[04:35] <dasig> hi
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[10:22] <iomari891> greetings, I just saw this strange message in my terminal "Failed to connect to a Wayland server" when I'm not running wayland.
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[11:04] <Guest73> Hi folks, quick question: is the LTS life cycle of Kubuntu the same as for Ubuntu? (So 5 years support). Couldn't find it easily on the website, so I thought I might get an answer here =)
 I think it is 5 years although Ubuntu-Mate is 3 years so it may depend on the developers and what they commit to.
 "Hi folks, quick question: is the..." <- 3 years
[11:11] <Guest73> Thanks a lot!
 https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
 Kubuntu 22.04 supported with security and maintenance updates, until April 2025.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 Support lifespan
 Kubuntu 22.04 will be supported for 3 years.
 For anyone wondering - I installed kwin-bismuth on Kubuntu - fabulous tiling window manager. sudo apt install kwin-bismuth FYI
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 is there any good whatsapp program well equiped with QT platform?
 Used it but when I clear up my browse history logs me out everywhere (re @lord chencho: what's wrong with whatsapp web? :- º)
[14:31] <iomari891> I still can't upgrade 22.04 to 22.10. This is frustrating. After updating->upgrading->dist-upgrade, I still get "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading". What gives?
[14:31] <iomari891> I've been trying since 10/20.
[14:47] <blaze> apt list --upgradable
[15:02] <tomreyn> iomari891: according to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release release upgrades from 22.04 to 22.10 are enabled. so it will be due to the local system state. the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ may provide more information on what causes the release upgrade to be cancelled.
[16:41] <iomari891> tomreyn: Thanks. Files and folders in /var/log/dist-upgrade are all very old. Any idea why there are not up to date?
[16:42] <tomreyn> iomari891: no. but i have very little information to work with.
[16:43] <iomari891> will deleting the contents help?
[16:43] <tomreyn> no
[16:46] <alkisg> iomari891: blaze requested your output of `apt list --upgradable`; or send us the output of `apt full-upgrade`; without it, we can't help you
[16:47] <tomreyn> iomari891: what you can do is capture and share the full output, as well as these commands, as you run them: apt policy; apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'; sudo apt update && sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt -f install && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:50] <iomari891> ok thanks, give me a minute  ..
[17:14]  * tomreyn falls asleep
[17:16] <tomreyn> I expect that in about three days, we'll see iomari891 post this here: "I still can't upgrade 22.04 to 22.10. This is frustrating. After updating->upgrading->dist-upgrade, I still get 'Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading'. What gives?"
[17:26] <alkisg> Yeh I think I've seen that about 20 times now, and equal times they asked for information but wasn't provided
[17:31] <tomreyn> same
[17:35] <Mrokii> mmikowski: Hm, okay, thanks. But Kalendar never worked for me, even before I had mysql-server installed. I only tried that as it was one of the suggested solutions for possible problems.
[17:37] <iomari891> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/TgnYDtHSBb/plain/
[17:38] <iomari891> sorry, guys. My work keeps me very busy and not at my laptop at times.
[17:38] <RikMills> Mrokii: I installed kalendar in a clean 22.10 install, and it worked out of the box. FYI, it does require a mysql server, but mariadb is what the KDE devs tend to test it with
[17:42] <alkisg> iomari891: what happens if you run: apt install libheif1
[17:45] <Mrokii> RikMills: Thanks. It may just be a problem when trying to run it from years old installation that just got upgraded all the time. I'll see if I have mariadb installed. Thanks.
[17:45] <tomreyn> that's a wild mix of incompatible package sources :-(
[17:46] <tomreyn> and lots of installed packages without an upgrade path
[17:46] <alkisg> tomreyn: do you know when packages are "held back" due to phased updates, if do-release-upgrade then complains it can't upgrade because there are held packages?
[17:47] <tomreyn> alkisg: i would not know. but that's not the (main) issue here.
[17:47] <alkisg> Eh, it's the one they complain about :D
[17:47] <tomreyn> interesting question, though, hopefully someone thought about it
[17:48] <tomreyn> not exactly. the message provided by iomari891 was "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading" - and supposedly (untold) this is from do-release-upgrade
[17:49] <alkisg> ...which I believe is due to libheif1 currently
[17:49] <iomari891> alkisg: gives an error. 1 sec ....
[17:49] <tomreyn> that may be so, yes.
