[00:01] <sem> maybe it is not booting because I gave it persistent storage in Rufus
[00:07] <toddc> sem: I have not had luck with rufus as of late but I also had several that would not boot 22.04 so I booted 20.04 then upgraded I assume a bios issue
[00:07] <sem> i'm trying it with balenaetcher
[00:08] <sem> if this doesn't work I'll try a different usb drive
[00:10] <sem> the one I made in balenaetcher is working :) thanks for the tip
[00:11] <toddc> sem whatever it takes glad you got it
[00:20] <JimmyNeutron> .quit
[00:20] <JimmyNeutron> .quit
[00:23] <sem> try /quit
[00:27] <jhutchins> sem: The only reason to have secure boot turned on is to prevent anybody from installing linux on your system.  Don't bother.
[00:28] <sem> there is another reason
[00:28] <sem> when you boot up, it doesn't paint a big red "not secure"
[00:28] <sem> I thought I didn't care about that, but after seeing it many times I realized I did care
[00:54] <cassepipe> Does POSIX guarantess that a new file descriptor will always be the lowest available ?
[00:57] <cassepipe> man 2 open suggests it is the case for linux
[01:48] <BCB> anyone familiar with certbot on Ubuntu?
[01:49] <BCB> or is there a certbot channel?
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> !alis | BCB
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> BCB: there's a #limnoria channel, not sure about certbot
[01:59] <BCB> Thanks
[02:32] <noarb> I used 'sudo auto-apt-proxy sbuild-createchroot ...' to create a chroot for packages, with apt-cacher-ng enabled on my machine, but it still seems like each build re-downloads all packages. Is there a way I can verify it's working or not?
[02:45] <noarb> is there an apt log to tell where it makes request? Instead of seeing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ I would hope for 127.0.0.1
[02:48] <murmel> noarb: you need to install auto-apt-proxy also in the chroot
[02:48] <murmel> the chroot doesn't know there is a proxy
[02:49] <murmel> or configure your proxy inside the chroot, if you dont want to install package
[02:50] <murmel> noarb: /var/lib/schroot/chroot/<chroot>/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[02:54] <murmel> or rather where you created the chroot
[02:57] <noarb> murmel: yep, that was it. Decreased a build time by ~60%
[02:57] <noarb> I had to --include=auto-apt-proxy
[02:57] <noarb> thanks for your help. It's amazing you knew that with not enough info :)
[03:02] <murmel> noarb: well I rebuild stuff myself, so why wouldn't I know that ;)
[03:02] <murmel> well that just installs auto-apt-proxy, so seems good ;)
[05:27] <hams> can i modify the hostfile manually in ubuntu or do i need to use the netsplan thing?
[05:27] <hams> im using ubuntu server.
[05:30] <Oslobo> Hello here
[05:33] <Oslobo> I'm french and I'm now using ubuntu 20.04LTS on an HP PC255-G6-Notebook and I wonder if it will slow down my laptop to upgrade to 22.04LTS
[05:34] <Oslobo> ?
[05:35] <ravage> Oslobo, probably not
[05:35] <Oslobo> probably ?
[05:35] <Oslobo> it depends on what?
[05:36] <hams> percentage of french.
[05:36] <Oslobo> ???
[05:37] <Oslobo> it's a joke !
[05:37] <ravage> the system requirements are the same. it is still a major system upgrade. i cant predict all kinds of problems that may cause
[05:37] <murmel> Oslobo: very likely as your laptop is already quite old. but you could move to a different graphical interface. that would definitely help and mitigate a lot of stress on the cpu
[05:38] <Liowenex> Sup
[05:38] <Oslobo> which graphical interface is possible ?
[05:38] <Liowenex> Wait this is #ubuntu not #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:39] <Liowenex> Oslobo, What are your system specifications?
[05:39] <Liowenex> I'll be able to tell you, seems like my arrival is most opportune
[05:39] <murmel> Oslobo: I would recommend, something like plasma, xfce or mate
[05:40] <Oslobo> gnome 3.36.8
[05:41] <Liowenex> Oslobo, If you have a dated computer, I highly recommend MATE, which is a fork of GNOME 2, which Ubuntu used just over a decade ago, and it doesn't require as much learning from a GNOME 3 user as switching to KDE/Plasma or Xfce might
[05:42] <murmel> Liowenex: they move to gnome3, so there is not that much of a difference anymore, but still better than gnome
[05:42] <Oslobo> thanks Liowenex
[05:43] <murmel> eh I mean they move to gtk3 not gnome3 :S
[05:43] <alkisg> Oslobo: what's the output of this? grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo; grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
[05:43] <Liowenex> GTK4 is the move Gnome 3 has made
[05:44] <Oslobo> bye there
[05:44] <Liowenex> Oslobo, You could stay awhile and chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:44] <Oslobo> i'm sorry i'm quite a newbie
[05:45] <Oslobo> ok Liowenex
[06:34] <SteelRose> Good morning all!
[06:34] <SteelRose> my audio devices are all gone. Is that a known issue?
[06:34] <SteelRose> I'm using 20.04 LTS
[06:34] <SteelRose> Thanks
[06:36] <hermano> I have an apple trackpad with ubuntu 22.04. It works fine apart from when restart/starting my machine, bluetooth comes up, but the trackpad always starts as status "disconnected". Is there a way of setting it to auto start?
[06:36] <Liowenex> Have you run an apt update & upgrade, then restarted your computer SteelRose?
[06:37] <SteelRose> Liowenex: yes, only minor upgrades are applied and none of them are related to sound or firmware
[06:37] <murmel> SteelRose: does the system still detect the device?
[06:38] <SteelRose> murmel: nope :-(
[06:39] <SteelRose> wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh <- I ran this and... https://pastebin.com/7bcrWrmW
[06:46] <SteelRose> BRB - reboot
[06:55] <SteelRose> re! I narrowed the problem down to KDE ...
[06:56] <SteelRose> the volume icon turns from red (no devices) to white (something is there) only when I connect the Bluetooth headset...
[06:56] <SteelRose> it should be always white as the laptop has built-in mic and speakers...
