[00:54] Square: I highly doubt your system is too slow, however maybe something's awry with the USB port your keyboard is in. Perhaps try switching it to a different USB port, or maybe even try to move to a different USB hub entirely (i.e., if it's plugged into a USB2 port on the back of your computer, plug it into a USB3 port instead, or move it to the front of your computer). [00:56] arraybolt3, ok. Ill try that. Yeah, I do have my keyboard in a USB hub (a KVM type one). [01:55] Square: Try connecting it directly just to rule that variable out. [03:14] mjt0k..i think you must have been correct about the wifi protocol changing to wifi 5 because it made sure the xbox 360 would not work any longer..that is why i must have found it in the junkpiles at goodwill for cheap [03:15] mjt0k..not only that but also the browser doesn't work any longer either because of html5 everywhere these days [03:16] mjt0k..well there is no point in getting upset about it..i guess you get what you pay for [03:16] lagunaloire: oO does the xbox 360 not know of html5? html5 is 14 years old, so I wonder [03:17] murmel..yes it has the old ie internet explorer which no longer works on the internet so it is really junk these days...no wonder microsoft is replacing it with the expensive xbox series x [03:17] This isn't the xbox support channel [03:19] genii yes ..i did not ask for xbox support here...just making a statement of why i found it in the junkpile for cheap like this ubuntu laptop with flickering problems on thunderbird [03:21] murmel and if html5 is 14 years old..that is new since the xbox360 is 15 years old [03:23] murmel but i was able to see that castlevania made a terrific comeback with lord of shadows in 3d for the xbox 360...having disappeared for many years after the playstation 1 game [03:27] murmel i am just saying i guess you get what you pay for [03:28] murmel and i don't want to pay very much for either an xbox series x or a playstation 5 [03:30] murmel because the ever changing protocols might obsolete them in short time also [03:32] murmel one thing about linux and the internet is that they both change code stuff almost every single day [03:33] murmel and have been doing that for more than 25 years [03:35] murmel good stories in games and movies last forever but software only lasts a couple of days before it gets changed [03:36] murmel just look how many changes are made every day to the code base of gentoo or arch linux === Liowenex_ is now known as Liowenex [03:49] murmel i can just hear the donor of the xbox 360 saying "i am fed up with this damn thing that won't connect to the internet any longer...i am just going to throw it away and donate it to the goodwill junkpile and go get a more modern console. === Abrax is now known as Baberax === Baberax is now known as Type-C === Type-C is now known as Abrax [04:10] and there is no way i am going to spend a lot of money on the xbox series x or the playstation 5 plus the cost of games...that will be obsolete as soon as they change the wifi protocols again [04:11] because without the internet you cannot update the games with any patches or be able to get the downloadable extra content to tie up loose ends in the stories === realivanjx2 is now known as realivanjx [04:23] and speaking of all these code changes everyday..slashdot just ran an article about low-code/no-code programming jobs and the commenters said..that is a bunch of crap for pointy haired bosses with no clue...becuase they have to write code every day [04:35] LinkandZelda...that is a classic nick...princess zelda never cried in the nes games but does break into tears in later games [04:35] LinkandZelda..what made you choose that nick [04:36] zelda crying added a little bit of reality because women can be very emotional at times [04:40] lagunaloire: This is the official Ubuntu technical support channel. It is not for general chat. Please remain on-topic. [04:41] arraybolt3 ok but i saw an interesting nick in the list of channel users === realivanjx0 is now known as realivanjx [05:03] well it is getting late here and nobody seems to have any serious problems today [05:03] so i will check back in later [05:09] chromium [05:09] [8998:8998:1027/070818.137117:FATAL:spawn_subprocess.cc(221)] posix_spawn: No such file or directory (2) [05:09] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) [05:24] Hello! I'm trying to change the "walk through windows" key from alt+tab to something else. But any other combination does not let me do it multiple times. For example when I set it to "ctrl+tab", I can press that once to go to the next window. But not twice to advance two windows. Any ideas why? === realivanjx1 is now known as realivanjx === SteelRose_ is now known as SteelRose === jimmyb6 is now known as jimmyb [07:13] hi ubuntu [07:13] hey [07:14] * auwooo hi all [07:14] good morning all! [07:14] morning [07:15] my Ubuntu 20.04 LTS updated some Lenovo firmware recently. Since then, when I boot up the laptop, it first shows the following message: [07:15] "Reading ME Firmware ... Please do not power off .XX% " <-- XX% is the progress of the process [07:15] later on, it shows: [07:16] "Failed to recover ME Firmware..." [07:16] however, it boots up correctly [07:16] do I have to worry? and, is there a way to fix it? [07:16] thanks [07:45] Hi [07:46] How can I sleep monitors with commandline and wake them up when I hit mouse or keyboard? [08:05] greeting, suddenly when I paste something in the terminal, it pastes the contents twice. eg: pasting "copy" will bring "copycopy". [08:10] iomari891, is it reproducible on another terminal emulator? [08:13] yes [08:14] my clipboard has been behaving strangely for weeks now. AS soon as I highlight something, it's automatically copied to clipbaord despite that fact that I don't have that set in my settings. === jontyms27077 is now known as jontyms2707 === realivanjx0 is now known as realivanjx === WalkenX is now known as blackchief [08:26] iomari891: Can you try creating a new user account and then logging into it, to see if this still happens there? [08:27] Maybe you have a corrupted configuration file. [08:31] 1 sec ... [08:38] arraybolt3: If I look at my clipbaord history, everything is normal. But when I paste, it doubles. [08:39] And this is in the new user? [08:39] If so, did you install a particular application just before it started happening? [08:39] I can't logout right now to test a new user [08:42] Hello! [08:42] mangohud is partially broken in ubuntu 22.04 [08:44] "mangohud glxgears" fails to run and says "can't get libdl.so" [08:47] kkkssf, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mangohud/+bug/1993862 [08:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1993862 in mangohud (Ubuntu) "MangoHud doesn't start with dlsym hooking" [Undecided, Confirmed] [08:49] So the bug will be soon fixed? [08:50] there is a possible patch in the comments. so.. maybe [08:54] hmm but it also doesn't work without --dlsym with opengl [08:54] like in this bugreport [08:54] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2014966 [08:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.redhat.com bug 2014966 in Fedora "can't get libdl.so" [Unspecified, Closed: Errata] [08:58] you can try the lastest release from https://github.com/flightlessmango/MangoHud/releases [08:59] remove the ubuntu package first === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [09:05] i am trying to figure out how to disable the on-screen keyboard for a touchscreen laptop (because its physically connected to a keyboard, i'll never need the onscreen one, and it keeps popping up when i try to draw and stuff) [09:05] but theres not much on google, it just says turn it off in Accessibility -- but it's already turned off there [09:06] Auctus: you might wanna check dconf-editor perhaps if there's a avlue for it [09:06] *value [09:06] Auctus: but im not sure if gnome maybe thinks in tablet mode its always needed [09:12] oh god, they changed the word "accessibility" to "a11y", so now if you search "accessibility" in there, it doesnt find anything [09:13] Auctus: try the 'keyboard' [09:13] there's one result for touchscreen, not relevant, bunch of results for "keyboard" in dconf-editor though, maybe i can find something useful in here [09:13] lotuspsychje: most of the stuff i can see is turned off but im still looking, its definitely a good idea, i didnt have dconf-editor installed [09:15] Auctus: another idea rising my mind, is install unity desktop on your tablet, it has a great tablet/touch support and maybe more option there [09:16] this isnt a tablet, its a dell 7490 laptop with