[00:01] <johnnee> check
[00:09] <ice__> oi
[00:09] <ice__> oi
[00:09] <ice__> ed
[00:09] <ice1> io
[00:10] <arraybolt3> ice1, ice__: #test
[00:38] <eferneng> Hey guys, I just started using Ubuntu moving from Windows and I liked so far. However there is one issue, unlike windows the CAPS LOCK button doesn't affect the numbers row so if I want to type a number I have to press shift. Is there anyway I can change this behavior. My keboard is AZERTY and the layout is French by the way.
[00:39] <ice1> BAGUVIX
[00:40] <ice1> HEZOYAM
[00:41] <ice2> oi
[00:41] <ice2> #include <stdio.h>
[00:41] <ice2> int impar(int x)
[00:41] <ice2> {
[00:41] <ice2>     int i;
[00:41] <ice2>     for(i=0;i<=x;i++){
[00:41] <ice2>         
[00:47] <ravage> eferneng, my guess it that you want one of these options in "Tweaks" https://i.imgur.com/zCdmxP2.png
[00:47] <ravage> related to shift lock
[00:51] <eferneng> ravage This might be exactly what I am looking for! How can I install this "Tweaks"?
[00:51] <ravage> it comes with Ubuntu 22.04
[00:52] <ravage> i may be wrong. in that case do "sudo apt install gnome-tweaks"
[00:56] <eferneng> ravage Yeah, I had to install it. And dude, thank you so much it worked!
[00:56] <ravage> great. you are welcome :)
[01:25] <lilh4x0r> hhhh
[01:53] <jhutchins> ravage: Wow, good shot.
[01:53] <jhutchins> I blew a job interview because they asked me to use a computer that was set to have a Hungarian keyboard.
[02:13] <johnnee> hungray rox
[02:13] <johnnee> hopefully brazil gets it right
[02:14] <johnnee> good nite folks, pray people get it right and god prevails. thanks.
[02:16] <rogstrix> https://termbin.com/m1bn
[02:16] <rogstrix> I can't create a .desktop file for a shell script
[02:16] <rogstrix> it launches a gui window
[02:17] <rogstrix> well it doesn't, but it's supposed to
[02:30] <tomreyn> rogstrix: please don't cross-post (#linux), or when you do, state so.
[02:30] <rogstrix> sorry
[02:48] <_enigma9o7_> Terminal=true
[03:02] <vipminske> What command sshows which IP you're on?
[03:03] <vipminske>  
[03:03] <vipminske> What command sshows which IP you're on?
[03:04] <vipminske> iiiiipconfig doesn't work.
[03:04] <vipminske> ipconfig doewsn't work.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> vipminske: One such ' ip a ' .
[03:13] <vipminske> Bashing-on, I didn't understand.
[03:16] <Bashing-om> vipminske: Terminal command ' ip a ' to show some of the aspects of the link, What do you need to find out ?
[03:19] <vipminske> I need to find out what ping will show me byes of data.
[03:19] <vipminske> I noticed it depends on which WiFi network I'm on.
[03:19] <Bashing-om> vipminske: like ' ip -s link ' ?
[03:21] <vipminske> With my cat 5 connection ping 192.168.0.1 shows it.
[03:22] <vipminske> I noticed that with the  .ricket Wifi, I got it with ping 192.168.1.120
[03:22] <Bashing-om> vipminske: 192.168.0.1 is your router.
[03:22] <rogstrix> How do I install Node v16.14.2 on Ubuntu (crossposted to #ubuntu and #linux)
[03:24] <vipminske> My TV cable moden is 192.168.0.1 .
[03:26] <vipminske> With my Cricket Mobile Wifi (MIFI) it seems to be 192.168.1.220
[03:27] <vipminske> That is, ping 192.168.1.220 gives me the bytes of data.
[03:31] <caiofelipessanto> wth is this??
[03:33] <vipminske> I guess it's the IP that the system seeks.
[03:40] <vipminske> Hello diamondbond
[03:42] <diamondbond> hey vipminske :)
[03:42] <diamondbond> how are you doing?
[06:01] <Macwinner> hi, what's the proper way to get postfix 3.6.x installed on Ubuntu 20.04?  Focal has postfix 3.4 by default.  Jammy has 3.6.  We can't upgrade to jammy because mongodb doesn't support it yet.
[06:01] <Macwinner> we are a little new to ubuntu.. just wanted to see if there is a official/semi-official way of doing this with pre-built packages rather than compiling from source
[06:39] <gebbione> hi folks, i just tried updating terraform on my ubuntu. I had an older version at /usr/local/bin/terraform . I installed the latest version with APT and it sits at /usr/bin/terraform but now if i type terraform i get `bash: /usr/local/bin/terraform: No such file or directory` . Creating a symlink does not sound right
[06:39] <gebbione> any idea where this error might be coming from?
[06:39] <gebbione> my bashrc files does not seem to have anything specific for terraform
[06:41] <WoodenIdol1> does the file actually exist in file explorer
[06:42] <gebbione> i removed it
[06:50] <matsaman> gebbione: there was a file at /usr/local/bin/ and you removed it?
[06:54] <gebbione> yes, when installing terraform manually it is downloaded and placed under that location
[06:54] <gebbione> not there is an APT so i just wanted to removed the one installed manually
[06:58] <gebbione> sed /not/now/
[07:08] <gebbione> any ideas?