[07:00] <i-garrison> SteelRose: any /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc? do you dual-boot with windows?
[07:01] <i-garrison> SteelRose: error: failed to boot DSP firmware - looks like a problem with card, try cold boot
[07:02] <SteelRose_> i-garrison: no dual boot, only Ubuntu 20.04 on this laptop
[07:03] <SteelRose_> i-garrison: what's cold boot? Oo
[07:03] <murmel> SteelRose_: completely turn off, boot
[07:03] <murmel> so no reboot ;)
[07:03] <SteelRose_> murmel: I turned my laptop on this morning
[07:03] <SteelRose_> i-garrison: no asound files at all in my system
[07:03] <murmel> so a cold boot also doesn't help hm
[07:07] <murmel> SteelRose: did it work before?
[07:08] <murmel> because your ubuntu release is quite old for the device
[07:10] <SteelRose> murmel: it was working 100% fine
[07:10] <SteelRose> 20.04 LTS might be old but it's still supported
[07:10] <murmel> i am not talking about not supported, but newer intel sounds devices need firmware, which 20.04 doesn't include
[07:10] <murmel> that's why I was asking
[07:14] <murmel> SteelRose: was there maybe a kernel upgrade in the last upgrade you did?
[07:14] <SteelRose> murmel: nope, only minor stuff (python, terraform...)
[07:14] <SteelRose> murmel: I'm checking the apt logs now...
[07:15] <Liowenex> Why 20.04??
[07:15] <Liowenex> Unity isn't great
[07:18] <murmel> Liowenex: oO what are you talking about? 20.04 is on gnome
[07:18] <murmel> the last lts unity release was 16.04, so quite a bit older
[07:48] <kkkssf> So there are these "kept back" packages in apt again: "alsa-ucm-conf gdb". Is there an list where i can lookup if its an phased update or not?
[07:53] <kkkssf> or is it possible to determine it through cmdline maybe with apt?
[07:55] <EriC^> kkkssf: apt-cache policy <package>
[07:57] <kkkssf> EriC^ but how do i see that the package is kept back because its an phased update?
[07:58] <kkkssf> for gdb i got this output
[07:58] <kkkssf>   Installiert:           12.0.90-0ubuntu1
[07:58] <kkkssf>   Installationskandidat: 12.1-0ubuntu1~22.04
[07:58] <kkkssf>   Versionstabelle:
[07:58] <kkkssf>      12.1-0ubuntu1~22.04 500 (gestaffelt 20%)
[07:58] <kkkssf>         500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates/main amd64 Packages
[07:59] <EriC^> gestaffelt 20%
[08:01] <kkkssf> EriC^ Thank you
[08:03] <kkkssf> Are security updates also phased or are these only non-security updates?
[08:04] <EriC^> kkkssf: no problem
[08:05] <kkkssf> Is that some kind of stabillity over security  trade-off thing?
[08:06] <SteelRose> Liowenex: I use KDE
[08:07] <Liowenex> Alright
[08:12] <EriC^> kkkssf: hope this helps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[08:22] <ravage> it was so helpful he even forgot to say thanks
[08:22] <ravage> awesome :)
[08:22] <ravage> well he did before :P
[09:37] <anddam> howdy, I am using 20.04 on WSL2, I see `ii  openssl        1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.16 amd64        Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - cryptographic utility`
[09:37] <anddam> `$ dpkg -L openssl | grep /etc/ssl/op`  prints `/etc/ssl/openssl.cnf `
[09:38] <anddam> yet no /etc/ssl is to be seen. Is this unexpected for an installed package with a file at that path in its listed content?
[09:54] <anddam> oh it's worse, I reinstalled openssl and now I have /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf -> /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf   but the symlink target is not there
[10:01] <Misha[m]> What is the difference between #ubuntu:libera.chat and #ubuntu:matrix.org  ?
[10:01] <ravage> the one on matrix is not bridged to this IRC channel
[10:02] <gordonjcp> Misha[m]: libera.chat is irc, matrix.org is an unmoderatable federated fetid swamp of villainy and porn
[10:02] <gordonjcp> matrix is great if you like unsolicited dick pics and loli pr0n getting pasted in 24/7
[10:02] <ravage> please watch you language gordonjcp
[10:03] <gordonjcp> I've outright banned bridging matrix to any of the IRC channels I run
[10:04] <ravage> and stay on topic
[10:04] <gordonjcp> ravage: oh, you're not even allowed to mention hazards in here? Cool, cool...
[10:04] <gordonjcp> ravage: Misha[m] asked a question, I answered it
[10:11] <satori> if a server doesn't permit password login how can I copy my ssh key to it?
[10:11] <ravage> login on the local console and pull the key from somewhere
[10:12] <borked2022> test
[10:12] <satori> ravage: ah, yes, that sounds possible.
[10:13] <borked2022> can somebody please trigger the bot that tells me the current jammy kernel?
[10:15] <ravage> borked2022, https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/linux-image-generic
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic jammy
[10:17] <borked2022> thanks ravage
[10:20] <borked2022> is anybody in the mood to help me troubleshoot zfs upgrade/boot issues? This is where i'm at now: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2480236&page=2
[10:37] <cry0xen> !info linux-image-generic jammy
[10:40] <Harm133> Hey guys. I want to setup a softraid to boot off of with raid 1 on 8 disks and UEFI. Is this possible on ubuntu server?
[10:42] <borked2022> !info
[10:42] <borked2022> !info jammy
[10:58] <cent> Is there a way to install a package that holds a file-name (path)?
[10:59] <cent> As eg. yum install /usr/lib64/abc.so at RHEL.
[11:02] <cent> Ubuntu 20.04.5
[11:03] <Liowenex> Yes, cent?
[11:04] <cent> Liowenex, ?
[11:05] <cent> If so, what do I use? I am familiar with RHEL package system, but not with ubuntus.
[11:07] <gordonjcp> popey: ping
[11:08] <alkisg> cent, if the package is already installed, `dpkg -S /path/to/file` tells you the package name; if not, you'd need to install `apt-file`, or you can search for the /path/to/file in https://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:11] <cent> alkisg, Perfect. Thanks. I had to install the apt-file as an extra packages.
