[00:23] <JanC> when you have no problems of your own, you could start fixing other people's...
[00:25] <daftykins> IRC support is used as a substitute for thought, in short... not worth it
[00:47] <wez> daftykins: Some people use IRC as google, but those people are generally given links to read first
[00:49] <daftykins> yes i did a decade in #ubuntu
[00:53] <wez> :)
[00:53] <wez> me too
[00:53] <wez> although under freenode, obviously not libera :(
[00:53] <wez> :)
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[21:33] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: you will need a lot of patience there with both BlueSmoke and n9nu. the former is not good at explaining themselves, the latter likes to jump to conclusions and to provide mediocre advice. i already gave up.
[21:34] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: Thanks for the heads up :)
[21:36] <tomreyn> also no (current) backups, and the cause presented for this situation may be misleading. still, hopefully you can help - good luck! :)
[21:37] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: Oy, that's good to know.
[21:58] <arraybolt3> Man, glad you gave me a heads-up, this is confusing. I can't tell whether he made a backup already or not :-/
[22:01] <arraybolt3> Whew, OK, he does have a drive clone. Alright, nevermind, we're good!
[22:02] <tomreyn> :)
[22:04] <Jeremy31> Been a while since I did clones
[22:05] <Jeremy31> I only do them before I try something I know I can screw up
[22:06] <arraybolt3> Heh, they sure are useful for that. (We're trying to do fsck on a drive with possibly critical data, so this is exactly when they come in handy.)
[22:08] <Jeremy31> I cloned a Win 10 drive before I tried installing Ubuntu on it after remembering what happened years ago with Win 8, although I didn't mind Win 8 being lost
[22:09] <arraybolt3> I have a ton of drive clones on my main backup disk. Various dead or dying computers with really important data that may have been copy-protected or malware-infested. My computing life before Linux was a disaster.
[22:12] <Jeremy31> I cant remember getting any malware or virus on my computers but I didn't have much luck with HDD lifespan years ago
[22:13] <arraybolt3> Man, for me it was like I'd get a computer hacked once a year or so when I used Windows.
[22:13] <arraybolt3> (My dad wasn't particularly good at safe downloading.)
[22:13] <Jeremy31> Sounds like my uncle
[22:17] <Jeremy31> arraybolt3: my speedtest https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905241810 
[22:17] <arraybolt3> ?!
[22:17] <arraybolt3> What... in creation... is wrong with your network. Since when is an asymmetric network favorable towards upload speeds.
[22:18] <Jeremy31> I am on a 4G hotspot in the middle of nowhere
[22:19] <daftykins> how's fast.com fare?
[22:19] <arraybolt3> Here's mine: https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905247105
[22:20] <oerheks> and mine.. https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905248635
[22:20] <oerheks> 20 mb updates sounds fine to me.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> I do ISO downloads on my connection and I'm OK.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> (I can get speeds about as good as oerheks if I put my hotspot in just the right location on my window.
[22:21] <arraybolt3> )
[22:21] <Jeremy31> I usually get about 10 down and 5 up on mine. not sure what is going on now
[22:21] <oerheks> yes, i have cheap internet with a free tv.
[22:22] <daftykins> a nice and high window i hope :)
[22:22] <oerheks> philips, with ambilight
[22:22] <arraybolt3> oerheks: What's your provider?
[22:22] <oerheks> KPN
[22:22] <arraybolt3> (I'm using Calyx Institute.)
[22:23] <oerheks> ziggo is mucgh faster, but less reliable
[22:23] <Jeremy31> I can stream HD TV on my phone on 4G, no 5G here from my provider but my last provider couldn't get me a decent 4G connection at all
[22:23] <arraybolt3> Oh you're not in the US, nevermind that wouldn't help me.
[22:23] <oerheks> no, no, i live in a tax paradise.
[22:23] <Jeremy31> I switched from US Cellular to AT&T
[22:23] <arraybolt3> Is that... good or bad?
[22:23] <arraybolt3> oerheks: ^
[22:24] <daftykins> i mean i think it's me that's really in the tax paradise ;)
[22:24] <Jeremy31> Sounds like no income tax'
[22:24] <daftykins> no sales tax here
[22:24] <oerheks> we have the biggest tax evading companies 
[22:24] <oerheks> nike, rolling stones, and more
[22:26] <arraybolt3> Over here they tax just about everything, income, groceries, fast food, some online purchases, etc. But we get free road repair and libraries as a result so...