[07:11] <murmel> gebbione: do you maybe happen to have an alias or the likes
[07:11] <gebbione> i checked bashrc
[07:12] <gebbione> i m going to double check around
[07:22] <dob1> when you have more than one monitor and you boot the system you have the login window on all the monitors or just one?  I was sure on all the monitor but when I boot today the system it is just on one monitor, maybe I am wrong
[07:23] <murmel> dob1: which flavor?
[07:24] <dob1> murmel: what you mean?
[07:24] <dob1> what I prefer?
[07:24] <murmel> dob1: are you on ubuntu proper or some kind of "spin"
[07:24] <murmel> as in kubuntu for example
[07:24] <dob1> ubuntu
[07:24] <murmel> kk
[07:24] <murmel> then it should only ever be on 1 screen
[07:24] <dob1> ah just one, ok then so I was wrong
[07:25] <oerheks> on the primairy screen only, indeed
[07:25] <dob1> ok thanks
[07:28] <gebbione> and it might not be on the one you expect it :)
[07:31] <murmel> gebbione: oO?
[07:31] <gebbione> murmel, i have other weird problems with double screen setup, one of them is where the log in is shown, sometimes goes to the other screen
[07:32] <oerheks> it might track focus of your mouse
[07:32] <oerheks> not weird at all
[07:33] <murmel> gebbione: it really depends on which dm you are using, sddm (used by kde for example) tracks where the mouse is
[07:33] <murmel> but it can also show on all at the same time
[07:34] <gebbione> it is definitely weird when i tries to recover from screen sleep
[07:34] <gebbione> ie it is a broken view where the login field is on the top left of the screen in a broken UI
[07:36] <WoodenIdol2> i need to access an article behind a paywall, seeking advice, its a doi.org article
[07:36] <WoodenIdol2> ive tried sci hub, libgen and zlib
[07:38] <oerheks> WoodenIdol2, we do not help with that.
[07:38] <oerheks> pay for it.
[07:38] <WoodenIdol2> someone here might now\
[07:38] <WoodenIdol2> know
[07:38] <WoodenIdol2> how to access the article
[07:38] <murmel> very wrong channel
[07:39] <WoodenIdol2> im using ubuntu so its relevant
[07:39] <oerheks> !ot | WoodenIdol2
[07:39] <oerheks> no
[07:39] <gebbione> ahhahaha
[07:39] <gebbione> you need to try kali for that
[07:39] <WoodenIdol2> omg just, try to help me instead of being rule nazis
[07:39] <murmel> lol, hey, I am using ubuntu, so tell me where to get this thing for free. _sure_
[07:40] <oerheks> time to go, WoodenIdol2
[07:40] <gebbione> why having him go, sounds like fun
[07:44] <WoodenIdol2> I'm using Ubuntu so send me free things!
[07:44] <WoodenIdol2> =)
[07:46] <oerheks> lets get back to ubuntu support, thanks.
[08:01] <matsaman> gebbione: oh you used some horrible binary upstream installer? First mistake
[08:01] <matsaman> you know it's wrong because it's using /usr/local/
[08:01] <matsaman> horrible binary upstream trash belongs in /opt/, but only if you're foolish enough to run it in the first place
[08:02] <gebbione> no it was just a manual installation, anything i install manually goes there
[08:02] <gebbione> else terraform installs correctly
[08:02] <gebbione> https://developer.hashicorp.com/terraform/cli/install/apt
[08:02] <gebbione> the problem was that some cache/config files are centralised and i think they still point to the old installation until the new binary is run
[08:02] <gebbione> now the error is gone
[08:04] <murmel> matsaman: idk, but a single binary is perfectly fine in /usr/local, and not /opt
[08:06] <matsaman> anything is perfectly fine in /usr/local/, if _you put it there personally_
[08:06] <matsaman> although with most single user systems, somewhere in ~/ is more sensible
[08:40] <slvn> join #SDL
[09:49] <jan_> Hallo
[09:54] <kerfluffy> hi
[09:54] <kerfluffy> i'm having issues installing python3-pip
[09:54] <kerfluffy> i keep getting the error: python3-pip : Depends: python-pip-whl (= 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.5) but 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.6 is to be installed
[09:55] <kerfluffy> i'm on 20.04
[09:55] <kerfluffy> anyone know how to make it depend on 1.6 instead of 1.5?
[09:56] <geirha> you have refereshed the package lists by running   sudo apt update   ?
[09:56] <kerfluffy> yep
[09:57] <geirha> apt policy python3-pip python3-pip-whl   shows them coming from the same repo?
[09:58] <kerfluffy> hmm
[09:59] <kerfluffy> python-pip-whl and python3-pip yes
[09:59] <kerfluffy> python-pip-whl:
[09:59] <kerfluffy>   Installed: 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.6
[09:59] <kerfluffy>   Candidate: 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.6
[09:59] <kerfluffy> both coming from http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 Packages
[10:02] <geirha> ok, in 22.04 it's named python3-pip-whl, but I checked a 20.04 box now and I see 1.5 and 1.6 entries for both python3-pip and python-pip-whl. Are trying to explicitly install the older 1.5 ones?