[11:18] <borked2022> cent, alkisg, I'm probably not understanding the question but isn't this what "which" is for?
[11:19] <rob0> "which" gives you the full path for a command in the shell's $PATH
[11:20] <rob0> won't work for libraries ... see ldd(1)
[11:20] <borked2022> ok, thanks
[11:24] <borked2022> is zsysctl specific/proprietary to ubuntu?
[11:24] <ravage> specific yes, proprietary no
[11:25] <borked2022> wrong use of word sorry
[11:26] <borked2022> ravage, am I correct in saying since it appears to depend on systemd, it is unusable in chroot?
[11:27] <ravage> i have no idea. i removed that packages because it is beta status at best :)
[12:42] <StyXman> i have 3 ubuntu machines. we're running lxd on it, from snap. the thing is, all 3 think that lxd/stable is either 5.6, 5.7 or 5.4. what should I do to put them all on the same page?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:46] <StyXman> BluesKaj: O/
[12:47] <BluesKaj> StyXman, \o
[12:51] <ioria> StyXman, i'am not into snaps much, but i guess you manually specify the version , like sudo snap install lxd --channel=5.0/stable
[12:52] <ioria> StyXman, check 'snap info lxd' for the options available
[12:52] <StyXman> I user latest/stable on the 5.6 and 5.7 machines
[12:54] <ioria> looks like 5.7 has been issued as  stable today
[12:55] <ioria> but probably it's still 'candidate'
[12:55] <borked2022> who wants to help me with a non bootable ubuntu on zfs root after an failed upgrade? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2480236&page=2&p=14116936#post14116936
[12:56] <borked2022> I don't suppose this would be an option? https://zfsbootmenu.org/
[12:56] <StyXman> yeah, no the 5.6 machin its the candidate, so the question remains, how do (at least) sync the 5.6 one?
[12:56] <StyXman> borked2022: ouch
[13:38] <GSMarquis> 22.10 - If you open gnome settings and it lands on apperence, it will auto change your dark mode back to light and dark mode does not retain.
[13:39] <GSMarquis> Or am I just an idiot?
[13:41] <nunya> update-manager just popped up on my screen in the middle of a game. How do I prevent this in the future? Ubuntu 22.04
[13:58] <mjt0k> how it's usual to name repositories for certain ubuntu releases? eg, ubuntu-20.04-focal, or 20.04-focal, or focal, or ubuntu-20.04, or?
[14:26] <alkisg> mjt0k: PPAs use debian-version~ubuntu22.10.1
[14:26] <alkisg> E.g. https://launchpad.net/~ltsp/+archive/ubuntu/proposed
[14:28] <ogra> there is no hard requirement for a naming scheme though ... what is important is that you keep the debian version and use a tilde to notify about the extra iteration of the package you use ... could well be just <debian-version>~1
[14:29] <mjt0k> well, I mean something else - I asked about *repository* naming, not package versioning :)
[14:29] <mjt0k> launchpad.net is veeery slow..
[14:30] <luna> hello :)
[14:30] <alkisg> Eh, that's just the release name, e.g. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy universe
[14:30] <mjt0k> a tilde means this version sorts before (smaller than) the original
[14:30] <mjt0k> jammy, yeah. got it
[14:31] <mjt0k> speaking of the version suffix.. yeah, using a tilde is a right thing especially for focal were I had to perform a source change
[14:32] <alkisg> Just make sure it's higher than the ubuntu repositories so that they'll actually upgrade to that one
[14:33] <mjt0k> alkisg: thank you for your help yesterday. Got the repo up and running. http://www.corpit.ru/mjt/packages/samba ubuntu-22.04-jammy/samba-4.16/  for example (or 20.04-focal, or samba-4.17)
[14:33] <alkisg> mjt0k: what are you using to manage them, reprepro?
[14:33] <mjt0k> apt-ftparchive
[14:33] <mjt0k> and a small shell script
[14:34] <alkisg> OK, yeh the tree looks weird
[14:34] <mjt0k> it is not the usual binary-foo/, source/, yes
[14:34] <alkisg> No pool, dists etc
[14:34] <mjt0k> yeah
[14:35] <mjt0k> but it works quite well for this specific need
[14:36] <mjt0k> (I'll update the labels in Release file, dunno for now what to put there)
[14:37] <mjt0k> there were just too many requests to provide current samba packages for ubuntu, and it isn't a big deal to build these at the same time I build and upload stuff to Debian
[14:39] <alkisg> PPAs are a bit more easy for end users to use due to add-apt-repository managing the keys, but sure that'll also help those that need it, thanks for that
[14:39] <alkisg> (and ppa-purge for uninstalling when needed)
[14:40] <mjt0k> maybe someday I'll learn the ppa thing :)
[14:42] <mjt0k> alkisg: btw, you can take a look at how I solved the "common libs" thing I asked yesterday. In ubuntu-foo dir there are 3 subdirs: common, samba-4.16, samba-4.17. Each have Packages file. This file in samba-4.16/ contains samba packages themselves AND whole common/Packages too
[14:43] <mjt0k> so a single line in sources.list will include everything
[14:44] <mjt0k> (and I use common/Packages internally too, as a separate repository, when building the actual binaries in samba-x.yy/)
[14:44] <alkisg> mjt0k: the whole discussion yesterday was disoriented as you asked about ppas, I was answering about tricks to bypass the issue using ppas, and in the end you said you wouldn't use ppas :D
[14:44] <mjt0k> I'm sorry about that :)
[14:44] <alkisg> You could do all this very easily with a single repository and multiple pockets (components), one for each series
[14:45] <alkisg> Then with reprepro you'd just add the library to all pockets, and it would exist only once in the pool
[14:45] <mjt0k> yeah. It will be added to multiple Packages files, just like I did manually
[14:45] <mjt0k> maybe I'll should take a look at reprepro ;)
[14:46] <mjt0k> my first repository has been created before reprepro were useful
[14:46] <mjt0k> it was debian potato time iirc
[14:47] <alkisg> Reprepro is fine as long as you don't need appstream stuff
[14:59] <austinw> hi all
[15:09] <mjt0k> alkisg: heh. reprepro on debian seems to be unable to deal with ubuntu packages. It is interesting that apt-ftparchive did fine, - even dpkg-deb can't show contents of a .deb :)
[15:12] <jhutchins> Once again for the folks in the back rows:  Ubuntu is not Debian.
