[00:01] maybe it is not booting because I gave it persistent storage in Rufus [00:07] sem: I have not had luck with rufus as of late but I also had several that would not boot 22.04 so I booted 20.04 then upgraded I assume a bios issue [00:07] i'm trying it with balenaetcher [00:08] if this doesn't work I'll try a different usb drive [00:10] the one I made in balenaetcher is working :) thanks for the tip [00:11] sem whatever it takes glad you got it [00:20] .quit [00:20] .quit [00:23] try /quit === Guest6252 is now known as krabador [00:27] sem: The only reason to have secure boot turned on is to prevent anybody from installing linux on your system. Don't bother. [00:28] there is another reason [00:28] when you boot up, it doesn't paint a big red "not secure" [00:28] I thought I didn't care about that, but after seeing it many times I realized I did care [00:54] Does POSIX guarantess that a new file descriptor will always be the lowest available ? [00:57] man 2 open suggests it is the case for linux === NeoFAT32_ is now known as NeoFAT32 [01:48] anyone familiar with certbot on Ubuntu? [01:49] or is there a certbot channel? [01:51] !alis | BCB [01:51] BCB: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see «/msg Alis help list» or ask in #libera - Example usage: «/msg Alis list http» [01:52] BCB: there's a #limnoria channel, not sure about certbot [01:59] Thanks [02:32] I used 'sudo auto-apt-proxy sbuild-createchroot ...' to create a chroot for packages, with apt-cacher-ng enabled on my machine, but it still seems like each build re-downloads all packages. Is there a way I can verify it's working or not? [02:45] is there an apt log to tell where it makes request? Instead of seeing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ I would hope for 127.0.0.1 [02:48] noarb: you need to install auto-apt-proxy also in the chroot [02:48] the chroot doesn't know there is a proxy [02:49] or configure your proxy inside the chroot, if you dont want to install package [02:50] noarb: /var/lib/schroot/chroot//etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ [02:54] or rather where you created the chroot [02:57] murmel: yep, that was it. Decreased a build time by ~60% [02:57] I had to --include=auto-apt-proxy [02:57] thanks for your help. It's amazing you knew that with not enough info :) [03:02] noarb: well I rebuild stuff myself, so why wouldn't I know that ;) [03:02] well that just installs auto-apt-proxy, so seems good ;) === subatomic is now known as uniq === subatomic is now known as uniq === uniq is now known as subatmic === subatmic is now known as help === jake_ is now known as MadcapJake === NeoFAT32_ is now known as NeoFAT32 [05:27] can i modify the hostfile manually in ubuntu or do i need to use the netsplan thing? [05:27] im using ubuntu server. [05:30] Hello here [05:33] I'm french and I'm now using ubuntu 20.04LTS on an HP PC255-G6-Notebook and I wonder if it will slow down my laptop to upgrade to 22.04LTS [05:34] ? [05:35] Oslobo, probably not [05:35] probably ? [05:35] it depends on what? [05:36] percentage of french. [05:36] ??? [05:37] it's a joke ! [05:37] the system requirements are the same. it is still a major system upgrade. i cant predict all kinds of problems that may cause [05:37] Oslobo: very likely as your laptop is already quite old. but you could move to a different graphical interface. that would definitely help and mitigate a lot of stress on the cpu [05:38] Sup [05:38] which graphical interface is possible ? [05:38] Wait this is #ubuntu not #ubuntu-offtopic [05:39] Oslobo, What are your system specifications? [05:39] I'll be able to tell you, seems like my arrival is most opportune [05:39] Oslobo: I would recommend, something like plasma, xfce or mate [05:40] gnome 3.36.8 === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus [05:41] Oslobo, If you have a dated computer, I highly recommend MATE, which is a fork of GNOME 2, which Ubuntu used just over a decade ago, and it doesn't require as much learning from a GNOME 3 user as switching to KDE/Plasma or Xfce might [05:42] Liowenex: they move to gnome3, so there is not that much of a difference anymore, but still better than gnome [05:42] thanks Liowenex [05:43] eh I mean they move to gtk3 not gnome3 :S [05:43] Oslobo: what's the output of this? grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo; grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo [05:43] GTK4 is the move Gnome 3 has made [05:44] bye there [05:44] Oslobo, You could stay awhile and chat in #ubuntu-offtopic [05:44] i'm sorry i'm quite a newbie === scoobydoob is