[10:02] <kerfluffy> i'm just trying to install python3-pip
[10:03] <kerfluffy> it seems to depend on 1.5
[10:03] <kerfluffy> but i've got 1.6 installed. not sure if it's a good idea to downgrade python-pip-whl
[10:03] <geirha> Hm. Weird.  apt depends python3-pip   says it depends on the 1.6 version of python-pip-whl here
[10:04] <kerfluffy> hmm mine says 'Depends: python-pip-whl (= 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.5)'
[10:06] <geirha> the apt policy from before. Does it inlcude the 1.6 version of python3-pip too?
[10:07] <kerfluffy> geirha this is what i get: https://dpaste.org/jfrxA
[10:08] <geirha> so it looks like the au mirror is lagging behind. It has the newest version of python-pip-whl, but not of python3-pip
[10:09] <kerfluffy> looks like it
[10:10] <geirha> you could try downgrading python-pip-whl with   apt install python-pip-whl=20.0.2-5ubuntu1.5
[10:12] <geirha> and then once the au mirror gets the 1.6 versions of both, an apt upgrade should upgrade both
[10:14] <geirha> or wait ... the 1.6 should be coming from security.ubuntu.com which is not a mirror. So that's really odd
[10:23] <ravage> works on a fresh 20.04 container: https://p.haxxors.com/yymjcyua.txt
[10:25] <ravage> sources.list : https://p.haxxors.com/7fkncxyw.txt
[10:28] <kerfluffy> should i remove the au mirrors?
[10:28] <ravage> you can try to backup your sources file and try mine
[10:29] <ravage> maybe you are just missing something
[10:29] <ravage> like focal-updates for example
[10:29] <kerfluffy> yeah
[10:30] <alkisg> Eeeh did I understand correctly that snap forces apps to save files in ~/snap/xx? So if I want to use normal firefox I use ~/.mozilla, if I switch to snap I use ~/snap/firefox, and if I use flatpak or next-years-store I'll use ~/next-years-store?!?!
[10:30] <ravage> all user data for snaps are in ~/snap
[10:32] <alkisg> But then our data and paths are specific to the packaging...!
[10:33] <alkisg> We'd need to redo everything by just changing to a different packaging system or distribution or whatever :/
[10:43] <Guest60>     SCRIPT_DIR=$(cd `dirname $0` && pwd)  SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[10:44] <Guest60> https://o3debinaries.org/download/linux.html
[10:45] <Guest60> any multiplayer 3d game engine that comes with easy installation and easy configuration?
[10:45] <clarkk> I'm on ubuntu 20.04. After installing the latest updates, that I had put off for a week or two, video in my browsers stops working after a short time. If it stops in firefox, I try it in chrome and it also won't load videos. I can just see a spinner in the video window but it never starts. Can someone advise, please?
[10:46] <zaggynl> Guest60: no direct experience but uh, unity?
[10:46] <clarkk> Now firefox will load the first frame, but won't play the video. If I jump to another point in the video, it shows that frame but doesn't play
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> Guest60: are you trying that on xorg or wayland?
[10:46] <Guest60> I am running ubuntu 22.04 with openbox on xord
[10:46] <Guest60> xorg
[10:47] <clarkk> One remedy that I've seen online is to install ffmpeg, but I've always had that installed.
[10:48] <sarnold> Guest60: why do the cd `..` and so on? just use dirname directly
[10:49] <Guest60> it's written in o3de script
[10:49] <clarkk> I already have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> clarkk: check your /var/log/dpkg logs to see wich updates could have borked it
[10:56] <alkisg> Using snap firefox, trying to save a web page in /tmp; sometimes it works sometimes it fails; then trying to open the same page gets me to file:///run/user/1001/doc/29348793/test.html. So I guess enforced sandboxing will destroy many development workflows that need to ping-pong some files and dirs between many applications.
[10:56] <alkisg> Is there a way to use snaps without sandboxing?
[10:56] <sarnold> alkisg: some 'classic' snaps can bypass sandboxing, but they have to sign up for it
[10:57] <alkisg> Not a user choice then... thank you sarnold , I guess I'll stick to my existing workflows for as long as I can then :)
[10:57] <Piraty> alkisg: grab the upstream mozilla release , drop in $HOME/app/firefox , put that into PATH . done . no more snap pain
[10:58] <alkisg> Piraty: I'm using the mozilla ppa, I don't have snap installed; I was testing if it would be possible to "go with the flow", but I really can't
[10:58] <Piraty> i mean https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/
[10:58] <Piraty> ppa suck
[10:59] <oerheks> that ppa would give updates, Piraty, just that download does not.
[11:00] <oerheks> so, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/ is not helpfull
[11:00] <Piraty> oerheks: firefox has self-update feature
[11:00] <Piraty> that runs more often than you do `apt upgrade` i bet
[11:00] <alkisg> Fortunately https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is maintained by ubuntu devs, as long as they keep it around I'll prefer it, although I did switch my main browser to google-chrome in the summer...
[11:03] <oerheks> alkisg, for the snap, in settings>applications > firefox it gives ' systemfiles: allow access.."
[11:05] <sarnold> Piraty: unattended-upgrade runs daily
[11:05] <alkisg> oerheks: it's already enabled by default, but it's still not using the files directly, it's moving them around in temp dirs, making them useless for development
[11:05] <sarnold> alkisg: you can do some bind mount games .. it's not great
[11:06] <alkisg> So a web developer would have to move all their ~/development/html tree under ~/snap/firefox to work with firefox, and then move it to ~/snap/chromium-browser the test there...