a touchscreen, its not convertible or anything [09:17] lotuspsychje: thanks your idea to use dpkg-editor showed me a bunch of gnome stuff, so that gave me the clue to add "gnome" to my google searches [09:17] so now i am able to find more relevant stuff like this: [09:17] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1408136/how-to-disable-on-screen-keyboard-when-using-touchscreen [09:17] that didnt come up before, it recommends a gnome plugin to block the keyboard which is apparently called "caribou" [09:19] you got caribou installed Auctus my apt cache says no installed [09:20] ( apt policy caribou ) [09:22] ...no i dont [09:23] so i bet that extension wont do much then [09:23] it _looks_ like the screenshot of ^ whatever that guys keyboard is in that thread [09:25] Auctus: this worked on xenial, but i think gnome handles things differently https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/03/stop-onscreen-keyboard-auto-starting-ubuntu-16-04/ [09:25] what i think happens, is gnome auto thinks your device needs to be in tablet mode when you type and popups the virtual keyboard [09:26] i dont see an 'onboard' startup application anymore neither in gnome [09:27] Auctus: try this command, to see your full startup application list; sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g" /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop [09:28] Odd I have 4-5 hp laptops with touch screen and have no issues with the on screen popping up and it has the swivel screen with pen built in [09:29] toddc: wich ubuntu release/flavour? [09:29] 22.04 Gnome [09:29] weird [09:30] how about you Auctus whats your release [09:30] 22.04 [09:30] 20.04 Gnome was ok too as I recall there was a option during install that i ignored tho I have turned it on to test in settings [09:39] hi [09:40] hello [09:48] how am i going to find out what the on screen / virtual keyboard is even called? [09:48] Hello, I’m getting “error: no such partition. Entering rescue mode…” already tried set root and prefix but seems to be not working is there any solution? [09:49] How can I sleep monitors with commandline and wake them up when I hit mouse or keyboard? [09:50] webchat6: did you do something to your partitions recently? [09:51] Intelo: sleep 1; xset dpms force off [09:51] Yes I deleted an unsigned partition [09:52] hi all i have problem how can i boot my ubuntu bios didn't detect it [09:52] blazinglight: boot from what? [09:52] after i install linux everything crash [09:52] only bios can be found [09:53] not even anything can be found [09:53] i can only enter bios [09:53] even resetting everything nothing there [09:53] webchat6: maybe #linux is a better idea for a complicated, distro-agnostic issue like that; i'm not an expert on partitions or boot-related stuff [09:53] only f2 enter bios [09:54] blazinglight: are you trying to boot from internal disk or usb drive or? is it a laptop or a desktop? [09:54] Auctus ok thank you [09:56] laptop auctus [09:56] i already installed it [09:56] and after reboot everything gone [09:56] cdrom boot all i can see is just bios [09:56] after restart enter bios again [09:57] turn off and turn on bios again [09:57] nothing working [09:58] blazinglight: a few days ago i installed somethign on a machine in some wrong mode, and it turned out i had to go set the bios boot option thingie to "AHCI" and then install stuff and it just worked [09:59] on a dell laptop; all these new boot modes and uefi and security methods and stuff are confusing [09:59] thank you King [09:59] which one ? [09:59] AHCI [09:59] hard drive [09:59] i try now [10:03] Anyone know of some software that provides a convienent GUI for looking into the memory contents of random processes? Similar to the contents of /proc/pid/maps. I remember I had a program for this on Windows 7 ages ago, that was super nice and I could view contents in real-time. Is there something like this for Linux? [10:04] Kind of sounds like a debugger/profiler or some such. Maybe those search terms will help you out? [10:08] Mm ye. Just found https://github.com/KDE/heaptrack, might be something [10:08] Auctus nvm [10:08] We wiped the virus [10:09] and hack the bios [10:09] thank you [10:09] is all detected again [10:09] stupid ubuntu bios virus [10:16] blazinglight: i understand you tried to install