| sil2100 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| teward | *grumbles* i need coffee | 16:01 |
| * kanashiro[m] waves | 16:02 | |
| utkarsh2102 | hey | 16:02 |
| bdmurray | o/ | 16:02 |
| rbasak | o/ | 16:02 |
| utkarsh2102 | should I start? | 16:03 |
| sil2100 | Yes please, if you can | 16:04 |
| * sil2100 is semi-awayish today | 16:04 | |
| utkarsh2102 | #startmeeting Developer Membership Board | 16:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 16:04:16 UTC. The chair is utkarsh2102. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 16:04 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick | 16:04 |
| utkarsh2102 | hi, everyone! \o | 16:04 |
| utkarsh2102 | I'll dive into the application bits straightaway | 16:04 |
| utkarsh2102 | #topic MOTU Applications | 16:04 |
| utkarsh2102 | #subtopic Frank Heimes | 16:05 |
| utkarsh2102 | it's been a while on that one | 16:05 |
| utkarsh2102 | the voting moved to ML | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | That's my fault and I'm sorry. I was away for quite a bit but will look at it this week. | 16:05 |
| utkarsh2102 | okeydoke, thank you! :) | 16:06 |
| utkarsh2102 | #action bdmurray to vote on the application. | 16:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bdmurray to vote on the application. | 16:06 |
| utkarsh2102 | (otherwise no more Indian hot sauce for you, heh :)) | 16:06 |
| utkarsh2102 | next.. | 16:06 |
| utkarsh2102 | #subtopic Dave Jones | 16:06 |
| utkarsh2102 | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DaveJones/MOTUApplication | 16:06 |
| utkarsh2102 | waveform: hellu! \o | 16:07 |
| waveform | hello! | 16:07 |
| utkarsh2102 | please introduce yourself, meanwhile we'll go through the application! | 16:07 |
| waveform | certainly... | 16:07 |
| rbasak | o/ I'm a personal friend of waveform's, so I intend to abstain. | 16:07 |
| waveform | bah, there goes one vote ;) | 16:07 |
| waveform | (to be read in the voice of Troy McClure); Hi! I'm Dave. You may remember me from such disasters as "Eoan Ermine -- breaking USB on the most popular Pi at the time", or "Focal Fossa -- how not to structure a Pi's boot config". I work for the Ubuntu Foundations team, wrangling our favourite little SBC, and trying not to break too many things in the process (with varying degrees of success) | 16:08 |
| bdmurray | I was ready to vote but then I heard that elevator pitch | 16:09 |
| waveform | I'm applying for MOTU to avoid my current Pi PPU inexorably expanding to cover the known universe as I bung more and more hardware-enablement packages for various bits of hardware into the archive :) | 16:09 |
| utkarsh2102 | hehe, nice | 16:09 |
| utkarsh2102 | https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=dave.jones%40canonical.com&sponsoree_search=email -> holy shiz | 16:09 |
| waveform | meh, most of it is an absolute pile of rebuilds sponsored by ginggs to do with a nasty dh bug I helped fix | 16:10 |
| utkarsh2102 | >> Areas of Improvement | 16:10 |
| utkarsh2102 | > One. He should have applied for MOTU/Core Dev earlier. | 16:10 |
| waveform | (so you can ignore a lot of it) | 16:10 |
| utkarsh2102 | * > > Areas of Improvement | 16:10 |
| utkarsh2102 | > One. He should have applied for MOTU/Core Dev earlier. | 16:10 |
| utkarsh2102 | nice! | 16:10 |
| utkarsh2102 | okeydoke | 16:11 |
| utkarsh2102 | I'll open the floor for questions | 16:11 |
| * utkarsh2102 stomps the floor thrice | 16:12 | |
| utkarsh2102 | there^ :) | 16:12 |
| utkarsh2102 | waveform: have you done any +1 maintenance or shadowed any? | 16:13 |
| teward | i'm split between this and a work call so patience will be needed on my front | 16:13 |
| waveform | utkarsh2102, no I haven't -- and I'm in no particular rush to add to my already amply overflowing plate | 16:13 |
| utkarsh2102 | ok, fair! | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | waveform: But I am correct in thinking you've done proposed migration work for Foundations packages? | 16:14 |
| waveform | yes | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | In that case do you feel like you are familiar with the +1 maint process? | 16:15 |
| chiluk | o/ | 16:15 |
| utkarsh2102 | waveform: ok, what if you don't get your answers in update_excuses.html whilst doing proposed migration? where do you look or what do you do next? | 16:16 |
| waveform | bdmurray, if it's anything like proposed migration, then ... maybe. As noted in the application however I've never handled a transition | 16:16 |
| waveform | utkarsh2102, usually digging into the logs of the particular failure. For instance, last week I was assigned distro-info which was blocking ... erm ... distro-info. In the end that turned out to be a failure of its test-suite and several packages down the chain was python3-wrapt which was the actual failure | 16:17 |
| waveform | (a casualty of a deprecated piece of inspect getting removed in py 3.11) | 16:17 |
| utkarsh2102 | I meant, what if you don't find anything relevant in there and everything is passing but still the package hasn't migrated. | 16:18 |
| utkarsh2102 | can such a case arise? | 16:18 |
| waveform | presumably -- in fact I think I've even seen it in the dim and distant past but I can't recall what was going on on that occasion | 16:19 |
| utkarsh2102 | uh, okay! | 16:20 |
| waveform | at that point I'd probably go and ask one of the deeply grey-bearded members of the team what on earth was going on | 16:20 |
| utkarsh2102 | okeydoke | 16:21 |
| utkarsh2102 | I don't really have a grey beard yet, it's gonna be a while but you can ask me :) | 16:21 |
| kanashiro[m] | waveform: since you did not work on any transition yet, what would you do to make sure you are not triggering one when uploading a package? | 16:21 |