[11:06]  * alkisg stops the subject to avoid spamming the channel and goes to his corner to cry in silence :/
[11:08] <sarnold> or if you connect the right snap interfaces you should be able to do anything anywhere, try connecting the home interface or something like that
[11:08] <sarnold> check the settings page? this is kind of old but hopefully still relevant https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces
[11:09] <alkisg> Thank you sarnold , will give that a go
[11:09] <lacrymology> after the latest kernel upgrade, my computer doesn't seem to recognize the video card or network adapters. I have to boot on the previous kernel for things to work.
[11:10] <Lynx-> Can I install xfce on Ubuntu but not make it default? I just want to install it to use via X2GO.
[11:10] <lacrymology> when it boots, it's stuck in very low resolution
[11:11] <lacrymology> and there's no network, of course
[11:12] <clarkk> I found a workaround for my video stopping working in all browsers. I switched my bluetooth headset off and on again
[11:12] <clarkk> thanks for the reply lotuspsychje
[11:23] <Guest60> is linux generally stuck in random video/office/calculator software stage?
[11:23] <Lartza> What?
[11:24] <Guest60> I don't find solution to modify any multiplayer 3d game
[11:24] <Guest60> not even the ones that would suck
[11:24] <Guest60> is 3d sp
[11:25] <Guest60> sphere is copyrighted by microsoft and somebody sold rights to stuff like that
[11:27] <Lartza> modify? What are you talking about
[11:42] <Guest60> i think You can't read or You generally think toys
[11:44] <Lartza> No I just think your english is a bit broken
[11:44] <Lartza> Nothing wrong with that I just don't really understand what you mean
[11:45] <Guest60> Your mind is broken
[11:46] <Guest60> You modify program code
[11:46] <Guest60> logic
[11:46] <ravage> !ot | Guest60
[11:48] <Guest60> ravage I'm asking for support for ubuntu, what else is there in my questions
[11:49] <Lartza> Well that's the issue, kind of nothing
[11:49] <Lartza> Are you trying to cheat in multiplayer games? Or what do you mean by modify
[11:49] <Lartza> What does sphere have to do with anything
[11:50] <Lartza> What do you mean stuck in "random video/office/calculator software stage"?
[11:50] <ravage> programming multiplayer 3d game is not an ubuntu support issue. and copyright issues are no support issue
[11:50] <Guest60> why do You need to program a basic 3d game in 2022
[11:50] <Guest60> ask Yourself
[11:50] <ravage> so if you have an actual ubuntu support question ask. if not: see above
[11:50] <Guest60> this
[11:51] <Guest60> that is actual question as I guess ubuntu supposed to be opensource platform with all capabilities
[11:51] <Lartza> And it is
[11:51] <Guest60> it is clearly not if I and nobody else can do this thing I
[11:51] <Guest60> 'm searching for
[11:51] <Lartza> Make games?
[11:52] <ravage> Lartza, dont feed the troll
[11:52] <Guest60> that is very wide term but technically
[11:52] <Guest60> there is only one way of 3d game
[11:53] <Guest60> so far none of the things I tried to make a legit multiplayer template
[11:53] <Guest60> godot, javascript nothing
[11:53] <Guest60> lugar c++
[11:53] <Guest60> lugaru]
[11:53] <Guest60> it's cracked out not open
[11:54] <Lartza> Unity and Unreal both work on Ubuntu
[11:55] <Lartza> But I got places to be now so good luck
[11:55] <Guest60> unity is c# and no it does not prolly , unreal too
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:43] <ogra> alkisg, both browsers connect the home interface by default, so sharing html pages should be possible through ~/my-project or some such ... /tmp is indeed a per-snap thing, but you should in any cas always be able to save something to it, if you can not, there is a bug
[12:45] <alkisg> Thank you ogra, I'll give ~/my-project a go as well
[12:47] <ogra> the tmp issue you describe is worrying though ... looks like an incompatibility between portals (who operate in /run/user/<uid>/doc) and /tmp
[12:47] <ogra> i.e. some kind of race condition
[13:03] <alkisg> We also need a /home/shared folder for students, I guess the interfaces thing is the way to do that
[13:06] <stevenm_> What exactly /is/ the system fixed width font?
[13:11] <sarnold> stevenm_: in what context?
[13:12] <stevenm_> e.g. your on a terminal program (for example MATE Terminal) and tick a box that says "Use the system fixed width font"
[13:12] <stevenm_> if it's reading the name of a font from the system... how might someone actually know what font that is?
[13:12] <stevenm_> because whatever it is on ubuntu isn't properly fixed width at all
[13:17] <sarnold> hrmph. I expected to find something like a fixed.pcf somewhere around here, I wonder what I'm missing
[13:23] <stevenm_> ah it's Ubuntu Mono Regular
[13:24] <stevenm_> which apparently thinks ♥ should be wider than H
[13:24] <sarnold> hah, that isn't what I expected :)
[13:24] <stevenm_> so much for monospace
[13:25]  * jsbach .
[13:32] <stevenm_> NEW QUESTION :)
[13:32] <stevenm_> How does someone *change* the system fixed width font ? :D
[13:33] <stevenm_> As "Ubuntu Mono" in size 13 is crap (and not fixed width after all anyway)... and it seems "DejaVu Sans Mono Book" in size 11 is virtually identical in lettering (mostly) and the same size... but actually /IS/ fixed width :P
[13:34] <stevenm_> maybe it's a GTK+ thing?  /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name perhaps
[13:40] <kevin_> Hi
[13:44] <rubick> Is there a good resource for documentation on creating pam profiles in /usr/share/pam-configs?
