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[00:24]  * xrandr sighs
[00:24] <xrandr> Servers take so long to reboot....
[00:25] <x_x> because they want you to buy two of them to have failover
[00:25] <x_x> like, what does my supermicro board even do during those 2 minute it waits at the bios screen
[00:25] <xrandr> exactly
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[00:43] <pycurious> I'm trying to use timeshift to create a snapshot, and can't figure out how to create the snapshot on another drive. Any ideas?
[00:47] <x_x> pycurious: impossible
[00:53] <pycurious> x_x: ?
[00:54] <x_x> pycurious: timeshift does either btrfs snapshots or hardlinks using rsync
[00:54] <x_x> those can't be done across drives
[00:54] <x_x> at best you can create the snapshot on the same drive and then copy it to another drive
[00:57] <brkcore> x_x, im doing it on flash drive even its encrypted
[00:57] <x_x> I guess it can be done using the rsync method
[00:58] <brkcore> I am not sure as I preinstalled, but the timeshift backups and files are still in my usb drive
[01:04] <pycurious> x_x: why keep backups on the same drive - that doesnt make sense to me.
[01:05] <x_x> pycurious: timeshift is not really the greatest backup solution
[01:05] <x_x> it can be a useful snapshot solution
[01:05] <x_x> but even then there are more suitable options like snapper
[01:08] <pycurious> x_x: have you tried snapper on ubuntu?
[01:08] <x_x> I haven't
[01:09] <pycurious> for snapshots, any other tools i should look at?
[01:10] <x_x> sadly there are too many different tools to look at
[01:11] <arraybolt3> pycurious: I only snapshot my user files, not my core system. For that I use BackInTime.
[01:12] <arraybolt3> It should be able to save to an external drive, though I've not tried it yet.
[01:14] <ohdearheavins> Hi, I updated from 22.04 to 22.10 yesterday, and also (sorta accidentally did) 'sudo apt install fuse' to get an AppImage app to work, and after restarting I can't get to the lockscreen. Basically stays in the boot messages, accepts keyboard input, but couldn't switch to another tty. About to switch keyboards to see if something helps, but has
[01:14] <ohdearheavins> anyone else experienced upgrade issues?
[01:23] <ohdearheavins40> (correction: I can get into another tty with a different keyboard)
[01:46] <Umeaboy> Hi! There is one translation that I've fixed, but can't upload it. Where do I upload it?
[01:54] <krytarik> Umeaboy: On what package?
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[01:56] <Umeaboy> krytarik: boot-repair
[01:56] <Umeaboy> https://translations.launchpad.net/boot-repair/trunk/+pots/boot-sav/sv/+translate shows no link to upload the translation.
[01:56] <Umeaboy> And YES I'm Seedish.
[01:56] <Umeaboy> Swedish
[02:00] <krytarik> Well, you'd enter the (new) suggestion and submit it there.
[02:12] <Umeaboy> krytarik: What's wrong with updating by uploading? :)
[02:12] <Umeaboy> I really don't like how the webui is built. The filtering is bad.
[02:43] <ohdearheavins> ok, on 22.10 my issue (not getting to lockscreen) is seemingly "gdm: gdmsession: no session desktop files installed, aborting..."
[02:44] <ohdearheavins> updated yesterday from 22.04, where things generally worked fine (been using ubuntu for over a year on this device since 21.04) - first time I've ever had to deal with not getting to the lockscreen
[02:45] <cnnx> hi I need to build a vps frmo linode and install ssl from any commercial provider, which version of ubuntu should i use for this purpose?
[02:46] <oerheks> what ubuntu versions does linode offer?
[02:47] <oerheks> 22.04 lts preferrably
[02:47] <cnnx> ok
[02:47] <cnnx> they have 18
[02:47] <cnnx> 22.04
[02:47] <cnnx> and 22.04 LTS
[02:47] <cnnx> lts is better?
[02:47] <cnnx> long term support?
[02:47] <oerheks> yes, stable
[02:48] <cnnx> ill rebuilt the machine since i messed up a lot of files getting ssl to work
[02:48] <cnnx> wish they had an image with it installede
[02:48] <oerheks> we are waiting for the next ssl update, 1nov
[02:48] <oerheks> https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2022-October/000238.html
[02:48] <cnnx> ok
[02:48] <oerheks> no details yet..