[15:14] <mjt0k> oh poor those folks in the back rows :))
[15:15] <mjt0k> I'd be surprized if ubuntu were debian :)
[15:17] <alkisg> mjt0k: I think you mean the xz packing? You should use .gz packing, it's the most compatible one
[15:17] <mjt0k> fwiw, debian is not debian, too. like, current .deb packages in debian can't be read by, say, debian potato too
[15:18] <mjt0k> alkisg: it is more than compression (it is not xz, it is zstd), it is also reprepro tresting .ddeb files as dsc files :)
[15:18] <alkisg> Hrm, anyway gotta go for now; wish you luck ;)
[15:19] <mjt0k> I tried to find a way to change default compression used by dpkg-source, but there's no wway
[15:19] <mjt0k> one possible hack is to patch dpkg-buildpackage to run dpkg-source with extra -Z option, but it is too hacky
[15:20] <mjt0k> well, it all works now just fine, I just thought I'd give reprepro a go :)
[15:20] <xisop> zstd is nice
[15:21] <mjt0k> yeah
[15:24] <SteelRose> Hi there! why doesn't "apt update" see the same packages as KDE's Discover or Unity's Software Updater? I'm running 20.04 LTS. .. Thanks!
[15:24] <SteelRose> I ask because Discover sees some firmware updates that apt does not
[15:27] <oerheks> SteelRose, hard to say, is discover and unity on the same install?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> SteelRose: firmware updates could be tied to your computers brand aswell
[15:28] <oerheks> i had the firmware update a few hours ago.
[15:28] <SteelRose> lotuspsychje: yep, there are some Lenovo firmware updates in the list
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> that happens sometimes in ubuntu software too on lenovos for example
[15:28] <SteelRose> lotuspsychje: correct
[15:30] <mjt0k> what's that delayed update thing again, is it related?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> !phasedupdates | mjt0k this?
[15:31] <mjt0k> yeah phased updates
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> i dont think thats what happens for SteelRose
[15:32] <SteelRose> lotuspsychje: nope, that's not my case
[15:41]  * luna is watching the Ubuntu Pro Webinar now
[15:42] <luna> and might start working with Ubuntu at the new work i might start at in 2 weeks
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | luna
[15:45] <luna> lotuspsychje: thanks
[15:50] <borked2022> halp pastebin.com/UGtcnyfc
[15:50] <borked2022> I'm chrooted into a jammy zfs on root and can't get it to boot
[15:54] <mjt0k> does grub understand zfs these days? It used to be unable to run off zfs
[15:55] <mjt0k> or at least zfs had to be created with certain options, omitting some features
[15:56] <borked2022> mjt0k, yea, it is funky but this was installed by the default option of the focal installer
[15:56] <mjt0k> (I'd use separate /boot for that anyway)
[15:56] <borked2022> I've been trying to rescue this for a week now
[15:57] <mjt0k> "The Ubuntu installer still has ZFS support, but it was almost removed for 22.04"
[15:58] <borked2022> mjt0k, this ain't helping pal. I know now that I should not have used it
[15:58] <mjt0k> n/m, I'm shutting up
[15:59] <ravage> no backup or external HDD you can just copy your data to and reinstall=
[15:59] <ravage> ?
[15:59] <ravage> i am on ZFS rignt now too but i dont think i would use it again on a new installation
[15:59] <ravage> only for stroage. not as root
[15:59] <mjt0k> it's kinda trivial to create a small separate /boot or /boot/grub partition/filesystem, *provided* there's some space left
[16:00] <borked2022> ravage, I have backups but don't want to set everything up again (complicated)
[16:01] <borked2022> mjt0k, I could nuke the esp and create a legacy boot partition
[16:01] <ravage> you are trying for a week. a new setup takes 2-3 hours maybe
[16:01] <borked2022> ravage, this setup took me years
[16:01] <oerheks> ravage, +1
[16:01] <oerheks> good thing you have backups.
[16:02] <borked2022> not that simple
[16:02] <ravage> if your setup is that complicated this sound like a great opportunity to simplify it
[16:03] <mjt0k> ravage++
[16:04]  * mjt0k looks at his desktop which has been installed as a debian potato or debian woody system and upgraded since that...
[16:05] <borked2022> I guess I'm the only one curious what happened. why a system purposesuly installed with defaults on focal LTS is destroyed when do-release-upgraded to jammy LTS
[16:05] <ravage> there a so many open (and critical) bugs open about ZFS. nobody seems to care
[16:06] <ravage> so get rid of it now
[16:06] <borked2022> if I can't trust ubuntu, I must move to another distro
[16:06] <ravage> that is always an option of course
[16:06] <oerheks> with 20.04 zfs on root was still experimental.
[16:06] <oerheks> not production ready that is
[16:07] <ravage> my guess it that it will not be in the next LTS anymore
[16:07] <ravage> (in the installer)
[16:07] <borked2022> the rpool is solid, why is it so hard to just get jammy booting?
[16:08] <borked2022> zfs is not a bad file system
[16:08] <Teckla> Yesterday, I commented here about Ubuntu Linux periodically locking up under Hyper-V.  UBUNTU LINUX IS NOT LOCKING UP.  It's a Hyper-V display issue.  I can close the Ubuntu Linux window and reestablish the connection and everything is still working fine.
