[03:32] <Guest14> Hi, I've been using Ubuntu for the past year and ran into a frustrating issue. Updated to 22.10 today, had a lock screen freeze, rebooted, and now every time I try to do a full boot it doesn't go to the lock screen but instead the boot log messages. Any idea what to try?
[03:33] <rjwiii> Anyone here have a System76 Thelio and successfully upgraded to 22.04?
[05:15] <gambusia> 2
[05:35] <morgan-u2> will peacocktv work ? 22.04 says my linux settings are not supported. Grrr.
[05:38] <morgan-u2> can I make my linux have a fake android susb-area so peacocktv will work on it?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> rjwiii: system76 devices, best work with PopOs but that doesnt mean ubuntu cant work properly on them
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> rjwiii: did you LTS upgrade towards 22.04?
[06:27] <toddc> lotuspsychje: rjwill I am on a Galago Pro sysem 76 running Ubuntu 22.04 with the system 76 repo for firmware no issues noted after 3 months sofar
[06:27] <toddc> rjwiii: ^
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> toddc: nice, but popos has some special apps and configs too right?
[06:30] <toddc> lotuspsychje: no idea I only use default Ubuntu Gnome 22.04 on 25 computers all the same and rarely test other de or distros
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> sweet
[06:32] <toddc> just happed to have a system 76 laptop so that is one of my main for service calls---lowley sysadmin
[06:34] <toddc> I may try to upgrade bios to Clevo to get UEFI and secure boot but minor issue so not done that yet
[06:35] <toddc> I only test other DE for our local installfests as needed   pi or older computers or requests
[07:20] <rjwiii> lotuspsychje: yes ... used the updater to upgrade. the system76 driver is having dependancy issues. LTS 20.04 -> LTS 22.04 upgrade ...
[07:20] <rjwiii> lotuspsychje: yes ... used the updater to upgrade. the system76 driver is having dependancy issues. LTS 20.04 -> LTS 22.04 upgrade ...
[08:53] <johnny_Linux> Dont worry-behappy
[09:05] <johnny_Linux> I fear the day, when technology-overlaps humanity, because then, we will have a generation of idiots - Einstein.
[09:13] <johnny_Linux> They murdered my son. He was 57:  https://plandemicseries.com
[09:13] <johnny_Linux> im 78
[09:41] <olle> Hm, why wouldn't apt update and apt upgrade give me the latest firefox version? I'm on 105 now
[09:41] <olle> Latest seem to be 106
[09:41] <olle> Description:    Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS
[09:42] <olle> 20.04, so not that old distro
[09:42] <olle> Ideas?
[09:48] <EriC^^> !info firefox focal
[09:48] <EriC^^> olle: it's what's available in 20.04 right now
[09:56] <olle> Weird that web pages complain that I'm outdated
[09:57] <olle> Google sheets, Cliq
[09:57] <olle> Discuss is super weird for me too
[09:57] <olle> Na ja
[11:25] <zteam> Hi, does anybody here knows any alternative to xkill under wayland?
[11:26] <VIA> i dont zteam, but hows it being used ?
[11:27] <VIA> idk what command htop used to terminate processes
[11:27] <tomreyn> it probably sends a kill signal to processes
[11:28] <zteam> VIA, I usually bind it to CTRL+ESC personally its a very convinent way to close frozen windows
[11:30] <zteam> tomreyn, well it closes the apps connection to the X-server, so the application might not always be killed properly, but it does gets rid of frozen windows very esaily :-)
[11:31] <tomreyn> zteam: usually, when mutter notices that a process no longer responds, it spawns a window to allow you to kill the process.
[11:31] <tomreyn> s/window/graphical prompt/
[11:32] <VIA> im still with [ALT]+[F4] and the occasional taskmanager
[11:34] <VIA> im trying to find out the email i registered my account with
[11:34] <zteam> tomreyn, haven't used wayland much but X (or is it gnome ?) does have a similair feature, but I never find that too reliable, haven't experienced how wayland behaves much though
[11:36] <tomreyn> the feature i just discussed is implemented in mutter, the gnome window manager
[11:36] <tomreyn> and a wayland compositor
[11:36] <zteam> VIA, sometimes that doesn't work reliable
[11:38] <tomreyn> xkill is an application which (ab)uses the ability of one X application to access properties of another. which wayland considers a security issue (so do I, for the most part), and tries to prevent by design.
[11:40] <zteam> tomreyn, I have Kodi freezed twice yesterday, couldn't even bring up a TTY (and this is with a completly fresh Ubuntu 22.10 installation (not sure if I would had been able to reach xkill in that scenario any way, but I sure would had liken to try
[11:40] <tomreyn> kodi is a qt application, right? are you running kde?
[11:42] <zteam> tomreyn, nope, vanilla Gnome from Ubuntu 22.10 :-), not sure if Kodi uses qt or not
[11:43] <fauxpride> any recommendations for a good on-demand AV scanner for ubuntu?
[11:44] <tomreyn> i see. i think kwin, the plasma / kde window manager + compositor, offers an on-demand way for killing individual processes by pressing ctrl-alt-esc
[11:45] <yogendra> hello
[11:45] <tomreyn> fauxpride: what's the use case - are you neaning to detect malware that could harm windows systems?
