[18:17] <jrwren> man... i hate yaml.
[19:44] <llua> yaml is web scale tho
[19:56] <cmaloney> I'm actually writing an interactive storyworld using YAML as the configuration and encounter files.
[20:38] <jrwren> I'm so sorry.
[20:38] <jrwren> I spent hours earlier today trying to get yaml correct. I fall in to the 'never yaml' camp.
[20:51] <Mooncairn> Running into problems install Ubuntu 22.10. Started install process on a LVM LV, installer barfed as it tried to install Grub on LV. Given options to change boot device, manually install Grub, or cancel install. None of the three options worked. Had to power off computer.
[20:52] <Mooncairn> Boot into Debian and update-grub. Ubuntu is added to boot menu (yay!). Boot into Ubuntu. It's really slow (on a SSD). Wind up at an empty screen, but can switch to other VTs. No Wayland or X11.
[22:12] <Mooncairn> Any advice on how I can do a full Ubuntu install w/o taking the express option to nuke an entire drive's partition table? Doing otherwise currently appears to be a no-go.
[22:46] <cmaloney> I'd probably start with the Ubuntu Server stuff and then install ubuntu-desktop on top of it
[22:46] <cmaloney> that's how I usually install
[23:42] <Mooncairn> Dual-booting Debian and Ubuntu, even temporarily, looks like it may be a slightly painful.
[23:43] <Mooncairn> Debian's update-grub adds Ubuntu via os-prober, so kernel flags needed by Ubuntu don't get added.
[23:44] <Mooncairn> (As an aside, this was also responsible for the slow Ubuntu boot, due to all the console boot output since "quiet" wasn't passed to the kernel.)
[23:45] <Mooncairn> Generating a Grub config from Ubuntu gets what I'm assuming is a useful menu entry for Ubuntu, but again os-prober is called to find Debian. At least in this case the Debian menu entries look close to if not the same as what is generated from Debian.
[23:46] <Mooncairn> The really weird thing is that Ubuntu's update-grub *also* generates a whole host of Ubuntu 22.10 menu entries via os-prober. You'd end up with a bunch of redundant Ubuntu entries.
[23:48] <Mooncairn> So, yeah, Ubuntu Server install is up next, probably tomorrow.