[18:10] <Mooncairn> Has anyone tried using fish? How do you rate it vs bash or zsh?
[18:11] <ben> i've been using fish for years
[18:11] <ben> it's great
[18:11] <ben> i don't write scripts in fish but i use it interactively and it's lovely
[18:12] <Mooncairn> I like how certain features that require plugins in zsh are built-in with fish.
[18:13] <Mooncairn> There's one or two nit-picky things that it doesn't have, and I haven't even started looking at fisher and its ecosystem.
[18:13] <Mooncairn> Migrating over to it from zsh and zprezto is taking some time, though.
[18:14] <llua> those plugins aren't adding features, just configuring them.
[18:15] <Mooncairn> Good to know. I'm still learning what featuers fish has and how they work.
[18:16] <cmaloney> I'm sticking with bash because I'm a curmudgeon. :)
[18:17] <llua> fish's completion system is weaker than zsh, but most people don't understand shell completion systems so its kinda a moot point
[18:18] <Mooncairn> Yea, that's the nit-picky area. :)
[18:20] <greg-g> I thought I knew who ben was but I'm wrong, based on /whois :)  Welcome ben.
[18:20] <greg-g> and others like Mooncairn who I don't think I've met before.
[18:29] <ben> how greg-g! 
[18:29] <ben> howdy* even
[18:29] <ben> howdy to the fellow Michiganders 
[18:31] <Mooncairn> Hi greg-g!
[18:32] <ben> where in MI y'all at?
[18:32] <ben> I'm originally from Marquette, been living in TC for a little over 5yrs now
[18:35] <greg-g> I'm no longer in Michigan, sadly, I'm now in SoCal (by way of the bay area). But I kinda started this here channel thing and I want to move back someday (but my wife may not like the weather anymore :) )
[18:40] <cmaloney> metro detroit area
[19:02] <llua> ditto
[20:16] <Mooncairn> Globbing in fish is also much weaker than zsh. I use extended globbing quite a bit, mostly for things like "mv foo{,.bak}".
[20:17] <llua> that isn't globbing but brace expansion
[20:21] <Mooncairn> Ok, I'd miss brace expansion. I also do enough actual extended globbing that it'd be annoying to miss it, but I think fish has some utilities to ease that pain.
[20:22] <Mooncairn> The reason I'm considering fish in the first place is that zsh is really slow and I have to track and insall a plethora of plugins and add-ons.
[20:28] <llua> the plethora of addons usually lead to that, like internet explorer.
[21:19] <ben> iirc brace expansions work as you would expect in fish
[21:19] <ben> i tried zsh some years ago and was very happy to find the stuff i had to get plugins for was already-included
[21:19] <ben> (in fish, that is)
[21:24] <Mooncairn> D'oh! Because I had erroneously lumped brace expansion into globbing in my thinking, I didn't catch that fish does have the former.