[02:44] <lotuspsychj3> good morning
[02:45] <cartdrige> heya
[02:45] <arraybolt3> Hey lotuspsychje imposter /s
[02:46] <cartdrige> You want a croissant or a doughnut for breakfeast? cause we have no more GNU sausages this morning.
[02:48] <lotuspsychj3> hey arraybolt3 cartdrige 
[02:48] <cartdrige> lotuspsychj3, there was a text processor names lotus back in the 80/90s IIRC, that's where your nick comes from?
[02:48] <lotuspsychj3> yeah viennoiserie is what my coffee needs
[02:48] <cartdrige> named*
[02:49] <cartdrige> lol
[02:49] <lotuspsychj3> no, i created it from 2 topics, lotus= budhism psychje= the digital age
[02:50] <cartdrige> Okay.
[02:51] <lotuspsychj3> the spreadsheet was lotus 1 2 3 right?
[02:54] <cartdrige> something like that right. It was a DOS program i think.
[02:54] <lotuspsychj3> never messed with it much
[02:54] <lotuspsychj3> my first was Geos
[02:57] <arraybolt3> Just got introduced to [this thing](https://www.iodd.shop/IODD-ST400-USB-30-External-Encrypted-Hard-Drive-Enclosure) by Eickmeyer, looks extremely cool.
[03:00] <daftykins> eeeeh
[15:35] <lotuspsychj3> https://9to5linux.com/firefox-107-is-now-available-for-download-with-power-profiling-on-linux-pcs-with-intel-cpus
[15:54] <lotuspsychj3> welcome bG9s 
[15:54] <bG9s> hallo, are Ubuntu snaps an alternative to the dockerization of apps?
[15:55] <bG9s> ty lotuspsychj3 
[15:57] <bG9s> and if relevant too, would snap, docker, and redhat flatpak basically achieve the same/similar desired goals but with some nuance to each?
[16:29] <tomreyn> bG9s: they share some features and semantics, but also have their own. none of them is a 1-to-1 replacement to the other. docker has much less in common with the other technologies, though. what's your goal?
[16:30] <bG9s> oh... to kinda guage a generic understanding of each at the moment
[16:30] <bG9s> #noGoals
[16:31] <bG9s> I don't know much of anything about any of them
[16:47] <tomreyn> this may well be worth changing
[17:05] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/blog/hold-your-horses-i-mean-snaps-new-feature-lets-you-stop-snap-updates-for-as-long-as-you-need
[17:05] <ogra> (for all the whiners that hink holding back updates of snaps forever is a good thing)
[17:06] <arraybolt3> ogra: Holy smoke, they did it!
[17:06] <arraybolt3> Hmph. Didn't see that coming.
[17:06] <ogra> been worked on since 2y 🙂 
[17:07] <arraybolt3> *Deep sigh of relief.* Of all the things in Snap that I was like "Well I get it but that's less than ideal", I think this was the biggest one.
[17:10]  * leftyfb raises hand   <~~ one of the whiners :)
[17:11] <ogra> heh
[17:11]  * ogra perfers that his packages get regular security updates without him having to bother about it 
[17:11] <arraybolt3> Me too, just not on a heavily metered connection or right in the middle of work, please!
[17:12] <arraybolt3> Now if they can just fix the "pending snap update of Firefox" problem so that it triggers the update when the user closes Firefox, that would be awesome. As it is, the user doesn't get the notice until it tries to update, and the next update attempt is in six hours or something crazy like that.
[17:13] <leftyfb> pushing out a broken version of lxd to over 100 customers at the same time, taking them all down. That's un-ideal as well
[17:13] <ogra> if you have a metered connection snap updates are auto-disabled ... 
[17:13] <ogra> pretty much since day one even
[17:13] <arraybolt3> Depends on if Ubuntu knows the connection is metered though.
[17:13] <ogra> (that indeed only works with the metered connection on your local machine)
[17:13] <arraybolt3> I mean how many of us with metered connections specifically go in and check a "This connection is metered" box? We just watch our data usage, right?
[17:14] <arraybolt3> At least that's what I did, and I've worked with some mighty metered connections before.
[17:14] <ogra> right, if you have a Pi with 4G/5G modem that also runs an AP that will not be recognized on your desktop
[17:14] <arraybolt3> My systems have never been able to auto-detect a metered connection.
[17:14] <ogra> for any 4G/5G local connections that checkbox is aut-checked
[17:15] <ogra> *auto
[17:15] <arraybolt3> (Though this was with various forms of hotspots.)
[17:15] <ogra> i.e. a laptop with builtin simcard slot 
[17:28] <leftyfb> ogra: did you have a role in implementing this feature?
[17:28] <ogra> nah, i'm only consumer of teh snap stuff nowadays 
[17:28] <ogra> i moved teams a few years ago 
[17:29] <ogra> (and my work focus is more on UbuntuCore than on application snaps nowadays (these i do in my spare time))
[17:30]  * leftyfb *cough* zoom *cough*
[17:31] <ogra> yeah ...
[17:31] <ogra> took a while to get that back on track ... but it is there now 
[17:32] <leftyfb> oooo, did I miss an update?
