27] <murmel> oh wow, sorry. I misremember
[18:27] <murmel> last one is 5.4 :(
[18:27] <murmel> damn
[18:27] <murmel> alkisg: sorry, you were right
[18:27] <alkisg> https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle
[18:28] <alkisg> Yeh. So I don't think focal will ever get 5.19, unless things change from what they used to be
[18:28] <ZestyGuesty> okay, just saw that it's not correct and 20.04.5 was the last point release
[18:29] <alkisg> Sometimes a .6 release exists, but for grave security issues, not for kernel upgrades
[18:29] <ZestyGuesty> I see
[18:43] <eb_> Anyone using WSL for Ubuntu? How do you like it and what would you say you primarily use it for?
[18:45] <murmel> eb_: it's bascially only for dev work, otherwise use an actual vm
[19:00] <eb_> nice!
[19:03] <ubergeek> I used to use WSL Ubuntu, until I got so sick of the lack of proper terminal clients for Windows, I switched to Linux for full-time workstation, and MacOS for laptop use
[19:03] <ubergeek> WSL's biggest problem for admin use is a lack of a decent terminal for Windows, really.
[19:40] <eb_> ubergeek I've been using Windows Terminal, doesn't seem like a bad option
[19:42] <leftyfb> eb_: ubergeek: feel free to continue the discussion in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:44] <Guest84> Hello. i just upgraded to 22.04, the upgrade process replaced /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook and i think removed KEYFILE_PATTERN on my laptop with FDE. i now cant boot and get dropped into initramfs prompt. i *think* im supposed to edit that file and run update-initramfs to fix it, but that command isnt present and the file doesnt exist. when
[19:44] <Guest84> i boot i see ALERT UUID=xxx does not exist
[19:49] <Guest84> under that (initramfs) prompt, /etc/fstab is blank
[19:50] <brkcore> how do you check latest kernel releases including test and beta versions
[19:51] <enigma9o7> check them for what?
[19:53] <brkcore> enigma9o7, just to see whats available to test/install
[19:58] <enigma9o7> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds might be useful
[20:00] <lurker_8473> apt-cache --no-all-versions show linux-image-generic | grep Version
[20:00] <lurker_8473> ... maybe ?
[20:04] <enigma9o7> Half way down the wiki it provides the link to download them.  https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[20:06] <brkcore> enigma9o7, thanks, I was thinking there would be a tool to check in terminal
[20:09] <enigma9o7> lynx?
[20:11] <brkcore> enigma9o7, thats to browse it
[20:17] <MossUnit03> Hi guys, I'm trying to make my connections to a WIFI router/modem/access point as anonymous as possible, thus, I'm randomizing my MAC address upon every connection, and I randomize my hostname every bootup of my OS, is the hostname and MAC address the only identifying information I need to randomize to make each connection to a wifi ap, completely
[20:17] <MossUnit03> unique?
[20:18] <Habbie> you should dump your dhcp requests with tcpdump or wireshark, and look at what's in them
[20:27] <cube1> When Installing 22.10 I accidentally capitalized the first character in my user password. Now the settings app is refusing me the ability to change to my non-capitalized password, saying it's too weak. 1) This is the password you allowed me to pick. 2) To me, this password is local, only meant to family or whatever from snooping. - Do I have to use a CLI tool of some sort to switch my passwords?
[20:27] <cube1> only mean to stop* family or whatever from snooping
[20:28] <cube1> I don't understand why password strength would matter. It doesn't to me, not for this password. I'd like to use my old password that Ubuntu used to allow me to use
[20:28] <kostkon> !password
[20:28] <toddc> cube1: the installer allows shorter passwords than other methods
[20:29] <cube1> toddc: that's ludicrous
[20:30] <toddc> cube1: well ok but you could reinstall
[20:31] <MossUnit03>  How do I run a gui java program .jar file, I've installed openjdk-11 and i still cant run the .jar file., using Ubuntu 22.04
[20:31] <MossUnit03> How long is your password?
[20:31] <MossUnit03> I've created over 200+ character passwords for LUKs
[20:31] <MossUnit03> using Ubuntu GUI isntaller
[20:32] <cube1> This is my user account's password. It's a normal length. Ubuntu allowed it before, now it's not. This is a giant issue.