[13:48] <sarnold> rubick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PAMConfigFrameworkSpec
[13:48] <yrdsb> Why is interim ubuntu release unstable
[13:49] <sarnold> because the bulk of the 'new development' happens in those releases; with the bug reports from users, the LTS releases can be more predictable and mor ereliable
[13:49] <yrdsb> Also why did 21.10 end support so early
[13:50] <yrdsb> It ended support less then a year ago
[13:50] <yrdsb> I mean why only 9 monthes
[13:50] <yrdsb> That way too short
[13:50] <leftyfb> yrdsb: that is how it's always been
[13:50] <yrdsb> Leftydn but 9 monthes is too short
[13:50] <leftyfb> this is why we have LTS releases. Stick with those if you need longer support
[13:51] <yrdsb> What the difference between lts and interim
[13:51] <leftyfb> longer support
[13:51] <yrdsb> Also I tried ubuntu 21.10 but it had stability issues
[13:51] <leftyfb> also, pretty sure it's just "LTS" and not "LTS". I don't think it's ever been referred to as "interim"
[13:52] <yrdsb> Why people say don't use interim releases
[13:52] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure this was all just explained to you
[13:52] <sarnold> yrdsb: the interim releases used to get 18 months of support, but it was a lot of extra work to fix bugs and security problems for releases that very few people used
[13:52] <yrdsb> What do most peoppe use lts or interim
[13:52] <sarnold> yrdsb: LTS releases are vastly more popular
[13:53] <leftyfb> yrdsb: stick with LTS
[13:53] <yrdsb> What happen if I attemt to upgrade to a interim release
[13:53] <leftyfb> :/
[13:53] <leftyfb> then it will only get support for 9 months
[13:53] <yrdsb> When will interim stop being unstable
[13:54] <yrdsb> I need stability not new features
[13:54] <leftyfb> then stick with LTS
[13:54] <yrdsb> Bye
[14:11] <useregio> lol
[14:11] <useregio> since when did ubunto got its own chat service
[14:14] <Piraty> why does `apt dist-upgrade` show multiple packages 'are held back'? isn't dist-upgrade's purpose to install/uninstall automatic dependencies
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> can you pastebin whats happening exactly Piraty so volunteers can think along with you?
[14:16] <Piraty> yes
[14:16] <Piraty> another odd find: `apt purge --no-install-recommends gnome-shell`  is going to install a few new ones oO
[14:18] <Piraty> http://ix.io/4eVy
[14:19] <Piraty> do-release upgrade refuses to do its thing , i suspect due to the 'hold back' packages
[14:19] <Piraty> https://termbin.com/gjas
[14:21] <Piraty> https://ttm.sh/0WE.txt  ( in this case i'm in fact fine with uninstalling this gnome package as i don't use gnome)
[14:22] <pickanick> Pardon me.  How to get the info pages for mmap and other commands? when I say info mmap it appears that info is presenting man pages
[14:23] <WaV> man nmap?
[14:23] <Piraty> WaV: `man info`
[14:27] <jhutchins> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/info-command-in-linux-with-examples/
[14:27] <jhutchins> The interface can be frustrating for a modern user.
[14:29] <yrdsb> Which one is better if I want faster expeeumde duel boot or vm
[14:29] <yrdsb> I using vm rightnnow
[14:29] <yrdsb> If dual boot faster I will delete my vm and try to duel boot
[14:31] <yrdsb> Which one is better if I want faster experience
[14:31] <yrdsb> Since my vm is a bit slow
[14:33] <yrdsb> My PC main os is windows 11
[14:34] <hggdh> Piraty: you probably want the package glibc-doc-reference
[14:35] <Piraty> will check
[14:35] <Piraty> why?
[14:35] <hggdh> sorry, why what?
[14:39] <Piraty> why would i want glibc-doc-reference
[14:39] <yrdsb> ,can you give me a 1 hour +q
[14:39] <Piraty> maybe that was meant for pickanick
[14:40] <yrdsb>  #ubuntu-ops
[14:40] <hggdh> Piraty: I apologise, it is indeed for pickanick
[14:41] <Piraty> no harm inflicted ;)
[14:57] <pickanick> no, I mean, how to make sure various info pages are installed?
[14:58] <pickanick> If they are installed, info X will not display the man pages for X
[14:58] <jhutchins> pickanick: Most packages do not have info pages.
[14:58] <jhutchins> (Some barely have man pages.)
[14:59] <jhutchins> pickanick: Graphical programs also tend to avoid text manuals in favor of either help files or more often on-line documentation (web pages).
[15:00] <jhutchins> pickanick: Some packages have separate documentaion modules that are not installed by default.
[15:02] <pickanick> mmap is a linux programmer's function with GNU extensions and so I imagine it would come with GNU info pages
[15:03] <pickanick> but it's possible it simply does not
[15:03] <pickanick> hmm more info at https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
[15:04] <pickanick> no mention of info. ah well
[15:04] <jhutchins> Many early man pages were auto-converted from info pages.  Some projects never bothered to update them.
[15:07] <hggdh> GNU offerings all use 'info' and usually have a summarised 'man' page as well. In general the corresponding package has both of them, together with the binaries
[15:09] <jhutchins> hggdh: Sometimes.