a version of ubuntu on your (unknown to me) laptop and something (not sure what) did not work out as expected. if you want to try again and can provide the laptop model number, let me know. [10:17] nah that's fine [10:17] i just use my own OS [10:17] just to know ubuntu source code [10:17] too much laptop so far [10:17] anything new feature about ubuntu server ? [10:17] is it stable now ? [10:18] Any released version of Ubuntu Server will be stable. [10:18] okay thank you [10:19] So unless you go way out of your way to download a pre-release development version of Ubuntu Server, you should be good. LTS releases (like 22.04) are better since you won't have to upgrade them so frequently. === x1 is now known as wellwm === realivanjx3 is now known as realivanjx === pah is now known as pa === root is now known as Guest7387 [10:47] lotuspsychje_: update: despite caribou not being installed, the caribou blocker works [10:47] so it must block whatever caribou has been renamed to or whatever [10:47] oh thats good to know Auctus [10:52] Auctus, just for completeness, i think the OSK in gnome is called onboard since about a decade (or even more) [10:54] note that auctus isn't using ubuntu, though [10:54] so things could be working differently [10:57] ah [10:58] (i thought i saw 22.04 above) [11:02] tomreyn: i'll boot into plain old 22.04 LTS tomorrow, i bet its the same touchscreen behavior, i'll report back then [11:03] i was using it until last week on another laptop but do-release-upgrade meant, i guess, it was buggy, so im gonna try a clean install [11:03] right now though im just screwing around with new-to-me laptop hardware === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [11:42] hi everyone === hype is now known as HYPE === HYPE is now known as hype === floown_ is now known as floown === realivanjx4 is now known as realivanjx [12:36] Hi all [12:56] Hi Chat! I wanted to check in because I'm having a weird issue on my desktop running 22.04 with nvidia proprietary drivers. [12:57] I recently (couple of days ago) got a kernel update from 5.15.0-52-generic, to 5.17.0-1020-oem, which resulted in gnome not being able to start.. I assume due to some nvidia driver incompatibility [12:57] the question I have though, is why have I been upgraded from a generic kernel, to this OEM kernel? [12:58] 5.15.0-52-generic to 5.17.0-1020-oem is not a kernel update, that's a different kernel series [12:58] -generic to -oem [12:59] choose one or the other, and remove the other [12:59] hmm, well the oem kernel just installed when running a regular update, I didn't do anything (to my knowledge) to switch the kernel series [13:00] When I try to remove linux-image-5.17.0-1020-oem, apt installs linux-image-unsigned-5.17.0-1020-oem [13:00] and when I try to remove that, it reinstalls linux-image-5.17.0-1020-oem [13:00] can you run apt list --installed linux-* | nc termbin.com 9999 and post the url returned? [13:01] https://termbin.com/trno [13:01] you could: sudo apt update && sudo apt purge linux-*-oem [13:02] it's not clear why the -oem kernel got installed in the first place, but this should remove it [13:03] amazing! that's removed the oem kernel correctly :D [13:04] Thanks so much tomreyn! definitely puzzling how it got installed in the first place, but that's fixed my issue [13:05] aden_: you're welcome [13:25] On aptitude upgrade, the maintainer script tries to restart the postgresql@{{version}}-main service. I want to use my own custom service file instead, so I wrote my own and it's running, but on the update the script tries to start it again. Should I replace the contents of the systemd unit file with mine? And hope that the scripts will not change my service file again? [13:26] (tries to start the old service) [13:28] mask the original service [13:28] mask the original service? [13:29] yeah ... and hope that the postinst of the package does not hardcode the service name 🙂 [13:30] I followed https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts and figured out that /usr/share/postgresql-common/pg_updateaptconfig Adds NeverAutoRemove to apt config runs `systemctl daemon-reload` and `invoke-rc.d postgresql start $VERSION` [13:31] *and runs [13:31] is that an example of a hardcoded service name? [13:31] you can also use a systemd service override to use your