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waveformutkarsh2102, bah -- knew I'd forgotten something09:14
utkarsh2102waveform: please do that now. :)09:14
waveformon it09:14
utkarsh2102don't announce that you already got it, hah09:15
waveformdone09:23
RikMillsnice email :D09:30
waveformI didn't give away the ending :)09:41
eslermo/15:01
cpaelzer_eslerm: I thnk you were half an hour early15:28
cpaelzer_we will start soon15:28
eslermI know :)15:28
cpaelzer_in that case you were well prepared :-)15:28
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eslermI hope so!15:29
cpaelzer#startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status15:30
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cpaelzerPing for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage15:30
slyono/15:30
cpaelzero/15:30
jamespageo/15:30
eslermo/15:30
eslerm(sarnold is out)15:30
joalifo/15:31
cpaelzerwelcome eslerm15:31
cpaelzer#topic current component mismatches15:31
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams15:31
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg15:31
eslermthanks :D15:31
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg15:31
cpaelzerlots of jdk things15:32
cpaelzerslyon: I expect that to be doko, or is this now within some dedicated team/people?15:32
slyoncpaelzer: yeah, lots of c-m in general. I investigated jdk a bit. seems to be mostly related to the -doc package, maybe we can demote that. I'll try to get it cleared with doko (he's off today)15:32
cpaelzeryes, if it really is a new -doc then add to extra excludes and be happy15:33
cpaelzernext I see is glm -> highlights-js15:33
joalifre glm->highlight.js I looked at it, glm pulls in highlight.js to enable syntax highlighting in a doc page15:33
joalifit comes from debian https://salsa.debian.org/science-team/glm/-/commit/72cedac91ede1eac284796a5e1e1dcd0effb630315:33
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Commit 72cedac in science-team/glm "d/rules: enable syntax highlighting in manual.html"15:33
cpaelzerglm itself is the mir team (not us, the Ui ones)15:33
joalifthe relevant upstream commit  https://github.com/g-truc/glm/pull/112015:33
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 1120 in g-truc/glm "docs(manual): some markdown fixes" [Merged]15:33
cpaelzerdoes anyone have connections to them to ask?15:34
didrocks(hey)15:34
cpaelzerhi didrocks15:34
cpaelzerhaving you here, do you still have connections to mir people?15:35
cpaelzerto ask how to deal with glm?15:35
slyonjoalif: I wonder what happens if highlight.js is not installed? seems like "just" the highlighting wouldn't work?15:35
slyonIn this case we might be able to drop it to a suggests..15:35
slyon(or rather the mir team should do this)15:35
cpaelzeryeah, I'm looking for someone to own this - no matter how exactly it will be resolved15:36
didrockswell, apart from RAOF, I don't, I can ping him, but he is kind of at the opposite side of the world :p15:36
joalifthat for sure, i'm not sure if it would impact the success of the build thoigh15:36
joalifi haven't checked15:36
joalifbecause it's used in debian/rules15:36
didrockslet me try to follow up with saviq at worst15:36
joalifhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5bQnDDfV/15:36
cpaelzerlet me ping on #ubuntu-release15:37
cpaelzerdone, let us continue15:37
cpaelzerpolicykit-1 -> duktape15:37
slyonjoalif: ack I saw that... maybe we need to update that snippet to fail gracefully in case highlight.js is not found in /usr/share/javascript/highlight.js/*15:38
cpaelzerthanks joalif and didrocks for getting glm analyzed and handled15:38
cpaelzerlast time we have seen policykit it was a false positive15:38
didrockscorrect15:38
cpaelzerdidrocks: do you want to look if this is one again?15:39
cpaelzerslyon: libnet-dns-perl is for foundations15:39
slyonif duktape is a false positive, we should add it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plzip/+bug/198066315:39
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1980663 in plzip (Ubuntu) "[MIR] false-positives, do not promote" [Undecided, Fix Released]15:39