[02:49] <cnnx> who should i go with
[02:49] <cnnx> i tried comodo and namecheap all day
[02:49] <cnnx> and got refunds
[02:49] <cnnx> is rapidssl any better?
[02:49] <oerheks> choice of provider is beyond the scope of this channel
[02:50] <cnnx> ok
[02:56] <ohdearheavins> solved my issue after a day of worrying, followed uninstalling/reinstalling gdm. https://askubuntu.com/a/1013870 . May file an issue or write out my experience somewhere - really wasn't expecting downtime.
[03:53] <regedit> whats that bootable software to thoroughly shred a disk? forgot what it's called...
[03:54] <arraybolt3> DBAN?
[03:54] <regedit> dban yes! thx
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[05:58] <walkenx> hello VIA
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[08:27] <murmel> hresco3: this is a configuration error, edit /ec/squid-deb-proxy/mirror-dstdomain.acl.d/01-default to allow your mirror
[08:27] <murmel> reload config
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[08:31] <hresco3> I installed squid-deb-proxy, but am now seeing these issues.  Any thoughts on how it is I might resolve this would be appreciated.
[08:31] <murmel> hresco3: can you see what I posted?
[08:31] <hresco3> https://gist.github.com/hesco/db31446bf3c74618d550819ce05bae76
[08:32] <hresco3> yes, thanks.  posting this to provide context to your anticipatory response.
[08:32] <hresco3> going to go study your thoughts now.
[08:43] <alkisg> Can anyone see a way to set a gpt partition PARTUUID using parted? I can find it in fdisk and gdisk, but not in parted...
[08:50] <hresco3> thank you, murmel++.  that did the trick!
[08:51] <alkisg> Ah that ability was introduced in parted 3.5 :/
[08:51] <murmel> !info parted jammy
[08:51] <ubottu> parted (3.4-2build1, jammy): disk partition manipulator. In component main, is standard. Built by parted. Size 47 kB / 167 kB
[08:52] <murmel> hresco3: yw :)
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[11:06] <ytivarg> hi
[11:29] <ytivarg> Dragon1964 x_x oerheks ... resolve my dbx 217 error_problem ... sudo rm /boot/efi/EFI/Debian/shimx64.efi ... I followed this guide:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1429678/impossible-to-update-uefi-dbx ... thanks for your help and happy Sunday to all ... XD
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[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:11] <respawn> hi
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[14:52] <bvargo> i installed 22.11 on a partition separate from my 22.04 partition and os-probber and update-grub fail to add it to the boot menu
[14:55] <iconoclasthero> i installed 22.11 on a partition separate from my 22.04 partition and os-probber and update-grub fail to add it to the boot menu...
[14:56] <iconoclasthero> how can i get 22.04 back into the grub menu upon boot.
[15:07] <Jeremy31> iconoclasthero: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
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[15:36] <jhutchins> Interesting.  There was a time when the installer (I think it was Ubuntu's) would always load the new install on first reboot.  This made a lot of sense, since that's probably what you want when you reboot a new install.  On first boot it would set up the standard grub multi-boot menu, so everything was back to normal.
[15:36] <jhutchins> Somebody decided this was a little bit too "big brother", especially since it wasn't well documented, and (as far as I know) it went away.
[15:37] <jhutchins> (Lots of paniced posts about "oh noes, linux killed my windows!!!)
[15:40] <jhutchins> So this "security fix" postulates that someone can install a rogue OS on your computer, but that they need you to boot into this install manually, possibly even selecting it from the grub menu.
[15:41] <jhutchins> Sounds pretty stupid to me.
[15:41] <backthen> Is this a ram error? :  squashfs error squashfs_read_data failed to read block
[15:42] <Jeremy31> I thought it was some security issue, I think it will find any OS that uses the EFI System Partition for boot files
[15:42] <tomreyn> backthen: most of the time you'll see this on an incorrectly written installer
[15:42] <x_x> backthen: is that a live cd?