[17:32] <ogra> two already 
[17:33] <ogra> i announced it on all the forum.snapcraft.io pages that had complaints about it ... but not beyond this
[17:33] <leftyfb> sweet! thank you!
[17:34] <ogra> 😄
[17:35] <leftyfb> do you do one of these or anything? https://www.buymeacoffee.com/
[17:39] <ogra> hrm ... had a disconnect 
[17:54] <ogra> SIGH !
[17:58] <ogra> leftyfb, not sure what came through from me last, seems the ISP where i run my IRC proxy had an outage ... 
[17:59] <ogra> -> "lol, no, have never seen buymeacoffe before ... better come to the next Ubuntu Summit and have a beer with me in person 😉"
[17:59] <leftyfb> that never came through
[18:00] <leftyfb> depends on where the summit is. Unless it's in Boston again, I'll probably be unlikely to go
[18:00] <leftyfb> I think the last time it was in Boston was the only one I ever went to. 
[18:01] <leftyfb> not counting Canonical summits of course
[18:01] <ogra> last time was last week in prague
[18:01] <ogra> being the first community one after 10y
[18:01] <ogra> we'll have them annual from now on 
[18:02] <leftyfb> yeah, it was probably over 10 years ago since my last summit :)
[18:02] <ogra> not sure if we'll jump continents back and forth like we did in the past 
[18:02] <leftyfb> yep, USD Boston 2008
[18:02] <ogra> but if we do the next one is likely to be on the american continent
[18:02] <leftyfb> USD/UDS
[18:03] <ogra> more likely in canada though i guess (easier visa stuff for certain groups of people ... thanks to trump)
[18:03] <leftyfb> back then, the only reason it made any sense for me to go was because I was just starting to run the Ubuntu MA LoCo team and went with another developer. 
[18:03] <ogra> yeah, the new format is a bit different ... i.e. not that much roadmap planning and stuff
[18:04] <ogra> more fun and talks ...
[18:04] <ogra> ... and workshops
[18:06] <leftyfb> we had a release party for 8.04 back then at a local restaurant. We invited all of the Canonical folks who were in town. Jono a few others showed but did very little socializing with the rest of us. Had a couple drinks and they left. Was kinda bummed as I remember being very excited to chat with Jono about some community stuff
[18:07] <ogra>   heh ... jono ... rockstar ... with rockstar attitudes ... 
[18:07] <leftyfb> that's exactly how it was
[18:07] <ogra> our new community team is less shiny, but also way more open to people 
[18:08] <leftyfb> I certainly don't have the time for it these days anymore, but I do miss our community teams and the release parties and installfests we used to have. Those were the days
[18:09] <ogra> yeah, bits of it re coming back 
[18:09] <ogra> *are
[18:10] <ogra> LoCo teams are becoming active again ... summit is back ... mark actually invests a lot in the comunity again 
[18:11] <ogra> (he was also there the whole summit, roaming the corridors, open to speak to people)
[18:11] <leftyfb> I'll have to keep an eye on it
[21:58] <arraybolt3> Anyone here on KDE, you should try playing with virtual desktops. I've never used them before until just recently, now I'm hooked. I can leave an entire application set and setup on one virtual desktop, and then make an entirely different one on a different desktop. Lets me keep my browser, email, chats, etc. on one desktop and then put an entire Git-wrangling setup on another desktop. I
[21:58] <arraybolt3> can switch between them with one click. Amazingly handy.
[21:58] <arraybolt3> (I think GNOME has virtual desktops too, though I've not used them there except on accident :P)
[22:01] <daftykins> this on that super low res thing of yours? ;)
[22:03] <arraybolt3> I upgraded :)
[22:03] <arraybolt3> Went from a 3rd gen Intel Core i5 to 11th gen.
[22:03] <arraybolt3> It's one of these things: https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-xe.html Best laptop I have ever used, and I have used *a lot* of them.
[22:33] <daftykins> hmm never heard of them
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: Curious, what would it take to spread the word about Kubuntu Focus? I ask because 1) That's who I work for and 2) we're trying to fix that deficincy.
[23:32] <daftykins> well i'm non-US so it's probably not wholly useful, but i also wouldn't say i'm in the market for a Linux laptop
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> We ship worldwide, so that's not a factor.
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> And just... hypothetically, if you were.
[23:34] <daftykins> i live on an island that is often not even on country lists for shipping - or if it is, it's so prohibitively expensive i wouldn't even bother - soooo, probably still stands
[23:50] <enigma9o7> There are soooo many islands that describes.
[23:54] <daftykins> ok?
[23:56] <arraybolt3> It would be nice for KFocus to get more visibility. I mean, wow. I've seen and used a lot of laptops, including enterprise-quality systems - none of them are as good as this thing.
[23:57] <daftykins> what do you find good?
[23:59] <arraybolt3> Wow... raw speed, screen quality, backlit keyboard, keyboard quality, the SHOCKINGLY AWESOME operating system that comes pre-installed, low-footprint charger, privacy shutter on the webcam, USB 3 and USB-C ports, an Ethernet port, very good WiFi, lightning-fast SSD, dual fans so it can survive it when I hammer the system, and it just looks fancy. I'm sure I can think of other things but
[23:59] <arraybolt3> that's a good starting list.