[20:32] <cube1> ~10 characters
[20:33] <MossUnit03> My user account passwords are longer than 10 chars
[20:33] <cube1> That the installer has a difference allowance criteria than the settings menu is a bug.
[20:33] <MossUnit03> Mines 25+ characters
[20:34] <bprompt> MossUnit03: to run the .jar just -> java -jar FILENAME.jar
[20:34] <MossUnit03> I set my 25+ user account password  using the ubuntu intial installer
[20:34] <MossUnit03> I used to be able to right click a file > run with java
[20:35] <EriC^> cube1: you could change it using the cli...
[20:35] <greenracer> Can you use Ubuntu Core for servers? Like is there an nginx snap for it?
[20:35] <EriC^> cube1: type "passwd"
[20:35] <MossUnit03> ok guys
[20:35] <MossUnit03> I need to uninstall my java versions
[20:35] <MossUnit03> I install openjdk 18 and its bugged
[20:36] <MossUnit03> How do I easily uninstall things
[20:36] <toddc> using the installer I use 4 digits on desktop after luks but on servers I use apg 15+ random keep in keepassXC so no issue for me
[20:36] <Guest84> i just upgraded to 22.04, the upgrade process replaced /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook and i think removed KEYFILE_PATTERN on my laptop with FDE. i now cant boot and get dropped into initramfs prompt. i *think* im supposed to edit that file and run update-initramfs to fix it, but that command isnt present and the file doesnt exist. when i boot
[20:36] <Guest84> i see ALERT UUID=xxx does not exist
[20:37] <MossUnit03> How do I uninstall this "apt install openjdk-18-jre-headless
[20:37] <MossUnit03> " ?
[20:37] <cube1> EriC^: I'm trying to use the operating system as designed for a regular user. I tried though: "BAD PASSWORD: The password differs with case changes only"
[20:37] <cube1> great
[20:37] <cube1> That's a bug, too. A different error message from the one in the GUI.
[20:38] <Guest91> Hi
[20:38] <cube1> Why wasn't this fixed in 1972?
[20:38] <EriC^> cube1: do you want to whine or get it fixed?
[20:38] <cube1> With a test case so it'd never come up again. Well now it can be fixed and remain fixed for 10,000 years
[20:38] <cube1> I want to switch to SerenityOS is what I want to do
[20:39] <EriC^> i mean your own pc do you want it fixed
[20:39] <EriC^> ok
[20:39] <Guest91> Hi God. I know you have kept ignoring me but I am really needing your help right now. Please please please don't ignore me. I really want you to help me. I am sick and tired of my life. I know people are going to think I'm nuts but I just want one thing God. Please.
[20:39] <Guest91> Dear GOD/GODS and/or anyone else who can HELP ME (e.g. TIME TRAVELERS or MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS):
[20:39] <Guest91> The next time I wake up, please change my physical form to that of FINN MCMILLAN formerly of SOUTH NEW BRIGHTON at 8 YEARS OLD and keep it that way FOREVER.
[20:39] <Guest91> I am so sick of this chubby Asian man body!
[20:39] <Guest91> Thank you!
[20:39] <Guest91> - CHAUL JHIN KIM (a.k.a. A DESPERATE SOUL)
[20:39] <MossUnit03> Wait
[20:39] <MossUnit03> Dude seriously
[20:39] <MossUnit03> I wanted to talk to that guy
[20:40] <demonTal> ...why
[20:40] <oerheks> MossUnit03, he is gone, and offtopic
[20:43] <cube1> EriC^: Thanks for trying to help. I fixed it by running passwd under sudo. It worked without a force flag like '-f', so that's a bug too. Criteria should be the same regardless of who is changing the password, at least until forced by root via a flag.
[20:43] <cube1> So that's a few bugs that can be fixed now
[20:44] <cube1> No reason why root running a command shouldn't be notified of issues
[20:45] <cube1> Installer, gui, non-root passwd, and root passwd all have different behaviors.
[20:46] <cube1> As if passwords are a joke. So then why have quality criteria?