own custom script with the same name: https://askubuntu.com/questions/659267/how-do-i-override-or-configure-systemd-services [13:32] "systemctl edit" or "systemctl edit --full" [13:36] can I change the name to avoid confusion? [13:37] No [13:38] New name means new service [13:38] I'd like to draw up a list of pros and cons for both, right now the options are masking and systemctl edit --full or are those the same? [13:38] if you change a service name, what happens with the next automatic update of that package? [13:39] If you mask the service it will not be restarted on a package update [13:40] depends ... [13:40] The post install script does not know anything about your new service [13:40] only if the package properly uses dh-systemd [13:40] but there are gazillion other (hackish) ways to retsrat a service in maintainer scripts [13:40] *restart [13:40] The most compatible way is to edit the existing service [13:41] yes, normally this should work [13:45] so I'll need to specifically tell it to edit postgresql@.service, systemctl edit --full will make a /etc/systemd/system/postgresl@.service file for me and I can put everything I need in there [13:46] *to tell systemd to edit postgresl@.service === realivanjx5 is now known as realivanjx === ViktorasCAM is now known as sinvet [14:42] Hi. Does anyone know where I can find the cache directory for Firefox that is installed with the latest Ubuntu LTS? I think it may be in a nonstandard locationi becuase its a snap [14:42] doesn't firefox display it in its settings page? [14:43] canurabus: probably $HOME/snap/firefox/cache ? [14:43] $HOME/snap/firefox/common/.cache/ [14:43] yeah, what ravage said [14:47] does jammy default install have a command like editor or sensible-editor but is asking for both gui and tty editors? [14:47] one that asks... [14:55] ty guys [15:00] mncheck, maybe its just me but i really dont know what your are talking about. maybe rephrase your question. [15:44] hi folks [15:45] I've got a weird problem that has popped up with firefox and location. Can't get my location, even though settings are correct in firefox. [15:45] It worked fine up until this week. [15:46] anyone here ? [15:47] johnfg: location is a system function, firefox is an isolated snap application. [15:47] rec: welcome to IRC, we usually just idle (sit here), just as, your question :) [15:47] *ask your question === Muli is now known as Muligan === PTNapivoski_ is now known as PTNapivoski === jontyms27074 is now known as jontyms2707 [16:16] Hello, how do I upgrade to 22.10 from the GUI? [16:17] what are you running now? === root is now known as Guest5378 [16:17] 22.04.1 [16:18] !rootirc | Guest5378 [16:18] Guest5378: It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet. [16:21] Bardon: open Files (the file browser), press ctrl-l, then type: admin:///etc/update-manager/ and press enter [16:22] johnfg, plese open a bug, this should definitely work well [16:22] First time on Linux Mint 20,3 Cinnamon. Seems to be very good. [16:23] tomreyn: Then once I'm in that folder, what do I do? [16:23] Bardon: enter your password and then right-click on "release-upgrades" (the file) and select "open with text editor". then enter your password again, and edit the file to say "Prompt=normal" (without the quotation marks) on a line on its own, then close and save the file, and search for updates [16:23] !discuss | anynomous69 [16:23] anynomous69: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [16:23] I it set to normal already [16:24] !mint | anynomous69 [16:24] anynomous69: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official !flavors. Derivatives and other distributions use different software repositories and other software. Please use their dedicated support venues, such as: Linux Mint: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, Pop!