[15:43] <backthen> No, it's the actual drive, after I used live USB to to fsck the drive
[15:46] <x_x> so you are in a livecd environment?
[15:47] <jhutchins> Jeremy31: OS Prober is disabled by default for "security".  Normally it will detect other bootable installations on the system.
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[16:11] <wiza> hello
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[16:14] <backthen> x_x: no, it's an actual boot right now
[16:23]  * alkisg wonders if os-prober scans inside all the loop devices that snap creates for open apps, and they disabled it to avoid sideeffects...
[16:25] <tomreyn> backthen: do you have a squashfs active, though? the "mount" command would say
[16:27] <tomreyn> about os-prober, i'm pretty sure the grub devs were unhappy about how it reads data of and tries to detect potential OS installations. which is surely hard to get right without introducing security bugs.
[16:28] <backthen> oh wow I followed this simple trick and the problem disappeared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stsv6cPdlXE
[16:30] <tomreyn> if you're dual booting with windows, you need to reconfigure windows to allow other OSes to co-exist with it.
[16:31] <tomreyn> that is configuring it to shut down in a sane way
[16:31] <tomreyn> and not expecting the hardware clock to be in local time.
[16:32] <backthen> no not dual booting. The series of problem I had was due to Ubuntu wanting to install upgrades and asks to reboot. The reboot took too long and I manually shut the machine down
[16:32] <tomreyn> oh, contextual info!
[16:34] <backthen> I thought it was ok because the machine was stuck on the HP logo for a long time
[16:35] <tomreyn> it's not understandable to me why you'd see squashfs errors (presumely, on a normal boot from the installed disk) with no squashfs present, though.
[16:36] <tomreyn> these error messages could occur after installation around the time you're asking to remove the usb stick, or after reboot, if you did not remove the usb stick
[16:37] <tomreyn> the video you posted does seem to be related to usb booting
[16:38] <tomreyn> (also to dual-boot)
[16:38] <backthen> The OP of the video has dual boot. I do not.
[16:39] <tomreyn> ok :)
[16:39] <backthen> Oh wells I'm moving on. Now the problem is WIndows can't see the Ubuntu machines, even though the Ubuntu machines can see each other
[16:40] <tomreyn> what windows?
[16:40] <arraybolt3> On other computers, most likely. Networking related?
[16:41] <backthen> Sorry different problem now. My Win10 machine can't see my two Ubuntu18 machines.
[16:41] <backthen> turned on network sharing for all three as far as I know
[16:42] <arraybolt3> Network sharing? Could you be more specific? (Sorry, I don't know of a "network sharing" feature in either.)
[16:43] <Jeremy31> Network discovery?
[16:44] <backthen> For Ubuntu, I choose my documents folder and in  Local Network Share, I choose Share this folder. Then Ubuntu installs Samba and etc.
[16:45] <backthen> I'd think with this Win10 should see the Ubuntu machine.
[16:51] <backthen> The Ubuntu machines can see each other's files. Can't preview the images thumbs though. Wish that were possible
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[16:52] <tomreyn> i'd expect that to be disabled by default for security reasons. there may be a way to override this.
[16:54] <backthen> hmm, since the destination machine already allows its entire Documents folder be shared, I'd think there would be no issue sharing the thumbs
[16:55] <tomreyn> i guess it'd be more of whether the client would want to interpret such data, as provided by a different system.
[16:55] <tomreyn> it's just a theory, though, there can be other reasons
[16:56] <tomreyn> did you enable guest access when sharing a folder in ubuntu?
[16:57] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1155675/i-cannot-see-a-ubuntu-pc-in-my-windows-10-network may be the issue youwere referring to
[16:57] <backthen> yes I did
[16:58] <tomreyn> have you considered upgrading your ubuntu's? 18.04 LTS is pretty dated already, and there could be incompatibilities with recent windows 10 builds
[17:01] <backthen> There is this software I use that doesn't work beyond 18. otherwise I would
[17:17] <backthen> interesting, not just my Mac can see Ubuntu, and it can preview the pictures
[17:22] <Jeremy31> Might be the workgroup name or password on Windows
[17:25] <backthen> the strange thing is the Win10 machine can see printers, media devices. Just not other computers
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[18:24] <bm> Hello. I'm getting this weird display bug on Ubuntu 20.04 and 12th gen Intel Core integrated graphics. It seems to happen solely when displaying and scrolling websites with lots of images: https://streamable.com/fmmie8
[18:24] <bm> Is there some kernel commandline parameter I need to put to get rid of this stuff?