[16:08] <ravage> zfs is great
[16:08] <ravage> Ubuntu support for it is just bad
[16:08] <borked2022> if I had to do it again, I'd probably go btrfs but I picked my horse so I should learn to ride it
[16:08] <ravage> gl
[16:08] <Teckla> Sorry for the false accusation Ubuntu  :)
[16:09] <mjt0k> most I can find on the net about grub and zfs tells about installing grub to a separate partition
[16:10] <mjt0k> there's a serverfault article actually telling how to install grub *into* zfs
[16:10] <mjt0k> err. I should stop not helping
[16:11] <oerheks> maybe you suffer the same issue; systemctl status zfs-import-scan.service  disabled; vendor-preset: disabled  https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/v8o7qz/comment/ido1j1e/
[16:25] <StuckMojo> hi. i have done in-place upgrades for years now (probably like 7). i'm now on jammy, and i notice that packages get kept back a lot now when i apt upgrade. 1) why is that? and 2) is there any other way besides explicitly installing them to get them to upgrade? i don't want to do that because i think many of them were auto-installed
[16:25] <StuckMojo> i suppose 3) can i force install them without un-marking them as auto?
[16:26] <oerheks> StuckMojo, that is due to phasedupdates
[16:26] <oerheks> !phasedupdates
[16:26]  * StuckMojo starts reading...
[16:27] <oerheks> it is a layer of those who want to test updates before rolled out to us all, one can disable that, i would just wait.
[16:28] <StuckMojo> ok then. it's probably just my OCD that wants the apt runs to be clean ;)
[16:36] <StuckMojo> ??catalog
[16:36] <StuckMojo> oops, wrong channel
[17:03] <stopgap[m]> does anyone know why this happens?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d26394a61c06584a6ca34ad9cf8665cd9d4f0ba8>)
[17:04] <ravage> !phasedupdates | stopgap[m]
[17:05] <stopgap[m]> ravage: thanks, i hate it :)
[17:06] <mjt0k> "Gimme my bugs back!" :)
[17:16] <alkisg> I think that message should be displayed by apt itself, it would save a lot of !phasedupdates factoid calls :)
[17:28] <stopgap[m]> is there a generic way to determine where the packaging source code history is kept for every ubuntu package? eg, i want what i get when running `apt source` but i want to get the git history too. (i thought the `Vcs-Git` field in the .dsc file was the way, but for some packages it is not.)
[17:32] <mjt0k> stopgap[m]: it is not automatic, but it is the way: vcs fields in the dsc
[17:33] <stopgap[m]> $ grep -i ^Vcs- /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jammy-security_main_source_Sources|wc -l
[17:33] <stopgap[m]> 210
[17:33] <stopgap[m]> $ grep -i ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jammy-security_main_source_Sources|wc -l
[17:33] <stopgap[m]> 284
[17:34] <mjt0k> you can file bugs for packages which don't have that field
[17:34] <stopgap[m]> also some packages list debian salsa git URLs in their Vcs-Git field but have ubuntu-specific packageing which is nowhere to be found on debian salsa
[17:37] <StuckMojo> oerheks: thanks, upon reading that explaination was very clear, appretiated!
[17:38] <oerheks> StuckMojo, have fun!
[17:38] <stopgap[m]> eg here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1991446/comments/6 someone is recommending using pull-lp-source or chdist or dget to get previously released versions... it appears that that package's packaging is not in a public VCS anywhere
[17:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1991446 in msttcorefonts (Ubuntu) "https wasn't used to download .exe files;  other minor issues" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:39] <ens> i have a machine i've got that was setup by I.T. at work. the annoying thing is that some application is periodically uninstalling apparmour which also uninstalls snapd. is there a way i can pin a package for apparmour or snapd so it won't get removed by apt-get?
[17:39] <oerheks> that package source is on launchpad, not git?
[17:40] <oerheks> ens, care to share what is 'some application'??
[17:40] <oerheks> this is unusual behaviour.
[17:40] <ens> that is what i would like to find out aswell but the only way i can think to do it is to write a wrapper for apt-get that does some pstree listing to find what is calling it
[17:40] <ens> i imagine it might be the antivirus "ESET" but that's just a wild guess
[17:41] <alkisg> ens, share your apt logs?
[17:41] <oerheks> contact your IT department, thay should be aware f that, if it is eset.
[17:41] <oerheks> false positives
[17:46] <oerheks> oh, you need to enable logs manually for eset to find this culprit https://help.eset.com/eeau/7/en-US/collect-logs.html
[17:47] <zebra723> I can't save text files to Desktop folder because I messed up permissions earlier as part of a troubleshoot. I used the chown command. How do I restore everything to what it was?
[17:47] <ens> the only relevant info in the apt logs is that something starts the commandline: "/usr/bin/apt-get -y -q remove apparmour" roughly about 15 minutes after i install it.
[17:48] <ens> but i'll try disable eset see if that stops it
[17:56] <lagunaloire> thunderbird still seems to have some menu flickering problems on ubuntu gnome
[17:57] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: More details required.  Hardware, Ubuntu release, etc.
[17:58] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: Do any other applications have any video artifacts?
[17:58] <lagunaloire> jhutchins ...an old laptop with intel graphics chip and celeron cpu
[17:58] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: You specify gnome, does this mean you've tested other DEs and the problem did not occur?
[17:59] <alkisg> ens, then sure you may create an apt-get wrapper that will use ps and/or PPID to see the caller. Or you could just grep -r remove.*apparmor /etc or even /usr :)
[17:59] <lagunaloire> jhutchins no i haven't noticed any...and evolution doesn't flicker and thunderbird doesn't flicker on windows or gentoo linux with X
[17:59] <alkisg> zebra723: chmod 755 ~/Desktop
[17:59] <lagunaloire> jhutchins yes i have tested many DE's on gentoo...but only 1 default gnome DE on ubuntu
[18:00] <lagunaloire> jhutchins it seems that Xwayland is the problem for thunderbird flickering
[18:01] <lagunaloire> jhutchins or it could be the prebuilt ubuntu libs
[18:01] <stopgap[m]> oerheks: nope the source for that package on launchpad is from trusty, last updated 9 years ago. if you look at `apt changelog ttf-mscorefonts-installer` you can see it has been updated in recent years; despite the changelog entries which imply that it includes debian's changes in recent years it in fact diverged substantially years ago so the debian changelog entries in the ubuntu package are entirely misleading.