[11:45] <zteam> fauxpride, if you would just like to scan some single executables, I would suggest just uploading those to www.virustotal.com
[11:46] <tomreyn> *meaning
[11:46] <tomreyn> fauxpride: for the above use case, i think clamav is a good enough option.
[11:47] <fauxpride> tomreyn, zteam, I've run a nmap inside my nat, and it return an open port associated with a trojan that uses a vuln in the linux kernel. I have an ubuntu box on the network, and I want to isolate the problem - see if it's that machine or the router.
[11:47] <fauxpride> return/s
[11:47] <fauxpride> or if it's none of the above.
[11:48] <tomreyn> can you not just boot another kernel image on the apparently affected system?
[11:49] <tomreyn> and did you already try to inspect that system?
[11:49] <tomreyn> oh you scanned from outside the nat. how about scanning inside it?
[11:50] <tomreyn> also, the router should be able to tell whether it's forwarding traffic to an internal system or not (unless it's compromised on a root/kernel level, i guess)
[11:51] <fauxpride> tomreyn - I've scanned from inside. It doesn't see the port open from outside.
[11:51] <zteam> fauxpride, try rkhunter and ckhrootkit
[11:51] <tomreyn> i'd focus on the router then
[11:51] <fauxpride> zteam - thanks, will give them a try.
[11:52] <fauxpride> tomreyn, that was my feeling too - that the router might be compromised.
[11:52] <tomreyn> what kind of a router is it?
[11:52] <zteam> The router is probably the most likely victim since those usually are left without updates rather quickly
[11:52] <fauxpride> although, it's a bit weird, the port is using a legitimate service as well as used by a trojan that had been discovered in 2015.
[11:52] <fauxpride> tomreyn Netgear - they're pretty solid with security fixes.
[11:53] <fauxpride> and I just updated the firmare like 3 days ago.
[11:53] <fauxpride> *firmware
[11:54] <tomreyn> did you study its manual? maybe it exposes this port by default?
[11:54] <tomreyn> SOHO routers will often do such
[11:54] <zteam> fauxpride, have you changed the default login password for the router ?
[11:54] <fauxpride> zteam - I did.
[11:54] <fauxpride> this is the vuln: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-45608
[11:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Certain D-Link, Edimax, NETGEAR, TP-Link, Tenda, and Western Digital devices are affected by an integer overflow by an unauthenticated attacker. Remote code execution from the WAN interface (TCP port 20005) cannot be ruled out; however, exploitability was judged to be of "rather significant complexity" but not "impossible." The overflow is in SoftwareBus_dispatchNormalEPMsgOut in the KCodes NetUSB kernel module. Affected NETGEAR devices...
[11:54] <tomreyn> anyways, i think this is more a #security or #networking topic than an #ubuntu one
[11:55] <fauxpride> the port is listed in the description.
[11:55] <fauxpride> I am not using that service nor have I forwarded that port.
[11:56] <fauxpride> apparently multiple CVEs associated with it: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-3036
[11:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Stack-based buffer overflow in the run_init_sbus function in the KCodes NetUSB module for the Linux kernel, as used in certain NETGEAR products, TP-LINK products, and other products, allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code by providing a long computer name in a session on TCP port 20005.
[11:57] <zteam> fauxpride, just boot your computer from a liveusb and see if that port is still being open
[11:59] <fauxpride> good advice zteam, that will surely isolate it to the router.
[11:59] <fauxpride> thanks
[11:59] <fauxpride> will do that later.
[12:01] <zteam> fauxpride, well to be fair I belive tomreyn suggested this before me :-D
[12:01] <fauxpride> just shutting down the machine will probably work too, right?
[12:02] <zteam> fauxpride, yep, providewd you have something else to check for open ports with
[12:02] <zteam> :-)
[12:05] <fauxpride> wonder if it's a real concern if the port is stealthed from the outside, which it appears it is.
[12:07] <zteam> fauxpride,, well if that port is probable indication of malware it sure is
[12:09] <zteam> fauxpride, otherwise, just tell the port number here, that way, other users can tell if it is open theirs Ubuntu installations too
[12:09] <tomreyn> while all this continues to be off-topic here, here's another, final, hint from my end: the port is open (to the WAN, 0.0.0.0) by default on multiple netgear (and other vendors') products. this alone does not have to indicate a vulnerability, especially if there is no service listening / the tcp connection cannot be established. https://kb.netgear.com/000064437/Security-Advisory-for-Pre-Authentication-Buffer-Overflow-on-Multiple-Products-PSV-2021
[12:09] <tomreyn> -0278 lists affected netgear products and firmware versions.
[12:09] <fauxpride> zteam: it's probable only from inside the NAT. And apparently it's part of their "USB ReadyShare" feature: https://community.netgear.com/t5/Nighthawk-WiFi-Routers/Xcept4-port-20005/td-p/1128520
[12:09] <tomreyn> and now please move this to a place where it's on topic
[12:13] <fauxpride> Alright, thanks. I started this thread because I was unsure if it's a router or an Ubuntu thing - given I have a box running on my network.
[12:13] <fauxpride> Anyway, thanks for the help so far.
[12:13] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[12:20] <Kikkoman> Good day all. Trying to write a little bash script, to check for difference between files. Using ```diff```for this, and well that does what i expect it to.  But upon it returning differences, i would like to issue the cp command from A->B.