[22:26] <arraybolt3> I mean taxes are there for a reason. Someone has to pay for the work. I wouldn't like to have to pay to have the bridge near me entirely rebuilt when it needed it.
[22:26] <daftykins> different types o' tax really :P
[22:27] <daftykins> arraybolt3: are you sufficiently rural that you can't get anything decent ISP wise on a fixed line service?
[22:27] <arraybolt3> daftykins: Not just nothing decent, but **nothing.** I can't even get 10MBit/s DSL out here. Even getting a landline telephone was a hassle, and we recently dropped that in favor of a cellular solution.
[22:28] <daftykins> ah good few miles from the nearest CO eh?
[22:28] <daftykins> as is the 'murican parlance :D
[22:28] <Jeremy31> arraybolt3: do you live in SW WI?
[22:28] <arraybolt3> Nope, Missouri.
[22:28] <oerheks> I could get Starlink too.
[22:28] <arraybolt3> Even some of the cellular providers don't want anything to do with us :P
[22:29] <arraybolt3> (AT&T and Rise Broadband being two examples, IIRC.)
[22:29] <Jeremy31> ATT put up 18 towers in this county alone
[22:29] <daftykins> i'm picturing a house out in the middle o' nowhere near nobody else
[22:29] <arraybolt3> daftykins: Funny thing, there's a good few houses around us. Just no ISPs...
[22:29] <Jeremy31> I was in Missouri for 8 weeks back in 1989
[22:30] <daftykins> you could set up a WISP!
[22:30] <daftykins> get commitments from all your neighbours, pay the big bucks for a fibre line to be installed, then sell service to them all :)
[22:31] <Jeremy31> Fibre is still 2 miles from me, maybe next year they will extend it
[22:31] <arraybolt3> LOL that would be fun. A couple of GBit lines would do the trick. Of course I'd have to pay an arm and a leg and probably my liver in order to get a fiber line out here, if they're even willing to do it.
[22:32] <daftykins> i read of Orcas Island off Seattle doing it when they got tired of the resident cable ISP being terrible and spending most of the time down, seemed pretty neat
[22:33] <Jeremy31> I am not paying for 2 miles of fibre install based on google results
[22:33] <arraybolt3> At any rate, Calyx does reach out here, so I'm happy for now. The hotspot's WiFi is weak, but that might be fixable with enough effort. I just haven't had the willingness to do the effort so I put up with slower speeds.
[22:33] <daftykins> it's not a proper router unit that you can plug into then? i still have a Huawei 5G trial router at a clients place here
[22:34] <daftykins> i put it on his top floor in a window facing the mobile tower :D
[22:34] <arraybolt3> No, it's a hotspot. T-Mobile Franklin T9 to be specific.
[22:34] <arraybolt3> Ot
[22:34] <arraybolt3> It's about the size of a small graham cracker.
[22:34] <Jeremy31> arraybolt3: I had a cellular router with an antenna outside that wouldn't maintain a decent connection, then I switched to AT&T
[22:35] <daftykins> looking at it now, yeah more of a MiFi
[22:35] <arraybolt3> AT&T cellular doesn't like us out here :(
[22:35] <arraybolt3> Like the phones would probably work, but the fixed wireless isn't available.
[22:35]  * arraybolt3 should go AFK, but this has been fun, see ya!
[22:35] <daftykins> \o
[22:36] <Jeremy31> I have one of these https://www.amazon.com/Netgear-Nighthawk-MR1100-GSM-Unlocked/dp/B07G5KWZ3H
[22:36] <daftykins> i'm on 60/10 VDSL2 on a ~600m copper pair direct to the exchange
[22:36] <daftykins> main telco is doing a fibre rollout right now though
[22:38] <Jeremy31> My hotspot is $25/month for 20GB data, a bit cheaper than my old cell router was and it actually works
[22:40] <daftykins> i don't think that constitutes proof that one is inherently better than the other
[22:40] <Jeremy31> Depends on where you are
[22:41] <daftykins> right but ruling out telco and location, just having a router device with SIM slot versus a little hotspot gadget as you call them, shouldn't be any different (assuming all band support matches)
[22:43] <Jeremy31> My old cell provider must have had issues when they rolled out 5G as that is about the time my cellular router and phone started going really bad. 
[22:44] <arraybolt3> My cellular provider doesn't allow me to put the SIM in a non-Calyx device.
[22:44] <arraybolt3> And I care about adhering to TOS so...
[22:45] <daftykins> where i live we don't have any of that locked device nonsense, too small 
[22:45] <daftykins> but we are also a telephony blackhole