[17:49] <iomari891> alkisg: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:49] <iomari891>  libheif1 : Depends: libdav1d6 (>= 0.1.0) but it is not installable
[17:49] <iomari891> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:50] <alkisg> iomari891: this then causes do-release-upgrade to complain,
[17:50] <alkisg> and the reason for that ^ message is what tomreyn said; you have a mess in your apt sources and installed packages
[17:50] <tomreyn> (though i believe it will be so as a result of mixing packages from different ubuntu and debian releases, as well as having locally installed packages from unknown sources, defining dependencies, too)
[17:51] <iomari891> should I  remove all third part repos and try again.
[17:51] <alkisg> No, that won't fix it, you also need to fix the already installed programs
[17:51] <alkisg> What's the output of: apt policy libheif1
[17:51] <RikMills> if you do apt install libheif1 libdav1d6
[17:52] <RikMills> it should give you more info
[17:52] <iomari891> libheif1:
[17:52] <iomari891>   Installed: 1.12.0-2build1
[17:52] <iomari891>   Candidate: 1.13.0-1~22.04.sav0
[17:52] <iomari891>   Version table:
[17:52] <iomari891>      1.13.0-1~22.04.sav0 500
[17:52] <iomari891>         500 https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/savoury1/blender/ubuntu jammy/main amd64 Packages
[17:52] <alkisg> RikMills: libdav1d6 isn't a dependency of libheif1 in normal ubuntu
[17:52] <tomreyn> !paste | iomari891
[17:52] <alkisg> iomari891: use pastebin next time. Now, do delete the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<the savoury ppa source file>
[17:53] <alkisg> Then try again `apt full-upgrade`, it should then show there are no packages to upgrade at all
[17:53] <RikMills> alkisg: yes it is
[17:53] <RikMills> https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/libheif1
[17:54] <alkisg> RikMills: 22.04
[17:54] <alkisg> Depends: libaom3 (>= 3.2.0), libc6 (>= 2.34), libdav1d5 (>= 0.1.0), libde265-0 (>= 1.0.7), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3.1), libstdc++6 (>= 11), libx265-199 (>= 3.5)
[17:55]  * RikMills head is still in kinetic
[17:55] <RikMills> 22.04 is soooooooooooooooo long ago
[17:55] <alkisg> Hahaha
[17:55] <alkisg> A toddler's full life!
[17:56] <RikMills> I am waiting for 2304 archive to open :P
[17:56] <RikMills> 23.04
[17:57] <alkisg> iomari891: when that's all done and do-release-upgrade starts, it may still fail due to the chaos you have of bad sources and installed packages; ping me then for a more harsh way of restoring sanity
 hello, it's possible to run .exe apps in kubuntu? sry i'm new with this system
[17:57] <RikMills> the blender ppa needs disabling 1st of all
[17:58] <RikMills> and they pinged out.....
[17:59] <tomreyn> bye iomari891!
[17:59]  * RikMills goes back to watching python 3.11 rebuild in the Lobster
[18:00] <tomreyn> Nico: to *some* degree, using WINE. but before you go down this rabbit hole, consider alternatives. what are you trying to run?
 bob win. bobcera
 it's a front end with batocera. for retro gaming
 already I instaled wine but there is a pop up saying that WINE can't be opened
 tomreyn, maybe you can recomend a video or YT channel for kubuntu beginners?
[18:24] <tomreyn> Nico: i think your best option to do retro gaming on kubuntu is to use one of the softwares provided for this purpose in the (k)ubuntu repositories. there are several.
[18:25] <tomreyn> i do not know anything about the software you mentioned (bob win. bobcera, a frontend with batocera), so i do not know what it emulates or how you would do so on kubuntu, though
[18:26] <tomreyn> apparently, batocera is actually a linux distrobution around retro-gaming: https://batocera.org/
[18:33] <tomreyn> Nico: i can't seem to find anything about this front-edn you mentioned, though, "bob win. bobcera"
[18:33] <tomreyn> do you have a url for it?
 https://t.me/BOBcera/2860
[18:46] <tomreyn> oh, i don't have telegram, so i can only see the preview image
 np! thx for your time tomreyn
[18:51] <tomreyn> Nico: i'm not sure what this software does, but you'll probably find that batocera itself provides similar functionality, and you don'T actually need this front-end.
 I see. Thanks!
 Hi, which ntp server is being hit by default. How do I change it?
[20:15] <tomreyn> ksenchy: ntp.ubuntu.com, NTP=... in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf in the [Time] section
 Yep. I already changed. Thanks
 Is there a reason why the poll interval is around 30mins by default? I reckon once a day is enough, the clock doesn't go bad in 30mins
[22:27] <mmikowski> ksenchy: Many years ago, I know NTP had issues syncing if the drift was too much. I don't know if this remains an issue, but that might be the reason for the relatively frequent polling.
[23:44] <andyson> what is this