| JanC | when you have no problems of your own, you could start fixing other people's... | 00:23 |
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| daftykins | IRC support is used as a substitute for thought, in short... not worth it | 00:25 |
| wez | daftykins: Some people use IRC as google, but those people are generally given links to read first | 00:47 |
| daftykins | yes i did a decade in #ubuntu | 00:49 |
| wez | :) | 00:53 |
| wez | me too | 00:53 |
| wez | although under freenode, obviously not libera :( | 00:53 |
| wez | :) | 00:53 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:46 |
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| tomreyn | arraybolt3: you will need a lot of patience there with both BlueSmoke and n9nu. the former is not good at explaining themselves, the latter likes to jump to conclusions and to provide mediocre advice. i already gave up. | 21:33 |
| arraybolt3 | tomreyn: Thanks for the heads up :) | 21:34 |
| tomreyn | also no (current) backups, and the cause presented for this situation may be misleading. still, hopefully you can help - good luck! :) | 21:36 |
| arraybolt3 | tomreyn: Oy, that's good to know. | 21:37 |
| arraybolt3 | Man, glad you gave me a heads-up, this is confusing. I can't tell whether he made a backup already or not :-/ | 21:58 |
| arraybolt3 | Whew, OK, he does have a drive clone. Alright, nevermind, we're good! | 22:01 |
| tomreyn | :) | 22:02 |
| Jeremy31 | Been a while since I did clones | 22:04 |
| Jeremy31 | I only do them before I try something I know I can screw up | 22:05 |
| arraybolt3 | Heh, they sure are useful for that. (We're trying to do fsck on a drive with possibly critical data, so this is exactly when they come in handy.) | 22:06 |
| Jeremy31 | I cloned a Win 10 drive before I tried installing Ubuntu on it after remembering what happened years ago with Win 8, although I didn't mind Win 8 being lost | 22:08 |
| arraybolt3 | I have a ton of drive clones on my main backup disk. Various dead or dying computers with really important data that may have been copy-protected or malware-infested. My computing life before Linux was a disaster. | 22:09 |
| Jeremy31 | I cant remember getting any malware or virus on my computers but I didn't have much luck with HDD lifespan years ago | 22:12 |
| arraybolt3 | Man, for me it was like I'd get a computer hacked once a year or so when I used Windows. | 22:13 |
| arraybolt3 | (My dad wasn't particularly good at safe downloading.) | 22:13 |
| Jeremy31 | Sounds like my uncle | 22:13 |
| Jeremy31 | arraybolt3: my speedtest https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905241810 | 22:17 |
| arraybolt3 | ?! | 22:17 |
| arraybolt3 | What... in creation... is wrong with your network. Since when is an asymmetric network favorable towards upload speeds. | 22:17 |
| Jeremy31 | I am on a 4G hotspot in the middle of nowhere | 22:18 |
| daftykins | how's fast.com fare? | 22:19 |
| arraybolt3 | Here's mine: https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905247105 | 22:19 |
| oerheks | and mine.. https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905248635 | 22:20 |
| oerheks | 20 mb updates sounds fine to me. | 22:20 |
| arraybolt3 | I do ISO downloads on my connection and I'm OK. | 22:21 |
| arraybolt3 | (I can get speeds about as good as oerheks if I put my hotspot in just the right location on my window. | 22:21 |
| arraybolt3 | ) | 22:21 |
| Jeremy31 | I usually get about 10 down and 5 up on mine. not sure what is going on now | 22:21 |
| oerheks | yes, i have cheap internet with a free tv. | 22:21 |
| daftykins | a nice and high window i hope :) | 22:22 |
| oerheks | philips, with ambilight | 22:22 |
| arraybolt3 | oerheks: What's your provider? | 22:22 |
| oerheks | KPN | 22:22 |
| arraybolt3 | (I'm using Calyx Institute.) | 22:22 |
| oerheks | ziggo is mucgh faster, but less reliable | 22:23 |
| Jeremy31 | I can stream HD TV on my phone on 4G, no 5G here from my provider but my last provider couldn't get me a decent 4G connection at all | 22:23 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh you're not in the US, nevermind that wouldn't help me. | 22:23 |
| oerheks | no, no, i live in a tax paradise. | 22:23 |
| Jeremy31 | I switched from US Cellular to AT&T | 22:23 |
| arraybolt3 | Is that... good or bad? | 22:23 |
| arraybolt3 | oerheks: ^ | 22:23 |
| daftykins | i mean i think it's me that's really in the tax paradise ;) | 22:24 |
| Jeremy31 | Sounds like no income tax' | 22:24 |
| daftykins | no sales tax here | 22:24 |
| oerheks | we have the biggest tax evading companies | 22:24 |
| oerheks | nike, rolling stones, and more | 22:24 |
| arraybolt3 | Over here they tax just about everything, income, groceries, fast food, some online purchases, etc. But we get free road repair and libraries as a result so... | 22:26 |