[12:20] <Kikkoman> Now my question is, how could i get only the filepaths that diff returns?
[12:21] <Kikkoman> Been trying my way with ```grep``` a little bit, by trying to exluce words or patterns, but have not been successful so far.
[12:22] <geirha> are you trying to reinvent rsync? to copy only changed files?
[12:22] <Kikkoman> rsync, that is something i am not aware of i'm afraid :)
[12:22] <Kikkoman> Sounds very interesting though.
[12:23] <geirha> by default it compares filesize and mtime to determine if the source file is different or newer, but you can also tell it to compare by checksum instead
[12:23] <Kikkoman> geirha very interesting. Will have a look in the manual.  Thank you :)
[12:41] <Dragon1964> Good morning, does anyone know how to enable single click on desktop icons in ubuntu 22.10? This option seems to have gone missing
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> Dragon1964: nautilus should have single click options in preferences
[12:44] <Dragon1964> OK ty, I actually looked there before I came here but see it was right in front of my face
[12:44] <Dragon1964> ty
[12:44] <Dragon1964> more coffee!
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> Dragon1964: or extensions/desktop icons NG/settings
[12:52] <Kikkoman> So having a look at the manual for `rsync` do i get this right, that i could also use it to sync to a sambashare too?  Not that i need that right now but :)
[12:52] <ravage> if you mount it then yes
[12:52] <Kikkoman> Sweet.
[12:53] <Kikkoman> Btw, a totally different question that has been bothering me for some time..
[12:56] <Kikkoman> I have a piece of software that i use for billing. And currently, i have the sqlite database for it, placed on the server. I then do a manual mount of that location in to a folder accessible by user. For testing something like /home/user/Music/Test.  But for some reason, i had to add option `nobrl` to the mount command, to disable ehh, where they
[12:56] <Kikkoman> called bytelocks?  Otherwise i always got a report, that the database was locked.
[12:56] <Habbie> sqlite really does not want to be accessed over a network filesystem
[12:57] <Kikkoman> Habbie hmm i see..  But, this was the only quick way, i could come to think of, for having the database shared, between the billing program, on several devices.
[12:57] <Habbie> ok
[12:57] <Habbie> sqlite wasn't really made for that, sadly
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:57] <Habbie> if samba locking is reliable, it might work
[12:57] <Habbie> but i don't know if it is
[12:58] <Habbie> section 6 of https://www.sqlite.org/lockingv3.html does not mention SMB but contains plenty of scary words
[12:58] <Kikkoman> I'm just wondering, what is locking the file?  Is it the fact, that i do that custom mount?
[12:59] <Kikkoman> Because, if i mount without `nobrl` And open the billing software, the file is already locked.
[13:00] <Habbie> Kikkoman, i am not sure, but one possibility is that with nobrl, you end up with no locking at all - meaning that if you do use the db from 2 machines at the same time, you will corrupt it
[13:00] <Kikkoman> That is exactly what i am coming to, and afraid of.
[13:01] <ravage> long story short: dont use sqlite over network. avoid multiple connections. if you absolutley need to make sure only one application does write operations. but really: use a real database like mysql or postgres
[13:02] <Habbie> if you avoid 'sqlite over network', multiple connections etc. do become safe, to be clear
[13:02] <Habbie> (and i don't think "real" is a useful word here)
[13:03] <ravage> Multiple processes can have the same database open at the same time. Multiple processes can be doing a SELECT at the same time. But only one process can be making changes to the database at any moment in time
[13:03] <Kikkoman> Ahaa i see. So my fears are coming true after all.  Looks like i need to write a billing software then X)  I'm not really up for making changes in someone else's code.
[14:53] <jhutchins> ravage: Samba shares do not need to be mounted for rsync.
[15:03] <jhutchins> Habbie: MySQL supports hundreds of simultaneous write connections, and can synchronise the writes among multiple servers in a cluster.
[15:12] <dust> chromium
[15:12] <dust> [44983:44983:1029/171224.796752:FATAL:spawn_subprocess.cc(221)] posix_spawn: No such file or directory (2)
[15:12] <dust> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
[15:36] <jhutchins> dust: Wow, so many variables left unstated.  What release?  What Xserver?  What version of chromium?  Installed as a .deb or a snap?  what plugins? what type of content?  What URL?
[15:37] <dust> jhutchins, 22.10 standard install... it dosnt start...
[15:38] <samba35> hi
[15:38] <samba35> how to use python 3.7/8 instead of 2.x
[15:39] <samba35> on 18.4
[15:39] <jhutchins> !python3
[15:39] <jhutchins> !python
[15:40] <samba35> this is ubuntu specification quastion becase both version of python are installed but not to sure how ubuntu select or prefer 3.x version
[15:48] <tomreyn> samba35: you can specify it in an environment variable or hashbang
[15:51] <samba35> ok
[16:02] <FKAShinobi> I'm trying to setup a VM in VBox to use Host-Only networking. I have an adapter for this in the Host Network Manager but when I go to change the IP config for the adapter, I'm getting a message that it failed to save the changes because access was denied. Do I have to add my user to a particular group to do this?
[16:04] <tomreyn> ubuntu version, kernel version, virtualbox version, virtualbox installation method and source will be helpful.