slyonACK. I wasn't able to investigate any c-m besides jdk. but will take care of the foundations ones eventually15:40
cpaelzerok15:40
cpaelzerwow15:40
cpaelzerthere are more when we scroll right15:40
cpaelzerwell that is how opening the archive feels15:41
cpaelzerlibsoup3 -> sysprof15:41
cpaelzerdesktop package15:41
didrockscpaelzer: I will double check policykit again15:41
cpaelzerbut I guess libsoup could be anywhere15:41
cpaelzerlet me grab checking libsoup15:42
cpaelzeras the next is foundations again and I do not want to overload slyon15:42
cpaelzerslyon: nvme-cli15:42
slyonok15:42
cpaelzer-> libnvme libhugetlbfs15:42
cpaelzerfoundations has some items around nvme anyway15:43
cpaelzermaybe you can pass this item on to whoever owns these this cycle after you made an initial check what is going on15:43
cpaelzerlooks like a new major version15:43
slyonyes, I heard people talking about it in our standup today .)15:43
slyon:)15:43
cpaelzerok, chase them down :-P15:44
cpaelzerlooking at the clock15:44
cpaelzeroO15:44
cpaelzergoing on15:44
cpaelzer#topic New MIRs15:44
cpaelzerMission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing15:44
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:44
cpaelzereslerm: is here and smartcard is in this list15:44
cpaelzeroh I see15:44
cpaelzerso the decision was "no need for now"15:45
cpaelzerI've marked it incomplete15:45
cpaelzerotherwise it looks as if it would wait on us15:45
eslermnoted, thank you15:45
cpaelzerdh-cargo is back up here15:45
cpaelzerdidrocks: you look afte rcargo - right?15:45
didrocksyeah, cargo itself needed a second look15:45
didrocksit’s the next one on my list, I need to refresh my memory first15:46
cpaelzerok and dh-cargo - wasn't assigned last time15:46
cpaelzerprobably due to the sprint keeping all of us busy15:46
cpaelzeranyone always wanted to look at a dh tool?15:46
didrocksI think I can, but would not commit it for next week15:46
cpaelzerwell you have the other one15:46
cpaelzerlet me take it instead15:46
didrocksack then :)15:47
cpaelzerdh-cargo to me15:47
cpaelzerbut there is more15:47
cpaelzerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libheif/+bug/182744215:47
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1827442 in x265 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libheif" [Undecided, Incomplete]15:47
slyonthanks, I was hesitnat to take it due to being "foundations internal"15:47
cpaelzeragreed15:47
slyon^ this was brought up by steve the other day.15:47
eslerm(dh-cargo was part of LP#1957932)15:48
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1957932 in rustc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rustc, cargo, dh-cargo" [Critical, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195793215:48
cpaelzerbut he correctly said "probably want to have it updated using the new template in order to do a new review"15:48
cpaelzerI expect someone in foundations doing the mentioned update15:48
cpaelzerthen we assign it here for a review15:48
cpaelzerWDYT?15:48
slyonsounds good. I'll find somebody in foundations15:48
cpaelzerI updated the bug15:48
cpaelzeralso let them check if it is just heif or heif + the 265 libs15:49
cpaelzerthanks slyon15:49
cpaelzergogin on15:49
cpaelzer#topic Incomplete bugs / questions15:49
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams15:49
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:49
cpaelzerall from just now except ..15:50
cpaelzerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-eventmachine/+bug/199058015:50
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1990580 in ruby-eventmachine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Promote ruby-eventmachine to main as a pcs indirect dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete]15:50
cpaelzeris there something left for the server team?15:50
cpaelzerreading ...15:50
cpaelzerok, lucas waits for joalif to confirm " I hope the explanation above clarifies everything for you."15:51
cpaelzerdoes it @ joalif ?15:51
joalifsorry in other mtg at the same time15:52
joalifcan you repeat15:52
cpaelzerjoalif: did the answer on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-eventmachine/+bug/1990580 satisfy you15:52