| arraybolt3 | I mean taxes are there for a reason. Someone has to pay for the work. I wouldn't like to have to pay to have the bridge near me entirely rebuilt when it needed it. | 22:26 |
| daftykins | different types o' tax really :P | 22:26 |
| daftykins | arraybolt3: are you sufficiently rural that you can't get anything decent ISP wise on a fixed line service? | 22:27 |
| arraybolt3 | daftykins: Not just nothing decent, but **nothing.** I can't even get 10MBit/s DSL out here. Even getting a landline telephone was a hassle, and we recently dropped that in favor of a cellular solution. | 22:27 |
| daftykins | ah good few miles from the nearest CO eh? | 22:28 |
| daftykins | as is the 'murican parlance :D | 22:28 |
| Jeremy31 | arraybolt3: do you live in SW WI? | 22:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Nope, Missouri. | 22:28 |
| oerheks | I could get Starlink too. | 22:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Even some of the cellular providers don't want anything to do with us :P | 22:28 |
| arraybolt3 | (AT&T and Rise Broadband being two examples, IIRC.) | 22:29 |
| Jeremy31 | ATT put up 18 towers in this county alone | 22:29 |
| daftykins | i'm picturing a house out in the middle o' nowhere near nobody else | 22:29 |
| arraybolt3 | daftykins: Funny thing, there's a good few houses around us. Just no ISPs... | 22:29 |
| Jeremy31 | I was in Missouri for 8 weeks back in 1989 | 22:29 |
| daftykins | you could set up a WISP! | 22:30 |
| daftykins | get commitments from all your neighbours, pay the big bucks for a fibre line to be installed, then sell service to them all :) | 22:30 |
| Jeremy31 | Fibre is still 2 miles from me, maybe next year they will extend it | 22:31 |
| arraybolt3 | LOL that would be fun. A couple of GBit lines would do the trick. Of course I'd have to pay an arm and a leg and probably my liver in order to get a fiber line out here, if they're even willing to do it. | 22:31 |
| daftykins | i read of Orcas Island off Seattle doing it when they got tired of the resident cable ISP being terrible and spending most of the time down, seemed pretty neat | 22:32 |
| Jeremy31 | I am not paying for 2 miles of fibre install based on google results | 22:33 |
| arraybolt3 | At any rate, Calyx does reach out here, so I'm happy for now. The hotspot's WiFi is weak, but that might be fixable with enough effort. I just haven't had the willingness to do the effort so I put up with slower speeds. | 22:33 |
| daftykins | it's not a proper router unit that you can plug into then? i still have a Huawei 5G trial router at a clients place here | 22:33 |
| daftykins | i put it on his top floor in a window facing the mobile tower :D | 22:34 |
| arraybolt3 | No, it's a hotspot. T-Mobile Franklin T9 to be specific. | 22:34 |
| arraybolt3 | Ot | 22:34 |
| arraybolt3 | It's about the size of a small graham cracker. | 22:34 |
| Jeremy31 | arraybolt3: I had a cellular router with an antenna outside that wouldn't maintain a decent connection, then I switched to AT&T | 22:34 |
| daftykins | looking at it now, yeah more of a MiFi | 22:35 |
| arraybolt3 | AT&T cellular doesn't like us out here :( | 22:35 |
| arraybolt3 | Like the phones would probably work, but the fixed wireless isn't available. | 22:35 |
| * arraybolt3 should go AFK, but this has been fun, see ya! | 22:35 | |
| daftykins | \o | 22:35 |
| Jeremy31 | I have one of these https://www.amazon.com/Netgear-Nighthawk-MR1100-GSM-Unlocked/dp/B07G5KWZ3H | 22:36 |
| daftykins | i'm on 60/10 VDSL2 on a ~600m copper pair direct to the exchange | 22:36 |
| daftykins | main telco is doing a fibre rollout right now though | 22:36 |
| Jeremy31 | My hotspot is $25/month for 20GB data, a bit cheaper than my old cell router was and it actually works | 22:38 |
| daftykins | i don't think that constitutes proof that one is inherently better than the other | 22:40 |
| Jeremy31 | Depends on where you are | 22:40 |
| daftykins | right but ruling out telco and location, just having a router device with SIM slot versus a little hotspot gadget as you call them, shouldn't be any different (assuming all band support matches) | 22:41 |
| Jeremy31 | My old cell provider must have had issues when they rolled out 5G as that is about the time my cellular router and phone started going really bad. | 22:43 |
| arraybolt3 | My cellular provider doesn't allow me to put the SIM in a non-Calyx device. | 22:44 |
| arraybolt3 | And I care about adhering to TOS so... | 22:44 |
| daftykins | where i live we don't have any of that locked device nonsense, too small | 22:45 |
| daftykins | but we are also a telephony blackhole | 22:45 |
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