[16:05] <mjt0k> it does not look like vbox-related in any way, it is more like a local user in the VM does not have permissions to save config files in /etc
[16:05] <mjt0k> and kernel version and ubuntu version is also of little relevance
[16:06] <mjt0k> s/in the VM//
[16:08] <alkisg> Are you talking about this virtualbox menu? File > Tools > Network manager?
[16:18] <jhutchins> !virtualbox
[16:19] <jhutchins> There's also a smallish #vbox echo, forums are probably a better resource.
[16:24] <pr0g_rom> привет всем
[16:29] <EriC^> !ru | pr0g_rom
[16:52] <Tazy> hmm I think I might need to format this intel up board, updating it causes it to hang
[16:53] <Tazy> stuck on Generating the initramfs, it's not longer responding to pings
[16:58] <FKAShinobi> tomreyn mjt0k: I found this and it worked. https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8671230.html?sid=0380427fc00d27f1710c06eec670bd9c
[17:10] <jhutchins> Tazy: What version are you upgrading from/to?  How are you doing the upgrade (iso image, software menu, etc.)?  Have you tried running the upgrade more than once?  How long did you wait for the hang to clear?
[17:11] <Tazy> jhutchins, normal update, on 22LTS, I had to reset the board, run a dpkg and now it seems fixed or for now
[17:30] <Kikkoman> Good evening. I was on earlier. And was told about ```rsync``` for backing up / copying files from one location to the other. And it works just great. However, something i am wondering about is. ```rsync``` is supposed to only sync files that differ.   However when i run it again, after it has just synced files, it keeps mentioning them again.
[17:30] <Kikkoman> Like this: ```sending incremental file list
[17:30] <Kikkoman> ./
[17:30] <Kikkoman> Download_List.ods
[17:30] <Kikkoman>          31,758 100%    0.00kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#1, to-chk=49/51)
[17:30] <Kikkoman> temp.txt
[17:31] <leftyfb> !paste | Kikkoman
[17:31] <Kikkoman> Oh my excuses.
[17:32] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: which filesystem isyour source and destination?
[17:32] <Kikkoman> First one is source, and second is destination.
[17:32] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: yes, which filesystem(format) is your source and destination?
[17:33] <miko> miko
[17:33] <miko> hello
[17:33] <leftyfb> miko: hello. What can we help you with
[17:34] <Guest6912> aplication is laging my computer
[17:35] <Guest6912> hello
[17:35] <Kikkoman> leftyfb The destination is a USB stick, that actually says it's ```msdos``` should i worry about this? "hehe"   And well, source is the HDD of the machine, so FAT most likely ?
[17:35] <Guest6912> hello
[17:36] <Guest6912> hello
[17:36] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: please run this:   (cat /etc/os-release ; lsblk -o +type -e7 -f ) | nc termbin.com 9999   # and paste the resulting URL here
[17:36] <Guest6912> how are  you
[17:37] <leftyfb> Guest6912: which version of ubuntu and which application is giving you problems?
[17:37] <Guest6912> yes
[17:37] <leftyfb> !pl | Guest6912
[17:37] <leftyfb> Guest6912: please do not PM me
[17:37] <Guest6912> ok
[17:38] <Guest6912> im from poland
[17:38] <Kikkoman> leftyfb  Very interesting command there :)  Here you go: https://termbin.com/cp76t
[17:39] <Guest6912> its virus
[17:39] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: so you're running Ubuntu from a live usb?
[17:39] <leftyfb> Guest6912: this is a support channel. Do you need help with something?
[17:39] <Guest6912> my computer in infected
[17:39] <leftyfb> Guest6912: please reinstall Ubuntu then. Good luck
[17:40] <Kikkoman> leftyfb No i'm not. It's installed on system.  Using rsync to copy to KINGSTON.
[17:40] <Guest6912> pls join mko
[17:41] <leftyfb> Guest6912: feel free to post random stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel
[17:41] <Guest6912> thank you
[17:42] <Guest6912> pls join mko
[17:42] <Guest6912> pls join mko
[17:42] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: either way, rsync works best with linux filesystems like ext3 and ext4. It's not going to preserve and compare permissions with FAT
[17:42] <Guest6912> pls join mko
[17:42] <Guest6912> pls join mko
[17:42] <Guest6912> pls join mkopls join mkopls join mko
[17:43] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: https://www.clug.org/rsync-to-fat32-drives/
[17:43] <morgan-hp> 22.04 HP laptop, ethernet connection. How can I create a wifi network to test something?  (test if it can connect)
[17:43] <Kikkoman> leftyfb  Ahhh i had no idea.
[17:46] <Kikkoman> I guess, i will copy all the stuff from the USB over to the hard drive then. Reformat to ext3 and give it a new go.
[17:46] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: ext4
[17:46] <Kikkoman> Gotcha :)
[17:48] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Does FAT even have file permissions besides ro?
[17:48] <morgan-hp> hearing no answer, I think I will grab an old android phone to check.
[17:49] <leftyfb> jhutchins: not as far as I know
[17:49] <Kikkoman> Just to point out, the part of actually copying the files with rsync worked just great as is. Was just wondering, why it listed the files in incrementing list, over and over. Because well, this was what rsync was not supposed to do :)
[17:50] <Kikkoman> morgan-hp I don't think we quite understood the question. How do you mean create a wifi network ?