[20:46] <oerheks> ubuntu has no root password enabled. and reading back your issue, it makes no sense at all
[20:47] <cube1> oerheks: my password was for example 'tada' in Ubuntu 22.04 but I accidentally set it to 'Tada' in Ubuntu 22.10 and was unable to change it back
[20:47] <MossUnit03> How do I get my GUI so I can right-click a .jar and "open with Java"
[20:51] <enigma9o7> Moss: open a file manager
[20:51] <enigma9o7> they do that exact kinda thiing
[20:53] <Guest84> i upgraded to 22.04 on my FDE laptop and cant boot anymore. i type in the passphrase but then get dropped into an initramfs prompt with "ALERT! UUID=xxx does not exist"
[20:54] <enigma9o7> well, at least its encrypted.
[20:54] <Guest84> on a live usb i can still mount the lvm and see my disks files. i think something with booting is just screwed up.
[20:56] <EriC^> Guest84: set up a chroot, do you know how?
[20:56] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03..well try to find gnome or kde mime settings to automatically invoke java for a jar file..i haven't seen a jar file in many many years....there were a few about 14 years ago for some simple java games
[20:56] <Guest84> no
[20:56] <MossUnit03> it used to work automatically
[20:56] <MossUnit03> I'd install java openjdk someversion, etc
[20:56] <MossUnit03> then I could rightclick open with JAva
[20:56] <EriC^> Guest84: ok, how did you decrypt the rootfs? cli or ..?
[20:57] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03 well maybe an app changed your mime settings..try to edit it for the jar entry
[20:57] <MossUnit03> it wasnt that hard before
[20:57] <MossUnit03> 1. Install Java someversion. 2. Right click > run using Java JDK etc
[20:57] <Guest84> Eric^: live usb, cryptsetup and mount command
[20:58] <EriC^> ok great, what did you use at the end of the command Guest84
[20:58] <EriC^> for the name
[20:58] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03..well i haven't messed with java in more than 10 years since sun wanted to go back to propietary ownership of java...so there were a few games many years ago...but i haven't seem much lately because i am not interested
[20:58] <Guest84> one sec, booting back into it
[20:59] <EriC^> ok, if you decrypt it, use the name of the luks partition e.g sda3_crypt for instance
[20:59] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03 the only propietary stuff i still like is stories in movie or game form
[20:59] <EriC^> or run 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here to see the partition table before running cryptsetup
[21:00] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03 because code changes every month on gentoo and ubuntu...but good stories with good music last forever
[21:01] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03 like the 1967 Camelot with Vanessa looking great and retelling her story
[21:01] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03..of how lancelot was one in a million
[21:01] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03 and so was gweneviere
[21:02] <lagunaloire> MossUnit03..Vanessa is almost as beautiful as Aeris and Tifa
[21:03] <Guest84> EriC^: sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p2 crypt; sudo mount /dev/mapper/crypt /mnt
[21:03] <Guest84> i can then see things under /mnt
[21:04] <EriC^> Guest84: try 'cat /mnt/etc/crypttab'
[21:04] <EriC^> what's it say at the end of the line blabla_crypt
[21:05] <Guest84> two lines likes luks-aaaa-blah UUID=bbb-blah /crypto_keyfile.bin luks,discard
[21:05] <fauxpride> Hi. I'm on 20.04 and I'm having some trouble with bluetooth no longer working after the computer has been idle for more than a day or two.
[21:06] <EriC^> Guest84: oh ok
[21:06] <fauxpride> Had the same issue on 18.04, but fixed it by updating the bluez version (which is no longer shipped with Focal Fossa): https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036195/bluetooth-doesnt-work-after-resuming-from-sleep-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[21:06] <fauxpride> Any idea on anything else I could try?
[21:07] <Guest84> Eric^: both lines have different uuids, they dont match the initramfs error message
[21:07] <EriC^> Guest84: odd, can you share 'cat /mnt/etc/crypttab | nc termbin.com 9999' ?
[21:07] <EriC^> it will pastebin the contents and give a link'
[21:08] <Guest84> https://termbin.com/n9jl
[21:10] <EriC^> Guest84: ok type "for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[21:10] <EriC^> then type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[21:11] <Guest84> done. prompt changed to root@neon:/#
[21:12] <EriC^> ok, type "blkid | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:12] <EriC^> curious about the uuid situation
[21:13] <Guest84> https://termbin.com/7y2b
[21:14] <EriC^> nvm..p2 is the /home dir?