[15:10] <hggdh> that's why I said "in general"
[15:15] <hggdh> the GLIBC doc is (1) a large package; (2) not needed for *most* Linux users. IIRC there was of old some sort of encumbrance on it as well (but I may as well be confusing things)
[15:23] <hggdh> by default the manpages-dev (at least) will carry the GLIBC-equivalent 'man' entries
[15:25] <hggdh> but, once glibc-doc-reference is installed, then an 'info libc' will give one access to all
[15:49] <yrdsb> why is kubuntu installation possiblr on ubuntu
[15:50] <yrdsb> is both  ubuntu and linux mint linux
[16:00] <bittin> hey
[16:25] <johnnee> check
[16:59] <pycurious> I want to delete a file so that it is not recoverable. What is the right tool in Ubuntu to do this?
[16:59] <omart> i think its rm -rf
[16:59] <omart> but that deletes the entire follder
[16:59] <xx> pycurious: there are no guarantees that a file is not recoverable
[16:59] <pycurious> omart: that is no where close to secure deletion
[17:00] <xx> wipe the entire drive if you have to
[17:00] <xx> a single overwrite of entire drive with zeros is enough
[17:00] <johnnee> right click open as admin, delete contents.. to start
[17:01] <ogra> pycurious, ook at "shred"
[17:01] <ogra> *look
[17:02] <ogra> (it will overwrite the data on the filesystem with zeros while deleting the file)
[17:02] <ogra> shred -uvz /path/t👋file
[17:03] <ogra> (sorry, rougue emoji plugin in my client 😛 )
[17:04] <ogra> using the -n option you can have it overwrite the data multiple times bw
[17:04] <ogra> there is also the "secure-delete" package that ships the "srm" tool doing something similar (but shred is pre-installed i think)
[17:46] <johnnee> X- surely is broke.
[17:46] <johnnee> I dont know how we survived it.
[17:46] <tomreyn> can't be, it's maintained by redhat. do you have an ubuntu support question, though?
[17:47] <johnnee> no worries tomreyn , thank you for your response.
[17:52] <johnnee> I have a silly "ubuntu" question - Its been yrs since i ran Quassel - and - cant seem to find the command on how to eliinate previous text in the room. silly, i know, but I cant even find it in their own faq's.
[17:54] <johnnee> eliminate *
[17:54] <tomreyn> i never used it, but https://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki/quassel_logging says it does not forget. there is #quassel
[17:55] <johnnee> exactly
[17:55] <johnnee> thanks
[17:55] <johnnee> god bless you tomreyn
[17:57] <johnnee> but: thats not what my silly complaint was: it is - how can i like Hexchat do = ?clear ??
[17:57] <johnnee>   /clear
[17:58] <johnnee> ?
[17:58] <tomreyn> ask in #quassel - they should know, if anyone.
[17:58] <johnnee> ok. thanks man.
[18:01] <johnnee> I was trying to avoid the 72 hour waiting period.. but, thanks anyways.
[18:16] <johnnee> god bless you  tomreyn
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> did you find your solution johnnee ?
[18:17] <johnnee> AND - Thank You for your services to the community.
[18:17] <johnnee> lotuspsychje:  no, not at this time.
[18:18] <johnnee> It seems like a hard find, being the community faq is completely vague
[18:19] <johnnee> My apologies in taking too much space in the room over silly complaints.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> we try to focus on ubuntu issues in this channel johnnee
[18:20] <johnnee> Im 78 yrs old and might be a bit silly at times, thank you for your time and efforts.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> !chat | johnnee but feel free to join
[18:21] <johnnee> ok lotuspsychje thank you for your concerns.
[18:24] <johnnee> lotuspsychje: , on a personal level, could you help me ?  . thanks.
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> johnnee: tomreyn already pointed you to quassel support
[18:27] <johnnee> Only reason this attribute applys to me is this.. i cant see very well and want to make sure i am not reading old posts and repete silliness.
[18:28] <johnnee> Thank you in advance.
[18:28] <johnnee> god bless you.
[18:31] <johnnee> AND quassel gives me better colors that make it easy. sorry.
[18:35] <johnnee> Just to be clear, - I am a retired engineere, - I repaired tv / vcr/ 2way radio / ham radio / dvd / cd / police radio / commercial radio / anything electronic.. thank you.
[18:36] <johnnee> linux is my 5th adventure.. thank you for your patience.
[18:36] <johnnee> god bless you
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> johnnee: please dont use this channel for chatting, have respect to the users needing real ubuntu help
[18:38] <johnnee> thank you lotuspsychje, will do, thank you.
[18:39] <johnnee> lotuspsychje:  can you help me. thank you sir.
[18:43] <johnnee> Im looking for a simple answer, why, is this a hard avenue within a critical structure that elevates itself as top dog, please review the question in venue. thanks.
[18:44] <Guest77> Heyy, my distro is not suspending after Nvidia driver update...
[18:44] <johnnee> re-do your drivers .. pick another one.
[18:45] <johnnee> rewboot 2wice and try again
[18:45] <Guest77> Nvidia drivers are hot garbage, I'm tired of this.. I'll never buy laptop with nvidia again..!!
[18:45] <johnnee> Think Smart
[18:46] <johnnee> In linux - intel rules.