[17:50] <leftyfb> Kikkoman: because it was not able to compare all of the attributes rsync uses to decide if the file is different or not. So it copies everything again
[17:50] <yrdsb> wait i been unbanned from #ubuntu
[17:50] <yrdsb> i thought the ban for #ubuntu was permanent
[17:51] <leftyfb> yrdsb: this is a support channel. Please stay on topic. Feel free to discuss bans in #ubuntu-ops
[17:51] <willmc59> Hello all
[17:52] <Kikkoman> Thank you once more leftyfb for explaining it all in detail. I will proceed as advised :)
[17:52] <jhutchins> morgan-hp: Given that most commercial routers run a version of Linux, all of the functions to create a network are available in a normal distro.
[17:52] <willmc59> can anyone here see me?
[17:52] <leftyfb> !ask | willmc59
[17:54] <jhutchins> Kikkoman: There are some options/switches that will make an rsync with a MS format drive easier, ignoring incompatible features.
[17:55] <Kikkoman> jhutchins I'm all ears. Are you saying i should not switch then ? :)
[17:55] <leftyfb> jhutchins: that really only ignores the attempts to set permissions. It will still attempt to copy all the files again
[17:58] <Kikkoman> Aight, sounds like ext4 it is then. As long as i get it working as expected :)   My server is low profile / quite low end every way. So if going over to the alternative can prevent copying possibly large amounts of files every 15 minutes or so. It's a win/win for sure.
[18:00] <Kikkoman> Btw i'm happy that i found this place today. Have got answers to several questions already that bothered me.  Thanks to those involved.
[18:04] <jhutchins> leftyfb: There's an option to use a compatible comparison that ignores incompatible features.  It does make the operation more efficient.  It's also possible to eliminate some of the caching errors encountered in large transfers.
[18:04] <jhutchins> Kikkoman: If you're doing anything significant with rsync, it pays to red the directions.  I would have saved four hours on my last gig if I'd reviewed them.
[18:06] <morganDell22_04> (/me giggles at jhut..)
[18:06] <morganDell22_04> bye
[18:07] <Kikkoman> leftyfb You mean the manpage? :)
[18:09] <Kikkoman> Well, i don't know if i can say significant.  Actually i'm just more or less wanting to do backups to USB's of some important data.  And pick up a little bash while at it :)
[18:09] <Kikkoman> So more or less, i just have a loop in bash that runs at x intervals.
[18:14] <Kikkoman> Oh dang.. I just noted that it was actually jhutchins i was supposed to tag in the last question. But alright, nevermind. Sorry for the redundant tag leftyfb.
[18:15] <Kikkoman> D:  And because it's irc, i tagged you both again by mistake.  I will escort myself out.. lol
[18:16] <pycurious> what is a good way to snapshot and go back to snapshot on an ubuntu machine? I tried zfs - and there are too many issues on ubuntu20+zfs snapshotting. One of them being - reboots hang after reversing to a snapshot.
[18:16] <pycurious> have things improved on 22.04 with zfs?
[18:17] <ravage> the only ubuntu specific way is zsys. the actual snapshots never were a problem for me and always worked
[18:18] <ravage> it just that there is no cleanup of old snapshots that bothers me
[18:18] <ravage> so i disabled that for now
[18:19] <pycurious> ravage: I need to go back to snapshots regularly - and that is where it gets in trouble
[18:19] <pycurious> ravage: the actual snapshotting is not an issue - but what use it is if you can't go back to a snapshot cleanly
[18:19] <ravage> zsys and ZFS integration does not get much attention anymore really. so probably not the best choice for a new install
[18:20] <ravage> use a VM or maybe btrfs. but i never used that as a root filesystem ever
[18:20] <pycurious> ravage: any other suggestions to do snapshot and reversals?
[18:20] <ravage> i switched back to my old ways of doing regular backups
[18:20] <pycurious> ravage: I think I could live with backup and restore - as long as i can run it using a CLI interface, and automate that
[18:21] <ravage> my backups are done with borg. so im almost sure you could script that
[18:21] <ravage> mount the snapshot and rsync it back
[18:21] <pycurious> ravage: I cant have anything manual since i have to do it auto-weekly
[18:23] <pycurious> ravage: borg seems it can backup remotely. Not sure about restore with cli yet.
[18:23] <ravage> as i said you can mount any backup
[18:24] <ravage> what you do with tha data then is up to you
[18:24] <pycurious> ravage: i only have one OS drive - if i backup - can i restore to a particular date? (like a week ago)
[18:24] <ravage> if you made a backup on that date then yes sure
[18:25] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/p01bzdx1.txt
[18:26] <ravage> there is a command to prune backups. like keep one per week, month year and so on
[18:26] <ravage> (borg prune)
[18:53] <brkcore> im not able to open some pdf files. I have moved them from one laptop with ubuntu to another laptop ubuntu with encrypted usb
[18:53] <brkcore> "Operation not supported"
[18:54] <brkcore> "//file:///tmp/evince-10124/ ....
[18:54] <brkcore> why the destination is in /tmp?
[19:08] <jhutchins> Kikkoman: rdiff-backup tags itself as a cross-platform backup solution, you might want to look into that.  There's been a bit of activity updating it lately.
[19:09] <Kikkoman> jhutchins i will look in to that. Thank you.