[21:14] <EriC^> i mean p3
[21:14] <EriC^> Guest84: nevermind, type 'mount -a'
[21:15] <Guest84-liveusb> Eric^: using this account to IRC on the live-usb laptop, was manually copy/pasting from another device
[21:15] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: ok, actually type 'mount /boot/efi'
[21:16] <Guest84-liveusb> Eric^: mount: /boot/efi: /dev/nvme0n1p1 already mounted on /boot/efi.
[21:16] <EriC^> aha you ran mount -a?
[21:16] <Guest84-liveusb> yes
[21:16] <EriC^> ah ok nice
[21:16] <Guest84-liveusb> p1 i think is boot, p2 is the main partition, p3 i think is swap
[21:17] <EriC^> oh ok
[21:17] <EriC^> try 'update-initramfs -c -k all'
[21:18] <Guest84-liveusb> root@neon:/# update-initramfs -c -k all
[21:18] <Guest84-liveusb> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-50-generic
[21:18] <Guest84-liveusb> cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'crypt' not found in /etc/crypttab
[21:18] <Guest84-liveusb> W: Couldn't identify type of root file system for fsck hook
[21:18] <Guest84-liveusb> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-52-generic
[21:18] <Guest84-liveusb> cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'crypt' not found in /etc/crypttab
[21:19] <EriC^> wonder what to call it, usually it used to say sda3_crypt or so at the end of crypttab line and that's what you'd need to call it when using luksOpen
[21:19] <arraybolt3> Guest84-liveusb: Try using a pastebin like https://bpa.st next time, pasting large content in here results in a flood-prevention bot muting you for 60 seconds. Sorry for the inconvenience.
[21:19] <EriC^> seems this crypttab format is new on 22.04
[21:19] <fauxpride> Correction on the above: the version of bluez that fixed it on 18.04 doesn't work on 20.04. Apparently it's a bug, I'ma wait for the fix: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1399904/ubuntu-20-04-no-bluethooth-found
[21:19] <EriC^> 1sec
[21:19] <bprompt> Guest84-liveusb: continuous pastes in less than 1 sec, triggers the bot
[21:20] <Guest84-liveusb> yup. my bad on the spam
[21:21] <arraybolt3> Eh, no problem. I am interested in what's happening here, is this another instance of "can't boot encrypted installation"?
[21:21] <arraybolt3> I didn't read the backlog so I don't know.
[21:22] <Guest84-liveusb> i upgraded KDE Neon to 22.04, got stuck at boot dropping into initramfs
[21:22] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: ah ok, we need to call it "luks-e4b7eeba-8f72-4df0-baca-d942a29512d7"
[21:22] <arraybolt3> Ugh.
[21:22] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: type 'exit' then "sudo umount -R /mnt"
[21:23] <arraybolt3> EriC^: I think the problem is that the disks need to be mounted as the name that is in crypttab, so if Guest84-liveusb simply opened the encrypted drives in Dolphin to mount them, this will result.
[21:23] <Guest84-liveusb> i did get a prompt to update /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook and i think the diff removed KEYFILE_PATTERN from it, if that helps any
[21:23] <Guest84-liveusb> as part of the dist upgrade
[21:23] <Guest84-liveusb> but that's from memory
[21:23] <arraybolt3> (Also as a sidenote, KDE neon is *technically* off-topic here, however the reason for not-quite-Ubuntu distros being off-topic is because they may have made changes that could make debugging them tricky for Ubuntu developers. As a Neon user myself, I believe that problem doesn't apply to Neon, so I don't think it matters here.)
[21:23] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: which guide did you use to make it FDE?
[21:24] <Guest84-liveusb> very vanilla 'whole disk encryption' guided install
[21:24] <bprompt> arraybolt3: http://pastie.org/p/4uamjIw6fYjZ8A8GyeEXPZ   <--- original issue
[21:24] <Guest84-liveusb> arraybolt3: yeah i took a gamble that this may have been an ubuntu-specific thing rather than neon specific
[21:24] <arraybolt3> Yep, I think I've seen this before. Easiest way to fix it in my experience is actually to boot *from* the initramfs prompt and get into the system, then update the initramfs.