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1990580 in ruby-eventmachine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Promote ruby-eventmachine to main as a pcs indirect dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete]15:52
joalifok i'll look at it in a bit15:52
cpaelzerIf it does, assign security as they will be next to process it15:53
cpaelzerif it does not - tell Lucas what is missing still15:53
cpaelzerupdated the bug to match that15:54
cpaelzer#topic MIR related Security Review Queue15:54
cpaelzerMission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?15:54
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:54
cpaelzerInternal link15:54
cpaelzer- ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect15:54
cpaelzer- ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much15:55
cpaelzer#link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/59415:55
cpaelzerand here we have eslerm stepping in for Seth for a while15:55
cpaelzerhe wanted to ask for new/other ways to express priorities - is that correct eslerm?15:55
cpaelzerthis is trhe moment to de-confuse all of us so we can agree on it :-)15:55
eslermduring the sprint the Security Team discussed how to become more consistent with our response time to MIRs15:55
eslermwe decided to write a status update each pulse (every two weeks) to update the MIR Team15:55
eslermI would like to publish the status report to a repo, but that will wait until Seth is back15:55
eslermI can email the status report to MIR Team members as well15:56
eslermthe reports cannot be public, as there could be sensitive information in them15:56
eslerme.g., there is a novel security disclosure in the initial report15:56
eslermOpen to questions, criticisms, and comments :)15:56
eslermthe initial report is in Seth's vacation email15:56
cpaelzerwill that replace https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 then ?15:56
cpaelzerthat was used to prioritize15:57
eslermno, we could integrate the two15:57
cpaelzeror will it only help to show your "answer" but not change any of your planning?15:57
eslermso that, everything pertinent is in jira but we would also have a higher level overview to put everything together15:57
cpaelzerIt sounds nice, but it also sounds complex15:58
cpaelzerif this costs you a lot of time, then I'd say do not do it15:58
cpaelzerif it helps you to organize yourself, then it is good15:58
slyonI feel like the level of detail from seth's email is not really needed at the MIR meeting15:58
slyonif so we could probably look it up in the jira card updates/comments?15:58
cpaelzeras a TL;DR the MIR team never cared too much "how" you do it - as long as we can insert bugs into your todo-queue and have a feeling on when they will complete15:58
slyon^ this.15:59
didrocksI agree with the point cpaelzer made15:59
cpaelzerI agree to slyon that the meeting does not need that detail15:59
cpaelzerthat detail goes to the MIR - bugs15:59
cpaelzerthat is the one place - one per case15:59
eslermokay, if it sounds good, I'll do the status report internally to get security on one page and then update jira cards that way15:59
cpaelzerthat sounds fine to me eslerm15:59
cpaelzeressentially it will stay an "implementation detail" of yours16:00
slyonyes it should end up in the MIR LP bug when finished. And if we need status updates, we could probably look at the jira card (e.g. "security team is working with upstream about XXX")16:00
cpaelzerif any of the things we know (lp bugs and to some extend that jira board to prioritize) will change let us know16:00
eslermokay, can do16:00
cpaelzerok, then let us do it this way16:01
cpaelzersummary: you do stuff, we are ok with it as nothing changes for us :-)16:01
eslerm+116:01
cpaelzerbut in any case, thanks for bringing it up and discussing it eslerm16:01
cpaelzerwhenever you want to change the process or anything related down the road, bring it up here as well16:01
cpaelzerif we pre-agree but it needs details it becomes a PR to the github repo16:02
eslermI have one question16:02
cpaelzernow going on16:02
cpaelzeroh well put that question into ...16:02
cpaelzer#topic Any other business?16:02