now known as scoobydoo [05:45] ok Liowenex [06:34] Good morning all! [06:34] my audio devices are all gone. Is that a known issue? [06:34] I'm using 20.04 LTS [06:34] Thanks [06:36] I have an apple trackpad with ubuntu 22.04. It works fine apart from when restart/starting my machine, bluetooth comes up, but the trackpad always starts as status "disconnected". Is there a way of setting it to auto start? [06:36] Have you run an apt update & upgrade, then restarted your computer SteelRose? [06:37] Liowenex: yes, only minor upgrades are applied and none of them are related to sound or firmware [06:37] SteelRose: does the system still detect the device? [06:38] murmel: nope :-( [06:39] wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh <- I ran this and... https://pastebin.com/7bcrWrmW [06:46] BRB - reboot [06:55] re! I narrowed the problem down to KDE ... [06:56] the volume icon turns from red (no devices) to white (something is there) only when I connect the Bluetooth headset... [06:56] it should be always white as the laptop has built-in mic and speakers... [07:00] SteelRose: any /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc? do you dual-boot with windows? [07:01] SteelRose: error: failed to boot DSP firmware - looks like a problem with card, try cold boot [07:02] i-garrison: no dual boot, only Ubuntu 20.04 on this laptop [07:03] i-garrison: what's cold boot? Oo [07:03] SteelRose_: completely turn off, boot [07:03] so no reboot ;) [07:03] murmel: I turned my laptop on this morning [07:03] i-garrison: no asound files at all in my system === SteelRose_ is now known as SteelRose [07:03] so a cold boot also doesn't help hm [07:07] SteelRose: did it work before? [07:08] because your ubuntu release is quite old for the device [07:10] murmel: it was working 100% fine [07:10] 20.04 LTS might be old but it's still supported [07:10] i am not talking about not supported, but newer intel sounds devices need firmware, which 20.04 doesn't include [07:10] that's why I was asking [07:14] SteelRose: was there maybe a kernel upgrade in the last upgrade you did? [07:14] murmel: nope, only minor stuff (python, terraform...) [07:14] murmel: I'm checking the apt logs now... [07:15] Why 20.04?? [07:15] Unity isn't great [07:18] Liowenex: oO what are you talking about? 20.04 is on gnome [07:18] the last lts unity release was 16.04, so quite a bit older === diskin is now known as Guest2150 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [07:48] So there are these "kept back" packages in apt again: "alsa-ucm-conf gdb". Is there an list where i can lookup if its an phased update or not? === diskin is now known as Guest1653 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [07:53] or is it possible to determine it through cmdline maybe with apt? [07:55] kkkssf: apt-cache policy [07:57] EriC^ but how do i see that the package is kept back because its an phased update? [07:58] for gdb i got this output [07:58] Installiert: 12.0.90-0ubuntu1 [07:58] Installationskandidat: 12.1-0ubuntu1~22.04 [07:58] Versionstabelle: [07:58] 12.1-0ubuntu1~22.04 500 (gestaffelt 20%) [07:58] 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates/main amd64 Packages [07:59] gestaffelt 20% [08:01] EriC^ Thank you [08:03] Are security updates also phased or are these only non-security updates? [08:04] kkkssf: no problem [08:05] Is that some kind of stabillity over security trade-off thing? [08:06] Liowenex: I use KDE [08:07] Alright [08:12] kkkssf: hope this helps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates [08:22] it was so helpful he even forgot to say thanks [08:22] awesome :) [08:22] well he did before :P [09:37] howdy, I am using 20.04 on WSL2, I see `ii openssl 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.16 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - cryptographic utility` [09:37] `$ dpkg -L openssl | grep /etc/ssl/op` prints `/etc/ssl/openssl.cnf ` [09:38] yet no /etc/ssl is to be seen. Is this unexpected for an installed package with a file at that path in its listed content? [09:54] oh it's worse, I reinstalled openssl and now I have /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf -> /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf but the symlink target is not there [10:01] What is the difference between #ubuntu:libera.chat and #ubuntu:matrix.org ? [10:01] the one on matrix is not bridged to this IRC channel [10:02] Misha[m]: libera.chat is irc, matrix.org is an unmoderatable federated fetid swamp of villainy and porn [10:02] matrix is great if you like unsolicited dick pics and loli pr0n getting