[19:10] <jhutchins> brkcore: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[19:10] <Kikkoman> I suppose ext4 is needed either way? :)
[19:11] <jhutchins> Kikkoman: I don't think it's required.  I think most (all?) Linux-compatible filesystems can be used (hence "cross-platform").
[19:12] <brkcore> jhutchins, double clicked on a pdf file. It opens with Document Viwer with error message "Unable to open document "file:///tmp/evince-10124/document.V9s ... ". Operation not supported
[19:13] <jhutchins> brkcore: Where is the file you're trying to open?  What are it's properties/permissions?  What PDF support do you have installed?
[19:13] <jhutchins> brkcore: Does your user have permissions to create files in /tmp?
[19:17] <brkcore> the files are located in encrypted usb flash thats mounted. I am not sure what PDF support I have installed but I see any other pdf files
[19:19] <jhutchins> brkcore: I would suggest: Find your PDF viewer program.  Install one if you can't find it.  Run the program.  Use the "File/Open" dialog to locate your target pdf and try opening it.
[19:19] <brkcore> jhutchins, ok
[19:19] <alkisg> brkcore: what's the output of this command? file /path/to/your/file.pdf
[19:19] <alkisg> I.e. the filename with the command "file" in front of it
[19:19] <jhutchins> brkcore: You could also try copying the file to a local directory, make sure it's owned by a local user (same user name on different machine is not the same user), and try opening that.
[19:20] <brkcore> alkisg, no file or dir
[19:20] <brkcore> can i just open the file under root?
[19:20] <Habbie> jhutchins, i'm aware
[19:20] <brkcore> or with nautilus with sudo
[19:21] <alkisg> brkcore: can you paste the exact command that you used?
[19:21] <brkcore> when i try that the file just loading, but never load
[19:21] <brkcore> alkisg, one mom
[19:23] <brkcore> but the file is locate in /admin I dont understand that
[19:24] <brkcore> cant copy or move to the drive because of permission denied
[19:25] <alkisg> You have a directory named /admin ? That's very strange, how are you mounting that?
[19:27] <jhutchins> Remember that USB drives mount read-only by default.
[19:28] <brkcore> how do i open a pdf file from the terminal
[19:28] <brkcore> im with root now and cd to the files
[19:28] <jhutchins> brkcore: You need an application that can read it.
[19:28] <alkisg> Then try `file yourfile.pdf`
[19:29] <jhutchins> brkcore: It's usually <application> <path to file> [options]
[19:29] <brkcore> tried nothing opens no output
[19:29] <alkisg> If it says it's a pdf file, THEN you're sure you have no permission problems and no data corruption problems
[19:29] <alkisg> Then you can copy it elsewhere to e.g. /tmp so that the plain users can see it
[19:30] <brkcore> so i dont have a pdf reader, thats odd how do i see any other pdf file but nly these ones in this usb flash cant
[19:30] <jhutchins> brkcore: There may be one built in to evince.
[19:31] <jhutchins> brkcore: On a wild chance, you could try "xdg-open <path to file>"
[19:31] <jhutchins> brkcore: Root proably can't open a graphical program though.
[19:32] <Kikkoman> brkcore what did you try at 22:29:43? as in what command ?
[19:33] <brkcore> Kikkoman, media/user/eeb74b19-c7b4-441a-8030-27066568f2a8/lost+found/file
[19:35] <Kikkoman> brkcore The whole command please.
[19:35] <yrdsb> i dont know what to choose for ubuntu should i use lts or interim
[19:35] <yrdsb> i have not used ubuntu for a while
[19:35] <yrdsb> and i dont know which one is stable
[19:36] <brkcore> Kikkoman, file /media/user/eeb74b19-c7b4-441a-8030-27066568f2a8/lost+found/file
[19:36] <Kikkoman> brkcore what you sent is a path.
[19:37] <yrdsb> kikkoman which one you recommend since i like stabillty
[19:37] <yrdsb> and i dont want ubuntu to be unstable
[19:37] <yrdsb> lts or interim
[19:37] <alkisg> brkcore: in lost+found?! That's where the corrupted files go. And it doesn't even have a .pdf extension
[19:38] <brkcore> Kikkoman, thats what they asked me to type. if you ask me how do I get the problem - simply clicking on the file and with the given "operation not supported"
[19:38] <ravage> yrdsb, LTS
[19:38] <yrdsb> ok bye i have no more question
[19:39] <brkcore> alkisg, they do have extention.pdf
[19:39] <alkisg> brkcore: the lost+found folder is where the operating system places corrupted files
[19:39] <alkisg> Why are your files in there?
[19:39] <brkcore> alkisg, is that so? I was thinking this is the encrypted folder of the usb flash
[19:40] <jhutchins> brkcore: Most *nix applications don't care about the extensions.  Instead, there is a "magic word" at the beginning of the file that identifies the type.
[19:40] <brkcore> jhutchins, I will try adobe now
[19:40] <alkisg> Yes, lost+found isn't encrypted, it's corrupted. Files or part of files (usually broken parts) that are recovered when the file system gets corrupted and orphaned inodes are claimed
[19:41] <brkcore> alkisg, thats very bad. If i move them back to the original OS, would that fix the corrupted files?
