[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:51] <cry0xen> good afternoon lotus
[07:52] <cry0xen> murmel thanks for the mpv flatpak. it works perfectly 
[07:53] <cry0xen> without any kind glitch and issue. seeks perfectly. i think the interface couldve been cleaner but at this point i dont care
[09:01] <matt3> hello !!!
[09:02] <matt3> an email = a way to communicate ...
[09:02] <matt3> let we talk about email ...
[09:03] <daftykins> no it's a way to write down all your thoughts and questions and have another party disregard them all entirely!
[09:04] <matt3> fine !!!
[09:04] <matt3> :D
[09:06] <matt3> a joke
[09:07] <daftykins> only partially, it's 100% my firsthand experience of working with others
[09:08] <daftykins> write 3 questions, you'll get one answered if you're lucky 
[09:09] <matt3> ok, but i like to write to my bros in germany from italy in a few seconds ...
[09:10] <daftykins> sounds like instant messaging over email
[09:10] <daftykins> and why would there be an imaginary time limit?
[09:10] <matt3> yes : im = few words ... email =   long text ...
[09:12] <matt3> also : im => tablet + smartphone ... email => pc
[09:12] <daftykins> noooo that's not true at all
[09:13] <matt3> tell me
[09:13] <daftykins> tell you what
[09:13] <matt3> the true about email ;D
[09:15] <daftykins> i think given the channel isn't meant for general ramblings i'm going to abstain
[09:15] <matt3> ok, np
[09:15] <matt3> thank you to speack with me ...
[09:15] <matt3> cu later ...
[09:15] <matt3> ;D
[09:17] <daftykins> o0
[10:01] <cry0xen> What music player you prefer and why? just curious. also to understand interaction for documentation purpose
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> vlc and clementine here
[10:35] <cry0xen> isnt clementine outdated?
[10:41] <daftykins> very unmaintained and it appears to have lost API access to grab lyrics and such on the song info page
[10:42] <daftykins> but unless you use online services with it i fail to see how that would have any impact, strawberry player is a fork afaik
[10:51] <JanC> I use Quod Libet to play music
[10:54] <cry0xen> first time hearing the name... seems really good and feature rich gtk+ app
[10:55]  * ogra uses the vlc and mpv snaps for all media 
[10:57] <cry0xen> best choices
[10:57] <JanC> mpv doesn't have any music collection management functions though, and IIRC VLC has some but it's fairly basic?
[10:57] <JanC> I use mpv for playing videos & occasionally audio files
[10:58] <cry0xen> janC ogra "uses" not listens... theres a difference
[10:58] <ogra> lol
[10:58]  * cry0xen hides behind the pole
[10:58] <daftykins> consume that media, om-nom
[10:59] <cry0xen> what about you daftykins
[10:59] <ogra> i tend to listen to streams ... i.e. radioparadise ... rarely to my local collectio (whic is imported ot vlc via playlists)
[11:00] <ravage> i think i stopped building any local music database 10 years ago
[11:04] <cry0xen> stream has its ups as well as some downs. i wanna save bandwidth, as well as charge
[11:05] <daftykins> yeah i've always been a bit of a quality snob, so i like my FLAC library... however i don't really put music on these days, far more rare than a decade ago
[11:05] <cry0xen> i am like ogra in that sense... i listen to radio most of the time when i am on public transport
[11:06] <JanC> some of the great stuff about Quod Libet is that it has several different "browsers" (ways to look at your music), and you can open more than one of them at the same time too
[11:06] <cry0xen> a part my flac soul died when what.cd died
[11:06] <JanC> and https://quodlibet.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guide/searching.html of course  :)
[11:07] <daftykins> this is the wrong IRC network to discuss piracy, cry0xen 
[11:07] <JanC> and the tag editor
[11:07] <cry0xen> i am not even going there mate. just my experience
[11:09] <cry0xen> netflix spoify hbo and prime has me covered. i suffer when theres itch to see something old
[11:09] <cry0xen> anyone has experience with sayonara
[11:10] <daftykins> yes it is the Japanese word for goodbye :P
[11:10] <cry0xen> lol
[11:11] <cry0xen> https://sayonara-player.com/
[11:11] <cry0xen> its also an qt based player like strawberry
[11:11] <daftykins> software choices are personal, so it's always a pretty boring topic because you should just experiment and pick what you get on with
[14:26] <cry0xen> does snap share libraries unlike flatpak?