eslerma lot of the ruby packages are dependent on pcs, which Seth has a question to16:02
cpaelzeryeah, ask me eslerm16:02
cpaelzerkanashiro[m]: ^^ watch this16:02
eslermis it okay to set the priority of all those ruby packages to wishlist until pcs is resolved?16:03
cpaelzernot really, we need all of them to complete (we can only move it as one)16:03
cpaelzerif we set them all to wishlist then we will not make it in time16:03
cpaelzerbut I'm fine if you keep them all as high as PCS, but order it in PCS itself first - and if passed then do the rest16:04
eslermI mean, resolve Seth's question (not promote pcs first)16:04
cpaelzerbut I'm afraid if you mark them wishlist ever too many other things will slip in betwene16:04
cpaelzerwe already failed to promote it last cycle16:04
cpaelzerI'll be in well-earned trouble if we miss it again16:04
cpaelzereslerm: yeah, promote pcs first is not an option16:04
cpaelzeras I said they all belong together16:05
cpaelzerand are of high prio and importance16:05
cpaelzertowards 24.04 we need this transition early (hence we wanted 22.10 before) as SW using it will need to adapt16:05
cpaelzerand that kind of SW isn't the most trivial usually16:05
cpaelzerdid that solve the question eslerm?16:05
eslermokay, I'll do some more research. iirc, Seth was concerned that the codebase was moving to python16:05
cpaelzernot that I know16:06
eslermfor now yes :D16:06
eslermthank you16:06
cpaelzerok16:06
cpaelzeranyone else something to talk about?16:06
slyonnothing.16:06
cpaelzereslerm: and if the codebase moves we still would not have the time to wait16:06
cpaelzerwe would move with it when it does16:06
eslermunderstood16:06
cpaelzernothing else from me16:06
didrocksnothing either16:06
cpaelzerok that sounds good then16:06
slyonthanks cpaelzer, all!16:06
cpaelzerthanks and sorry for the long meeting16:06
cpaelzer#endmeeting16:07
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eslermo/16:07
didrocksthanks!16:07
joalifthanks cpaelzer all :)16:09
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rbasako/20:01
* vorlon waves20:01
vorlonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda says sil2100, cyphermox20:02
vorlonit also says Aug 30 :P20:02
cyphermoxhello20:05
vorloncyphermox: hi there!20:05
cyphermoxguess I'll chair20:05
vorlonthanks20:05
cyphermox#startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board20:06
meetingologyMeeting started at 20:06:20 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology20:06
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cyphermox#topic Action review20:06
cyphermoxthere's a lot of in-flight items; any of them saw traction recently?20:07
cyphermoxACTION: (everyone) review the Ubuntu Backports Team Charter for ratification20:07
rbasakI've made progress on the third party repo requirements, with alignment from the snap store team on the pieces that will require implementation from them.20:07
rbasakOn the backports charter I spoke to mapreri at the summit. But I probably need to follow up more with the backporters team on that topic20:07
cyphermoxok20:07
cyphermoxso that was the above and20:08
cyphermoxACTION: rbasak to finalize third-party seeded snap security policy20:08
cyphermoxright?20:08
rbasakYep20:08
cyphermoxcool20:08
cyphermoxACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.20:09
cyphermoxvorlon: still around?20:12
vorlonthat is largely subsumed by rbasak's action20:12
cyphermoxoops20:12
vorlonunless he says otherwise20:12
rbasakYeah, agreed.20:13
cyphermoxI will update the items accordingly :)20:13
rbasakMaybe we need to refactor all the outstanding agenda items that are intertwined20:13
cyphermoxyeah20:13
cyphermoxI will carry over sil2100's OEM archive item unless I missed something?20:13
cyphermoxACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification20:14
rbasakI've not tackled this yet - been focused on the other items.20:14
rbasakRight now attendence on the DMB is good, so that makes this less of a priority.20:14
cyphermoxagreed20:14
cyphermoxACTION: cyphermox to re-ping the CC regarding the TB nominations and election20:14
cyphermox^that was done, and I see a call for nominations 11 days ago20:15