[19:41] <alkisg> So with the "file /media/user/eeb74b19-c7b4-441a-8030-27066568f2a8/lost+found/your-filename-goes-here.pdf" command you'd see if they are actual pdf files or just corrupted data
[19:42] <alkisg> No
[19:42] <alkisg> You can also copy them with e.g. `sudo cp  /media/user/eeb74b19-c7b4-441a-8030-27066568f2a8/lost+found/your-filename-goes-here.pdf /tmp/` and then try to open them from the /tmp folder where the user has permissions
[19:42] <brkcore> alkisg, yes it returns no such file
[19:43] <alkisg> (to be able to use gui apps)
[19:43] <brkcore> ok will try to move them to tmp
[19:43] <alkisg> brkcore: we can only help you if you paste the full command and output here
[19:43] <alkisg> You're mistyping something
[19:44] <brkcore> yes I do actually. one moment
[19:46] <brkcore> alkisg, can I pm please?
[19:47] <alkisg> OK
[19:49] <morgan-u2> how do I save a screenshot. This is cumbersom, it is in the clipboard which I dont have a history of. I need to take 9 images and I am in the middle of a zoom session.
[20:09] <zzzeee> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/screen-shot-record.html
[20:11] <jhutchins> zzzeee: And?
[20:11] <jhutchins> zzzeee: N'mind, lag.
[20:11] <zzzeee> er, that was in response to morgan-u2 re: how to save a screenshot
[20:11] <zzzeee> har okay
[20:12] <alkisg> brkcore: to mention the solution to the channel: sudo mv /media/mko/eeb74b19-c7b4-441a-8030-27066568f2a8/lost+found/DIR /media/mko/eeb74b19-c7b4-441a-8030-27066568f2a8/DIR
[20:12] <alkisg> This command moved DIR outside of lost+found, so that brkcore could then access it as a user
[20:13] <brkcore> thanks, didn know that
[20:13] <brkcore> :)
[20:19] <Kikkoman> Is format from Nautilus somehow broken on Distro's above 20.x or have i missed something essential?  I remember experiencing the same on my Toughbook too, with version 20.something.  Toggling format from Nautilus takes no action. At least on usb's.
[20:21] <brutex> why update-grub on 22.10 does not find fedora os, it find all other systems like gentoo, windows, opensuse, etc.
[20:21] <Kikkoman> And in disks, i don't see the option to format to ext3 or 4.
[20:22] <Kikkoman> Blaahh disregard. Now it's right there, in front of my nose. In disks that is.
[20:22] <Kikkoman> Still curious about why toggling format from Nautilus is a fruit though.
[20:23] <web> Hi, Guys
[20:46] <jpmh> I have a new 22.04 installation - I did chose minimal - I see no BLUETOOTH options in the settings - what do I need to add
[21:02] <Kikkoman> @jp
[21:06] <rrqu> can anybody answer an extremely basic html question for me?>
[21:07] <leftyfb> rrqu: /join #html
[21:12] <jpmh> this is not the html channel
[21:13] <x_x> they left
[21:13] <x_x> jpmh: `apt install bluetooth` probably
[21:15] <jpmh> x_x: that install did not add it to the panel or settings - although it did install
[21:15] <jpmh> x_x: maybe I need to reboot
[21:15] <x_x> logout/login
[21:15] <jpmh> I'll try that
[21:18] <jpmh> x_x: no - still not showing as a setting
[21:26] <jhutchins> Kikkoman: Remember that USBs are mounted owned by root, read only.  Your GUI is not root (or your system would soon be broken).
[21:28] <jhutchins> !bluetooth
[21:32] <Kikkoman> jhutchins I figured that might be the case. But would it be reason enough, to disable listing format in non root Nautilus sessions then ? :)
[21:44] <jhutchins> Kikkoman: Yeah, format is a root function, not to be trifled with by ordinary users.
[21:44] <jhutchins> su -;mkfs -t ext3;exit
[21:45] <jhutchins> Or more likely -t vfat.
[21:49] <Dragon1964> Good evening, whats going on here
[21:54] <Dragon1964> installed 22.10 seems OK so far
[22:05] <xrandr> Hello, I just went to check updates on my server, but I saw this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:05] <xrandr>  grub-efi-amd64-signed : Depends: grub-efi-amd64-bin (= 2.06-2ubuntu7) but 2.06-2ubuntu10 is to be installed
[22:05] <xrandr> Do I just need to reboot?
[22:06] <EriC^^> xrandr: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed grub-efi-amd64-bin
[22:07] <EriC^^> which ubuntu version btw?
[22:12] <xrandr> 22.04.1 LTS
[22:12] <EriC^^> !info grub-efi-amd64-bin jammy
[22:13] <x_x> xrandr: your sources.list are messed up or you didn't run apt-update
[22:13] <_enigma9o7_> dragon1964: how do nethack-qt and neofetch work for you?
[22:13] <EriC^^> xrandr: try to run the command above, maybe -signed is still old and depends on the older version
[22:13] <xrandr> EriC^^: i just ran it, it is installing
[22:14] <xrandr> Thank you!
[22:21] <ytivarg> hi
[22:21] <lamp140> Hi
[22:26] <ytivarg> I have an error with updating dbx 217 ... is it serious?
[22:32] <Dragon1964> whats the exact wording of the message?
[22:32] <Dragon1964> what were you doing when the error occured?