[14:30] <ravage> cry0xen, https://snapcraft.io/docs/content-interface
[14:30] <ravage> one example is https://snapcraft.io/install/gnome-42-2204/ubuntu
[14:31] <ravage> or icon packs for applications
[14:32] <ogra> the mesa content snaps are also a good eample ... https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/canonicals-steam-snap-will-let-you-switch-between-different-mesa-stacks
[14:33] <ogra> (with a particular real-world use-case in that article 🙂 )
[15:47] <cry0xen> sorry for the late reply. I meant runtime environment libraries for apps. only debs does that i think
[15:48] <cry0xen> So you guys already know i am bit new to the game and looking for mostly lightweight alternatives. most of you thought its unnecessary and I think to some extent yes. Also i am trying to understand the community as well as operating system itself. Everything felt top notch. people can build their whole operating system from scratch. this was revolutionary. although i get stumble upon every now and then, there were alternatives and without few i 
[15:48] <cry0xen> can live by my own.
[15:49] <cry0xen> however for some weird reason my system felt heavy
[15:50] <cry0xen> and just few moments ago i discovered why.... https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
[15:50] <cry0xen> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=287869
[15:51] <cry0xen> apps dont share libraries thats why my memory was spiking
[15:52] <daftykins> were you the one running a potato?
[15:52] <cry0xen> i was running 4-5 type of app libraries in a single system. (yeah i am a messy desktop user)
[15:52] <cry0xen> yes
[15:53] <cry0xen> but dont underestimate a potato... rasberry pi is a potato
[15:54] <cry0xen> i was calling windows bloat but situation here was beyond my understanding
[15:54] <daftykins> you're not running a Pi though, right?
[15:56] <cry0xen> no. but thats beside the point. being opinionated is good however being blind to reason/fact is completely different issue is altogether
[15:56] <daftykins> the spec of what you're running is absolutely relevant
[15:57] <cry0xen> u live in US?
[15:57] <daftykins> no
[16:00] <cry0xen> sounds like that. please do go through that discussion or the article. It talks about a severe problem. and those guys arent using a potato
[16:01] <daftykins> nah i'm not interested in the form of software you chose to run, it sounded like you only recently got told to install one
[16:01] <cry0xen> who told me to install what?
[16:04] <daftykins> so you're withholding the specs, ok cool
[16:04] <cry0xen> i use firefox(s), quassel(f), mpv(f), quassel , lireoffice(f), onlyoffice(s), gimp(d)
[16:04] <cry0xen> and few others
[16:06] <cry0xen> its a bad practice that apps dont share runtime libraries. cpu-z was only few 60kb on windows and same kinda app is 29 mb
[16:06] <cry0xen> its not just flatpak i think snap has same issue
[16:06] <daftykins> CPU-Z 1.93 is 3,993 KB for the x64 .exe
[16:07] <daftykins> somehow where i am in the world has an impact on my questions eh? o0
[16:14] <cry0xen> yeah but thats stereotypical of me.... you are judging me instead of the topic i put in front of you. usually often points out to the people privileged or immature personality. you also shut  the topic down the other time  because it didnt interest you on the process you completely overlooked that jan C took the time to find a link and post here about quod libet something i think he feels interested otherwise he wont do so
[16:22] <daftykins> how can it be about you when i don't know you? i'm judging the physical hardware you're using together with the software choices you have made
[16:22] <daftykins> you're currently racing toward an ignore because this is totally nonsensical
[16:29] <cry0xen> "The penalties of huge alternate runtimes aren’t just in storage and bandwidth.
[16:29] <cry0xen> Each app with a new runtime adds another hundred megs or more of RAM usage. This adds up fast. Most computers don’t have enough RAM to run all their apps with alternate runtimes. The Raspberry Pi 400 has only 4 GB of RAM. Low-end Chromebooks have only 2 GB. Budget laptops tend to have 8 GB, mostly thanks to the bloat of Windows 10, but these app packaging solutions are catching up to it."
[16:29] <cry0xen> i am out of words. nice chatting with you
[16:32] <daftykins> no specs, no assistance, no conversation
[16:32] <daftykins> well done at wasting our time