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[17:36] <synthriffsgirl[m> hello is the latest version of qtractor installed on ubuntu studio?
[17:36] <synthriffsgirl[m> I have latest ubuntu studio
[18:06] <OvenWerks> synthriffsgirl[m: so far as I can tell, ubuntu ships 0.9.27
[18:07] <OvenWerks> which is two releases back from https://www.qtractor.org/qtractor-downloads.html
[18:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: might be willing to add newer ones to our backports ppa.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> It kinda depends on what releases debian has hanging around
[18:25] <synthriffsgirl[m> is it possible to update to the latest version? many new features are added in that one
[18:27] <synthriffsgirl[m> i'm a beginner, what's meant by 'backports"?
[18:28] <synthriffsgirl[m> so currently it's not possible to update to latest qtractor using ubuntu's repository since there is no newer package online, right?
[18:28] <OvenWerks> That appears to be correct
[18:29] <OvenWerks> my .27 is already from the backports PPA
[18:29] <synthriffsgirl[m> I think it's important , because ubuntu studio focuses on audio, graphics, .., to have especially latest versions of those software :)
[18:29] <synthriffsgirl[m> backport = ? I don't know why it's called that way
[18:29] <OvenWerks> We do try to keep up, but there are constrants to what we can do too. I think our packager is away this week.
[18:30] <synthriffsgirl[m> is it generally true the same ubuntu packages are used for ubuntu studio?
[18:30] <synthriffsgirl[m> so what i find in ubuntu = what i find in studio?
[18:30] <OvenWerks>  see https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:31] <OvenWerks> it is genmerally true yes, except for the backports PPA which tries to do a better job and often has newer versions than the standard ubuntu versions
[18:32] <OvenWerks> synthriffsgirl[m: in ubuntu studio, in the menu under system you should find the ubuntustudio-intaller
[18:33] <OvenWerks> At the bottom of that application (applet?) there is a button to enable backports ppa.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> if you click on that (and wait while it plays around for a while) normal upgrades will pull in the latest version we have at the time
[18:34] <synthriffsgirl[m> thx!
[18:34] <OvenWerks> rather than what the main repositories have
[18:34] <synthriffsgirl[m> the main repo = the ubuntu one, right?
[18:35] <OvenWerks> yes
[18:35] <synthriffsgirl[m> so the get specific studio updates, i need the backports?
[18:35] <OvenWerks> it is actually a collection of three of them I think.
[18:35] <synthriffsgirl[m> ok :) when the packager is back, will the latest qtractor be there ?
[18:36] <synthriffsgirl[m> i use it a lot but i have no knowledge of compiling :( i wait for update package
[18:36] <OvenWerks> ask Eickmeyer[m] he pops in here once and a while even when away.
[18:36] <synthriffsgirl[m> also ardour is 6.9 while 7.0 is here. maybe i can request this too? it's a HUGE update
[18:37] <OvenWerks> it sure is, and I expect it is planed (actually 7.1 or maybe 7.2
[18:37] <OvenWerks> I think 7.1 is out but there are some bugs in it that will likely lead to a 7.2 very shortly
[18:40] <OvenWerks> I have worked on ardour in the past on remote control stuff such as MIDI controllers and OSC controllers, The foldback monitoring chunk is probably the most visible bit I add to ardour though. but that was all 6.* stuff I have been too busy of late.
[18:40] <synthriffsgirl[m> what about adding software synths to ubuntu studio pre-installed? or this not a good idea?
[18:41] <synthriffsgirl[m> for example surge-xt, ...
[18:41] <OvenWerks> There are some already
[18:41] <synthriffsgirl[m> ow! what ones? I didn't see them
[18:41] <synthriffsgirl[m> i'm still a beginner :D
[18:46] <OvenWerks> two places: look under audio production instruments for one (these will require jack to be running) or from ardour or qtractor use a plugin. 
[18:47] <OvenWerks> I don't think surge is there though. however, there are downloads for surge for linux on their website: https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/releases-xt/releases
[18:48] <OvenWerks> The *.deb file should just install or maybe better use the 
[18:48] <OvenWerks> surge-xt-linux-1.1.2-pluginsonly.tar.gz download and put them in a place they can be found. gimme a sec.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> The archive comes with both lv2 and vst3 plugins. both synth and effects. If you have only one user you can copy or move them into ~/.lv2 or .vst  I tend to favour the LV2 versions.
[18:56] <OvenWerks> If you feel ardour or qtractor are a bit heavyweight for just running plugins, Carla will work as just a plugin rack.
[19:01] <OvenWerks> Yup, that makes noise  :)
[19:02]  * OvenWerks is anoyed with file names that use spaces
[19:06] <OvenWerks> Surge XT is open source (GPL3.0) and so in theory could be added to ubuntu ( Eickmeyer[m] ??)
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> synthriffsgirl[m, OvenWerks: RE: qtractor: I saw some stuff coming from Debian that could be backported, but I've been rather focused on the Ubuntu Summit coming up this next week where I'm presenting. RE: Ardour: 7.0 is in the Ardour Backports, just unannounced (again, time constraints). RE: Surge XT: was working on it, again, time constraints.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: No rush, I think synthriffsgirl[m was just happy that new stuff would just show up if he enabled backports
[20:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: should we add an other button on installer for ardour? :)
[20:30] <OvenWerks> maybe not needed.
[20:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Nah, it only gets added if Ardour releases a new major version when there's an LTS still hanging around. This is one of those times. Last time we had to this was when 6.0 came out.
[22:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: one might argue that all other releases are bug fixes and should be back ported  :)
[22:28] <synthriffsgirl[m> Eickmeyer: thx. Surge should really be added because it's GREAT
[22:29] <synthriffsgirl[m> OvenWerks:  if I install the .deb file of surge, should qtractor and ardour find the plugin automatically? Or do I need to do more things?
[22:30] <synthriffsgirl[m> OvenWerks: i prefer the .deb because i don't know anything about folders to put my plugins
[22:34] <synthriffsgirl[m> OvenWerks: so basically I want to know if the DAWs in ubuntu studio find the plugins automatically after installing a new plugin , using a .deb file. Thanks for the help
[22:37] <synthriffsgirl[m> Eickmeyer: can Dexed be added too? https://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/
[22:40] <synthriffsgirl[m> Both dexed and surge-xt have a standalone version so that's cool too to add in the menu somewhere. So they work without a DAW
[22:52] <synthriffsgirl[m> as a beginner, I want to ask: is the only fundamental difference between ubuntu and ubuntu studio that studio uses a low latency kernel and ubuntu not?
[22:52] <synthriffsgirl[m> (and of course the use of KDE)
[22:52] <synthriffsgirl[m> or is there more things different between?
[22:57] <synthriffsgirl[m> Eickmeyer: any interest in adding this one too? https://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.io/ I know there is yoshimi already there, but this one is also having a nice GUI :)