[00:23] when you have no problems of your own, you could start fixing other people's... [00:25] IRC support is used as a substitute for thought, in short... not worth it [00:47] daftykins: Some people use IRC as google, but those people are generally given links to read first [00:49] yes i did a decade in #ubuntu [00:53] :) [00:53] me too [00:53] although under freenode, obviously not libera :( [00:53] :) [01:46] good morning === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === anderson_ is now known as anderson === anderson_ is now known as anderson === ledeni_ is now known as ledeni === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn === pizzaiolo is now known as pizza === EriC^^_ is now known as EriC^^ [21:33] arraybolt3: you will need a lot of patience there with both BlueSmoke and n9nu. the former is not good at explaining themselves, the latter likes to jump to conclusions and to provide mediocre advice. i already gave up. [21:34] tomreyn: Thanks for the heads up :) [21:36] also no (current) backups, and the cause presented for this situation may be misleading. still, hopefully you can help - good luck! :) [21:37] tomreyn: Oy, that's good to know. [21:58] Man, glad you gave me a heads-up, this is confusing. I can't tell whether he made a backup already or not :-/ [22:01] Whew, OK, he does have a drive clone. Alright, nevermind, we're good! [22:02] :) [22:04] Been a while since I did clones [22:05] I only do them before I try something I know I can screw up [22:06] Heh, they sure are useful for that. (We're trying to do fsck on a drive with possibly critical data, so this is exactly when they come in handy.) [22:08] I cloned a Win 10 drive before I tried installing Ubuntu on it after remembering what happened years ago with Win 8, although I didn't mind Win 8 being lost [22:09] I have a ton of drive clones on my main backup disk. Various dead or dying computers with really important data that may have been copy-protected or malware-infested. My computing life before Linux was a disaster. [22:12] I cant remember getting any malware or virus on my computers but I didn't have much luck with HDD lifespan years ago [22:13] Man, for me it was like I'd get a computer hacked once a year or so when I used Windows. [22:13] (My dad wasn't particularly good at safe downloading.) [22:13] Sounds like my uncle [22:17] arraybolt3: my speedtest https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905241810 [22:17] ?! [22:17] What... in creation... is wrong with your network. Since when is an asymmetric network favorable towards upload speeds. [22:18] I am on a 4G hotspot in the middle of nowhere [22:19] how's fast.com fare? [22:19] Here's mine: https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905247105 [22:20] and mine.. https://www.speedtest.net/result/13905248635 [22:20] 20 mb updates sounds fine to me. [22:21] I do ISO downloads on my connection and I'm OK. [22:21] (I can get speeds about as good as oerheks if I put my hotspot in just the right location on my window. [22:21] ) [22:21] I usually get about 10 down and 5 up on mine. not sure what is going on now [22:21] yes, i have cheap internet with a free tv. [22:22] a nice and high window i hope :) [22:22] philips, with ambilight [22:22] oerheks: What's your provider? [22:22] KPN [22:22] (I'm using Calyx Institute.) [22:23] ziggo is mucgh faster, but less reliable [22:23] I can stream HD TV on my phone on 4G, no 5G here from my provider but my last provider couldn't get me a decent 4G connection at all [22:23] Oh you're not in the US, nevermind that wouldn't help me. [22:23] no, no, i live in a tax paradise. [22:23] I switched from US Cellular to AT&T [22:23] Is that... good or bad? [22:23] oerheks: ^ [22:24] i mean i think it's me that's really in the tax paradise ;) [22:24] Sounds like no income tax' [22:24] no sales tax here [22:24] we have the biggest tax evading companies [22:24] nike, rolling stones, and more [22:26] Over here they tax just about everything, income, groceries, fast food, some online purchases, etc. But we get free road repair and libraries as a result so... [22:26] I mean taxes are there for a reason. Someone has to pay for the work. I wouldn't like to have to pay to have the bridge near me entirely rebuilt when it needed it. [22:26] different types o' tax really :P [22:27] arraybolt3: are you sufficiently rural that you can't get anything decent ISP wise on a fixed line service? [22:27] daftykins: Not just nothing decent, but **nothing.** I can't even get 10MBit/s DSL out here. Even getting a landline telephone was a hassle, and we recently dropped that in favor of a cellular solution. [22:28] ah good few miles from the nearest CO eh? [22:28] as is the 'murican parlance :D [22:28] arraybolt3: do you live in SW WI? [22:28] Nope, Missouri. [22:28] I could get Starlink too. [22:28] Even some of the cellular providers don't want anything to do with us :P [22:29] (AT&T and Rise Broadband being two examples, IIRC.) [22:29] ATT put up 18 towers in this county alone [22:29] i'm picturing a house out in the middle o' nowhere near nobody else [22:29] daftykins: Funny thing, there's a good few houses around us. Just no ISPs... [22:29] I was in Missouri for 8 weeks back in 1989 [22:30] you could set up a WISP! [22:30] get commitments from all your neighbours, pay the big bucks for a fibre line to be installed, then sell service to them all :) [22:31] Fibre is still 2 miles from me, maybe next year they will extend it [22:31] LOL that would be fun. A couple of GBit lines would do the trick. Of course I'd have to pay an arm and a leg and probably my liver in order to get a fiber line out here, if they're even willing to do it. [22:32] i read of Orcas Island off Seattle doing it when they got tired of the resident cable ISP being terrible and spending most of the time down, seemed pretty neat [22:33] I am not paying for 2 miles of fibre install based on google results [22:33] At any rate, Calyx does reach out here, so I'm happy for now. The hotspot's WiFi is weak, but that might be fixable with enough effort. I just haven't had the willingness to do the effort so I put up with slower speeds. [22:33] it's not a proper router unit that you can plug into then? i still have a Huawei 5G trial router at a clients place here [22:34] i put it on his top floor in a window facing the mobile tower :D [22:34] No, it's a hotspot. T-Mobile Franklin T9 to be specific. [22:34] Ot [22:34] It's about the size of a small graham cracker. [22:34] arraybolt3: I had a cellular router with an antenna outside that wouldn't maintain a decent connection, then I switched to AT&T [22:35] looking at it now, yeah more of a MiFi [22:35] AT&T cellular doesn't like us out here :( [22:35] Like the phones would probably work, but the fixed wireless isn't available. [22:35] * arraybolt3 should go AFK, but this has been fun, see ya! [22:35] \o [22:36] I have one of these https://www.amazon.com/Netgear-Nighthawk-MR1100-GSM-Unlocked/dp/B07G5KWZ3H [22:36] i'm on 60/10 VDSL2 on a ~600m copper pair direct to the exchange [22:36] main telco is doing a fibre rollout right now though [22:38] My hotspot is $25/month for 20GB data, a bit cheaper than my old cell router was and it actually works [22:40] i don't think that constitutes proof that one is inherently better than the other [22:40] Depends on where you are [22:41] right but ruling out telco and location, just having a router device with SIM slot versus a little hotspot gadget as you call them, shouldn't be any different (assuming all band support matches) [22:43] My old cell provider must have had issues when they rolled out 5G as that is about the time my cellular router and phone started going really bad. [22:44] My cellular provider doesn't allow me to put the SIM in a non-Calyx device. [22:44] And I care about adhering to TOS so... [22:45] where i live we don't have any of that locked device nonsense, too small [22:45] but we are also a telephony blackhole