[18:02] <stopgap[m]> i only know for sure that the divergence was at least six years ago because of other launchpad bugs about its various problems involving the update-notifier which it uses to download the exe files now (which the debian version does not do)
[18:04] <stopgap[m]> 🤣 that the post-install downloading is orchestrated by an ubuntu-specific thing called the update "notifier" now
[18:06] <makara1> hi. Why does my one machine has a cog on the login page where I can choose the display manager, and the other does not?
[18:09] <makara1> Basically I dont like the dock in Kudu. There's no customization settings for it like on my other machine
[18:09] <makara1> also the windows aren't snapping to the sides
[18:16] <Guest98476> I can't save text files to Desktop folder because I messed up permissions earlier as part of a troubleshoot. I used the chown command. How do I restore everything to what it was?
[18:17] <Guest98476> I thought I was using chown 777 -R on a subfolder of Desktop. But I guess not.
[18:20]  * mjt0k wonder why so often people use chmod -R 777 or chown -R as a *troubleshoot* too? It is not troubleshooting, it is wild-guess-try-to-do-something
[18:21] <lagunaloire> Guest 98476 did you put your username in the chmod command and also use chgrp to your user group
[18:22] <lagunaloire> Guest 98476 username with chown
[18:22] <Guest98476> Exactly like that: troubleshoot. I know. I was desperate and frustrated with not being able to read some of the files I extracted from a ZIP file.
[18:22] <lagunaloire> do ls -al on some desktop file and make sure it belongs to you and your user group
[18:25] <Guest98476> I used history command to check what I did. I didn't use chmod it seems. I only used chmod many months ago to set a keyboard shortcut. I used chown most recently. So I did history|grep "chown".
[18:26] <Guest98476> chown 777 -R .
[18:26] <Guest98476> chown 777 -R .\
[18:26] <Guest98476> chown 777 .\*
[18:26] <lagunaloire> that is ./*
[18:27] <lagunaloire> not .\* the latter is for microsoft
[18:27] <mjt0k> so, what's the user with uid 777? :)
[18:27] <murmel> probably non existant ;)
[18:28] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 only msdos on windows uses \
[18:28] <Guest98476> Yeah it looks all wrong. Wrong usage first of all. I don't have a user called "777". Is that what this is? When I do ls -l I see "777" as the owner of my desktop? The third column is owner?
[18:28] <mjt0k> well, shell in *nix use \ too. but for a different purpose
[18:29] <mjt0k> Guest98476: you should chown it back to your user
[18:29] <mjt0k> Guest98476: but be careful not to chown something else
[18:30] <Guest98476> chown Desktop ?
[18:30] <mjt0k> whatever it is
[18:30] <Harm133> Guys I'm trying to install ubuntu server 22.04. I want to mount / to an encrypted luks partition. However (even after using cryptsetup luksOpen) I can SEE the partition in the installer but if I select it the installer throws: "ValueError - encryption key or keyfile must be specified"
[18:30] <Harm133> Any ideas?
[18:30] <mjt0k> *sigh*
[18:31] <Harm133> I have nowhere to put the keay
[18:31] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 what shell are you using that has a history command...i did not think bash supported that
[18:31] <murmel> Harm133: are you reusing a luks container?
[18:31] <Harm133> I created it in the installer from a shell
[18:31] <Harm133> its a raid -> crypt -> lvm
[18:32] <mjt0k> lagunaloire: bash has history for over 20 years :)
[18:32] <murmel> Harm133: so you would need to setup /etc/crypttab yourself, or let the installer create everything for you
[18:32] <Harm133> Aha
[18:32] <lagunaloire> mjt0k oh i though only the korn shell had it
[18:32] <Harm133> I could give my passphrase there?
[18:33] <Guest98476> I tried "sudo chown Desktop" while logged in as "tesla". This should change owner of Desktop from "777" to "tesla"? I still see "777" as owner when I do "ls -l".
[18:33] <murmel> Harm133: no you tell with /etc/crypttab where the key is, which *could* be a key on the local fs, or a password promt or whatever
[18:33] <mjt0k> Guest98476: man chmod
[18:33] <murmel> Guest98476: you don't have the permissions to chown from 777 to your user
[18:33] <Harm133> murmel: but that is for the installer?
[18:33] <murmel> Harm133: no for the installed system
[18:33] <mjt0k> murmel: that's what sudo is for
[18:33] <murmel> mjt0k: which he didn't use
[18:33] <mjt0k> sigh
[18:33] <mjt0k> he did
[18:33] <Harm133> murmel: I'm not getting past the installer, the installer fails with that message
[18:34] <murmel> oh
[18:34] <murmel> Harm133: yes, as it verifies that the system would be bootable
[18:34] <murmel> which it is not as of right now
[18:34] <Harm133> I see
[18:34] <Harm133> let me try :)
[18:34]  * mjt0k really detests when more than one conversation is going on, and when new user jumps in with their own questions..
[18:35] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 no do chown username ./Desktop
[18:35] <lagunaloire> and use sudo
[18:35] <lagunaloire> with -R if you have any subdir elements
[18:36] <mjt0k> sudo chown -R tesla Desktop
[18:36] <Guest98476> Finally! Now I can save text files to Desktop. :)
[18:36] <lagunaloire> and then do sudo chgrp groupname ./Desktop
[18:36] <mjt0k> why chgrp if it weren't changed?
[18:37] <lagunaloire> mjt0k well he needs to check it with ls -al as i said before
[18:37] <mjt0k> yes
[18:37] <mjt0k> but chgrp right away?
[18:37] <mjt0k> which wont harm I guess but..
[18:38] <Guest98476> I did use -R previously. I also did some inheritance thing I think, before that. But I thought I was doing this all in a subfolder of Desktop... exactly to escape this kind of issue later on.
[18:38] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 well that is why you have to be careful about typos and stuff...and keep a backup of your home directory
[18:39] <Harm133> murmel: wait, that is actually impossible
[18:40] <Guest98476> Yes, I am usually very careful not to break my installation. I'm still learning Ubuntu. But I was super frustrated with the ZIP file I worked on before.
[18:40] <Harm133> murmel: I would have to create the /etc/crypttab in the /target chroot. But I don't even get to that point.