[22:33] <ytivarg> update shim and grub packages before the update can be deployed
[22:34] <Dragon1964> its possible that that was in use when you tried to do the update. I would repeat the update
[22:34] <Dragon1964> it may be possible you need a reboot first
[22:36] <ytivarg> i try 100 times:)  i reboot after and later with secure boot enable and disabled
[22:38] <Dragon1964> can you copy paste the entire error? maybe ther eis something there im missing
[22:40] <ytivarg> a long moment please ... not copy/paste in this window
[22:40] <Dragon1964> kk
[22:41] <_enigma9o7_> I guess the first one doesnt start, and the second one leaves the cursor the wrong place, right dragon1964?
[22:42] <Dragon1964> not sure
[22:43] <Dragon1964> I know from experience that paraphrasing an error message is not useful, you know?
[22:44] <Dragon1964> I know people mean well but the devil is in the details
[22:47] <ytivarg> Dragon1964  impossibile aggiornare "aggiornamento configurazione secure boot dbx": Blocked executable in the ESP, ensure grub and shim are up to date: /boot/efi/EFI/Debian/shimx64.efi Authenticode checksum [.......................] is present in dbx
[22:48] <Dragon1964> Ok, try sudo apt clean
[22:48] <Dragon1964> the sudo apt -f install
[22:48] <Dragon1964> then sudo apt update
[22:48] <Dragon1964> andlet me know what you get
[22:48] <ytivarg> ok re_try this command
[22:48] <leftyfb> ytivarg: what is dbx?
[22:48] <ytivarg> leftyfb ..... booooh XD
[22:49] <leftyfb> ytivarg: what is dbx?
[22:49] <Dragon1964> DBX (aka, 'forbidden signature database' or 'signature database blacklist'): contains a set of explicitly untrusted keys and binary hashes. Any application or driver signed by these keys or matching these hashes will be blocked from execution.
[22:49] <leftyfb> ytivarg: what does dbx have to do with your GRUB?
[22:49] <Dragon1964> try those commands above, it sounds like it is complaining that you cant update because other packages need to be at a higher version
[22:50] <leftyfb> "<ytivarg> I have an error with updating dbx 217 ... is it serious?"
[22:50] <Dragon1964> grib has to do with booting the system in different modes. DBX is a database that gets updates when secure boot is enabled
[22:51] <Dragon1964> it contains driver signatures
[22:51] <Dragon1964> required for booting
[22:51] <ytivarg> Dragon1964 your 3 commands are ok
[22:51] <Dragon1964> no erros?
[22:51] <ytivarg> a moment re_try the update
[22:52] <x_x> why does it say 'Debian' in the path?
[22:53] <Dragon1964> because ubuntu is based on debian
[22:53] <x_x> either it would be 'debian' or 'ubuntu', both of which provide the signed versions of the shim
[22:53] <x_x> hmm, actually 'Debian' is fine because it's fat32
[22:53] <x_x> still weird though
[22:54] <Dragon1964> did it work?
[22:56] <ytivarg> Dragon1964 i'm on ubuntu 20.04 ... in Ubuntu Software = error_problem ... in Software = error_problem with a window an update has been installed. a reboot is required for it to take effect ,,, but as before if I reboot this update is still there and I'm back in the loop :)
[22:57] <Dragon1964> hmm not sure then, this is an odd one. Does the software manager show broken packages?
[22:59] <Dragon1964> if the software manager is broken, but command line is OK, I would ignore the software manager
[22:59] <Dragon1964> it may not be representing truth in your case
[22:59] <Dragon1964> Its possible its the cause ofyour confusion. you did an update on the command line and it came up OK, I wouldnt worry about it
[23:00] <Dragon1964> Is your system working OK otherwise?
[23:02] <ytivarg> Dragon1964 there is no command to update shim? sorry i don't even know what shim is ... yes in fact it is not that I give a damn more than ... the system is ok
[23:03] <Kikkoman> What are transfer rates for usb sticks usually at?
[23:03] <oerheks> Kikkoman, there is no general usual..
[23:04] <Dragon1964> @ytivarg you already did that with sudo apt update
[23:04] <Dragon1964> its as simple as that, if it needed updated it would have been updated
[23:05] <Dragon1964> why are you concerned with shim? What problem are you trying to resolve?
[23:06] <ytivarg> Dragon1964     https://askubuntu.com/questions/1432494/trouble-ubuntu-update-firmware-uefi-dbx-217
[23:06] <oerheks> sudo fwupdmgr refresh && sudo fwupdmgr get-updates ' might fix that update issue
[23:07] <oerheks> but you are running debian, i could be wrong
[23:10] <ytivarg> Dragon1964 i,m on dual boot with win 10 ... my boot efi is ok ... update and upgrade are ok .... oerheks your command returns the usual error_problem but thanks
[23:17] <Dragon1964> you could try uninstalling shim completely and reinstalling
[23:17] <Dragon1964> sudo apt purge shim
[23:17] <Dragon1964> sudo apt install shim
[23:18] <Dragon1964> and reboot
[23:20] <ytivarg> ok try ... see you later
[23:23] <ytivarg> whattttt :)  shim is not installed ??? I proceed to install it without fear?
[23:23] <Dragon1964> sure
[23:23] <Dragon1964> go for it
[23:25] <ytivarg> ok go
[23:26] <ytivarg> yeah installed ... reboot and try