[18:26] <Jeremy31> bm with 12th gen you should try 22.04
[18:27] <bm> Jeremy31: currently I'm testing 22.04 on another machine. Don't know when I'll switch.
[18:27] <leftyfb> bm: how long have you been having this issue?
[18:28] <bm> leftyfb: since I got the machine, about half a year
[18:28] <leftyfb> bm: you should upgrade to 22.04
[18:29] <bm> leftyfb: may I ask if this is a known issue?
[18:29] <Jeremy31> bm, what kernel?
[18:30] <bm> Jeremy31: 5.13.0-44-generic
[18:31] <Jeremy31> I think 5.13 is EOL now
[18:33] <bm> I actually just installed Ubuntu 22.04 yesterday on another machine with Intel integrated graphics and I had some other bug with display
[18:33] <bm> Not 12th gen but somewhat older
[18:33] <bm> I found some fix involving commandline parameters and it worked, but the bug report for this particular issue is recent
[18:36] <bm> So there's no guarantee something else won't get messed up if I install the latest version, and 20.04 is supposed to be LTS after all.
[18:36] <rbox> which means old and poor support for new hardware
[18:36] <oerheks> bm how did you get 5.13? that could be your issue.
[18:37] <bm> oerheks: not sure how to answer you?
[18:38] <oerheks> !find linux-image jammy
[18:38] <ubottu> Found: linux-image-5.15.0-1002-gke, linux-image-5.15.0-1002-ibm, linux-image-5.15.0-1002-oracle, linux-image-5.15.0-1003-azure, linux-image-5.15.0-1003-gcp, linux-image-5.15.0-1004-aws, linux-image-5.15.0-1004-intel-iotg, linux-image-5.15.0-1004-kvm, linux-image-5.15.0-24-lowlatency, linux-image-5.15.0-25-generic and 325 others <https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=jammy&section=all>
[18:38] <bm> oerheks: this is 20.04
[18:39] <oerheks> do a proper upgrade, apt dist-upgrade and boot in the latest kernel?
[18:39] <oerheks> oh, i thought you upgraded already
[18:39] <bm> oerheks: I mean, haven't done a dist-upgrade for a month or two, yes.
[18:46] <bm> You know, I want a few months before trying a new Ubuntu. I install it 6 months later and the first thing I see is "Desktop" entry missing from Nautilus for some reason
[18:46] <bm> Does not instil confidence for some reason :)
[18:47] <x_x> bm: you'd be better served by using LTS releases then
[18:47] <x_x> all the non-LTS releases are basically beta versions
[18:47] <bm> x_x: 22.04 is an LTS release isn't it
[18:47] <x_x> yeah
[18:47] <bm> x_x: that's why I want a long time before installing new Ubuntu, to let the team polish out the bugs
[18:48] <bm> And this is a bug that literally everyone sees every time they open file manager
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[19:01] <oerheks> !info linux-oem-20.04 focal
[19:01] <ubottu> linux-oem-20.04 (5.14.0.1054.52, focal): Complete OEM Linux kernel and headers. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta-oem-5.14. Size 2 kB / 10 kB. (Only available for amd64.)
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[19:21] <jhutchins> Does Ubuntu enable SMB networking or CIFS file sharing by default?
[19:21] <bougyman> No.
[19:21] <jhutchins> bougyman: Oh good.
[19:22] <bougyman> You have to install cifs-utils and samba to get that.
[19:22] <jhutchins> bougyman: As it should be.
[19:22] <bougyman> +1
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[19:50] <ham> join #debian
[20:05] <ogra> jhutchins, bougyman, nautilus-share is installed by default in Ubuntu Desktop ... that allows sharing user owned dirs (ie. everything under $HOME) via samba without having to install ayextra bts
[20:05] <ogra> *any extra bits
[20:07] <ogra> (you just right-click and pick "share this folder on local network")
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[20:24] <jhutchins> Couldn't possibly be any security problems there.