| waveform | the reverse dependencies; reverse-depends src: is a handy check but much of the time it's pretty obvious if there are none (e.g. I know nothing deps on rpi-imager) | 16:22 |
| waveform | (and likewise I know even though debhelper has seemingly few reverse-deps messing with it involves *lots* of rebuilds!) | 16:23 |
| kanashiro[m] | but is there anything that you can look in the package to make sure a transition will not be triggered? | 16:23 |
| waveform | in the package itself? Nothing guaranteed that I can think of | 16:26 |
| kanashiro[m] | in the case of a library you could check if there is a soname bump for instance | 16:28 |
| waveform | sure, the soname may change, but if nothing in the archive depends on it, presumably that's not a transition? | 16:29 |
| kanashiro[m] | you are right, but then there is no reason to have a shared library :) | 16:30 |
| waveform | there's plenty of libraries with zero rev-deps because they're not used by anything packaged in the archive; take a look at python3-rpi.gpio -- it's got almost zero rev-deps but it's used by *hundreds* of pi projects | 16:31 |
| utkarsh2102 | I'd still call it a transition, albeit a super small one! :) | 16:31 |
| kanashiro[m] | fair enough | 16:32 |
| waveform | heh -- it's one I'd always be super-careful of messing with because I know just how much "silently" depends on it outside of our archive | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | I'm ready to vote. | 16:33 |
| teward | no questions here, ready to vote as well | 16:33 |
| kanashiro[m] | me too | 16:33 |
| utkarsh2102 | sil2100:^ | 16:35 |
| sil2100 | No questions here! | 16:35 |
| chiluk | Are you folks voting for MOTU or Core Dev? As one of the few non-canonicalers, I see enough here that core dev should be on the table. | 16:35 |
| utkarsh2102 | are | 16:35 |
| utkarsh2102 | you | 16:35 |
| utkarsh2102 | ready | 16:35 |
| utkarsh2102 | to | 16:35 |
| utkarsh2102 | vote? | 16:35 |
| utkarsh2102 | okeydoke, awesome | 16:35 |
| teward | chiluk: unless they've requested Core Dev, MOTU | 16:36 |
| utkarsh2102 | #vote Dave Jones to get MOTU rights | 16:36 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Dave Jones to get MOTU rights | 16:36 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') | 16:36 |
| utkarsh2102 | #voters sil2100 kanashiro teward bdmurray utkarsh2102 | 16:37 |
| kanashiro[m] | +1 | 16:37 |
| meetingology | Warning: 'kanashiro' not in channel | 16:37 |
| utkarsh2102 | go, go, go | 16:37 |
| meetingology | Current voters: bdmurray, kanashiro, sil2100, teward, utkarsh2102 | 16:37 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 16:37 |
| meetingology | +1 received from sil2100 | 16:37 |
| bdmurray | +1 | 16:37 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdmurray | 16:37 |
| utkarsh2102 | +1; comments to follow | 16:38 |
| meetingology | +1; comments to follow received from utkarsh2102 | 16:38 |
| utkarsh2102 | comment: great work, waveform. I am sure you'll be an awesome MOTU but in case you have doubts or questions, please don't hesitate to ask - your colleagues or on IRC. With that, I'll let you celebrate, congratulations. :) | 16:39 |
| utkarsh2102 | teward:^^ | 16:39 |
| kanashiro[m] | waveform seems to me a cautious guy and I am not too worried about him messing the archive :) but feel free to ask when needed | 16:40 |
| utkarsh2102 | seconded! | 16:40 |
| waveform | woohoo! (and double woohoo for not getting core-dev thrust unwittingly upon me!) | 16:40 |
| chiluk | with great power yadda yadda.. | 16:41 |
| teward | i just had a network crash | 16:41 |
| teward | +1 | 16:41 |
| meetingology | +1 received from teward | 16:41 |
| * waveform tries not to cackle evily... | 16:41 | |
| utkarsh2102 | I am unsure whether to proceed or wait for teward. :) | 16:41 |
| utkarsh2102 | there :) | 16:41 |
| utkarsh2102 | #endvote | 16:42 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Dave Jones to get MOTU rights | 16:44 |
| meetingology | Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0 | 16:44 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 16:44 |
| teward | utkarsh2102: this was a 'network broke due to me kicking a cable, switching to mobile hotspot' situation ;() | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | #action utkarsh2102 to announce the successful application. \o/ | 16:44 |
| meetingology | ACTION: utkarsh2102 to announce the successful application. \o/ | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | ahahahaha | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | more coffee needed | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | moving on.. | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | #topic AOB | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | Vote on Proposal to change the maximum number of applicants per meeting. | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2022-September/002030.html | 16:44 |
| utkarsh2102 | should we just vote? or do we still need to discuss? | 16:44 |
| bdmurray | I didn't expand on my point that we take too long to evaluate candidates. | 16:44 |
| bdmurray | Given there aren't currently a plethora of candidates could we defer that vote? | 16:46 |
| utkarsh2102 | do you need more time to do that? should we vote on this the next time? | 16:46 |
| utkarsh2102 | yes! | 16:46 |
| utkarsh2102 | although it's trivial, but sure, we can absolutely defer | 16:46 |
| bdmurray | Yes, I'd like to try and write some words. | 16:46 |
| utkarsh2102 | okeydoke, sounds good! | 16:46 |
| utkarsh2102 | how to carry-over something? meh | 16:46 |
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