pasted in 24/7 [10:02] please watch you language gordonjcp [10:03] I've outright banned bridging matrix to any of the IRC channels I run [10:04] and stay on topic [10:04] ravage: oh, you're not even allowed to mention hazards in here? Cool, cool... [10:04] ravage: Misha[m] asked a question, I answered it [10:11] if a server doesn't permit password login how can I copy my ssh key to it? [10:11] login on the local console and pull the key from somewhere [10:12] test [10:12] ravage: ah, yes, that sounds possible. [10:13] can somebody please trigger the bot that tells me the current jammy kernel? [10:15] borked2022, https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/linux-image-generic [10:16] !info linux-image-generic jammy [10:16] linux-image-generic (5.15.0.52.52, jammy): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta. Size 3 kB / 20 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x.) [10:17] thanks ravage [10:20] is anybody in the mood to help me troubleshoot zfs upgrade/boot issues? This is where i'm at now: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2480236&page=2 [10:37] !info linux-image-generic jammy [10:37] linux-image-generic (5.15.0.52.52, jammy): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta. Size 3 kB / 20 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x.) [10:40] Hey guys. I want to setup a softraid to boot off of with raid 1 on 8 disks and UEFI. Is this possible on ubuntu server? [10:42] !info [10:42] !info jammy [10:42] Package jammy does not exist in kinetic [10:58] Is there a way to install a package that holds a file-name (path)? [10:59] As eg. yum install /usr/lib64/abc.so at RHEL. [11:02] Ubuntu 20.04.5 [11:03] Yes, cent? [11:04] Liowenex, ? [11:05] If so, what do I use? I am familiar with RHEL package system, but not with ubuntus. [11:07] popey: ping [11:08] cent, if the package is already installed, `dpkg -S /path/to/file` tells you the package name; if not, you'd need to install `apt-file`, or you can search for the /path/to/file in https://packages.ubuntu.com [11:11] alkisg, Perfect. Thanks. I had to install the apt-file as an extra packages. [11:18] cent, alkisg, I'm probably not understanding the question but isn't this what "which" is for? [11:19] "which" gives you the full path for a command in the shell's $PATH [11:20] won't work for libraries ... see ldd(1) [11:20] ok, thanks [11:24] is zsysctl specific/proprietary to ubuntu? [11:24] specific yes, proprietary no [11:25] wrong use of word sorry [11:26] ravage, am I correct in saying since it appears to depend on systemd, it is unusable in chroot? [11:27] i have no idea. i removed that packages because it is beta status at best :) [12:42] i have 3 ubuntu machines. we're running lxd on it, from snap. the thing is, all 3 think that lxd/stable is either 5.6, 5.7 or 5.4. what should I do to put them all on the same page? [12:46] Hi all [12:46] BluesKaj: O/ [12:47] StyXman, \o [12:51] StyXman, i'am not into snaps much, but i guess you manually specify the version , like sudo snap install lxd --channel=5.0/stable [12:52] StyXman, check 'snap info lxd' for the options available [12:52] I user latest/stable on the 5.6 and 5.7 machines [12:54] looks like 5.7 has been issued as stable today [12:55] but probably it's still 'candidate' [12:55] who wants to help me with a non bootable ubuntu on zfs root after an failed upgrade? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2480236&page=2&p=14116936#post14116936 [12:56] I don't suppose this would be an option? https://zfsbootmenu.org/ [12:56] yeah, no the 5.6 machin its the candidate, so the question remains, how do (at least) sync the 5.6 one? [12:56] borked2022: ouch [13:38] 22.10 - If you open gnome settings and it lands on apperence, it will auto change your dark mode back to light and dark mode does not retain. [13:39] Or am I just an idiot? [13:41] update-manager just popped up on my screen in the middle of a game. How do I prevent this in the future? Ubuntu 22.04 === MadcapJake_ is now known as MadcapJake [13:58] how it's usual to name repositories for certain ubuntu releases? eg, ubuntu-20.04-focal, or 20.04-focal, or focal, or ubuntu-20.04, or? [14:26] mjt0k: PPAs use debian-version~ubuntu22.10.1 [14:26] E.g. https://launchpad.net/~ltsp/+archive/ubuntu/proposed [14:28] there is no hard requirement for a naming scheme though ... what is important is that you keep the debian version and use a tilde to notify about the extra iteration of the package you use ... could well be just ~1 [14:29] well, I mean something else - I asked about *repository* naming, not package versioning :) [14:29] launchpad.net is veeery slow.. [14:30] hello :) [14:30] Eh, that's just the release name, e.g. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy universe [14:30] a tilde means this version sorts before (smaller than) the original [14:30] jammy, yeah. got it [14:31] speaking of the version suffix.. yeah, using a tilde is a right thing especially for focal were I had to perform a source change [14:32] Just make sure it's higher than the ubuntu repositories so that they'll actually upgrade to that one [14:33] alkisg: thank you for your help yesterday. Got the repo up and running. http://www.corpit.ru/mjt/packages/samba ubuntu-22.04-jammy/samba-4.16/ for example (or 20.04-focal, or samba-4.17) [14:33] mjt0k: what are you using to manage them, reprepro? [14:33] apt-ftparchive [14:33] and a small shell script [14:34] OK, yeh the tree looks weird [14:34] it is not the usual binary-foo/, source/, yes [14:34] No pool, dists etc [14:34] yeah [14:35] but it works quite well for this specific need [14:36] (I'll update the labels in Release file, dunno for now what to put there) [14:37] there were just too many requests to provide current samba packages for ubuntu, and it isn't a big deal to build these at the same time I build and upload stuff to Debian [14:39] PPAs are a bit more easy for end users to use due to add-apt-repository managing the keys, but sure that'll also help those that need it, thanks for that [14:39] (and ppa-purge for uninstalling when needed) [14:40] maybe someday I'll learn the ppa thing :) [14:42] alkisg: btw, you can take a look at how I solved the "common libs" thing I asked yesterday. In ubuntu-foo dir there are 3 subdirs: common, samba-4.16, samba-4.17. Each have Packages file. This file in samba-4.16/ contains samba packages themselves AND whole common/Packages too [14:43] so a single line in sources.list will include everything [14:44] (and I use common/Packages internally too, as a separate repository, when building the actual binaries in samba-x.yy/) [14:44] mjt0k: the whole discussion yesterday was disoriented as you asked about ppas, I was answering about tricks to bypass the issue using ppas, and in the end you said you wouldn't use ppas :D [14:44] I'm sorry about that :) [14:44] You could do all this very easily with a single repository and multiple pockets (components), one for each series [14:45] Then with reprepro you'd just add the library to all pockets, and it would exist only once in the pool [14:45] yeah. It will be added to multiple Packages files, just like I did manually [14:45] maybe I'll should take a look at reprepro ;) [14:46] my first repository has been created before reprepro were useful [14:46] it was debian potato time iirc [14:47] Reprepro is fine as long as you don't need appstream stuff [14:59] hi all [15:09] alkisg: heh. reprepro on debian seems to be unable to deal with ubuntu packages. It is interesting that apt-ftparchive did fine, - even dpkg-deb can't show contents of a .deb :) [15:12] Once again for the folks in the back rows: Ubuntu is not Debian. [15:14] oh poor those folks in the back rows :)) [15:15] I'd be surprized if ubuntu were debian :) [15:17] mjt0k: I think you mean the xz packing? You should use .gz packing, it's the most compatible one [15:17] fwiw, debian is not debian, too. like, current .deb packages in debian can't be read by, say, debian potato too [15:18] alkisg: it is more than compression (it is not xz, it is zstd), it is also reprepro tresting .ddeb files as dsc files :) [15:18] Hrm, anyway gotta go for now; wish you luck ;) [15:19] I tried to find a way to change default compression used by dpkg-source, but there's no wway [15:19] one possible hack is to patch dpkg-buildpackage to run dpkg-source with extra -Z option, but it is too hacky [15:20] well, it all works now just fine, I just thought I'd give reprepro a go :) [15:20] zstd is nice [15:21] yeah [15:24] Hi there! why doesn't "apt update" see the same packages as KDE's Discover or Unity's Software Updater? I'm running 20.04 LTS. .. Thanks! [15:24] I ask because Discover sees some firmware updates that apt does not [15:27] SteelRose, hard to say, is discover and unity on the same install? [15:27] SteelRose: firmware updates could be tied to your computers brand aswell [15:28] i had the firmware update a few hours ago. [15:28] lotuspsychje: yep, there are some Lenovo firmware updates in the list [15:28] that happens sometimes in ubuntu software too on lenovos for example [15:28] lotuspsychje: correct [15:30] what's that delayed update thing again, is it related? [15:31] !phasedupdates | mjt0k this? [15:31] mjt0k this?: Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT now implements phased updates. This can hold back updates on some systems while they are being phased in. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info. [15:31] yeah phased updates [15:31] i dont think thats what happens for SteelRose [15:32] lotuspsychje: nope, that's not my case [15:41] * luna is watching the Ubuntu Pro Webinar now [15:42] and might start working with Ubuntu at the new work i might start at in 2 weeks [15:44] !discuss | luna [15:44] luna: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [15:45] lotuspsychje: thanks === hackinghorn is now known as hacking-haunt [15:50] halp pastebin.com/UGtcnyfc [15:50] I'm chrooted into a jammy zfs on root and can't get it to boot [15:54] does grub understand zfs these days? It used to be unable to run off zfs [15:55] or at least zfs had to be created with certain options, omitting some features [15:56] mjt0k, yea, it is funky but this was installed by the default option of the focal installer [15:56] (I'd use separate /boot for that anyway) [15:56] I've been trying to rescue this for a week now [15:57] "The Ubuntu installer still has ZFS support, but it was almost removed for 22.04" [15:58] mjt0k, this ain't helping pal. I know now that I should not have used it [15:58] n/m, I'm shutting up [15:59] no backup or external HDD you can just copy your data to and reinstall= [15:59] ? [15:59] i am on ZFS rignt now too but i dont think i would use it again on a new installation [15:59] only for stroage. not as root [15:59] it's kinda trivial to create a small separate /boot or /boot/grub partition/filesystem, *provided* there's some space left [16:00] ravage, I have backups but don't want to set everything up again (complicated) [16:01] mjt0k, I could nuke the esp and create a legacy boot partition [16:01] you are trying for a week. a new setup takes 2-3 hours maybe [16:01] ravage, this setup took me years [16:01] ravage, +1 [16:01] good thing you have backups. [16:02] not that simple [16:02] if your setup is that complicated this sound like a great opportunity to simplify it [16:03] ravage++ [16:04] * mjt0k looks at his desktop which has been installed as a debian potato or debian woody system and upgraded since that... [16:05] I guess I'm the only one curious what happened. why a system purposesuly installed with defaults on focal LTS is destroyed when do-release-upgraded to jammy LTS [16:05] there a so many open (and critical) bugs open about ZFS. nobody seems to care [16:06] so get rid of it now [16:06] if I can't trust ubuntu, I must move to another distro [16:06] that is always an option of course [16:06] with 20.04 zfs on root was still experimental. [16:06] not production ready that is [16:07] my guess it that it will not be in the next LTS anymore [16:07] (in the installer) [16:07] the rpool is solid, why is it so hard to just get jammy booting? [16:08] zfs is not a bad file system [16:08] Yesterday, I commented here about Ubuntu Linux periodically locking up under Hyper-V. UBUNTU LINUX IS NOT LOCKING UP. It's a Hyper-V display issue. I can close the Ubuntu Linux window and reestablish the connection and everything is still working fine. [16:08] zfs is great [16:08] Ubuntu support for it is just bad [16:08] if I had to do it again, I'd probably go btrfs but I picked my horse so I should learn to ride it [16:08] gl [16:08] Sorry for the false accusation Ubuntu :) [16:09] most I can find on the net about grub and zfs tells about installing grub to a separate partition [16:10] there's a serverfault article actually telling how to install grub *into* zfs [16:10] err. I should stop not helping [16:11] maybe you suffer the same issue; systemctl status zfs-import-scan.service disabled; vendor-preset: disabled https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/v8o7qz/comment/ido1j1e/ [16:25] hi. i have done in-place upgrades for years now (probably like 7). i'm now on jammy, and i notice that packages get kept back a lot now when i apt upgrade. 1) why is that? and 2) is there any other way besides explicitly installing them to get them to upgrade? i don't want to do that because i think many of them were auto-installed [16:25] i suppose 3) can i force install them without un-marking them as auto? [16:26] StuckMojo, that is due to phasedupdates [16:26] !phasedupdates [16:26] Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT now implements phased updates. This can hold back updates on some systems while they are being phased in. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info. [16:26] * StuckMojo starts reading... [16:27] it is a layer of those who want to test updates before rolled out to us all, one can disable that, i would just wait. [16:28] ok then. it's probably just my OCD that wants the apt runs to be clean ;) [16:36] ??catalog [16:36] oops, wrong channel === m_ueberall is now known as ueberall === kdas_ is now known as kushal === poorboy_ is now known as poorboy === Lartza_ is now known as Lartza === gusto_ is now known as gusto === justache is now known as justHaunted [17:03] does anyone know why this happens?... (full message at ) [17:04] !phasedupdates | stopgap[m] [17:04] stopgap[m]: Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT now implements phased updates. This can hold back updates on some systems while they are being phased in. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info. [17:05] ravage: thanks, i hate it :) [17:06] "Gimme my bugs back!" :) [17:16] I think that message should be displayed by apt itself, it would save a lot of !phasedupdates factoid calls :) [17:28] is there a generic way to determine where the packaging source code history is kept for every ubuntu package? eg, i want what i get when running `apt source` but i want to get the git history too. (i thought the `Vcs-Git` field in the .dsc file was the way, but for some packages it is not.) [17:32] stopgap[m]: it is not automatic, but it is the way: vcs fields in the dsc [17:33] $ grep -i ^Vcs- /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jammy-security_main_source_Sources|wc -l [17:33] 210 [17:33] $ grep -i ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jammy-security_main_source_Sources|wc -l [17:33] 284 [17:34] you can file bugs for packages which don't have that field [17:34] also some packages list debian salsa git URLs in their Vcs-Git field but have ubuntu-specific packageing which is nowhere to be found on debian salsa [17:37] oerheks: thanks, upon reading that explaination was very clear, appretiated! [17:38] StuckMojo, have fun! [17:38] eg here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1991446/comments/6 someone is recommending using pull-lp-source or chdist or dget to get previously released versions... it appears that that package's packaging is not in a public VCS anywhere [17:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1991446 in msttcorefonts (Ubuntu) "https wasn't used to download .exe files; other minor issues" [Undecided, Confirmed] [17:39] i have a machine i've got that was setup by I.T. at work. the annoying thing is that some application is periodically uninstalling apparmour which also uninstalls snapd. is there a way i can pin a package for apparmour or snapd so it won't get removed by apt-get? [17:39] that package source is on launchpad, not git? [17:40] ens, care to share what is 'some application'?? [17:40] this is unusual behaviour. [17:40] that is what i would like to find out aswell but the only way i can think to do it is to write a wrapper for apt-get that does some pstree listing to find what is calling it [17:40] i imagine it might be the antivirus "ESET" but that's just a wild guess [17:41] ens, share your apt logs? [17:41] contact your IT department, thay should be aware f that, if it is eset. [17:41] false positives === Guest98476 is now known as zebra723 [17:46] oh, you need to enable logs manually for eset to find this culprit https://help.eset.com/eeau/7/en-US/collect-logs.html [17:47] I can't save text files to Desktop folder because I messed up permissions earlier as part of a troubleshoot. I used the chown command. How do I restore everything to what it was? [17:47] the only relevant info in the apt logs is that something starts the commandline: "/usr/bin/apt-get -y -q remove apparmour" roughly about 15 minutes after i install it. [17:48] but i'll try disable eset see if that stops it [17:56] thunderbird still seems to have some menu flickering problems on ubuntu gnome [17:57] lagunaloire: More details required. Hardware, Ubuntu release, etc. [17:58] lagunaloire: Do any other applications have any video artifacts? [17:58] jhutchins ...an old laptop with intel graphics chip and celeron cpu [17:58] lagunaloire: You specify gnome, does this mean you've tested other DEs and the problem did not occur? [17:59] ens, then sure you may create an apt-get wrapper that will use ps and/or PPID to see the caller. Or you could just grep -r remove.