[00:01] <tt94> You think canonical would go as far to remove all debs (including flatpak) and replace them purely with snaps?
[00:18] <murmel> tt94: I mean they already have a distro which is debless
[00:40] <Y05hito__> Isn't snaps supposed to integrate library depencies etc? like a small virtual environment for the app. cause the deb packages are using the systems installed files, shared libraries etc. If yes, removing the use of deb files is a non-sense, except if the snaps can be really part of the system, and not being 'mounted' like a virtual file systems, with things compiled in their own box.
[00:44] <murmel> Y05hito__: why? I mean they contain almost everything to run the app you "snapped up". you can also depend on other snaps (for example gnome or a cli snap). but yeah, they contain everything so they don't interact too much with the rest of the system
[00:49] <Y05hito__> murmel, yeah if they can share snaps one app and the other, that would prevent things to get much larger for nothing...with different version of same libs or resources per snaps etc, but virtualized package apps 'mounted' on the filesystem is a bit weird. But i don't know.
[00:50] <Y05hito__> One advantage is that it's more portable i guess, the snap can run on many more platforms without modifications maybe. Linux distribs etc. Like a windows .zip files with the .exe and .dll inside.
[00:56] <murmel> Y05hito__: yes, and honestly, I am pretty sure most people don't care too much about space nowadays, as disks (also ssds) are quite big already. additionally, we always forget that linux uses way less space than the other 2 oses (bsd excluded)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[17:02] <Intelo> Linux, I believe and guess, isn't that stable as freebsd is. Or is it just ubuntu and I should try another distro? anyway, with specially UI, it bloats under heavy load. Now the problem is that Linux has a lot of utilities that I am used to an need. Some configs, shortcuts etc. Until I find a way, how can I run both linux and freebsd at the same
[17:02] <Intelo> time? I thought of installing freebsd as guess and linux as host in virtualbox. Or vice versa is better? Or any other option? I think virtualbox based virtualization will be a bottleneck somewhere? Do I have other options? I need to run both at the same time in the start so that I can use in linux what freebsd does not have (or I do not yet get an
[17:02] <Intelo> alternative/solution)? Any thoughts?
[17:04] <daftykins> what do you find unstable?
[17:06] <Intelo> bloat/slowness
[17:06] <Intelo> unresponsiveness
[17:06] <daftykins> those are not synonyms of instability
[17:11] <Intelo> daftykins I hope you got my feelings despite that
[17:12] <amacater_> Intelo: I'd suggest, if you can, explaining what you mean by bloats under heavy load. 
[17:12] <daftykins> i prescribe to a world where we use accurate words to convey things, so that the wrong end of the stick isn't grabbed
[17:12] <leftyfb> btw, this conversation is also going on in #ubuntu-offtopic 
[17:13] <amacater_> I'd also definitely *NOT* suggest using virtualbox under any circumstances, since some of the extension packs are personal use only. Use KVM and virt-manager, perhaps?
[17:13] <amacater_> "Linux isn't as stable" covers an awful lot of ground :)
[17:13] <Intelo> amacater_ I see. so I should use KVM or qemu or any other?
[17:14] <amacater_> Install a gui and virt-manager and it will probably offer to install KVM/qemu for you :)
[17:14] <Intelo> kvm != qemu?
[17:15] <daftykins> oh a cross-poster, nice
[17:15]  * daftykins walks away
[17:15] <amacater_> If you're only used to freebsd, I'd suggest strongly that you install Ubuntu somewhere and learn how it works first.
[17:16] <amacater_> Particularly the Debian/Ubuntu way of installing software packages and their dependencies.
[17:18] <Intelo> amacater_ I am used to ubuntu and want to migrate to stabler solutions like fbsd
[17:19] <amacater_> I'd suggest moving to Debian first since that will work similarly to Ubuntu - but advocacy for other distributions is probably offtopic here (and on #ubuntu-offtopic).
[17:22] <Intelo> amacater_ debian is far more stable than ubuntu?
[17:24] <leftyfb> Intelo: nobody here is going to discuss Debian or *BSD being better than Ubuntu/Linux. Try #linux or continue with your discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic 
[17:24] <Intelo> ok . thanks
[17:24] <Intelo> amacater_ would you join #linux ?