[18:47] <Guest77> johnnee I tried, but already screwed up my installation when a bunch of Nvidia drivers failed and ended up with black screen on boot
[18:47] <pycurious> I've an external drive that I want to encrypt using a password. What is a good FS to use for this?
[18:47] <tomreyn> Guest77: what's your distro?
[18:47] <Guest77> Pop OS 22.04 Nvidia
[18:48] <tomreyn> Guest77: i'm afraid you won't find help with this here, we support ubuntu
[18:48] <johnnee> guest77  google.. how to delete nvidia..  and... re- install
[18:48] <johnnee> gheeze  pop
[18:49] <Guest77> I want to permanently disable nvidia.. its causing more issues than its use
[18:49] <johnnee> go some where else
[18:50] <Guest77> tomreyn Before Installing Pop OS I screwed up Ubuntu installation lol
[18:50] <tomreyn> Guest77: if you want to try again and get help with it here, if needed, let us know
[18:50] <tomreyn> Guest77: if you want to try again and get help with it here, if needed, let us know
[18:51] <pycurious> Good encrypted FS suggestions? Is EXT4 good for this?
[18:51] <tomreyn> pycurious: supposedly yes, but i have not read much about it, and it's still somewhat new.
[18:51] <johnnee> lotuspsychje:  - still waiting. thank you for your time and efforts.
[18:52] <tomreyn> pycurious: there is also cryptsetup / dmcrypt-luks (but that's not file system encryption)
[18:53] <Guest77> tomreyn I want to try Lubuntu next, I hope it is supported here
[18:53] <tomreyn> pycurious: also zfs and btrfs support encryption, i think, maybe the xfs, too, not sure.
[18:53] <tomreyn> !flavors | Guest77
[18:53] <tomreyn> (Lubuntu is one of them)
[18:54] <Guest77> Thanks, you guys are amazing!! I'm moving back to my ubuntu
[18:55] <johnnee> good answer
[18:56] <johnnee> usually, anything that re-writes itself as "ubuntu" is broke.
[18:56] <tomreyn> pycurious: actually i seem to be wrong there, btrfs doesn't support file system encryption.
[18:57] <Guest77> johnnee I learnt that hard way, hehe
[18:57] <johnnee> me 2 16 yrs ago
[18:57] <johnnee> back when we installed 6.06
[18:58] <johnnee> 7.04 was killer
[18:58] <johnnee> like kde 3.5
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> !ot | johnnee
[18:59] <Guest77> Now, I had tried Ubuntu 20.04, which ran without any issues at all... except Bluetooth audio with PulseAudio... Should I go with that or I try the latest 22.04?
[19:00] <tomreyn> johnnee: we have a couple ubuntu channels. this one is really just for support Q & A. it's fine to share experiences when it adds to an answer someone asked an ubuntu question on.
[19:00] <johnnee> Guest77:  with each "point" release.. it gets better.
[19:01] <ravage> Guest77, the latest LTS is usually a good idea
[19:01] <Guest77> tomreyn do we have people from Canonical here or it is community driven support ?
[19:01] <tomreyn> Guest77: community, which does not rule out people who also work for Canonical
[19:01] <Guest77> ravage thanks, I'll give it a try
[19:03] <johnnee> lotuspsychje: , you have yet to respond to my cry for help, please respond, thank you for your time and efforts.
[19:03] <Guest77> Can I keep my home existing directory while installing Ubuntu ?
[19:03] <Guest77> I mean, is it possible to install Ubuntu without losing data?
[19:04] <tomreyn> johnnee: i'm not sure which ubuntu question you asked, but note that there is no guarantee that a specific person will respond to some question you asked, or anyone.
[19:04] <ravage> if you have /home on a seperate partition a manual partition setup is possible that keeps data
[19:05] <johnnee> tomreyn:  they in person "did" respont, it was not an accurate response. thanks
[19:05] <ravage> i still would not recommend it. especially not coming from a foreign distro
[19:05] <Guest77> I do have it on a separate partition
[19:06] <johnnee> Is lotuspsychje a bot ?
[19:07] <tomreyn> johnnee: no. and i don't think you can insist on a response.
[19:07] <johnnee> I see whats coming.. i will leave for now.. thank you ubuntu for your efforts
[19:07] <SeeBergD> Hello! Is it possible to encrypt the linux partition even after installation?
[19:08] <Guest77> Why is Ublock blocking Lubuntu's official website for badware risk?
[19:09] <tomreyn> SeeBergD: this depends a bit on what / how you installed. but let's say it's not a common approach. you probably want to do the encryption during installation.
[19:09] <ravage> Guest77: you are not on the official website
[19:09] <ravage> https://lubuntu.me/
[19:10] <Guest77> Yup got it, i was accessing lubuntu . net
[19:10] <SeeBergD> Tomreyn: Okay thank you for your advice, will probably install it again!
[19:12] <tomreyn> SeeBergD: yes, that's probably what you want. both desktop and server installer support it. it's a bit more complicated to setup with the server installer, but you get more flexibility there, too.
[19:14] <SeeBergD> Thank you, tomreyn!
[19:16] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:42] <matt3> hello : dreaming an ubuntu solid ... i think xorg + display manager is double ... why not xorg and stop with inside gnome or cinnamonn or mate ...
[19:42] <arraybolt3> I think you're describing Wayland vs. X?
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Wayland has the display manager and display server all in one thing.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> It should be the default display manager mode on Ubuntu 22.04 and higher.