_OS: https://support.system76.com/ , Kali Linux: #kali-linux on irc.oftc.net, LXLE: https://lxle.net/support-options/ [16:24] Bardon: well, then you should just need to look for upgrades, running update-manager -c [16:24] Right, I missed the -c [16:25] But how come when I opened update-manager it didn't prompt me? [16:25] to ugprade [16:25] i guess it doesn't always check [16:25] I had to launch it from the terminal with -c [16:25] Hmm ok [16:25] Thanks :) === realivanjx3 is now known as realivanjx === root is now known as Guest8827 [16:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46sVCxEjExI [16:42] ravage: i think you may have hit the wrong channel there ;) [16:42] totally [16:44] Is there a way to set a new gnome 3 keyboard shortcut through a config file? [16:47] junebug: Make the change through the GUI and then check to see what files have changed. There's your example. [16:49] jhutchins, any way to narrow down where the change could be happening? Not sure I can monitor every file in the harddrive :D [16:51] junebug: ~/.* [16:51] junebug: Probably something that includes "gnome" in the path. [16:52] Thanks. Very helpful ;) [16:52] junebug: Well, maybe not, but it's the best I've got for you. [16:53] I wonder if there's any gnome documentation for that? [16:53] * tomreyn evil laughs [17:02] i have an apt repo mirror and my 14.04 machines are complaining `dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages` is no longer in the repo. I'm in the process of updating the repo with debmirror, which is taking exceptionally long because of reasons of my own. [17:03] i'm not sure if debmirror delete that file (i see it in the repo's .temp?) or if I did. Is that normal behavior for debmirror? [17:03] 14.04 is EOL so thats normal [17:15] 14.04 Trusty should be alive still - the end of line is scheduled for April 2024 [17:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [17:15] mjt0k: that is only for paid support [17:16] it is still available with ESM [17:16] ESM = paid support [17:16] well [17:16] ah [17:16] not really [17:16] I know right to nothing about ubuntu :) [17:16] it is free for up to 5 mashines [17:17] but i would not recommend 14.04 at all if you can upgrade / reinstall [17:17] well, I would not recommend 20.04 focal either :) But people use these still ;) [17:18] * mjt0k hides [17:18] mjt0k: don't [17:27] ravage: 14.04 repo was working until last night's refresh, so [17:28] (and it's still refreshing, it's just not finished yet, as i described) [17:28] xMopx: sorry, it's not supported here [17:28] xMopx: you really shouldn't be running a release from over 8 years ago [17:29] !esm | xMopx if you'd like further support with it, please see this [17:29] xMopx if you'd like further support with it, please see this: Canonical offers paid extended security support for end-of-life LTS releases through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly. [17:29] agree, starting over clean to supported release would be a great idea [17:29] well i'm running debmirror on a 20.04 machine, that's where the problem is happening [17:29] :-P [17:29] xMopx: 'the problem'? [17:29] yes, what i described a few lines up [17:30] i was asking about debmirror behavior [17:30] xMopx: what reason do you have to continue running an unsupported, 8 year old release? [17:34] xMopx, 14.04 was removed from all archive mirrors years ago. so the behaviour your system shows it expected [17:35] ravage: it was working until last night [17:35] that can't be right [17:35] cant really test it and as mentioned before this is not supported here [17:35] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ still has "trusty*" [17:36] xMopx: it's probably time to say goodbye to an 8-year-old install [17:39] i hope someday people will understand sometimes legacy systems exist and need to be supported and saying No They Don't isnt helpful === Ringtailed-Fox is now known as RingtailedFox [17:39] xMopx: as has been said, you can get commercial support for a defined subset of what released as 14.04 LTS until April 2024. [17:40] ok there is still a 14.04 LXC image. it comes with the ESM sources and nothing else. just FYI :) [17:40] xMopx: it's just that you will have a hard time finding someone around here wanting to support it. [17:40] I've created a VPN server. I want to limit the client to having access to only one website. I've tried the following code on iptable but it doesn't work. https://paste.ofcode.org/wzjbsWWD8jqYQ5whNZ3BqC [17:40] xMopx: i hope someday people will understand sometimes development engineers and support engineers can't be expected to support a dozen versions of software dating back almost a decade === rdr_ is now known as rdr [17:41] alireza: iptables doesn't care about content or domains. Only ip's and ports [17:41] thanks, What