[21:25] <arraybolt3> Guest84-liveusb: Did you already paste the contents of your crypttab in here somewhere?
[21:25] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: it seems like that's the problem, the conf-hook thing, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1424144/encrypted-disk-not-available-in-boot-process-after-distro-upgrade
[21:25] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Since when are other flavors of standard Ubuntu off topic?
[21:26] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Neon isn't technically an official flavor. Neither is Pop!_OS, Linux Mint, etc. However, Neon is only very slightly different than Ubuntu and the guts are identical AFAIK, so I don't care. I would care if it was something more radically changes like Pop or Mint.
[21:26] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Ok, so you're not excluding kubuntu, I misunderstood.
[21:26] <Guest84-liveusb> arraybolt3: https://termbin.com/n9jl
[21:26] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Correct.
[21:26] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: i found the solution online
[21:27] <jhutchins> KDE has been known to come up with fanciful names for various releases.
[21:27] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: type 'exit' then "sudo umount -R /mnt"
[21:27] <arraybolt3> Guest84-liveusb: Ew. Well that's unexpected, but maybe that's just how Calamares does it. It looks like EriC^ has it under control, so I won't take over, but if things still don't work right, I have a trick up my sleeve that might help out.
[21:28] <Guest84-liveusb> Eric^: that link you shared above? should i try that echo statement thing?
[21:28] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: yeah but first we need to fix the name so update-initramfs works
[21:28] <Guest84-liveusb> k
[21:28] <EriC^> exit the chroot, then umount -R /mnt
[21:29] <Guest84-liveusb> sudo umount -R says "umount: /mnt/dev/pts: target is busy."
[21:29] <EriC^> is it open in any terminal?
[21:30] <EriC^> cd /mnt anywhere?
[21:30] <Guest84-liveusb> completely closed and reopened konsole, same message
[21:30] <EriC^> hmm, i'd just restart honestly, we have to luksClose and whatnot anyways
[21:31] <Guest84-liveusb> ok, restarting. brb
[21:31] <EriC^> ok
[21:34] <Guest84-liveusb> EriC^: back. console open, have not done anything further
[21:36] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: great
[21:37] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: type "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p2 luks-e4b7eeba-8f72-4df0-baca-d942a29512d7"
[21:37] <Guest84-liveusb> done
[21:38] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: now type "sudo mount /dev/mapper/luks-e4b7eeba-8f72-4df0-baca-d942a29512d7 /mnt"
[21:39] <Guest84-liveusb> wait. crap. i copy/pasted wrong and missed the trailing 7.
[21:40] <eelstrebor> synaptic versus apt versus snap - which should i use?
[21:40] <Guest84-liveusb> so i have ...29512d not ...29512d7
[21:40] <oerheks> snap for snaps ...
[21:40] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: no worries, type 'sudo cryptsetup luksClose luks-e4b7eeba-8f72-4df0-baca-d942a29512d
[21:41] <Guest84-liveusb> done. repeat with more careful copy/paste?
[21:41] <EriC^> yup
[21:41] <wr> getting an error on a snap package install https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a2aae08f/ what could i check?
[21:42] <Guest84-liveusb> EriC^: done. appreciate your patience, laptop keyboards are finnicky
[21:42] <EriC^> no problem
[21:42] <Guest84-liveusb> luksopen and mount both completed
[21:43] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: ok, type "for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[21:43] <EriC^> then "sudo chroot /mnt"
[21:43] <oerheks> wr,  the classic version is a bit out of date? use the latest; sudo snap install riseup-vpn --edge --classic
[21:43] <Guest84-liveusb> chroot success
[21:43] <EriC^> great, type "mount -a"
[21:43] <EriC^> now for the good stuff
[21:44] <Guest84-liveusb> no output but success
[21:44] <wr> oerheks, ok gonna try --edge
[21:44] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: echo "KEYFILE_PATTERN=/etc/luks/*.keyfile" >> /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook
[21:44] <EriC^> then "update-initramfs -c -k all"
[21:44] <Guest84-liveusb> done.