[18:40] <murmel> why?
[18:40] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 yes some zip files are a pain...i have run into a few that were password protected that was hard to circumvent
[18:40] <Harm133> as soon as I hit partitioning of the / mount I get the key/keyfile error
[18:41] <murmel> Harm133: well, what are you doing special which the installer can't handle?
[18:41] <mjt0k> zip files are just one type of archive. as good as all others..
[18:41] <Harm133> murmel: Well kind of nothing
[18:41] <lagunaloire> mjt0k yes but not when people keep trying to put password protections on them
[18:42] <lagunaloire> mjt0k it just makes it a pain to crack them
[18:42] <murmel> Harm133: oO
[18:42] <Harm133> murmel: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1292595/how-to-install-ubuntu-server-with-custom-non-default-luks-options
[18:42] <Harm133> seems like this person has the same issue
[18:42] <mjt0k> murmel: how does /etc/crypptab help the installer to *access* that device? this file is processed by some service. if you changed it, you have to re-run that service for the devices to be unlocked
[18:42] <Guest98476> The ZIP file I worked on was using underscores in its names. When I used Tab to auto complete file name I think Shell inserted like backslashes to escape them.
[18:42] <Harm133> However, I'm getting the error 18.04
[18:43] <mjt0k> Guest98476: it was spaces, not underscores, which matter
[18:43] <murmel> Harm133: yes, because you basically bootstrap your own install if you want to go custom, not using the installer
[18:43] <murmel> mjt0k: I never said that
[18:43] <mjt0k> murmel: so why do you suggest that to Harm133 ?
[18:44] <mjt0k> murmel: how editing crypptab can help Harm133 ?
[18:44] <murmel> mjt0k: I was just explaining why the installer screamed in this situation
[18:44] <Harm133> I'm going to try the DVD with desktop env, it seems he was able to solve it with that
[18:44] <Guest98476> Hehe yes mjt0k, looking at it now, you are right. It has spaces. It looked all kind of crazy in terminal.
[18:45] <mjt0k> Guest98476: that's a very usual thing really
[18:45] <Guest98476> But yes, when I did ".\" and such I used MS notation by mistake.
[18:45] <mjt0k> Guest98476: it looks the same in windows's cmd or powershell, btw
[18:46] <mjt0k> (cmd also has tab completion; but they tend to use double quotes for filename with spaces)
[18:46] <lagunaloire> mjt0k yes for funky names i always refer to them in double quotes before i rename them to easier to type names
[18:47] <Guest98476> Yes that's right, as far as I remember. After using Ubuntu for a few months I feel right at home with PowerShell in Windows. But it's not the same. They have like aliases for nix commands. But proper nix is much better.
[18:48] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 well powershell is very powerful and useful in windows for all kinds of objects
[18:51] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 as far as i know there are at least 1500 cmdlets in powershell...that are object oriented
[18:51] <Guest98476> I did "ls -al" from Desktop folder. Found they all had "777" as owner. So I did "sudo chown tesla ./*" and now they're all teslas.
[18:51] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 yes and do the same for chgrp
[18:52] <mjt0k> Guest98476: does Desktop itself has right owner?
[18:52] <Guest98476> Yes, now it has. I did that first. Then moved down.
[18:53] <Guest98476> I didn't use -R though but I have no folders in Desktop.
[18:53] <mjt0k> good
[18:54] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 well you only use folders when you want to categorize your desktop launch icons into groups of thousands...so you can save screespace
[18:54] <lagunaloire> sceenspace
[18:54] <Guest98476> lagunaloire: not sure what you mean by chgrp? Change group? But why? When I do "ls -al" I see like "tesla tesla". Both username and group is same?
[18:54] <mjt0k> screenpeace :)
[18:54] <lagunaloire> Gest98476 ok what you see is fine..you don't need chgrp now
[18:55] <Guest98476> Cool! :)  Thanks for helping me out with this small mistake I made. It could have been worse.
[18:56] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 yes but always keep a backup of your home folder since that is where all your work and mistakes are likely to be made
[18:56] <Guest98476> I tried to confine my *experimentation* to a subfolder but I must have slipped at some point.
[18:57] <Guest98476> Thanks for reminding me. I have to look into how the backup function works in Ubuntu.
[18:57] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 well there are lots of options for that
[18:58] <mjt0k> btw, you can have used something like chown 777 -R .\.
[18:58] <mjt0k> that means PARENT folder
[18:59] <mjt0k> b/c the escape char (\) before dot means nothing and is removed by the shell, so chown see ..
[19:08] <Guest98476> mjt0k: Oh yes I see how you mean. That's interesting! Never thought about it like that. This must be what happened. So when I sent the command, instead of subfolder I created for my little "experiment" it completely blew up the entire Desktop folder. Very interesting point indeed. Good observation!
[19:10] <Guest12> Hello everybody. Is Ubuntu Kinetic Kudu shipping with Python 3.11?
[19:10] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 yes just remember ./ for current folder or directory
[19:11] <mjt0k> lagunaloire: it is just dot. the slash is a delimiter :)
[19:12] <mjt0k> not that it makes a real differnce, but technically it is this way
[19:12] <lagunaloire> mjt0k..well i usually use commas as delimiters...especially in spreadsheet files
[19:13] <mjt0k> I mean, you don't name folder "Desktop/", you name it "Desktop". But you can use extra slash to emphasis that it is really a folder, not a regular file
[19:14] <manwhowouldbekin> Hi all! Every now and then, after I bring my PC up from the suspended mode, my HDD gets "lost". I am unable to access any directories on it. Nor does it show up when I run any of the following 'lsblk', 'parted -l', 'blkid', 'fdisk -l'. Rebooting the system brings it back every single time. Any help on troubleshooting this is appreciated.
[19:16] <Guest98476> Like CSV?
[19:16] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 exactly like CSV
[19:17] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 by carried on tradition from the trs80 model 1 days with visicalc
[19:18] <Guest98476> Actually! I remember reading about use of dot and slash in search paths in Ubuntu on some blog. I was very confused. There seems to be a special use case for "./" is it not so?