*apparmor /etc or even /usr :) [17:59] jhutchins no i haven't noticed any...and evolution doesn't flicker and thunderbird doesn't flicker on windows or gentoo linux with X [17:59] zebra723: chmod 755 ~/Desktop [17:59] jhutchins yes i have tested many DE's on gentoo...but only 1 default gnome DE on ubuntu [18:00] jhutchins it seems that Xwayland is the problem for thunderbird flickering [18:01] jhutchins or it could be the prebuilt ubuntu libs [18:01] oerheks: nope the source for that package on launchpad is from trusty, last updated 9 years ago. if you look at `apt changelog ttf-mscorefonts-installer` you can see it has been updated in recent years; despite the changelog entries which imply that it includes debian's changes in recent years it in fact diverged substantially years ago so the debian changelog entries in the ubuntu package are entirely misleading. [18:02] i only know for sure that the divergence was at least six years ago because of other launchpad bugs about its various problems involving the update-notifier which it uses to download the exe files now (which the debian version does not do) [18:04] 🤣 that the post-install downloading is orchestrated by an ubuntu-specific thing called the update "notifier" now [18:06] hi. Why does my one machine has a cog on the login page where I can choose the display manager, and the other does not? [18:09] Basically I dont like the dock in Kudu. There's no customization settings for it like on my other machine [18:09] also the windows aren't snapping to the sides [18:16] I can't save text files to Desktop folder because I messed up permissions earlier as part of a troubleshoot. I used the chown command. How do I restore everything to what it was? [18:17] I thought I was using chown 777 -R on a subfolder of Desktop. But I guess not. [18:20] * mjt0k wonder why so often people use chmod -R 777 or chown -R as a *troubleshoot* too? It is not troubleshooting, it is wild-guess-try-to-do-something [18:21] Guest 98476 did you put your username in the chmod command and also use chgrp to your user group [18:22] Guest 98476 username with chown [18:22] Exactly like that: troubleshoot. I know. I was desperate and frustrated with not being able to read some of the files I extracted from a ZIP file. [18:22] do ls -al on some desktop file and make sure it belongs to you and your user group [18:25] I used history command to check what I did. I didn't use chmod it seems. I only used chmod many months ago to set a keyboard shortcut. I used chown most recently. So I did history|grep "chown". [18:26] chown 777 -R . [18:26] chown 777 -R .\ [18:26] chown 777 .\* [18:26] that is ./* [18:27] not .\* the latter is for microsoft [18:27] so, what's the user with uid 777? :) [18:27] probably non existant ;) [18:28] Guest98476 only msdos on windows uses \ [18:28] Yeah it looks all wrong. Wrong usage first of all. I don't have a user called "777". Is that what this is? When I do ls -l I see "777" as the owner of my desktop? The third column is owner? [18:28] well, shell in *nix use \ too. but for a different purpose [18:29] Guest98476: you should chown it back to your user [18:29] Guest98476: but be careful not to chown something else [18:30] chown Desktop ? [18:30] whatever it is [18:30] Guys I'm trying to install ubuntu server 22.04. I want to mount / to an encrypted luks partition. However (even after using cryptsetup luksOpen) I can SEE the partition in the installer but if I select it the installer throws: "ValueError - encryption key or keyfile must be specified" [18:30] Any ideas? [18:30] *sigh* [18:31] I have nowhere to put the keay [18:31] Guest98476 what shell are you using that has a history command...i did not think bash supported that [18:31] Harm133: are you reusing a luks container? [18:31] I created it in the installer from a shell [18:31] its a raid -> crypt -> lvm [18:32] lagunaloire: bash has history for over 20 years :) [18:32] Harm133: so you would need to setup /etc/crypttab yourself, or let the installer create everything for you [18:32] Aha [18:32] mjt0k oh i though only the korn shell had it [18:32] I could give my passphrase there? [18:33] I tried "sudo chown Desktop" while logged in as "tesla". This should change owner of Desktop from "777" to "tesla"? I still see "777" as owner when I do "ls -l". [18:33] Harm133: no you tell with /etc/crypttab where the key is, which *could* be a key on the local fs, or a password promt or whatever [18:33] Guest98476: man chmod [18:33] Guest98476: you don't have the permissions to chown from 777 to your user [18:33] murmel: but that is for the installer? [18:33] Harm133: no for the installed system [18:33] murmel: that's what sudo is for [18:33] mjt0k: which he didn't use [18:33]