[21:45] <Guest84-liveusb> fyi if i do an ls, i don't have an /etc/luks/ folder
[21:45] <EriC^> hmm
[21:45] <eelstrebor> oerheks, i found that i can install firefox and vlc  with apt and synaptic and snap - snap seems to do different things with firefox and vlc
[21:45] <Guest84-liveusb> root@neon:/# ls /etc/luks.... ls: cannot access /etc/luks: no such file or directory
[21:46] <Guest84-liveusb> there is a /crypto_keyfile.bin though
[21:47] <wr> oerheks, i get a similar error fail, am on a Debian also, but before it was working
[21:47] <Guest84-liveusb> as in the root folder / . not sure if that fits
[21:47] <eelstrebor> after removing vlc with synaptic and installing it with snap, vlc will no longer launch when i d/l a m3u file
[21:47] <eelstrebor> from firefox
[21:48] <oerheks> eelstrebor, check for permissions in settings > applications > firefox/vlc
[21:48] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: i wonder, is there any backup file there, try "ls -l /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs"
[21:49] <Guest84-liveusb> oh damn. yeah there's a conf-hook.dpkg-old
[21:49] <Guest84-liveusb> and it's referencing that root file
[21:49] <wr> oerheks, still https://paste.debian.net/hidden/99541981/
[21:49] <eelstrebor> oerheks, i assume you're talking about firefox->settings - there isn't anything there for vlc or m3u files
[21:50] <oerheks> no, gnome settings
[21:51] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: great, type 'nano /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook' and edit it so that it's similar to the old one's keyfile pattern line
[21:51] <Guest84-liveusb> EriC^: i changed it to KEYFILE_PATTERN=/crypto_keyfile.bin like in the conf-hook.dpkg-old file
[21:51] <EriC^> great
[21:51] <EriC^> type "update-initramfs -c -k all"
[21:52] <Guest84-liveusb> Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-50-generic, now without the warning/error
[21:52] <EriC^> awesome
[21:52] <EriC^> run 'update-grub' for good measure, then type 'exit' and try rebooting
[21:53] <Guest84-liveusb> done. see you on the other side!
[21:53] <EriC^> goodluck!
[21:56] <Guest84-liveusb> EriC^: reporting to you live from a functioning laptop!
[21:57] <EriC^> \o/
[21:57] <Guest84-liveusb> EriC^: thank you so much for your help. i really appreciate it
[21:58] <EriC^> Guest84-liveusb: no problem
[21:58] <Guest84-liveusb> i'm going to reboot once more just to make sure it persists
[21:58] <EriC^> ok
[22:00] <Guest84-liveusb> Eric^: awesome. I am good to go. thank you again!
[22:01] <Guest84-liveusb> arraybolt3: thank you as well
[22:01] <arraybolt3> Guest84-liveusb: I didn't really do anything but sure!
[22:01] <Guest84-liveusb> you were ready to pitch in and that ain't nothing!
[22:07] <arraybolt3> Guest84-liveusb: :)
[22:14] <eelstrebor> i guess i'm on my own to solve my problem or just live with it.
[22:15] <jhutchins> eelstrebor: You could just remove the snap and re-install the .deb package.  It probably has access to things like the system mime definitions that should be protected from the snap.
[22:16] <bprompt> eelstrebor: I don't use gnome, I use another filemanager, hmmmm, the easier way will be through the file manager's GUI, but I mostly do it manually
[22:30] <Elliria> Hey there. My computer's temporarily broken and I'm using my laptop instead. I'd like to use my computer's USB keyboard (Razer Blackwidow). Can I plug that in while the laptop is on or should I shut it down first?
[22:31] <bprompt> Elliria: if it's just a usb keyboard, just plug it in, while running is fine
[22:31] <arraybolt3> Elliria: Plugging in USB keyboards should always be save.
[22:32] <arraybolt3> And if it's not safe, something is *severely wrong* with your keyboard.
[22:32] <arraybolt3> Old PS/2 keyboards generally couldn't be plugged in while the system was on, but USB changed that.
[22:32] <Elliria> Oh, thank you so much. This laptop keyboard is for the birds.
[22:32] <arraybolt3> (I mean, USB anything can be hot-plugged, PS/2 stuff can't generally.)
[22:32] <Elliria> Good to know. Thanks.