cyphermoxand we still have this one:20:15
cyphermoxACTION: review Ubuntu Unity's official flavor proposal20:15
vorlonit wasn't immediately obvious to me which positions on the TB were up for re-election, is this full turnover?  I should figure out whether I need to nominate myself if I intend to continue to serve :)20:16
cyphermoxyeah I was going to do the same :)20:16
cyphermoxUnity> I think that's done, no?20:17
cyphermoxvorlon: confirmed, full turn-over20:17
vorloncyphermox: ack thanks20:17
cyphermoxrbasak: can I just remove your "definition of the third party repo policy" item from the agenda? and we work together a couple of minutes in the very near future to refactor the actions?20:19
vorlonUnity> well we released it so I guess so!  https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-unity/releases/kinetic/release/20:19
rbasakSure20:19
vorlon(unfortunate that the proposal is not linked in the agenda)20:19
cyphermoxvorlon: yeah, I assumed so to; just being extra verbose20:20
vorlonI don't remember when that item was added or whether we closed it out, unfortunately20:20
vorlonit's possible we released because things were on track but never had formal TB signoff20:20
cyphermoxI just could use some help refactoring the action items, seeing as I might have missed things that happened at the summit or internal to Canonical20:20
cyphermox#topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)20:21
rbasakI think we did close it out.20:21
vorlonI hear rs2009 made it to the Ubuntu Summit20:21
rbasakYes he was there.20:21
cyphermoxyes20:21
rbasakThe proposal got three votes on the ML20:21
vorlon#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUnity/22.10/Proposal20:21
vorlonfwiw20:21
cyphermoxgreat20:21
rbasakSo it was inferred approved I think, without anyone formally saying so.20:21
cyphermoxgood20:22
cyphermoxthere are no bugs open; whatever happened to the plan of moving to a separate project?20:22
rbasakI don't remember exactly. Didn't someone suggest something, we all thought it was a good idea, but nobody actually took an action to do it?20:23
vorlonsounds accurate20:23
cyphermox´yeah20:23
cyphermoxI will do the archaeology to pull up exactly what we had agreed to and do whatever I can to move it forward20:24
cyphermoxI will take the action20:24
vorlonthanks20:25
cyphermox#action  cyphermox to figure out next steps to improve  TB processes discussed in September?20:25
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox to figure out next steps to improve  TB processes discussed in September?20:25
cyphermox#topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)20:25
rbasakI don't see anything20:25
cyphermoxNotAutomatic?20:26
vorlonbtw I just noticed TB nominations close at EOD *this Thursday* so get your noms in :)20:26
* rbasak sent his self-nomination already20:26
vorlonNotAutomatic would be good to get consensus on but I think that's best done via the list20:26
cyphermoxI agree20:26
vorlonsince we need to make sure canonical's support team, etc. are happy with any changes20:26
cyphermoxalright20:27
cyphermox#Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)20:27
cyphermoxargh20:27
cyphermox#topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)20:27
cyphermoxthis is getting difficult. I'm next, I think? with rbasak backup?20:28
vorlonyou chaired now so you're off the hook for next20:28
vorlonshould be sil2100 primary, and rbasak backup20:28
cyphermoxalrighty20:28
cyphermox#topic AOB20:29
cyphermoxso cool, I'm triple-booked now20:29
cyphermoxany any other business?20:30
vorlonnot here!20:30
rbasakNone from me.20:30
rbasakThank you for chairing!20:30
cyphermoxthanks!20:30
vorlon^^20:30
cyphermox#endmeeting20:30
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vorlonside note I'll miss the next meeting due to some flip-flopping of my schedule but will be on track again for the next one after that20:31
cyphermoxwithout you do we even have quorum?20:31
vorlonsil2100 is probably back for the next one; he's off today20:32
rbasakI wouldn't worry too much about quorum. It's rare that we need a vote anyway.20:33

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