firewall can I use? [17:42] leftyfb: i thought i was pretty clear my question was about modern debmirror running on modern 20.04. Only symptom appears on an old OS [17:42] it will resolve that domain actually. but only once. and meta has a lot of IPs :) [17:42] xMopx: your issue has to do with the deprecated 14.04 repositories, not the 20.04 server trying to mirror [17:43] leftyfb: no it doesn't, i can point a 14.04 box at the official 14.04 mirror and not see the problem [17:43] xMopx: why not just do that then? [17:43] xMopx: do other OS's work from your mirror? [17:43] Ok guys, I'll check out what you said. [17:43] leftyfb: that my mirror shows the issue and the official one doesn't is a clear indication of where the problem is [17:44] jhutchins: is the location system function in settings? [17:44] xMopx: good luck. Feel free to reach out to Canonical for ESM support [17:44] xMopx: sounds like you just need to replace that 14.04 machine [17:45] replace a whole machine because of mirror software issue on a separate box? That's silly [17:45] xMopx: at some point you're going to have to [17:45] xMopx: replace the OS with one that is supported [17:45] xMopx: it's very very unsupported [17:45] the software im having a problem with, debmirror, is supported [17:45] xMopx: If we could support stuff like that, we would. But we have enough trouble trying to keep tabs on three or four releases at once. Many of us are volunteers, we only have so much we can do. Canonical does understand that legacy systems exist, that's why ESM is a thing. [17:45] xMopx: the OS isn't [17:46] xMopx: let me put it this way, then [17:46] xMopx: does your mirror work with a supported release? [17:46] xMopx: if the disk in your 14.04 machine failed, what would you do? [17:46] gordonjcp: it's a vm, restore it from snapshots offsite [17:46] leftyfb: is xenial supported? That works [17:46] xMopx: If the OS isn't supported, then if something in supported software changes in a way that breaks it, that's to be expected. The longer something is out of support, the easier it is for things to support. [17:47] xMopx: Xenial is also EOL and only supported via Canonical ESM. [17:47] jhutchins: Found it in settings, and that did the job. Thanks a lot. [17:47] xMopx: okay, then why do you need to continue to footer with it? [17:47] The earliest supported release is 18.04, and even that is almost EOL. [17:47] xMopx: why does it even need a package repository? [17:47] gordonjcp: to support legacy systems [17:47] xMopx: there are no package updates [17:48] xMopx: so you don't need a repo [17:48] xMopx: support how, exactly? [17:48] if i pave a box or built a 14.04 docker container i still need the package repo [17:48] xMopx: there will never be any new updates or packages [17:48] xMopx: yeah, don't do that, that's idiotic [17:48] jeeze [17:49] you're creating 14.04 dockers? [17:49] there is literally no reason at all to build a new system running 14.04 [17:49] xMopx: Eventually you're going to have to figure out how to get around this problem without needing support. In a couple of years even Canonical ESM won't support that. Technology moves. Move with it or get left behind. You can only delay the inevitable, and if you delay it much longer things may get a lot more painful than they already are. [17:49] supporting legacy software isnt "idiotic" and i expect better from the ubuntu community [17:49] xMopx: okay, I'm sorry you feel that way [17:49] xMopx: 14.04 is not supported [17:49] xMopx, sorry to disappoint [17:49] xMopx: the ubuntu community cannot be expected to support legacy software [17:49] xMopx: there is no more 14.04 [17:50] it is gone, dead, finished [17:50] xMopx: if you want to support it, that is on you [17:50] but we should really end this topic. it goes nowhere [17:50] xMopx: In case it's helpful, you might be able to migrate your repository to an older version of debmirror and run that repository just for your 14.04 machines. [17:51] leftyfb: i meant that i expect not to be called an idiot for talking about real world use cases [17:51] that doesnt seem like much of an ask. [17:51] xMopx: nobody called you anything [17:52] xMopx: If you absolutely can't upgrade, the best you can do is freeze the environment around the legacy systems. Also bear in mind if you provide