[22:33] <bprompt> right, addendum:  PS2 ports may not be known to many new users, they're from the Crustacean period
[22:34] <arraybolt3> bprompt: I still have lots of PS/2 stuff over here. I figured they probably knew about it if they weren't sure if USB could be hotplugged.
[22:36] <bprompt> heheh, arraybolt3 new machines don't even have DVD drives and some not even HDMI since usb-C is moving on =), let alone ps/2, but I know, I used them :), used to run Mandrake 9.2 as well as windows 3.1
[22:38] <arraybolt3> bprompt: I'm using a machine with no DVD drive and Thunderbolt 4, and am planning on resurrecting a Pentium III desktop with PS/2 ports, a discrete ancient NVIDIA card, and a CD-ROM (yes, CD, and yes, ROM) drive. :P
[22:39] <street-enemy> I have an ubuntu live cd that i know works because i tested it on a seperate laptop but it just hangs during boot on the pc im trying to install linux to and it just shows errors for "sgx disabled by bios" and acpi bios error . im not sure what im doing wrong here
[22:56] <bprompt> street-enemy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1406760/sgx-disabled-by-bios-in-ubuntu-22-04    <---- the issue as far as I can tell is just hardware compatibility issue, it "works" on the other machine because the drivers loaded from the Live session were compatible with its hardware, is all, with this laptop, it has issues though
[23:02] <street-enemy> I figured out how to enable the SGX but now the livecd just hangs on vague ACPI errors
[23:03] <street-enemy> it keeps showing an ACPI error for AE_NOT_FOUND
[23:05] <bprompt> street-enemy: the live-boot splash page, has a menu I recall from where you can choose to disable a few things, ACPI being one and APM or such is another, you could try disabling one or both, I run Kubuntu, so my menu may differ from yours
[23:07] <bprompt> street-enemy: you could also trying changing the "graphics" mode the live session is loading
[23:07] <street-enemy> ok
[23:10] <street-enemy> ok getting different results this time seems to be loading i think
[23:10] <street-enemy> i used ACPI=off
[23:10] <street-enemy> the blinking _ means loading right?
[23:12] <arraybolt3> street-enemy: That seems right.
[23:12] <arraybolt3> (Note that with ACPI=off, the system will be *painfully* slow. You will want to upgrade to a new kernel and then be able to get rid of that option once the installation is done. Right now you're limited to only one core of your almost certainly multi-core CPU.)
[23:13] <arraybolt3> I assume you're using a relatively recent PC, right?
[23:13] <street-enemy> yes it is a powerful desktop built in 2019 with a 1070 from 2020
[23:14] <arraybolt3> Yeah, once you get passed installation, I'd install a mainline kernel.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> That will hopefully solve the ACPI woes. There might also be a not-so-crippling kernel option that will work around the issue. Lemme see if I can remember the bot command...
[23:15] <arraybolt3> !acpi
[23:15] <arraybolt3> ^ look at that link when you're done installing and try the stuff there
[23:16] <arraybolt3> Actually try that *before* installing the mainline kernel. Then you can even make a bug report about the problem if you care to.
[23:43] <sem> I am installing linux on a thinkpad :)
[23:43] <sem> For some reason, my bootable USB is not booting from the uefi boot menu. However, a windows recovery usb did boot from it
[23:44] <bprompt> sem: what do you mean from the uefi boot menu?
[23:45] <sem> To boot from USB, I turn the laptop on. I press enter to "interrupt normal startup" - then F12 to select temporary boot device. It takes me to a screen (I assume in uefi) that lets me choose USB
[23:46] <sem> When I am making the USB installation media, does it matter if I choose MBR or GPT?
[23:47] <bprompt> sem:   hmmm well, for UEFI it has to be paired with GPT, so sometimes sounds like an option, but it isn't much of it
[23:48] <sem> I see. Thanks, I will remake the USB drive using GPT
[23:49] <bprompt> sem: hmmm often times the bootable drives are hybrids, all you do is burned the image
[23:49] <toddc> Check bios turn off legacy boot option if present
[23:49] <sem> ok
[23:51] <bprompt> sem: and maybe even turn off secure boot, so it doesn't hassle you
[23:52] <sem> Will I be able to turn secure boot back on once i've installed ubuntu
[23:52] <toddc> no
[23:53] <toddc> but if you have secure boot on you will need to set MOK on first boot