[19:19] <mjt0k> it is not
[19:19] <Guest98476> Is it not true that you have to prefix a script file with "./"?
[19:19] <Guest98476> If calling it from terminal?
[19:19] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 well i use it for lots of stuff...such as launching zelda3t from its build directory so it can find the music files
[19:19] <mjt0k> you can add / suffix to any directory and you can double or triple slashes like dir////file - kernel will swallow it
[19:19] <lagunaloire> Guest98476..just ./zelda3t
[19:20] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 in fact that is where the name for slashdot.org came from
[19:20] <Guest98476> For comparison, PowerShell on Windows will only run EXE files if you say ".\MyProgram.exe" not if you say "MyProgram.exe".
[19:20] <Guest98476> Is this not a thing on nix?
[19:20] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 back in the days of commander taco and commenters
[19:20] <borja> holaaaaaaaaa
[19:21] <lagunaloire> Guest98476 well that makes sense and is backward compatible
[19:21] <mjt0k> Guest98476: if you type `command', your shell will search for file named /bin/command, /usr/bin/command etc, but not in current dir. If this file is in current dir and you want to execute it, you type `./command'. If it is in a parent dir, you type ../command. If it is in a subdir, say, Desktop/command, you can use that -- shell does not search names with slashes in $PATH
[19:22] <lagunaloire> well i just mention ./zelda3t because it is easy to build on ubuntu and totally free and has some nice music
[19:25] <Guest98476> Is backtick mandatory? Or is that a typo?
[19:27] <Guest98476> So using "./" is a way to ensure that it searches current directory explicitly? Rather than have it search in all the wrong places and not find it?
[19:28] <Guest98476> This I first learned in PowerShell actually. This is helpful when migrating to Ubuntu or other nix systems. Old CMD or MSDOS did not complain if you just typed "MyProgram.exe" and hit enter.
[19:29] <mjt0k> having slash in command name prevents shell from searching it in $PATH - instead it uses this name as a path itself
[19:29] <mjt0k> msdos command.com always looked in current dir first
[19:30] <mjt0k> this has proven to be very insecure. imagine some web server where current dir is where users download their random files..
[19:32] <mjt0k> it is only the first word and only for the command interpreter which is special - either pathname or a command from $PATH (or a built-in command, or shell function, or some other stuff, but that's a different story)
[19:32] <lagunaloire> mjt0k man i am ticked ...the wifi router won't recognize an old xbox360 that i found in goodwill...so it can't connect to xbox live unless i use my telephone as a wifi hotspot and forget the spectrum router
[19:32] <mjt0k> ticked?
[19:33] <lagunaloire> mjt0k..yes pissed...because goodwill also had a game called disney infinity for $1.99 that works with it and uses its kinect sensor and the disney infinity base that came with it..
[19:34] <mjt0k> wifi router does not usually "recognize" wifi devices. they either talk the same protocol, in this case they Just Work, or they dont - but  it happened many moons ago, eg, with early implementations of draft-wifi5
[19:34] <lagunaloire> mjt0k..i think spectrum is blocking the unit from having access to the internet and downloading zillions of xbox game file free demos
[19:35] <lagunaloire> mjt0k...especially castlevania lords of shadow part 1,2, and 3...because castlevania is back with a vengence and still making great games
[19:35] <mjt0k> thatd' stupid thng to do to block stuff. wifi routers are used to access internet after all
[19:36] <mjt0k> anyway, I'm out of here, it's been a long day
[19:58] <harald> i need cake
[19:59] <harald> gimme cake pls
[19:59] <bprompt> !cake
[20:04] <oerheks> !find cake
[21:42] <ubuntu> hello
[21:42] <Guest3900> hello
[21:42] <Guest3900> anyone here?
[22:09] <Guest6> when I start wireshark with normal user on ubuntu 22.04 cinnamom graphics are ugly but when started with sudo it looks better
[22:09] <dante> guys how do I change the Ubuntu Window Title font?
[22:09] <dante> What's it called in Gnome Tweaks?
[22:10] <Guest6> what do I need to do in order for wireshark to use the same library is used when running sudo
[22:22] <Muligan> hey fellas, running ubuntu 20.04, I was wondering if anybody could help me out with fixing my python on this machine
[22:24] <gordonjcp> Muligan: don't ask to ask
[22:25] <Muligan> ok, so I must have fouled up python as now when I type a regular command that's wrong, the machine is referencing python
[22:26] <Muligan> https://pastebin.com/1ymADiVq
[22:27] <Muligan> i attempted to correct a missing package 'pip install paramiko'
[22:28] <ladi> Muligan can you re-install python
[22:28] <Muligan> if that's what it takes
[22:37] <ladi> how do I force an application to load a particular library such as qt5
[22:38] <cartdrige> You can't really force it to do so, but there is LD_PRELOAD flag.
[22:39] <ladi> the problem I am seeing is that when I use "sudo wireshark" the graphics looks much better than when I just run wireshark
[22:40] <cartdrige> that might have to do with the .config files i'd say or .gtk2* .qt* etc
[22:40] <cartdrige> The theme or widget rendering.
[22:41] <ladi> any idea where to look? or how to go about solving it please
[22:43] <ladi> I spent hours on this now and it has annoying. I don't want to be using sudo just to have wireshark looking good
[22:44] <ladi> I have spent hours on this now and it is some is becoming very annoying. I don't want to be using sudo just to have wireshark looking good -_-
[22:45] <cartdrige> Try to copy the .config/qt files from your /root to your /home/user folder and change the owner to be your user (backup them original dot conf files before)
[22:46] <cartdrige> Isn't wireshark supposed to be run as root when monitoring network anyway?
[22:46] <ladi> no there are some settings that you can do to stop using wireshark as root
[22:47] <cartdrige> Ok.
[22:48] <ladi> cartdrige, https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=342326
[23:02] <Muligan> i cleaned up my python mess, and set python3 as the default, now how to get pip
[23:20] <Liowenex> Back
[23:48] <Hakate>  Logical volume in LVM are BUFFERED or UNBUFFERED?