Internet access to the legacy systems they are very vulnerable to malicious attacks, so air-gapping said systems would be an extremely good idea. [17:52] leftyfb: no, gordonjcp did [17:52] xMopx: just a thought; if you have a lot of packages already downloaded that you want to serve, you could serve them from a bog standard web server [17:52] xMopx: false. Either way. Good luck [17:52] xMopx: no, I said that trying to create 14.04 VMs was idiotic [17:52] because it is [17:52] it's such an astonishingly bad idea [17:53] it's literally the daftest idea I've heard all day and I've spent most of it talking to people who think that ISDN lines are the white heat of technology [17:53] lets move on as ravage stated [17:54] gordonjcp: one day you'll learn about upkeep of legacy systems. and on that day you'll understand the error of your statements [17:54] stop it please xMopx [17:55] gordonjcp: Saying something is idiotic when it's something someone else is doing is a bit like calling them an idiot, just for the record. [17:55] xMopx: If you care to, you could DM me. I can't officially help support a system like that, but I can try to unofficially help out. [17:56] /query arraybolt3 will do that. [17:56] lotuspsychje: why am i being singled out? I asked a question about supported software running on a supported os and got called an idiopt [17:56] lotuspsychje: single out gordonjcp instead [17:56] xMopx: what are you even trying to run, that requires 14.04? [17:57] xMopx: Please stop. This is against channel rules, and I'd hate for you to end up receiving consequences. I'm open to a DM if you'd like me to try to help, but this isn't allowed here. [17:57] gordonjcp: i said im running debmirror on 20.04. please stop derailing the conversaion [17:58] xMopx: I'm not sure how much more clear we need to be. debmirror may change and not keep allowing older operating systems to work. If you have an older OS anywhere in the picture, and only the older OS has problems, then the fault is with the older OS, not with the mirror. And even if the mirror change is what caused the problem, it's still the fault of the older OS for not catching up. [17:59] arraybolt3: i mentioned that it was working until last night's mirror refresh. [17:59] i didnt mention it, but i didnt change the version of debmirror either [18:00] (and in any case, i asked specifically about how debmirror behaves, not how2fix) [18:00] xMopx: And that's a valid point, but this is still not the place for this. You can DM me, or you can DM someone else who offers to help if they do offer to help, or you can take this to a different channel, or give up. This channel is not going to help. [18:01] debmirror on 20.04 seems to fit into whats mentioned as supported in the topic [18:02] xMopx: debmirror on 20.04 probably depends on the systems that access it being able to keep up with change. I have some ideas, but again, this is not the channel. [18:03] There's a lot of things that can go wrong with an EOL system that depends on non-EOL software, even if the version didn't update. [18:03] yes and i mentioned a test that was performed to check if that was the issue, and it wasn't [18:03] 2 tests actually [18:04] xMopx: no [18:04] xMopx: why do you need to run 14.04? What is it that you need to run on 14.04? [18:04] gordonjcp: let's give this topic a rest, please [18:05] where can I download ubuntu 20.04 sources.list? [18:06] *22.04 [18:06] xx: if you are running 22.04, then a standard 'sudo apt update' will do it [18:06] xx, it comes with your installation. what is your problem? [18:06] xx: You can just write it yourself. [18:06] I'm not on ubuntu yet, I need to debootstrap it [18:07] and for that I need the sources.list [18:07] xx: Oh. I don't have much experience there, but I can give you a file that is more or less what you're wanting. [18:07] i have it somewhere in my install script i think. 1 sec [18:07] i usually spin up a docker container and grab the list from there, since i have docker on my computer [18:07] does the docker image point to official ubuntu repos? [18:07] if yes, I'll grab it from there [18:07] xx: yeah [18:08] xx: https://bpa.st/R5KA [18:08] xx: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/B6T2sPwxH9/ [18:08] xMopx: That's for the main US mirror, you may need to change the mirror. [18:08]