[20:24] <jhutchins> After all, we don't need those six-figure network engineers, they're just goldbrickers.
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[20:45] <backthen> Hmm, restarting my ubuntu machine it's stuck at the HP logo again
[20:46] <backthen> if I force reboot, it'll likely get the squashfs error earlier
[20:47] <bprompt> backthen: "restarting my ubuntu machine it's stuck at the HP logo"   <--- is that referring to the bootable USB iso?
[20:48] <backthen> bprompt: no, it's referring to booting with a real hard drive
[20:51] <bprompt> backthen: how about holding down the "shift" key while booting to get to the Grub menu?   you could try "e" diting the boot line and remove a few arguments, for one remove "nosplash" so you can see where it's getting choking
[20:52] <bprompt> backthen: from the Grub menu you could also give a shot at the "recovery mode" and maybe run an "fsck"
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[21:23] <jpmh> I installed 22.04 and chose minimal - now I do not see on the settings any commands for bluetooth - how do I enable them?
[21:24] <toddc> jpmh: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/bluez/install-configure/install
[21:24] <backthen> bprompt: I can get to a prompt that displays (initramfs). And error prompt is 'UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY.
[21:25] <backthen> So I'm back to my situation this morning, where I proceeded to run fsck via a liveUSB
[21:25] <jpmh> toddc: heading there now  - TY
[21:27] <jpmh> toddc: I did the install - all appeared good - yet I still do not see it - do I need to reboot
[21:28] <jpmh> going to re-boot in caase that matters - BRB
[21:29] <toddc> jpmh: not sure after the minimal install but you should be able to command line
[21:29] <Jeremy31> jpmh: in terminal try> bluetoothctl
[21:30] <jpmh> toddc: so, as I say, the install appeared to work, but I stil do not see bluetooth as an option in settings - what am I missing?  And I did reboot
[21:32] <jpmh> Jeremy31: bluetoothctl is there - and seems to work - issue is that I want to connect bluetooth speakers and don't know how to do it, can I do it with bluetoothctl
[21:32] <EriC^^> jpmh: maybe install indicator-bluetooth
[21:34] <jpmh> EriC^^:  doing that now - TY - will report back when done
[21:39] <jpmh> EriC^^: that did mot help
[21:40] <Jeremy31> jpmh: install blueman
[21:42] <jpmh> Jeremy31: YES- TY - now to experiment - and to all others that made suggestions - TY too!
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[21:56] <jpmh> I am now able to control my bluetooth - the one thing that is ANNOYING is that when I connect I get a "notification" popup, how do I stop that
[21:58] <Jeremy31> jpmh: search programs for notification settings
[21:58] <jpmh> please ignore previous question - I disabled it in notoification options
[21:59] <jhutchins> backthen: This is an encrypted install, isn't it?
[22:00] <backthen> jhutchins: nope, it's run of the mill home install I've used for a while now. The error happened because of today's restart after generic Ubuntu updates
[22:07] <jhutchins> backthen: What's happening is that the EFI/BIOS is having trouble finding a bootable chain of data.  If you can get to the initfs, that suggests it is finding the device that has /boot on it, but not finding the rest of the OS.
[22:07] <jhutchins> backthen: There are a lot of facts pointing to a disk failure here.
[22:08] <jhutchins> The fact that you fixed it, but then it reverted strongly suggests that the failure is continuing and progressing.
[22:10] <backthen> jhutchins: ok sounds like it's not a disk failure that can be fixed with software. No surprise as this machine is old. The liveUSB can see the hard disk. The disk's Document folder (and probably more) are read only.
[22:11] <jhutchins> backthen: Yeah, sure, just install nosmoke.exe, you'll be fine.
[22:12] <backthen> I have no important data there. Just thinking about nuking it and reinstall at this point
[22:17] <backthen> If I just copy my productivity software to a liveUSB, can I work everyday on the liveUSB efficiently?
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[23:01] <Guest7490> Saluti hai presenti
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[23:57] <LionFish401> What exact information does my WIFI Router see when I connect to it? My Hostname, and my WIFI Card MAC address, right? What else?