[19:43] <oerheks> +1 both sessions are installed standard
[19:43] <arraybolt3> (Might have been even before that but I don't remember.)
[19:45] <matt3> arraybolt3 : thanks very much : studing wayland ... :D
[19:48] <matt3> yes, reading, very fine i am happy ... thanks
[19:51] <matt3> cu tomorrow, thanks 4 Wayland ...
[20:04] <jhutchins> Many of the functions of a display manager are surplus for a single-user workstation.
[20:34] <mjt0k> Hi! What's the kernel package name on Ubuntu? I can't seem to find linux-image-amd64 in main - the one which I usually install on Debian..  Is it linux-image-generic?
[20:37] <mjt0k> ..looks like it is
[20:45] <alkisg> mjt0k: usually linux-generic-hwe-22.04, which includes the newer kernels and their headers
[20:46] <mjt0k> aha! thank you! :)
[20:47] <pycurious> tomreyn: have you ever encrypted an external drive from ubuntu? Perhaps with a password - so that it can only be mounted using a password used as a key for encryption.
[21:06] <ravage> Disks can do that
[21:37] <jilocasin> evening everyone
[21:37] <jilocasin> can anyone point me in the direction of some docs on how to upgrade ubuntu server 22.04.1 to 22.04.5? thanks.
[21:39] <oerheks> just run sudo apt dist-upgrade # and reboot
[21:39] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[21:40] <jilocasin> oerheks: did, doesn't do anything
[21:41] <oerheks> really? so what kernel do you have now?
[21:41] <jilocasin> oerheks: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:42] <oerheks> oh, 22.04.5 is not out .. we are all at 22.04.1 now.
[21:43] <jilocasin> oerheks: 5.15.0-52-generic
[21:43] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:43] <jilocasin> oerheks: k, no .2, or .3, etc.?
[21:43] <oerheks> 22.04.2 will be ready in feb '23
[21:43] <jilocasin> oerheks: thanks, good to know.
[21:44] <oerheks> have fun! you are up2date
[21:44] <jilocasin> oerheks: wanted to make sure this box is fully current *before* I start loading it up.
[21:44] <jilocasin> oerheks: :>
[21:44] <jilocasin> thanks for all you help.
[22:12] <brkcore>  can i see the progress of moving files in terminal, if I started it with gui?
[22:12] <brkcore> moving big files from vm to usb
[22:12] <brkcore> stuck on 6 hrs left
[22:15] <oerheks> one could see the size of the usb, repeatedly to check progress..
[22:15] <oerheks> maybe even with your filemanager
[22:16] <brkcore> I can see only the speed varies with +/- 0.01kbs (moving it with around 248kb/s
[22:16] <brkcore> maybe something wrong with a file that is moving now
[22:19] <brkcore> its been 3 hours already i forgot what im moving
[22:22] <oerheks> good luck!
[22:22] <brkcore> if I see which file is taking so long i can delete it so it can carry on moving the next files
[22:23] <oerheks> well, crossposting is not helping ..
[22:24] <brkcore> i didnt expect someone will answer thats why , sorry
[22:31] <jhutchins> brkcore: rsync -av?
[22:32] <jhutchins> brkcore: rsync -av --progress?
[22:32] <jhutchins> brkcore: What command are you using to move?
[22:33] <brkcore> jhutchins, rsyng -av progress  error syntax
[22:33] <brkcore> jhutchins, i used gui
[22:33] <jhutchins> brkcore: man rsync to get the correct syntax, but I think it's what I suggested, --progress
[22:33] <xx> never use gui for stuff that matters
[22:34] <xx> gui fails in unexpected ways and gives no helpful logging
[22:34] <brkcore> jhutchins, yes its correct, it works
[22:34] <jhutchins> brkcore: There's an old tradition that abreviated (single letter) options are - and full-word options are --
[22:35] <jhutchins> brkcore: The rsync command will also skip any portion of the file already copied.
[22:35] <brkcore> I see now pdf file is moving with 8/37kb/s
[22:35] <jhutchins> brkcore: You _can_ tell rsync to delete after moving, but it's probably better to copy-then-clean.
[22:36] <brkcore> jhutchins, can rsync delete a file that is already moving?
[22:36] <jhutchins> brkcore: That requires a better knowledge of the processes involved and where they are in progress.
[22:37] <brkcore> in general all files are mobing very slow, i was thinking its because im moving very big file
[22:37] <jhutchins> brkcore: There is no actual "move" operation.  There are only copy and delete.
[22:37] <brkcore> but now with rsync I see even small files are moving slow
[22:38] <brkcore> jhutchins, mhm, thats right good point
[22:38] <jhutchins> (Actually, there is no "copy", just "read" and "write".
[22:39] <brkcore> yeah, its writing
[22:40] <brkcore> and its writing with 240kb/s for almost 3 hours now. 6 hours left. That's not right
[23:02] <brkcore> but what could be the reason for such a slow writing on the usb? the VM is set to use 3.0 controller , the speed is under 30kn/s
[23:03] <brkcore> the port is 2.0 and the usb is v3.0
[23:35] <acidlist> hi all
[23:40] <MonoL> Hi
[23:40] <acidlist> hi monol
[23:42] <MonoL> If I do "conda list" I see the anaconda-navigator 2.3.2.. great but how do I run it?
[23:44] <MonoL> anaconda-navigator: command not found